Male genital jewlry ( Rings) [Archive]

David77

09-21-2005, 02:28 PM

Listed below, is a post I have previously made expressing my opinion.

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I very much dislike genital piercing, which to me is genital mutilation. I think revealing this unfortunate practice in naturist magazines would give a very bad impression to many persons, and would give suggestible persons an unfortunate idea to "mutilate" themselves.

I can tolerate casually seeing nipple piercing, eventhough, to me, it seems like a desecration and some mutilation of one's glorious, wonderful, even sacred body.

Seeing some miniture "barbells" sticking through these piercings, to me, is very unaesthetic (ugly), also.

I never liked seeing piercing in pictures of primitive tribes, and never in my wildest imagination, did I think that our culture would take up this primitive mutilation.

I hope primitive scarification does not become popular too.

I think that the very worst practice is displaying a metal piece in a piercing in the penis. Gross! Disrespectful of the body!

Sometimes I wonder if someone is trying to punish themselves (like flagulation) by abusing their body (penis). Maybe the Prince Albert penis wearers may not be the new acetic, self defacing persons, (like wearing sack cloth and ashes, or flagulating one's self) but may be gross "showoffs" and those bucking society.

Surely let the natural body radiate nude, in all it's glory, without all the defacing hardware or permanent ink on the body.

If one of our art models has hardware sticking out of his/her body (including through the female "genital hood") I feel like walking out and returning some other day when a completely natural looking model is there.

I would hope that most of us revere the body and would not want it altered unnecessarily.

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If a person wants to actually adorn the body, here are some "non-invasive" suggestions from what I have observed at resorts.

A male can put a (non-binding) gold band around his penis. (Guys, sorry, your old, unused wedding band will probably not fit on your penis. I suppose that you could take it to the jewelers and get the wedding band enlarged - and hope that the jeweler does not ask you to try it on).

A female can put removable gold bands (gold rings) around her nipples.

She can wear two or three jewels hanging on a short chain from her navel, if she knows of a non-invasive method to keep it attached to her navel.

She can wear a delicate ankle chain bracelet.

She can wear the somewhat popular larger gold link waist band.

Of course, anyone can wear a nice neckless,

and a fancy waterproof watch.

A narrow watchband could second as a woman's charm bracelet if some dangling (naturist) "charms" were affixed to it.

A non-permanent coloring can be used, if you must have temporary color.

This all said, l will certainly accept and honor anyone regardless of piercings, tatoos, etc.

namedun

09-21-2005, 02:54 PM

I don't care so much about "mutilation" in the social-disgust sort of sense, but I don't know why anyone would want to damage that apendige. Personally, I like having as much feeling as possible from there.

rascal56

09-21-2005, 03:02 PM

The topic was geared more towards rings that slip on or off. Not (Ouch) Piercings.

Croydon

09-21-2005, 03:21 PM

**** rings are not rings you put in your penis or rings you see on those who have genital piercings.

**** rings come in so many forms. Chrome, leather, rubber. Primarily, they are used to sustain erection but have seen many use it as jewlry. They can be as cheap as 5$ or as expensive as 100$.

For leather and rubber rings simply wrap the strap, if leather, around the penis and balls and snap. Chromes are steel and simply just slide around balls and penis.

KirkOntario

09-21-2005, 04:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rascal56:
Just wondering as I was visiting another sight and read about male c*** rings. who wears them,Why and what kind of material.
Just a thought
Rascal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

On a nude beach? Gays. Why? To attract attention. Why? Do you have to ask? It's not appropriate, akin to pulling out a vibrator in public. They are used to prolong sexual pleasure. They have no business in a nudist environment.

NudePete

09-21-2005, 05:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
On a nude beach? <snip> Why? To attract attention. Why? Do you have to ask? It's not appropriate, akin to pulling out a vibrator in public. They are used to prolong sexual pleasure. They have no business in a nudist environment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree 100%

However, people do wear them in (nude) public places. It is sending mixed messages to newbees who happen to be there at the same time. I hope and wish this fashon fad would quickly run it's course.
(25Sep2005 - edited quote slightly to clarify 100% support.)

need2Bnude

09-21-2005, 05:22 PM

I agree as well; Why wear a ring like that to a nude beach. Yes it will send a mixed message to newbies, and thats not good, what are we then encouraging the message of perversion? I have seen many with chrome c*** rings, O.k but what for? Thank God I haven't seen any leather or other than chrome out there, but I would think they are present at other beaches.
This is something I would'nt do or encourage for the mixed message it sends. Nudists have a difficult enough time just being accepted as nudists, adding jewelry can only hurt the way we are viewed.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudePete:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
On a nude beach? Gays. Why? To attract attention. Why? Do you have to ask? It's not appropriate, akin to pulling out a vibrator in public. They are used to prolong sexual pleasure. They have no business in a nudist environment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree 100%

However, people do wear them in (nude) public places. It is sending mixed messages to newbees who happen to be there at the same time. I hope and wish this fashon fad would quickly run it's course. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Michjoe

09-21-2005, 05:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">are we then encouraging the message of perversion? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No mixed message there.

Unwired

09-21-2005, 05:40 PM

When you speak of 'perversion', what exactly are you referring to?

GhostFreeHiker

09-21-2005, 05:51 PM

Yeah, remember to most of the world we as naturist/nudist are the perverts.

I do not have any piercings but I to shave and trim. It is less about drawing attention to my groin and more about my own personal body self-image. Piercings, hair styles and coloring, shaving/trimming, ear rings, painted finger nails, glasses/contacts, etc...they are just different ways for one person to live up to their own personal self-image.

Just because it is different does not mean it is wrong.

Croydon

09-21-2005, 05:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rascal56:
Just wondering as I was visiting another sight and read about male c*** rings. who wears them,Why and what kind of material.
Just a thought
Rascal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

On a nude beach? Gays. Why? To attract attention. Why? Do you have to ask? It's not appropriate, akin to pulling out a vibrator in public. They are used to prolong sexual pleasure. They have no business in a nudist environment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
EXCUSE ME? EXCUSE ME?

How did you come to conclusion that it is gays who wear the ring? It is so easy to point fingers at gays isn't it? Let's blame gays for everything huh? Katrina, 9/11, or may even the school masacre that occured in Russia last year.

Your statement is truly ignorant. You are overgeneralizing. Are you sire you are not related to MikeJB?

Post like this is reason why I left INA for months and contribute very little to this forum.

FYI, there are many uses to these rings and furthermore, I have seen MANY stra8 men wear them.

KirkOntario

09-21-2005, 06:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Croydon:
How did you come to conclusion that it is gays who wear the ring? It is so easy to point fingers at gays isn't it? FYI, there are many uses to these rings and furthermore, I have seen MANY stra8 men wear them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many uses to these rings? I guess you think it appropriate to wear them. I don't. It gives the wrong impression and families with children attend these beaches. The nude beaches I have been to have a gay section as is common. This is where you see them worn. These rings are common in that community.

Unwired

09-21-2005, 06:43 PM

Kirk: consider yourself on strike 2. Make one more statement about gay culture or sexuality and you will be banned from this forum until further notice.

DeathKnight

09-21-2005, 06:47 PM

I don't like genital piercing. Something about it is unappealing to me.

Journeyman

09-21-2005, 06:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
Many uses to these rings? I guess you think it appropriate to wear them. I don't. It gives the wrong impression and families with children attend these beaches. The nude beaches I have been to have a gay section as is common. This is where you see them worn. These rings are common in that community. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's pretty amazing that a presumably heterosexual naturist (above) has spent so much time in the gay sections of naturist beaches, worldwide, that he can make a blanket statement about what is common in a "community".

Funny that in all the nude beaches I have visited in 10 years -- on 4 continents and with gay and straight areas -- I still haven't seen one. I guess I wasn't looking closely enough. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DoctorSurferDude

09-21-2005, 07:08 PM

Peircings always come with the risk of infection....for more reasons that just that, I don't think a toothpick in the sausage is for me, although that one reason would suffice.

Also...I always wondered about increases in urinary tract infections, STD's and unwanted pregnancies...the concept of condoms kind of goes out the window when you introduce a metal object into the mix.

