Nudity vs. Fashion

[whitestokes]

Hey guys, once again it seem like I have been away from Clothesfree.com forum a little to long, so for the ones that still remember me what’s up and for any members to the forum that came along while I been away how are you doing, my name Stephen (a.k.a Whitestokes).
So to get back in the thick of things around here, I would like to start a new topic starter that I have been thinking about for some time now that I would love to share with my fellow naturist friends here. On the subject matter towards Nudity vs. Fashion or on the other hand how I think the fashion industry in some cases has tried to incorporate nudity and fashion together.

However, I would like you the readers to this topic to first imagine in your minds, being born in a world where clothing "Did Not" exist! A world where being nude was as common and comfortable as wearing clothing, such as you would wear in our real life society today. Well, if you can actually picture this kind of world in your mind without clothing, do you think there will be still a need for the fashion industries?
If you are thinking "NO" you might be just a little bit wrong, because we can never forget that we as human beings have a build-in traits to want to look and feel different from everybody else, this is what I called "Individuality"! Whereas from which is the power behind the fashion industry anyway. Making and designing clothing is what they do best, from the raise of Hip-hop fashion to the latest fashionable clothing coming out of Vogue magazine, the fashion industry and their top designers are always busy making clothing different and new for us.
So because of our different individuality traits to dress different from everybody else, my question still stand in that will fashion be apart of an all nude society? Well in my honest opinion from what I have already stated above, the answer will "YES"! This is do to the fact that even if clothing did not exist, simple things like clothing accessories will still be more of a focus for one's individuality to look and feel different then others. Accessories, such as headwear, jewelry, and body paint can all be a form fashion in having one's own individuality.
Now if any of you (readers of this topic) are having little doubts about this body accessories theory, let me give you an example of this theory which is not a theory, but more as a bodily accessory fact. There are many of primitive indigenous native people throughout Africa and within the jungles of South of America that live their entire lives completely nude, wearing only bodily accessories such as, body paint, jewelry and feathers, but still feeling totally comfortable and unashamed about have their genitals expose. These same native people each have their own individual identity that gives them sense of fashion to look and feel different from there other tribesmen.

Here's are some photos of primitive Brazilian native as an example.

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Although, my example of using primitive indigenous people to prove this particular point of view on body accessories, is not just used for primitive people only, but it is also used by some of us so called modern civilize people as well. World's famous fashion designer Hussein Chalayan as an example has incorporated nudity and the latest fashion accessory techniques, for those who dare to be bare and want to look good doing it. However, I think the best way for me to explain how*Hussein Chalayan has accomplish this special technique, is for you (the reader) to see it for yourself through this You Tube clip of this particular fashion accessory.

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Hussein Chalayan Clip

Please click the link above and please wait patiently to the very end of the You Tube fashion catwalk clip to witness my example (If you cannot open this link, you probably need to signup for You Tube).

Now I could easily stop here by only using the works of fashion designer Hussein Chalayan for an example, but why would I do something like that especially when I have to also mention about fashion designer Stefane Monzon, who once dedicated an entire fashion show of nudity and fashion accessories altogether. *However and once again, you don't have to take my word of it, but please see it for yourself in this clip below

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http://www.stefanemonzoen.com/monzoen_html/show.php

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Please click the link above see nudity and fashion can be worked in together.
So I hope you as the readers to this new topic can understand my point of view here, but this is only my ideas of my own opinions. So please feel free to place your comments of your own.




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[NudonyII]

Hey Whitestokes! Where have you been? Seems like ages when we were going back and forth posting together!:laugh:

But to answer your post: yes. Fashion would take on a different "look" in a clothesfree world, but it would definitely still exist. In the current nudist world, we do not feel the need to differentiate ourselves or stand out from the masses, because the nudist community is so small and seclusive. But if nudism was decidedly more widespread, small subcultures would emerge, with the desire to differentiate themselves from the larger group. Some groups would choose tattoos or piercings a a fashion statement; others would choose jewelry or ornementations. And there would be sarongs and togas of many different colors, worn in a variety of ways. The "automated hat" shown at the end of the video would certainly become a popular item.

[naturistoftheyear]

And the world would never be totally clothesfree because there are still places where it's too cold, especially in winter.

[miracleman]

Good to see you back on here Stephen. Its always a pleasure reading your often thought provoking comments and the great photos you post.

[whitestokes]

Hey Whitestokes! Where have you been? Seems like ages when we were going back and forth posting together!:laugh:

But to answer your post: yes. Fashion would take on a different "look" in a clothesfree world, but it would definitely still exist. In the current nudist world, we do not feel the need to differentiate ourselves or stand out from the masses, because the nudist community is so small and seclusive. But if nudism was decidedly more widespread, small subcultures would emerge, with the desire to differentiate themselves from the larger group. Some groups would choose tattoos or piercings a a fashion statement; others would choose jewelry or ornementations. And there would be sarongs and togas of many different colors, worn in a variety of ways. The "automated hat" shown at the end of the video would certainly become a popular item.

Yes indeed Tony, yes indeed. We did have some great topic conversation back in the days and that is one of the main reason why I think it's time to get them rolling again, starting with this topic and hope many many more to come. However, to answer your question of where I have been, I kind of spend most of my time on another naturist forum, commenting, replying and starting new topics, but it was a younger forum and I wasn't getting any younger along with it, so here I am.

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Now towards your reply comment about my new topic starter, once again I am in total agreement with you like always, but have you Nudony ever heard of the book called LIFE-ONE: Love story beyond space time, written by John Doan. Well in Doan book, he describe a planet(Life-One) similar to earth, where our human beings counterparts exist in a world where nudity was more accepted and commonplace in society then our own. A planet that still carried a sense of fashion to be different, but still remain in a state of nudity. Matter of a fact and from what I pick up from reading John Doan that the body parts such the breast, penis and vagina was treated no differently then the human hand, arm, leg or foot. It was just a other part of the body, so much in fact that how we decorate and groom our hair (such as hair style), wearing of jewelry on our bodily limbs and ear piercing here on earth, our counterparts of Life-One likewise do the same, but also to the private parts as well. Also within the the book, John Doan has sketch some detail drawing depicting this planet society.


Here are some the sketch drawing from LIFE-ONE: Love story beyond space time below.

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Good to see you back on here Stephen. Its always a pleasure reading your often thought provoking comments and the great photos you post.

Oh yeah, thanks also for warm welcome back as well miracleman.



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[naturalmanwa]

Nice to hear from you again, Stephen! I must agree, the fashion industry would still be around, but different from today as we know it. Certain situations in industry where safety clothing is required and in the colder areas would still have a requirement for clothing.

[nakeduni]

Great Post!

[OZJames]

One of our friends with whom we spend a lot of nude time with when she visits us thinks that genitals on males are not visually pleasing but on women, usually covered with hair are visually pleasing. I do not agree and think her opinion is based on the fact the mostly these parts of the body are covered and that when we view them on a nude person the shock factor cuts in and many of us find it hard not to look AT the genitals. Unlike the indigenous tribes of Brazil most of us are not used to the whole nude body view in day to day life. I think that there are many parts of the body that are not, individually pleasing to look at. The nostrils, the ears (lets face it - a very weird shape), arm pits etc but we are so used to seeing these that we do not focus on them so we get the beauty of the whole face image, or the whole body image. Pimples, blackheads, freckles etc are not unattractive when one views THE PERSON rather than a pimple.

It is interesting to see that the fashion designer put feathers on the genitals whereas the Brazilian people decorated other body parts leaving the genitals fully exposed. The fashion designer was focusing on sex, the natives on the attractiveness of the WHOLE BODY.

First of all society must get used to nudity then the fashion experts can come in and "dress" up the body with, beads, rings, tatoos, hairstyles etc.

Perhaps nudist resorts should start the change by having fashion competition parades for nudists rather than the totally nude body fashion parades that we often see .

[NudonyII]

One other place where fashion and nudity collide: BurningMan.

But of course, it is a more "radical" form of expression.