Another thought....it is a bit of a luxury of this antibiotic era. I'll stand corrected if I mis-speak, but does anybody know of any old tribes or cultures that practiced a mid-meatus penile peircing? (through the pee tube)

Anyways....I think it's ok to question, but it's NOT OK to pass judgement or group together individuals and make generalizations. Social acceptability is a dictatorship that keeps a lot of us in the closet and afraid to speak openly about nudism....it's a bit unfair of us if we are playing the same game, isn't it? We don't forbid nudists to arrive at a resort in a shiny red Ferarri, or to decorate their bodies with tattoos, or shave for that matter. So why should we come down so hard on people who made a choice to peirce the "softer side of sears"?

Then again.....there needs to be balance and discretion. Indeed this particular peircing is a bit "attention oriented" which is the job of most peircings, except these are drawing attention to the genitals....it's just what they do. SOoooo, I think it's very important for the people who are peirced to consider the environment that they are in. Somebody mentioned that there are many shapes and sizes and colors of rings/studs to use. Why not choose the least flashy of them all? Choose something small, not flashy, maybe not even shiny...something easily missed. Until there is universal acceptance of genital peircing as an unassuming option, it would be wise for those who have this done to be discreet in their display of IT.

Boreas

09-21-2005, 07:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Journeyman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
Many uses to these rings? I guess you think it appropriate to wear them. I don't. It gives the wrong impression and families with children attend these beaches. The nude beaches I have been to have a gay section as is common. This is where you see them worn. These rings are common in that community. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's pretty amazing that a presumably heterosexual naturist (above) has spent so much time in the gay sections of naturist beaches, worldwide, that he can make a blanket statement about what is common in a "community".

Funny that in all the nude beaches I have visited in 10 years -- on 4 continents and with gay and straight areas -- I still haven't seen one. I guess I wasn't looking closely enough. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmm suspicious isn't it. Thank you for being so articulate!

09-21-2005, 07:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DoctorSurferDude:

Then again.....there needs to be balance and discretion. Indeed this particular peircing is a bit "attention oriented" which is the job of most peircings, except these are drawing attention to the genitals....it's just what they do. SOoooo, I think it's very important for the people who are peirced to consider the environment that they are in. Somebody mentioned that there are many shapes and sizes and colors of rings/studs to use. Why not choose the least flashy of them all? Choose something small, not flashy, maybe not even shiny...something easily missed. Until there is universal acceptance of genital peircing as an unassuming option, it would be wise for those who have this done to be discreet in their display of IT. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What is wrong with drawing attention to it? Should we ban earrings so we don't draw attention to ears? Don't you think tatoos draw your eye to them?

It's just another body part, so what, it's got a ring in it.

Dustin S

09-21-2005, 07:50 PM

Question: What exactly is it that gets pierced? I'm guessing at the base where the penis meets the sack?

PaulC

09-21-2005, 08:04 PM

Trailscout

09-21-2005, 08:14 PM

Kirk's comment's on the rings don't seem to be unfair to anyone, nor was he out of line to say that as a casual observer, he saw this device on a certain segment of the population.

These rings are vulgar and should be banned. Anything that provides a constant erection is probably illegal already.

Unwired

09-21-2005, 08:25 PM

Kirk's comments are merely the latest in a series of sweeping generalizations he has made regarding the gay community. That's no longer going to fly here.

This thread is about genital rings. If you like them, fine. If you dislike them, fine. Leave sexual orientation out of it.

Trailscout

09-21-2005, 08:29 PM

If generalizations weren't so dusty, maybe people like Kirk wouldn't be tempted to sweep them!

Trailscout

09-21-2005, 08:34 PM

As for the penis rings, they are not necessarily very noticeable in themselves. The problem seems to be that the wearer is likely to have a sustained erection on a public beach and regardless of the cause (masturbation or a penis ring) erections are unwelcome in nudist settings and certainly any other public place.

And as I said, public erections are illegal in many areas.

DoctorSurferDude

09-21-2005, 08:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:

What is wrong with drawing attention to it? Should we ban earrings so we don't draw attention to ears? Don't you think tatoos draw your eye to them?

It's just another body part, so what, it's got a ring in it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you miss the part about "discretion" and a lack of "universal acceptance"?

I mean...your logic is sound, but I think you missed the point I was trying to make. You can't force people to accept something they aren't ready for....and the response to this topic seems to indicate that most people are not ready for it quite yet. So my advice is to lay low and be subtle with it....time will breed acceptance.

Remember when belly button peircings were "taboo"? And shaving genitals was considered obscene?

Patience. Discretion.

09-21-2005, 09:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DoctorSurferDude:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:

What is wrong with drawing attention to it? Should we ban earrings so we don't draw attention to ears? Don't you think tatoos draw your eye to them?

It's just another body part, so what, it's got a ring in it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you miss the part about "discretion" and a lack of "universal acceptance"?

I mean...your logic is sound, but I think you missed the point I was trying to make. You can't force people to accept something they aren't ready for....and the response to this topic seems to indicate that most people are not ready for it quite yet. So my advice is to lay low and be subtle with it....time will breed acceptance.

Remember when belly button peircings were "taboo"? And shaving genitals was considered obscene?

Patience. Discretion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't force people to accept nudism either but it doesn't stop us from hitting Haulover on a weekend.

Tonight I was at work and waited on a couple who had a lot of face piercings. It was not discrete at all, it was right "in your face" (LOL). He even had a huge half ring through his nose. I thought about how it's really no big deal anymore seeing facial piercings. You know why? Because the more you see them the less they seem out of the ordinary. After awhile it's just mainstream. How ready do you think the general public was to see an eyebrow piercing? Or hot pink hair?

It's the same with genital piercing. Some people might be uncomfortable a little the first time they see it. Most won't care. The more you see them the less they seem out of the ordinary. That is how you get universal acceptance, not by preventing them from being seen, not by outlawing them.

However, what I asked was why you feel it's wrong to draw attention to a penis. I didn't specify how that had to happen.

rascal56

09-21-2005, 11:37 PM

Yikes!!
Nice for eveyone to respond.BUT!!! I never mentioned or meant piercings or sexual preferences. On Netnude the forums had a string regarding rings for esthetic or decoration. There was talk of types,material and when they were worn. I don't wear one but I have seen them at Playalinda ( rare).I was curious if any in this group did.

Sauna

09-22-2005, 03:39 AM

I visited a German spa and there were all genital piercings banned for hygienical reasons. Entire spa was nudist area.

Jeff Brooks

09-22-2005, 04:21 AM

I am not into it but a buddy told me that while he was working and clothed. He is a salesman. That while he was waiting for the owner of a salon to get free while standing in the lobby he heard something ting and go rolling across the floor. It seems his genital ring had fallen off fell down his pants leg. He said he was sooooooooo embrassed but nobody knew the wiser. I thought they fit tighter than that?

J

Croydon

09-22-2005, 04:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trailscout:
Kirk's comment's on the rings don't seem to be unfair to anyone, nor was he out of line to say that as a casual observer, he saw this device on a certain segment of the population.

These rings are vulgar and should be banned. Anything that provides a constant erection is probably illegal already. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OF COURSE you do not think Kirk's comment is out of line/unfair. I would be SHOCKED if you did, even more shocked if you had an ounce of openness in your body.

OF COURSE you do not find Kirk's comment unfair, after all, you are Pat Robertson's son once removed.

Croydon

09-22-2005, 04:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unwired:
Kirk: consider yourself on strike 2. Make one more statement about gay culture or sexuality and you will be banned from this forum until further notice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's just skip the strikes and ban the fool. Saves us the trouble

nudenwv

09-22-2005, 04:50 AM

well guys and gals i do have a ring and wear it often. it is made of silicon and streches so it's easy to put on. these have been used as a device for the male if he had erection problems. although i have no problem i wear it for personal look only. i don't wear it when visiting lodges as some don't allow it. the smoothness of my skin allows easy on and off - no pulling hairs. i personally think they look nice just as other jewerly does.

09-22-2005, 05:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by need2Bnude:
I agree as well; Why wear a ring like that to a nude beach. Yes it will send a mixed message to newbies, and thats not good, what are we then encouraging the message of perversion? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A mixed message about what? That some people like to wear jewelry?

What is a perversion? The only time I see that used is by someone who doesn't understand sexuality and feel that anything outside of basic missionary sex by male and female is wrong. It is such a bigotted term!