[Ken Palmer]

Hello Whitestokes. I think I would have to say that even in a clothesfree world, individual fashion would still continue to exist. This is because people are,and will always be, different in character from one another. As was mentioned, even the primitive peoples in South America have their own individual traits that distinguish themselves from one another. But nevertheless, this is a very interesting post. I was unable to view the first video, but I just watched the fashion one.

Ken Palmer

[NakedGary]

You cannot consider or compare nude, nudity or nudism to fashion wearing anything.

About the only thing you could consider fashion of the completly nude body is hair style or lack of, body jewlery, tatoos, or body mutilation or modification.

Merrium-Webester's definition of "Nudity"

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2 a: devoid of a natural or conventional covering; especially : not covered by clothing or a drape

b (1): of the color of a white person's flesh (2): giving the appearance of nudity a nude dress

c: featuring nudes a nude movie d: frequented by naked people a nude beach

synonyms see bare (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/bare)

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[OZJames]

One other place where fashion and nudity collide: BurningMan.

But of course, it is a more "radical" form of expression.
"Radical" - isn't that what we are talking about ? Surely in the world today nudity, is (in most places) regarded as radical so any fashion expression by a nude person must be radical.

We know that fashions change, so we must work hard to make them change faster so we can enjoy more nude fashion.

[OZJames]

You cannot consider or compare nude, nudity or nudism to fashion wearing anything.
Gary- I think you are being a bit pedantic here. If we consider the indigenous Brazilian people in Whitestokes picture - surely you would agree that they are NUDE. Perhaps not technically but in effect. Prudish conservative friends/relatives sometimes say that I am practically naked when I am dressed in an ankle length Sarong.

Are you a nudist when you wear ONLY a hat or only flip flops ? I think it is likely that your hat IS A FASHION ITEM

[NudonyII]

When my wife and I were social nudists, she would try to incorporate her personal sense of style with nudity. The pic below (borrowed from WS) is very similar to a silk shirt she used to wear, and very much in the same manner. Although no one openly discouraged it, comments such as "why don't you just make yourself comfortable?" or "arent you warm with that thing on?" were often heard. As if she wasn't comfortable...

There is the perception in the world of nudism that sarongs not worn in a conventional manner (she would also sometimes wear it tied around one shoulder or her neck, and open on the side or the front), or shirts not worn also in a conventional manner (as Diane Webber below) are sort of "anti-nudism" or bringing too much attention to certain body parts. I personally think it's an antiquated viewpoint. In both situations, although the nudity is technically not complete, it is still quite apparent. Sure, I'm still a proponent of complete nudity; but I also would not begrudge someone's proclivity for combining personal fashion style and nudity. It is perhaps contemporary nudism's traditionalism that prevents it from attracting the younger generation.

[whitestokes]

You cannot consider or compare nude, nudity or nudism to fashion wearing anything.

About the only thing you could consider fashion of the completly nude body is hair style or lack of, body jewlery, tatoos, or body mutilation or modification.




Well, I can see that I am not the only one who feels that if a clothes free society did exist, a sense of style or fashion will still probably take an effect with the fashion industry being involved in it. However, I also must agree with your last statement Naked Gary, whereas you are somewhat kind of correct in your thinking that nudity and fashion shouldn’t be compared, but you are also kind of wrong with it as well. When I thought about bring this topic to Clothesfree forum, I knew it would be on the lines of a grey area topic of conversation, other then being just a one sided issue.

Now, everybody knows that there is away two sides of every story and this is no different, but the best way to prove a point of view is to put any particular person that is thinking the opposite from you, in your own shoes.
So with that said, let’s take you for an example "Naked Gary", to which if I may uses you as such. Since I have been on this forum, I have seen you in a couple of photographs that you have posted throughout this forum (past and present) of yourself completely nude, but also only wearing a typical baseball cap. However from these pictures of you, if you haven’t notice it, but when you or anybody else is wearing this particular piece of clothing attire and especially a ball cap, you are usually expressing a sense of fashion or style. Baseball hats in general are consider as a big piece of fashion accessory, due to these kind of hats usually have a wide range of different colors and containing some form of design or logo that is place upon them, usually anything that the wearer of this item have a taste for, which usually express or convey something about themselves. Now this could be from a favorite sport team, a favorite place the wearer of the hat has been or just something to express the personality of the wearer. Regardless of how you may think how you look wearing it, you are still expressing a little piece of fashion style, which make you standout as being a little bit different then the average “Joe” in the crowed, even in a nudist settling. To which, this is what I have already mentioned, when I talked about fashion is truly design to give people in general a sense of an individual identity.

Anyway, I truly feel that nudity and fashion could co-exist due to we as human being are an unique species, because if you have ever been to an animal farm that have one or two particular livestock there, such as cows, sheep’s or anything that usually herd together, could you really tell which animal apart from a distance. In the animal kingdom (which we are no different if we are herded together naked), one species is design to look similar to there own kind and looking from a far distance it would be hard to make out who is who. Some species of animals are so similar (even close up) that their offspring of that same species have to locate and identify their parents by sense of smell or sound, due to the similarity of other parents from their own. However, humans do have somewhat of an advantage over other species, due to our different facial feature and hair color, but one still needs to be close enough to recognize the feature of the face. Which bring me back to the baseball cap, if a group of nudists was in a crowd it would be real easy to identify that single nudist wearing the cap, because he or she would standout? So this is where fashion comes in to play that give our particular species a sense of individuality, even from afar.

Being nude and having a sense of style can happen and has happen as of the example I gave about the indigenous native cultures of Brazil, where the attire they wear have given them a sense of individuality, but still with the exposure of their genitals. I once post another topic upon this forum about the Carnival of Rio de Janeiro, whereas I mention about some of the costumes or lack of them doing the carnival parade. Due to the laws and policies of Brazil towards complete public nudity (of no direct showing of the genital), some of the Samba dancers have really push the "envelop wide open". The various kinds of body paints and feathers that adorn these dancers, in my mind are absolutely beautiful of how close one could be to nudity, but still have a style and fashion of being different. Here are some video clips and photos of the Samba dancers of Rio carnival.
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The first video clip is from You Tube of Fabiana Andrade being prepare for the carnival parade, with body paint and feathers.
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This second video clips is of You Tube and another link underneath (a much clearer one), is of Daniele Martins Santos dancing in Rio Salvador carnival parade.
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And the a much clearer one here.
http://terratv.terra.com.br/templates/channelContents.aspx?channel=2478&contentid=159715&play=1




whitestokes.

[Agde]

Cool topic! Often the gulf between textiles and nudists is that neither somehow think about the reasons for clothes and hence the space between "with" and "without".

First eliminate the invented reasons for clothes -- shame, modesty, etc. That's the main point.

Then why not protection with style? Why not have fun with decoration? It opens a whole new set of possibilities for design and innovation depending on activity, comfort and personal style. All of a sudden the gulf between textiles and nudists evaporates. Even if by default I might still personally prefer to be plain nude most of the time, I could be a real fan of everyone being free to enjoy the fashion in-between!

[walter05]

I find some clothing styles to be perverted and obviously sexual.

An entirely nude body is not so. One sees the entire body without bringing attention to certain parts.

[MoonShadow]

If we had all nude societies, yes, there would be "fashion" sense but most of the pics in this thread are females and in provocative threads except for the indigenous cultures. I am with Walter on this one.....I prefer all-nude with maybe jewelry, hats, shoes. However, fashion is out to market and make sales, and in short order, we would be in the same fashion bombardment boat we are now and mostly targeted to women. I would not want any fashions associated with nudism. But that is my personal preference and I am no fashion maven in any sense of the term.

[Borntobenude]

I believe that fashion would continue to exist even if we all still lived in a temperate climate where there was no need for the invention of clothing. There have been many peoples who did not wear clothing, but who did have some form of body adornment. People would still have a desire to express individuality, etc., and it can be done even in the absence of a body covering.

Sometimes I might be nude, but I'll have some kind of hat on my head. My body is still unenclosed, unbound and uncovered, and wearing a hat doesn't change that. Other people might be nude but wear some kind of jewelry. Other people have tattoos or body piercings. Others shave their pubic hair, others trim in various ways. Fashion would continue to exist without clothing, only of course in a necessarily different form than it currently exists.