09-22-2005, 05:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by keith bricker:
well guys and gals i do have a ring and wear it often. it is made of silicon and streches so it's easy to put on. these have been used as a device for the male if he had erection problems. although i have no problem i wear it for personal look only. i don't wear it when visiting lodges as some don't allow it. the smoothness of my skin allows easy on and off - no pulling hairs. i personally think they look nice just as other jewerly does. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good for you keith! It's just jewelry people!

Naked_Justin

09-22-2005, 05:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jeff Brooks:
I am not into it but a buddy told me that while he was working and clothed. He is a salesman. That while he was waiting for the owner of a salon to get free while standing in the lobby he heard something ting and go rolling across the floor. It seems his genital ring had fallen off fell down his pants leg. He said he was sooooooooo embrassed but nobody knew the wiser. I thought they fit tighter than that?

J </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This isn't true for every man, but for me, the "relaxedness" of my penis and testicles varies wildly from hour to hour or even minute to minute.
The scrotum can hang low, or pull up very tight.
No ring for either the penis alone, or the penis and testicles together, can "handle" both extremes.
Therefore, one tight enough to never fall off, would be tremendously painful as circumstances change.

Also, for the more well endowed men, whose penis and testicles always hang low, they could wear a full c**kring and have it be less noticeable than those of us with smaller equipment.
Guys of "tighter" structure will have their equipment pulled up causing parts to point out.
Loose guys can wear them without the same protruding effect.

Also, there are rings made out of pretty much anything you can imagine, including clear acrylic. It's the same for piercings.
Obviously, they would be less...obvious.

Are rings and piercings used to accentuate the genitals?
Sure.
But, then again, so are rings for fingers and toes; bracelets, anklets, and necklaces; and ear, nose, lip, and eyebrow piercings.

That doesn't make it inherently wrong, or right. It just makes them a fact of life.

Were my genitals more acceptable to wearing such rings, would I? I don't know.

Do I have any interest in getting any part of my body pierced?
No.

Justin

PascoDoug

09-22-2005, 08:38 AM

I have nothing against piercings tho I would never want one myself. I really do believe that individuals should be free to adorn their bodies however they see fit.

However I also believe that private business, nudist resorts, etc should be free to set whatever limitations (except racist, etc) they deem appropriate on those who wish to enter their premises. Some restaurants require a suit and tie to be let in. Some businesses have a sign that reads "No shirt, no shoes, no service".

And if you come in my home, you will not be allowed to smoke.

The concept is the same.

Atlanta Runner

09-22-2005, 11:44 AM

Does anyone know from an anthropology or archiologically sense the history of these types of things. My limited education in this area has lead me to think that people have adorned their bodies with jewlery, tattoos and piercings since very early on and that this is not any sort of recent fad or trend.

I am not arguing any position one way or another but I think people need to consider that fact too before they dispell it as revolting or some sort of fad.

David77

09-22-2005, 06:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Does anyone know from an anthropology or archiologically sense the history of these types of things. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about these examples of body modifications, thinking that it made them more attractive;

1. Some women in some tribes put successive rings around their neck to make their neck longer.
2. Some put blocks in their lips and/or ears to enlarge them.
3. Chinese women bound their feet to make them smaller.
4. Tribal men put long "cones" on their penis to look longer.
5. Scarification (making scars by cutting) of the skin.
6. Some American Indians tied a board on the back of their babies head to make their head grow more to a point.
7. We all know about the "hour glass look" that our great grandmothers aspired to, by wearing a corset and pulling it as tight in the middle as possible, to make their waist-line smaller and look more feminine.
8. Rather tight pants of the men during the middle ages were equipped with a "cod piece" at their genital area which they stuffed with straw to make their genital bulge larger.
9. Women wore bustles to make their rear end larger.
10. Later, women wore girdles to make their hips and butt look smaller.
11. Shoulder pads were sewn inside mens jackets to make their shoulders look more masculine.
12. Women had the padded bra and the "uplift bra" to make their breasts more prominent.
13. Women in the "roaring twenties" wore sheath dresses to flatten out thier curves, to get the boyish look.
14. Lipstick is put on the lips and rouge is put on the cheeks to simulate fertile women in a sexual state of being, so some anthropologists believe.(This latter is open more to question).
15. Women wear high heals to make their legs look longer, sexier.
16. Maybe the most profound body modification is the "gender reassignment" operation (sex change operation) but this is not for purposes of beautification but for very personal, psychological satisfaction.

Now we have gone back to piercing! How unnatural of we Naturists.

Thankfully the healthy look of a well exercised body is, sort of, in fashion now.

Dolby

09-22-2005, 08:57 PM

Cyndiannaked,

While facial piercings are more common, I'm not so sure they're accepted everywhere. Show up at most job interviews with a facial piercing and you can forget about getting the job. Also, many places ban facial piercings in their professional dress codes.

PascoDoug

09-22-2005, 09:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dolby:
Cyndiannaked,While facial piercings are more common, I'm not so sure they're accepted everywhere. Show up at most job interviews with a facial piercing and you can forget about getting the job. Also, many places ban facial piercings in their professional dress codes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"And the sign said 'long-haired freaky people need not apply.' So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why.."

"He said, 'you look like a fine upstanding young man, I think that you will do!'"

"So I took off my hat, and said imagine that, huh? Me working for you!"

Oh the times, they are a changin' http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Duneman

09-23-2005, 02:47 AM

Why are just males singled out on this topic?

I really don't understand all the mixed feelings on this topic. While I wouldn't do many of the things I've seen to my body, I think it's great how some people express themselves by way of body decorations etc.

A male nudist friend of mine thinks that guys shaving their pubic area is perverted, yet his wife is shaved, and my friend even shaves his head!
Are we supposed to set up some rules that nudists have to follow, what they can and cannot do to their bodies?
Who are we to say that genital jewelery isn't acceptable?

As long as individuals behave appropriately then just enjoy, and be shocked sometimes! It's all part of the human mix isn't it?

Duneman

09-23-2005, 03:03 AM

Trailscout

09-23-2005, 04:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atlanta Runner:
Does anyone know from an anthropology or archiologically sense the history of these types of things. My limited education in this area has lead me to think that people have adorned their bodies with jewlery, tattoos and piercings since very early on and that this is not any sort of recent fad or trend.

I am not arguing any position one way or another but I think people need to consider that fact too before they dispell it as revolting or some sort of fad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Humans have worn clothing for thousands of years for decorative purposes.

Then along came a movement that said that the nude human body is good and beautiful with nothing on it. For the better part of a century, nudists have lived out that creed and the photo evidence is there to prove it.

One other community has placed total unadorned nudity on a pedestel: the artistic community. Since the time of the ancient Greeks, the nude human form has been seen as the ideal.

For this reason, many nudists continue to urge others to affirm the goodness of the body without clothing, untouched by tattoos, unscarred, and not punctured with metal decorations. Those of us who feel this way, naturally do not pierce, tattoo, scar or clothe our bodies, after all they are at their best with nothing added!

BackpackerBrian

09-23-2005, 06:45 AM

Very interesting posts you all have here. I belive this post started out talking about C***rings, and then we added the piercing subject too.

As far as piercings go, I am not for banning them from the clubs/camps. I have met many really nice males and females with genital piercings. I do however think that the jewelry is there to make the genitals more noticeable and draw attention to them. Personally I don't think that's what nudism is about. But to each his/her own. I'd hope they would lkearn to use discretion over time.

As far as c***rings go, that's even a touchier subject, as far as I am concerned. These rings were created to keep blood in the penis, and to enhance sexual pleasure. A guy wearing a ring at a club or beach is absoultely unacceptable.

I'd like to hope that at our beaches and clubs we will promote an atmosphere that encourages BALANCE and focuses on people, not their genitals.

David77

09-23-2005, 07:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BackpackerBrian:
As far as c***rings go, that's even a touchier subject, as far as I am concerned. These rings were created to keep blood in the penis, and to enhance sexual pleasure. A guy wearing a ring at a club or beach is absoultely unacceptable.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well stated. I agree.

09-23-2005, 09:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BackpackerBrian:

As far as piercings go, I am not for banning them from the clubs/camps. I have met many really nice males and females with genital piercings. I do however think that the jewelry is there to make the genitals more noticeable and draw attention to them. Personally I don't think that's what nudism is about. But to each his/her own. I'd hope they would lkearn to use discretion over time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? I think if we can decorate any other body part why not this part?<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

As far as c***rings go, that's even a touchier subject, as far as I am concerned. These rings were created to keep blood in the penis, and to enhance sexual pleasure. A guy wearing a ring at a club or beach is absoultely unacceptable.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some are created to help keep blood in the penis but some are created just as jewelry and don't have the other function at all. Why would that be unacceptable?

I keep seeing posts that attribute sexual function to the jewelry when some times that isn't the reality. Why can't it just be jewelry? What is wrong with adorning a penis as you would rings on your fingers? What if it were painted?

Maybe we need to have the people who see genital jewelry as sexual only get their minds out of the gutter, just as nudists would like textiles to get their minds out of the gutter.

need2Bnude

09-23-2005, 10:18 AM

Cyndia, maybe new nudists are still very unfamiliar with the etiquette of the nudists life. Maybe they come from a background where these things are seen as perversion; until its expained to them what its function would be. (the rings) Why attack what is said, why not try to understand. It so that you can see the point of view?Keep your attacks to yourself there getting old.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by need2Bnude:
I agree as well; Why wear a ring like that to a nude beach. Yes it will send a mixed message to newbies, and thats not good, what are we then encouraging the message of perversion? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A mixed message about what? That some people like to wear jewelry?

What is a perversion? The only time I see that used is by someone who doesn't understand sexuality and feel that anything outside of basic missionary sex by male and female is wrong. It is such a bigotted term! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

09-23-2005, 10:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by need2Bnude:
Cyndia, maybe new nudists are still very unfamiliar with the etiquette of the nudists life. Maybe they come from a background where these things are seen as perversion; until its expained to them what its function would be. (the rings) Why attack what is said, why not try to understand. It so that you can see the point of view?Keep your attacks to yourself there getting old. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What attacks? There are none. You need to stop attacking me just for having a different point of view than you.

Anyone that uses the word perversion most likely won't be a nudist anyway because they'd consider mere nudity a perversion too. It's a word that really has no place in the real world. It's used to disguise a lack of knowledge about the human body, it's functions and sexuality.

And how do you learn about nudist ettiquette? Not by hiding anything but by experiencing and seeing and asking questions.

How do you learn that genital jewelry is harmless? By seeing it and meeting the nice people that are attached to the jewelry.

You can't become accustomed to something you aren't exposed to.

EricNY

09-23-2005, 10:28 AM

Ahem...Lets not start fighting or someone will have to sit between you...everyone has different views...Thats what makes a good conversation. If everyone thought the same it would be a very short very boring thread.

I do not see an attack here carry on http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

09-23-2005, 10:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ercNY:

I do not see an attack here carry on http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you!

09-23-2005, 11:01 AM

Here is a little story about one nudist imposing their "values" on the rest. This is no different than telling others what jewelry to wear.

Names have been changed to Protect the pompous and ignorant.

I thought I would mention this thing that has always bothered me.
The Morality Police.
I was at a Nudist place with my family and my daughter scraped her
knee, she came to me in tears.
I took her on my lap and checked the minor scrape and was comforting
her when another gentlemen walked up and warned me that I should move
my daughter off my lap to another chair before "Mabel" showed up.
I settled my daughter on a chair and asked who "Mabel" was and he
informed me that she was a older lady who took it upon herself to
"Protect" the Nudist Lifestyle from the "Perverts".
He explained that she would patrol the park and call the Police
whenever she saw something that she considered to be "Pervert
behavior".
He said that she had already reported several people for doing just
what I had been doing, holding a child on my lap or hugging someone
because (according to her) "our genitals may touch and that is
sex/incest".
He said that she would call the Police not talk to the Management
because according to her the management would do nothing.
He also said that as far as he knew all charges had been dropped on the
reports she made.
By this time my daughter had run back to play and "Jim" pointed out
to me a lady who looked to be in her 50's or 60's walking into the
area wearing a "N" visor and a fanny pack with a cellphone clipped
on it and an expression like someone who had tasted something nasty.
I've gone back to this place several times, but I've gotten in the
habit of asking to see if "Mabel" is there and the staff never seem
surprised that I ask.
Nobody asked her to "Police" our Lifestyle and especially not to
inflict her own values upon others as the model for the nudist
lifestyle.

PascoDoug

09-23-2005, 11:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by need2Bnude:
Cyndia, maybe new nudists are still very unfamiliar with the etiquette of the nudists life. Maybe they come from a background where these things are seen as perversion; until its expained to them what its function would be. (the rings) Why attack what is said, why not try to understand. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In my experience, if someone considers something a "perversion", there is no amount of explaining one can do that will change their minds.

It is a strongly ingrained concept that is mostly held by intolerant, fanatical types who very set in their ways, and who are intolerant of other lifestyles, cultures and ideas to being with. It is the way they were raised and difficult if not impossible to break.

Fortunately, most nudists - who are typically open minded to being with, generally don't fit that mindset and do not see piercings as perverted but just inappropriate in certain settings. There's nothing wrong with that.

need2Bnude

09-23-2005, 11:05 AM

Yeah sure O.K.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ercNY:

I do not see an attack here carry on http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

EricNY

09-23-2005, 11:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
Here is a little story about one nudist imposing their "values" on the rest. This is no different than telling others what jewelry to wear.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know what? If not for the fact that the moral of the story is so sad...it is actually kind of funny. Especially the description of "Mabel" I think I know her...LOL

PascoDoug

09-23-2005, 11:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
Here is a little story about one nudist imposing their "values" on the rest. This is no different than telling others what jewelry to wear.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The real question is did the club management take the reports by this "Mabel" seriously or did they think she was a pain in the rear end as well? Sounds like someone just needs to confront her and put her in her place. One member doesn't have the right to dictate what is appropriate or not for the club.

PascoDoug

09-23-2005, 11:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ercNY:
You know what? If not for the fact that the moral of the story is so sad...it is actually kind of funny. Especially the description of "Mabel" I think I know her...LOL </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree - reminds me of the nosy neighbor lady on the old TV show "Bewitched" who was always spying on the Stevens' house and calling the police. Forget her name...

EricNY

09-23-2005, 11:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PascoDoug:
I agree - reminds me of the nosy neighbor lady on the old TV show "Bewitched" who was always spying on the Stevens' house and calling the police. Forget her name... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be Gladys Kravitz.....I thought she was great

sknny_dipper

09-23-2005, 12:18 PM

I do not have any tatoos or piercing, personally I don't see the point in them nor, like them. In saying that I have never read such a load of self righteous blatent bigotery, from so called naturists. Live and let live.

(post modified ercNY)

EricNY

09-23-2005, 12:25 PM

uhhh not sure wher that came from, but I think you could tone it down a little.

(I modified your post slightly)

sknny_dipper

09-23-2005, 12:39 PM

modified for what?

EricNY

09-23-2005, 12:49 PM

I will not discuss that here, I sent an explanation via PM

PascoDoug

09-23-2005, 01:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ercNY:
I will not discuss that here, I sent an explanation via PM </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good job http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

soundman

09-23-2005, 01:51 PM

EricNY

09-23-2005, 02:01 PM

Soundman,

For a long time I would have agreed with that, but as of late I have found it to be so common and harmless that I have changed my tune.

Although I will never have one myself (never say never) I have come to gips that everyone is entitled to his or her freedom of expression. As long as it does not harm others or infringe on their rights then do what you will.

The only thing i am still a little on the fence about is the use of the rings that started this topic. I still see it as they are of a sexual nature (at least my understanding for why they are sold) so why wear one at other times.

But my mind will remain open and I am willing to accept the veiws of others until my mind is made up.

Baron Lake

09-23-2005, 02:20 PM

Ignorance and intolerance. More closely related than just their locations in the dictionary.
b.l.

Dustin S

09-23-2005, 03:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiann

I keep seeing posts that attribute sexual function to the jewelry when some times that isn't the reality.

<snip>

Maybe we need to have the people who see genital jewelry as sexual only get their minds out of the gutter, just as nudists would like textiles to get their minds out of the gutter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, but I find this amusing. Many people consider nudism as sexual when it is not. Here we have nudist debating whether jewelry is sexual or not. Ah, the irony. Lol!