[whitestokes]

I believe that fashion would continue to exist even if we all still lived in a temperate climate where there was no need for the invention of clothing. There have been many peoples who did not wear clothing, but who did have some form of body adornment. People would still have a desire to express individuality, etc., and it can be done even in the absence of a body covering.

Sometimes I might be nude, but I'll have some kind of hat on my head. My body is still unenclosed, unbound and uncovered, and wearing a hat doesn't change that. Other people might be nude but wear some kind of jewelry. Other people have tattoos or body piercings. Others shave their pubic hair, others trim in various ways. Fashion would continue to exist without clothing, only of course in a necessarily different form than it currently exists.

Since you also mention something about a hat or a cap that can be a piece of nudist fashion accessory Borntobenude, here is a cartoon photograph (from CFF) that goes right along with your statement.

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LoL………….



Oh yeah, also I think I need to make a quick comment on a little statement that OZJames made.



It is interesting to see that the fashion designer put feathers on the genitals whereas the Brazilian people decorated other body parts leaving the genitals fully exposed. The fashion designer was focusing on sex, the natives on the attractiveness of the WHOLE BODY.


Check out the photo that I have posted at the bottom here, of a native indigenous warrior from New Guinea. Not all nude primitive culture can be applied to this statement of yours.


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Think out side the box
Whitestokes



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[Borntobenude]

Since you also mention something about a hat or a cap that can be a piece of nudist fashion accessory Borntobenude, here is a cartoon photograph (from CFF) that goes right along with your statement.

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LOL

That's a good one.

[NakedGary]

Whitestokes,

You often see me nude wearing a cap. The reason is I'm bald on the top and use the cap to prevent getting sun burnt as I spend days, weekends and sometimes a week at resorts.

The cap is not a fashion statement, its a necessity to prevent sunburn and overexposure of UV A & B, and possible skin cancer.

[Borntobenude]

Whitestokes,

You often see me nude wearing a cap. The reason is I'm bald on the top and use the cap to prevent getting sun burnt as I spend days, weekends and sometimes a week at resorts.

The cap is not a fashion statement, its a necessity to prevent sunburn and overexposure of UV A & B, and possible skin cancer.

Perhaps not in your particular case, though if clothes didn't exist, then other people could certainly wear them as fashion statements. It's the same thing with clothing now. Some people wear certain clothes as a fashion statement while other people couldn't care less about fashion. I actually conducted a qualitative study about that some time ago.

[Baron Lake]

come on Gary, you mean you don't worry about your hat color clashing with the pool lounge chair? Philistine.

[whitestokes]

Whitestokes,

You often see me nude wearing a cap. The reason is I'm bald on the top and use the cap to prevent getting sun burnt as I spend days, weekends and sometimes a week at resorts.

The cap is not a fashion statement, its a necessity to prevent sunburn and overexposure of UV A & B, and possible skin cancer.

I have always had the up most respect for you "NakedGary", because you have earned it in my eyes. However, I can actually see you wearing a hat for that purpose and probably for that purpose only, but it’s kind of funny that you mention wearing a hat is to prevent the possibilities of getting skin cancer to which makes a whole lot of sense. Although on the other hand, if you are trying to avoid getting sunburn which can lead to skin cancer, what about the rest of your body? Suntan lotion doesn’t work on your head as well.
Being a naturist the possibility of getting sunburn, which in some cases could lead to skin cancer, is definitely a major concern with any naturist. Just look at me, I am a dark skin African American man and I to have gotten sunburn plenty times before, but like all my fellow naturist that I know (Black, White or any other color) we all put a generous amount of suntan lotion on. So I can see your point of view and understand your reason for wearing a hat for that purpose, but I still think you look good wearing it anyway……..


LoL…..
Whitestokes


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[walter05]

I am qualified to speak to Gary's challenge.

When one is bald, the sun constantly shines on the bald head. When sitting, standing, running, etc.

Except when lying down to get some sun, it gets constant exposure.

The hat makes a lot of sense. If you are not bald, you probably don't understand this. If you are, you don't need to hear it.