I’ve never seen anyone with genital jewelry (have met people who claim to wear it) so honestly don’t know enough to discuss it. I have talked with a friend of mine about c**k rings. IMO they are used to increase sexual pleasure so this type of ring to me would be inappropriate for a nudist camp. Non-sexual rings I’m unsure about.

Genital jewelry to me seems odd when worn by nudist, but having never been around a nudist I wouldn’t know. Realize that the only people I have met who have claimed to wear genital jewelry are textiles, so it is hard to see it as not being sexual.

09-23-2005, 04:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by soundman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dolby:
Cyndiannaked,

While facial piercings are more common, I'm not so sure they're accepted everywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never said they were accepted everywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then why should piercings be accepted everywhere with nudists also? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dunno, ask someone who feels they should be accepted everywhere. I never mentioned that (for the second time). I was talking about it becoming more mainstream which is not the same.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

Newcomers might accept nudism easier if it doesn't go hand in hand with piercing everywhere. Why not just stick with nudity as the theme of nudist events without adding other alternate lifestyles that are hard to sell? Pretty soon we will have people hanging from the trees with piecings attached to all different body parts. Great for families, right! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet newcomers would accept us easier if we put clothes on too. Nudists belong to all other groups on the planet, alternative or not and it shouldn't be relevant to their practice of nudism. I really don't know what genital jewelry has to do with alternative lifestyles. They really aren't linked. Some people think they are is all.

Many people with piercings have families. Again, I don't know how this relates to what I originally said. Wearing genital jewelry has nothing to do with being a family or being around a family no more than wearing any other jewelry would be.

David77

09-23-2005, 06:44 PM

I was at a resort last year and saw a man with a gold ring, like a larger wedding band, around his penis. Yes, it unoubtedly made people notice his penis more, but it is not immoral to notice this man's penis. Neither should it be any different, essentially, than viewing the wedding band on his finger, in my opinion.

If he wants to celebrate by putting this nice gold ring on his penis, he is not necessarily being a sexual exhibitionist, by seemingly celebrating his manhood.

We all appreciate our bodies (hopefully). His wife had gold rings around her nipples, and it was rather nice, I thought. Neither act damaged or violated their own "sacred" flesh, derma, body's surface, nor did it irrevocably scar their personal "holy temple", their body, a gift to them for good care.

PascoDoug

09-23-2005, 07:13 PM

Would you be OK with this guy showing up at your local resort? How would you feel about your kids seeing him? Should we just accept him for who he is and ignore the "decorations"?

How would you react if you met him?

Please note I'm asking these questions in a neutral sense, to promote discussion and get opinions. No flamewar please http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

soundman

09-23-2005, 07:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by soundman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dolby:
Cyndiannaked,

While facial piercings are more common, I'm not so sure they're accepted everywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never said they were accepted everywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then why should piercings be accepted everywhere with nudists also? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dunno, ask someone who feels they should be accepted everywhere. I never mentioned that (for the second time). I was talking about it becoming more mainstream which is not the same.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

Newcomers might accept nudism easier if it doesn't go hand in hand with piercing everywhere. Why not just stick with nudity as the theme of nudist events without adding other alternate lifestyles that are hard to sell? Pretty soon we will have people hanging from the trees with piecings attached to all different body parts. Great for families, right! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet newcomers would accept us easier if we put clothes on too. Nudists belong to all other groups on the planet, alternative or not and it shouldn't be relevant to their practice of nudism. I really don't know what genital jewelry has to do with alternative lifestyles. They really aren't linked. Some people think they are is all.

Many people with piercings have families. Again, I don't know how this relates to what I originally said. Wearing genital jewelry has nothing to do with being a family or being around a family no more than wearing any other jewelry would be. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, but wearing jewelry on the genitals is considered sexual to many. Nudism shouldn't just for open-minded liberals to tolerate everything. It should also be for the more conservative that have different values but accept nudism. We have to draw a line or people will have sex in front of others. Where do we draw the line? If you touch someone on their back, arm or shake hands, it is okay. But if you touch their genitals it is not. The genitals have different rules because they are sexual. Drawing attention to them with piercings is different in this society than drawing attention to your ears with piercings. I say keep the genital piercings at home and keep nudism pure. Otherwise nudism will only involve liberals who tolerate everything.

NudeTopher

09-23-2005, 07:59 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by soundman:

Yes, but wearing jewelry on the genitals is considered sexual to many. <span class="ev_code_BLUE">Soundman, as you know, most textiles consider being naked to be sexual and nude recreation to be a sexual activity. As a nudist you know better. If you understand that nudism isn't about sex it doesn't seem difficult to grasp that body jewlery isn't sexual (For the record I have no piercings, no body jewlery, no tats, and I don't own a cockring.)</span>

Nudism shouldn't just for open-minded liberals to tolerate everything. <span class="ev_code_BLUE">I suppose if you state that liberals are open minded that would then define conservatives a being closed minded. What is so wrong with NOT being closed minded? After all, if as a society we followed the conservative (closed minded) belief system then nudism wouldn't even exist. Seriously, ask (textile) conservatives how they feel about nudists. There is NO acceptence.

What you are asking for is for nudism to be accepted despite commonly held conservative views and values; but you won't provide that same freedom to others that wish to wear body jewlery. That's not a conservative/liberal issue-that's just being selfish; you only want peope to wear,act, and behave as you deem fit. In short, you just defined conservatives as judgemental, selfish oafs who can break the norms of society (i.e. nudism) but must adhere to other conservative beliefs. </span>

It should also be for the more conservative that have different values but accept nudism. We have to draw a line or people will have sex in front of others. Where do we draw the line?

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">I believe that nudism and body jewlery pretty much define the lines themselves. Have you seen anybody here suggest public sexuality? For as long as I have been here I havn't seen that here or at the nude venues that I have visited. The sexual connotation must be in your own mind for I can't imagine anybody being tempted to have public sex at a nudist venue just because they have a body part pierced, tatooed, or adorned with rings.</span>

If you touch someone on their back, arm or shake hands, it is okay. But if you touch their genitals it is not. The genitals have different rules because they are sexual. <span class="ev_code_GREEN">Once again, who is suggesting or requesting that their genitals be touched just because they have a slip-on ring or someother such object. I've seen many women with gold bands on their nippies, I can guarantee that if you tried touching them you would get touched-with a kick to your groin. </span>
Drawing attention to them with piercings is different in this society than drawing attention to your ears with piercings. I say keep the genital piercings at home and keep nudism pure. Otherwise nudism will only involve liberals who tolerate everything.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">

[COLOR:BLUE]Being a liberal as well as a nudist, I'm not disinclusive as you are. I should hope that everybody participates in nude recreation. When it comes to the beach, swims, and clubs I have a desire to see more people-not less. You are the one that suggested that maybe it' all too much for conservatives; maybe you are right and they should stay home since they only want to be around people identical to themselves. Please remember that was your suggestion, via sheer logic, not mine!</span>

MJ_KC

09-23-2005, 08:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PascoDoug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
Here is a little story about one nudist imposing their "values" on the rest. This is no different than telling others what jewelry to wear.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The real question is did the club management take the reports by this "Mabel" seriously or did they think she was a pain in the rear end as well? Sounds like someone just needs to confront her and put her in her place. One member doesn't have the right to dictate what is appropriate or not for the club. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If she is disruptive to the operation of the club, why does management allow her to keep her membership? Sounds to me like she is harassing and trying to intimidate people.

David77

09-23-2005, 08:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Would you be OK with this guy showing up at your local resort? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would hope that he would not show up at the resort, as it might give the resort a bad reputation, to those who did not know the resort very well.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">How would you feel about your kids seeing him? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think that I would explain to the child that this type of piercing behavior is totally unacceptable, and that the person is probably suffering from mental problems.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Should we just accept him for who he is and ignore the "decorations"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, we should accept him as a precious, valued human being, but not ignore his "decorations".

They are probably a symptom of deeper mental/emotional problems. If someone was concerned about him, and interested enough to talk with him, they might befriend him and eventually refer him to a mental health clinic, if needed. But this may be futile. He may be getting too much secondary enjoyment from this gross behavior. Need for this referral may be indicated by his mutalating behavior, too far from societal norm, even in our "piercing society".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">How would you react if you met him? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would be friendly and treat him with respect, just as all human beings should be treated.

Maybe we should ask the Christians this question, "What would Jesus do?"
It is said that Jesus ate with all types of people, had compassion on prostitutes and society's rejected people and people who were different, and gave an instructive parable about helping a traveler from Jeruselem going to Jerico who was beaten and robed. Even though the Samaritans were those whom many others normally hated, the very helpful, compassionate Sameritan was praised as having greater behavior than the other two persons who had greater status in society, who passed the man by.

I am a Naturalistic Humanist, but I will consider any writing from any source that I find is good, and this religious principle, stated above, sounds good to me.

I try to follow my church "Purposes and Principles", and two of them are;

to covenant, to affirm and promote;
1. the inherent worth and dignity of ever person,
2. justice, equality, and <u>compassion</u> in human relations

fredm74

09-23-2005, 09:14 PM

Wow, this topic is heated.........lol

Just to add my two cents, the c*ck ring is pretty much a "sex toy". If you go to an erotic website or adult bookstore, c*ck rings are sold right along with dildos, blow-up dolls and lubricants. c*ck rings, like someone mentioned is used to enhance erection. Why wear a c*ck ring to a nude beach that is meant to arouse a male for sexual pleasure? It really no makes no sense.

If a child sees a man with a c*ck ring parading down the beach then it opens a whole different situation altogether. Its a touchy subject indeed.

c*ck rings are different than rings on a finger, rings on a toe or an earring, those things do not cause someone to get an erection but a c*ck ring does because that is its purpose.

Stay nude, Fred http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

David77

09-23-2005, 09:55 PM

You are so right, FredM74.

NudeTopher

09-24-2005, 03:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fredm74:
Wow, this topic is heated.........lol

Just to add my two cents, the c*ck ring is pretty much a "sex toy". If you go to an erotic website or adult bookstore, c*ck rings are sold right along with dildos, blow-up dolls and lubricants. c*ck rings, like someone mentioned is used to enhance erection. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, we are talking about two different things. The only cockrings that I have ever seen worn at a nudist venue were decorative. They were not the tight kind used to enhance and prolong errections; and there were no errections involved.

sknny_dipper

09-24-2005, 03:34 AM

Extremly well put, Christopher.

MJ_KC

09-24-2005, 07:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher (christopher):
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fredm74:
Wow, this topic is heated.........lol

Just to add my two cents, the c*ck ring is pretty much a "sex toy". If you go to an erotic website or adult bookstore, c*ck rings are sold right along with dildos, blow-up dolls and lubricants. c*ck rings, like someone mentioned is used to enhance erection. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, we are talking about two different things. The only cockrings that I have ever seen worn at a nudist venue were decorative. They were not the tight kind used to enhance and prolong errections; and there were no errections involved. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The only ones that I have seen at a nude beach were not decorative. Made me wonder what the guy was doing this for.

nakednudists

09-24-2005, 10:25 AM

Uh, no thanks. No need for me to have a penis ring.

By the way, I'm a bronze member now!!! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

EricNY

09-24-2005, 11:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nakednudists:
By the way, I'm a bronze member now!!! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't look bronze to me....hmmm maybe its just the lighting http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BackpackerBrian

09-24-2005, 10:20 PM

Nakednudists, I am with you on, "Just say no penis rings!"

The way I see it, being a nudist is about the naturalness, and if I was supposed to wear a penis ring, I would have been born with it!

You know, exposing the penis is part of being a nudist . . . I don't have to draw attention to it with a ring. I sure hope my friends, as well as new acquaintences, like me for more than my penis.

By the way, nakednudists, congrats on your bronze status!!!!

David77

09-24-2005, 10:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nakednudists, I am with you on, "Just say no penis rings!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, the original question was not about penis rings, but a c*ck ring. They are two different things. The latter ring goes around both parts at once, the penis AND the scrotum.

krcNY

09-25-2005, 05:53 AM

I keep coming and reading this thread. My opinions change from page to page.

When nude you are just like everyone else. I like to be different, I am not a typical female and proud of it. When nude I will wear stylish flip flops or a really cool towel or something to stand out. Not because I want people to see me, I just want to be different.

I only have peircings in my ears, no tatoos and no crazy hair colorings. My jewelry is subtle.

I do not see the need to such adornment on the penis while nude. It draws the attention to the penis not the person. I do not care if it is decorative or not. I do not look from penis to penis at nude venues and don't want to start. If you want to be different then wear a hat, some interesting shoes, or anything!!! There are ways to stand out without it.

Just a female opinion here.

NudeTopher

09-25-2005, 06:22 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by krcNY:
I keep coming and reading this thread. My opinions change from page to page.

When nude you are just like everyone else. I like to be different, I am not a typical female and proud of it. When nude I will wear stylish flip flops or a really cool towel or something to stand out. Not because I want people to see me, I just want to be different.

I only have peircings in my ears, no tatoos and no crazy hair colorings. My jewelry is subtle.

I do not see the need to such adornment on the penis while nude. It draws the attention to the penis not the person. I do not care if it is decorative or not. I do not look from penis to penis at nude venues and don't want to start. If you want to be different then wear a hat, some interesting shoes, or anything!!! There are ways to stand out without it.

Just a female opinion here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I fully understand your opinion, and I'm glad that you posted. That being said, I suppose it comes down to something a bit different for me. Not only don't I have any genital jewelry, and I don't know where to buy any, I don't want any! But, I certainly don't want to be in a position of imposing my likes and dislikes on others. If somebody decides to wear a thing on their thingy at the beach it really isn't any of my business and certainly is not going to effect my day at the beach any more then your brightly colored flip-flops or cool towel.

Nudony

09-25-2005, 07:31 AM

Just wait until they try to make the penis gourd fashionable!

(Of course, I'm being facetious here!"

NudeTopher

09-25-2005, 07:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nudony:
Just wait until they try to make the penis gourd fashionable!

(Of course, I'm being facetious here!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh No! Why do I envision a poll so we can choose between a cod piece or a penis gourd?

BackpackerBrian

09-25-2005, 07:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nakednudists, I am with you on, "Just say no penis rings!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, the original question was not about penis rings, but a c*ck ring. They are two different things. The latter ring goes around both parts at once, the penis AND the scrotum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmm, I never knew the difference between a penis ring and a c***ring. I am quite certain nakednudists didn't either. Maybe that's a good thing . . . you know, not to be a c***ring expert http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PascoDoug

09-25-2005, 08:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BackpackerBrian:
Hmmmm, I never knew the difference between a penis ring and a c***ring. I am quite certain nakednudists didn't either. Maybe that's a good thing . . . you know, not to be a c***ring expert http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A c0ck ring is where c0ck fights are held. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NudeAl

09-25-2005, 08:27 AM

I'll chime in here, a little goes a long way, no pun intended. That is to say less is more, well that's not sounding much better is it?

What I meant was if you are going to adorn your genital area then it shouldn't be to gaudy or flashy. I'm not into jewelry the only thing I ever wear is my wedding band and it is just a plain gold band. I have seen an increase in recent years of the number of nudists who choose to decorate this area of their bodies and if it is tastfully done I see nothing wrong with it. I think there can be middle ground but not sure where we would draw the line. I did see one piece of male genital jewelry at the beach that I found offensive. It was basically a steel cage that surrounded the penis and scrotum like several c*ckrings linked together. I'm fairly certain the individual was doing it for sexual reasons as the group he was with later were seen to be engaging in open sex on the beach.

So in my opinion if someone has a bit of jewelry down there keep it tastful and it may just be okay. As for me I'll remain as I am and try very hard to keep an open mind.

NudeTopher

09-25-2005, 08:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeAl:
I'll chime in here, a little goes a long way, no pun intended. That is to say less is more, well that's not sounding much better is it?

What I meant was if you are going to adorn your genital area then it shouldn't be to gaudy or flashy. I'm not into jewelry the only thing I ever wear is my wedding band and it is just a plain gold band. I have seen an increase in recent years of the number of nudists who choose to decorate this area of their bodies and if it is tastfully done I see nothing wrong with it...I. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The perfect opening for me to use one of my favorite lines "everybody has class..some high..some low"

09-25-2005, 02:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by krcNY:

I do not see the need to such adornment on the penis while nude. It draws the attention to the penis not the person. I do not care if it is decorative or not. I do not look from penis to penis at nude venues and don't want to start. If you want to be different then wear a hat, some interesting shoes, or anything!!! There are ways to stand out without it.

Just a female opinion here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, I've asked this several times now of several people and still no response. Why is it wrong to draw attention to a penis? Why can nobody answer this?

Doesn't your hat and jewelry draw attention to other body parts? Why is it not wrong to draw attention to your feet with your shoes but not to a penis with jewelry or paint?

And yes I do look from penis to penis as well as all other body parts while in a social nudity situation. I don't consider it something to avoid looking at. Avoiding looking at them would mean you feel uncomfortable if you did? Or what? Do you still have flashbacks to childhood when genitals were "dirty"? Help me understand this.

Would it be wrong to put body paint on it? What if it were just very very large? Would that make you uncomfortable too?

RunningNude57

09-25-2005, 02:07 PM

.... and some of that "jewelry" looks non-too comfortable.... but live & let live.

The perfect opening for me to use one of my favorite lines "everybody has class..some high..some low"[/QUOTE]

soundman

09-25-2005, 02:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
Ok, I've asked this several times now of several people and still no response. Why is it wrong to draw attention to a penis? Why can nobody answer this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'll answer again.
Wearing jewelry on the genitals is considered sexual to many. If you touch someone on their back, arm or shake hands, it is okay. But if you touch their genitals it is not. The genitals have different rules because they are sexual by nature. Drawing attention to them with piercing is considered sexual. Wearing a bikini is sexual to me because it is placed on sex organs. Keep the genital piercing at home and keep nudism pure.

MJ_KC

09-25-2005, 02:44 PM

soundman

09-25-2005, 02:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MJ_KC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by soundman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
Ok, I've asked this several times now of several people and still no response. Why is it wrong to draw attention to a penis? Why can nobody answer this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'll answer again.
Wearing jewelry on the genitals is considered sexual to many. If you touch someone on their back, arm or shake hands, it is okay. But if you touch their genitals it is not. The genitals have different rules because they are sexual by nature. Drawing attention to them with piercing is considered sexual. Wearing a bikini is sexual to me because it is placed on sex organs. Keep the genital piercing at home and keep nudism pure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just find the idea of certain things making nudism non-pure to be a bit of a stretch. To most non-nudist people, nudism is anything but pure.

How did nudists become prudish about so many things when we aren't prudish about going nude? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is why nudism isn't growing very fast. People think it is all about sex. I have heard it many times from the general public. We need to keep it as pure as possible then people will allow the rest of the family to get involved. Otherwise it will just be a hedonistic naughty thing that no one whould want their children near.

fredm74

09-25-2005, 03:28 PM

Hey Cyndiannaked, I hope you are doing well. As for your question, I don't think there is anything wrong with the penis but wouldn't it be awkward if everyone and their momma was pointing and gawking at a man's penis due to his c*ck ring when its clearly the #1 nude etiquette to NOT do that on a nude beach? Staring at a man's penis too long might make some uncomfortable but a guy who is purposely drawing attention on his penis might make people think twice.

I don't think the penis is dirty or anything to be embarrassed about but if a guy comes in wearing a c*ck ring for the sole purpose to have people stare at his penis, his intentions comes into question. If the setting is at a private party, in the privacy of his home, then that is fine but at a public nude beach, it's somewhat a touchy issue...........

Stay nude, Fred http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by krcNY:

I do not see the need to such adornment on the penis while nude. It draws the attention to the penis not the person. I do not care if it is decorative or not. I do not look from penis to penis at nude venues and don't want to start. If you want to be different then wear a hat, some interesting shoes, or anything!!! There are ways to stand out without it.

Just a female opinion here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, I've asked this several times now of several people and still no response. Why is it wrong to draw attention to a penis? Why can nobody answer this?

Doesn't your hat and jewelry draw attention to other body parts? Why is it not wrong to draw attention to your feet with your shoes but not to a penis with jewelry or paint?

And yes I do look from penis to penis as well as all other body parts while in a social nudity situation. I don't consider it something to avoid looking at. Avoiding looking at them would mean you feel uncomfortable if you did? Or what? Do you still have flashbacks to childhood when genitals were "dirty"? Help me understand this.

Would it be wrong to put body paint on it? What if it were just very very large? Would that make you uncomfortable too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fredm74

09-25-2005, 03:37 PM

freedom2be, I hear ya. I'm with you on this one. But I can see why some would feel its inappropriate for a nude beach. I've seen many c*ck rings on Gunnison as well. Did I pass out? Of course not. But anyone knows that a c*ck ring is associated with sex. And that is pretty much what nudism isn't about. It's not about sex. So in a way it sort of sends mixed messages of the nudist lifestyle.

-Stay nude, Fred http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by freedom2be:
Sort of like telling women they can't bend over or squat when they're at the beach or resort...because dear God - somebody might "see" something.... THEY'RE NUDE!!!! Should you put your pants back on to pick up your towel? I just see it as another issue people like to control...how does wearing a ring possibly hurt anybody around you? I've probably seen 50 of them at Gunnison - no erections involved...nobody passed out at the sight of it and life went on....most congenially... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

krcNY

09-25-2005, 03:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:

Ok, I've asked this several times now of several people and still no response. Why is it wrong to draw attention to a penis? Why can nobody answer this?

Doesn't your hat and jewelry draw attention to other body parts? Why is it not wrong to draw attention to your feet with your shoes but not to a penis with jewelry or paint?

And yes I do look from penis to penis as well as all other body parts while in a social nudity situation. I don't consider it something to avoid looking at. Avoiding looking at them would mean you feel uncomfortable if you did? Or what? Do you still have flashbacks to childhood when genitals were "dirty"? Help me understand this.

<span class="ev_code_GREEN">My answer is yes. I never learned the proper terminology until High School. I feel uncomfortable looking at someone elses penis but my husband. Yes I notice sizes are different, but to take the time to appreciate the jewelry,paint job, etc....I Feel Uncomfortable.</span>

Would it be wrong to put body paint on it? What if it were just very very large? Would that make you uncomfortable too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

09-25-2005, 05:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by soundman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
Ok, I've asked this several times now of several people and still no response. Why is it wrong to draw attention to a penis? Why can nobody answer this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'll answer again.
Wearing jewelry on the genitals is considered sexual to many. If you touch someone on their back, arm or shake hands, it is okay. But if you touch their genitals it is not. The genitals have different rules because they are sexual by nature. Drawing attention to them with piercing is considered sexual. Wearing a bikini is sexual to me because it is placed on sex organs. Keep the genital piercing at home and keep nudism pure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nudism is considered sexual by many. The way to stop people from thinking nudism AND genital jewelry is sexual is by making it commonplace, and you do that by having them exposed to it, not by hiding it.

I really think that nudism is never "pure", it's alwasy interpreted by each individual. People are sexual and nudism will reflect that no matter how you want to pretend to the world that it's not. I think you are saying we can't be sexual while being a nudist and that is so untrue.

What we need is for the general public to become comfortable with their sexuality and mere nudity will not be an issue, as genital decoration will not be an issue.

It's the sexuality part that is the sticking point. In Europe, where sexuality is treated totally different than in the US they don't confuse different kinds of nudity. They see nudity (and genital decoration) in a much more relaxed fashion. It's not one dimensional like it is here in the US.

09-25-2005, 05:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by soundman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MJ_KC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by soundman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
Ok, I've asked this several times now of several people and still no response. Why is it wrong to draw attention to a penis? Why can nobody answer this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'll answer again.
Wearing jewelry on the genitals is considered sexual to many. If you touch someone on their back, arm or shake hands, it is okay. But if you touch their genitals it is not. The genitals have different rules because they are sexual by nature. Drawing attention to them with piercing is considered sexual. Wearing a bikini is sexual to me because it is placed on sex organs. Keep the genital piercing at home and keep nudism pure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just find the idea of certain things making nudism non-pure to be a bit of a stretch. To most non-nudist people, nudism is anything but pure.

How did nudists become prudish about so many things when we aren't prudish about going nude? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is why nudism isn't growing very fast. People think it is all about sex. I have heard it many times from the general public. We need to keep it as pure as possible then people will allow the rest of the family to get involved. Otherwise it will just be a hedonistic naughty thing that no one whould want their children near. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But that isn't real. As I said, it's really only a problem with US nudists, it's not a worldwide problem. Wearing genital jewelry doesn't affect nudism at all, it doesn't make it "unpure".

We are sexual, we don't turn that off when we go in the nudist resort gates. Many clubs around here have nightclubs in them. It's expected at most vacation destinations.

We don't have to squeeze out our sexuality, we have to become comfortable with it.

I really think that wanting nudism to be asexual is a lie.

09-25-2005, 05:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fredm74:
Hey Cyndiannaked, I hope you are doing well. As for your question, I don't think there is anything wrong with the penis but wouldn't it be awkward if everyone and their momma was pointing and gawking at a man's penis due to his c*ck ring when its clearly the #1 nude etiquette to NOT do that on a nude beach? Staring at a man's penis too long might make some uncomfortable but a guy who is purposely drawing attention on his penis might make people think twice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why would people point and gawk at anyone's penis at any time? Why would having a **** ring cause that to happen? That would be bad manners. And how is that the fault of the one wearing the ring? It's the gawkers that are at fault.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

I don't think the penis is dirty or anything to be embarrassed about but if a guy comes in wearing a c*ck ring for the sole purpose to have people stare at his penis, his intentions comes into question. If the setting is at a private party, in the privacy of his home, then that is fine but at a public nude beach, it's somewhat a touchy issue...........

Stay nude, Fred http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You assumed in your post that a guy wears it only to have people stare at his penis. Why?

09-25-2005, 05:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fredm74:
But anyone knows that a c*ck ring is associated with sex.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You shouldn't make that assumption nor should people assume that about nudism. Both are wrong.

09-25-2005, 06:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My answer is yes. I never learned the proper terminology until High School. I feel uncomfortable looking at someone elses penis but my husband. Yes I notice sizes are different, but to take the time to appreciate the jewelry,paint job, etc....I Feel Uncomfortable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for being honest.

Don't you think that the more you see the more comfortable you'd be?

Decades ago just seeing an ankle was uncomfortable. Times change!

krcNY

09-26-2005, 05:01 AM

I honestly do not know. It was one of the reasons I was apprehensive of going to a nude venue. To me it was one thing to be nude at home. Now that I have been to nude venues, it doesn't bother me to see the whole body. But to focus on the penis....my answer is still yes, I am umcomfortable with it.

rascal56

09-26-2005, 08:26 AM

wow! Never expected this kind of reaction. Its all across the board,Thanks for the input. I too have seen rings that go around the scotum and penis. that was my original question although not put exactly that way. Why is done? I dunno to show oiff? maybe for support ( I doubt it) and for the feeling ( who knows). I personally like breast piercings on women and just wondered what the rings were about.
Thanks again.
Rascal.

MJ_KC

09-26-2005, 08:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
We are sexual, we don't turn that off when we go in the nudist resort gates. Many clubs around here have nightclubs in them. It's expected at most vacation destinations. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nightclubs are expected at upscale textile resorts, so I see no reason why they shouldn't be present at upscale nudist resorts.

After all, the only difference is supposed to be the lack of clothing, not the activities that are provided for entertainment.

OZJames

09-26-2005, 09:21 PM

About 10 to 15 years ago a young man was visiting us and we all went for a (clothed) swim. He wore a silver nipple ring. When I saw it I was shocked and I am ashamed to say I made a very impolite remark about it. Since then I have been exposed to much more knowledge about personal jewellery and would now not be shocked at seeing belly rings, nipple rings, male ear rings, rings in eyebrows and genital jewellery. BUT would I make a rude remark – I don’t think so. Perhaps a joke though or a polite question about whether genital jewellery improved sexual pleasure.

Neither my wife nor myself particularly like the look of a smoothie for ourselves. We remain unshaved but we do not criticise anyone for shaving their pubic hairs. I know that people feel “FREE” when shaved and I suspect that they enjoy more sexual pleasure (I have never been game to ask) BUT I also think that people shave to draw attention to their genitals – I challenge any male smoothie to dispute this. Nudists seem VERY comfortable about full body shaving.

So why all the fuss about a few pieces of genital jewellery. As Cyndiannaked said “Wearing genital jewelry doesn't affect nudism at all, it doesn't make it "unpure". We are sexual, we don't turn that off when we go in the nudist resort gates.”

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nakednudists

09-26-2005, 10:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BackpackerBrian:
Nakednudists, I am with you on, "Just say no penis rings!"

The way I see it, being a nudist is about the naturalness, and if I was supposed to wear a penis ring, I would have been born with it!

You know, exposing the penis is part of being a nudist . . . I don't have to draw attention to it with a ring. I sure hope my friends, as well as new acquaintences, like me for more than my penis.

By the way, nakednudists, congrats on your bronze status!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Brian. I see no reason to wear anything on your genitals. As far as I am concerned, they are there for specific reasons...one of them not being cockrings, not penis rings as someone quoted. And I think Doug had it right, a cockring is where ***** fight...sounds good to me. Btw Brian, how is your search for a place in Paradise going? Only four more messages and you will join the bronze ranks also!

NudeTopher

09-27-2005, 04:55 AM

Soundman, I believe that you may be confusing fact with fiction. At the very least you are assuming facts not quite in evidence.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by soundman

... Wearing a bikini is sexual to me because it is placed on sex organs....

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">If you find a bikini, or any other piece of cloth to be sexual that's called a fettish! Just because you sexualize something that touches the genitals doesn't mean that anyone else does! Tampons, boxers, toilet paper, and even towels used for drying and sitting on all touch genitals and you'd be hard pressed to find anybody (well a normal anybody) that considers these articles to be sexual.</span>

That is why nudism isn't growing very fast. People think it is all about sex. I have heard it many times from the general public.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">This statement really makes me wonder where you get your facts.

AANR claims that their membership is growing (despite Cyndiann's claim to thecontrary.) Each year when I go to our local nude beach it gets more and more crowded. Both non-landed and landed nudist clubs have been growing in both membership and quantity of venues. How dare you say that nudism isn't growing! Do you think all of the new, and huge, resorts have invested untold millions of dollars for a shrinking market? If your premise was true they would be going bankrupt instead of expanding.

Lastly, your comment that the general public views nudism as being sexual and that is the reason for nudism not growing in popularity is also highly suspect. There are many reasons that people would never consider nudism/nude recreation. Never once did I hear that supposed sexual behavior was either a primary or secondary reason. Are your prejudices not coloring your "facts" here too?</span>

NudeTopher

09-27-2005, 05:10 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by soundman:

If you touch someone on their back, arm or shake hands, it is okay. But if you touch their genitals it is not.

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1. Nobody in this thread ever mentioned anything about touching another's genitals.
2. One doesn't need to touch another's genitals for an act to be either sexual or sensual. Have you not ever experienced a sensual massage? A sensual massage involves the use of hands and perhaps a back, arm, leg, hand,or foot; touching genitals is not necessary for a massage to be sexual or sensual</span>

The genitals have different rules because they are sexual by nature. Drawing attention to them with piercing is considered sexual. Wearing a bikini is sexual to me because it is placed on sex organs. Keep the genital piercing at home and keep nudism pure.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">If I had to venture a guess, I'd say you have a hard you time with being what you call a "pure nudist." If you sexualize textiles that cover pubic areas, and the very thought of breasts/pubic regions bring on such defensive thoughts, I'd guess that you are really having a struggle.</span>

09-27-2005, 05:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">AANR claims that their membership is growing (despite Cyndiann's claim to thecontrary.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't just claim it, I called AANR and asked for exact membership figures which they gave me. Anyone can do that. I got it from the horse's mouth, it's not disputable.

What AANR claims is that they have gained members in the last 10 years and they have.

What they don't say is that in the past 6 or so the membership has been dropping, due to Paradise Lakes dropping it's 100% status. Paradise is their largest source of members, therefore their largest source of income.

It would be dropping faster but they now have a new way to gain members that they didn't have previously. They allow people to join directly from their website. This has offset the loss from Paradise somewhat but not enough to make up for all of it.

Now, this doesn't reflect on how many nudists there are or if we are growing or shrinking because the great majority of nudists don't belong to AANR. Some people put that figure as low as 1 or 2%.

Therefore, using AANR's membership figures to determine if nudism is growing or shrinking doesn't work. AANR only consists of clubs. Not beaches, not cruises, and not all clubs.