[OZJames]

I find some clothing styles to be perverted and obviously sexual.
An entirely nude body is not so. One sees the entire body without bringing attention to certain parts.
Humans are sexual beasts. I am sure that in a nudist society sexual fashion would be high on the agenda albeit in a minimalist way - body jewelry, body paint etc. In the textile world men and woman dress to make themselves SEXUALLY attractive. I don't think that is "perverted" . Men wear tight pants , women show their cleavages etc, society accepts that so if in a textile world sexual fashion is accepted why not in a nude world ?

Birds and animals alike "dress" themselves in their mating dances. They ruffle up their feather, dance in very sexual ways , the human race is no different - it can never be suppressed.

[OZJames]

Baseball caps are fashion items, the youths of today love wearing them, not because they prevent skin cancer but because they ARE FASHIONABLE.

Also they wear them backwards, I think that is a fashion statement but it may be a statement of rebellion against normality.

It makes me wonder how we determine at what point the worn item changes from being an item of protection or covering to a fashion item. The reason for wearing a cap is an example, if worn with the peak to the front it may only be a fashion item if of a radical colour. A genital covering , e.g. feathers or G string can be VERY sexy but if the only reason it is worn is to prevent being arrested then it may not be sexual fashion.

Why do we need fashion - is it only to attract the opposite sex ? Therefore ALL fashion is sexual .

[NudonyII]

Well...fashion can also be a statement of individuality. I'm a white collar manager; surrounded by colleagues with white or blue shirts and black dress pants. However, I choose to wear black and burgundy shirts with vests and khaki pants. I'm not doing this to catch the eye of the opposite sex; I do it to assert my individuality and non-conformity. Likewise, my wife, as I brought up previously, would sometimes wear an unbuttoned silk shirt at the resort. Her goal was not to catch the eye, quite obviously, but rather a statement: "This is MY approach to nudity."

Fashion can definitely be an assertion of sexuality. Heck, the girls in the office next door certainly don't wear cleavage-revealing tops and tight skirts to assert their individuality! But that's not all fashion needs to be about.

[OZJames]

Well...fashion can also be a statement of individuality. .... I'm not doing this to catch the eye of the opposite sex; I do it to assert my individuality and non-conformity.
Nudony, why do you want to be seen as a non-conforming individual ? Is it because you wish to seen as an interesting person, different from the "run of the mill" person - dare I say a more attractive person.

Whats' that song or film called - something about "fatal attraction" :laugh::laugh:

Perhaps the intention is not there but can the effect be the same - sex ???

Just because a person is married does not mean that they do not need to dress and groom ourselves well. During the whole of a marriage over decades it is important to remain the attractive sexy person that your spouse married. By dressing fashionably we hopefully will remain attractive to our spouses. So the fashion may not to attract others but to remain an attraction to our spouses.

[walter05]

You almost made my point inadvertently.

When there are teen girls and boys with pants so low that have their anal clefts are showing, this is obscene.

When there are young girls with tight, see through shirts, and nipple rings, this is obscene.

When young men are wearing shorts so low that pubic hair is showing this is obscene.

Stu in his bikinin swimwear is obscene. He is drawing attention to his privates in an obscene way.

These are but examples. These are individuals making certain sexual parts the focus of attention and therefore it is obscene.

However, if the same individuals are walking around totally nude, there is no calling attention to anything. The entire nude body in all of its splendor is shown. This is wonderful, and not obscene.

I know my words and examples are controversial to some but what I believe.

[Stu2630]

Walter

Stu in his bikinin swimwear is obscene. He is drawing attention to his privates in an obscene way.

That's just silly! When I wear shorts and a tee-shirt on the beach or in a swimming pool, you can't see my "privates".

Stu

[whitestokes]

<BIG>"Socks Only" by Dr. Finkelbaum in 2006</BIG>
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Hey everybody it Steve here and how is everyone doing since I haven't been hanging around here lately on Clothesfree.com the forum, did you miss me? Anyway, I am back to those of you who knew me and hello to members that I will know, but I let me get started in what made me love this place the most around here, which is me posting topics to help whoever read over what's going throughout my head. So since I start this topic some time ago to show some attention to what I feel that the fashion industry is trying to do by incorporate nudity within there fashion design, well if you still remember anything about whitestokes I have some new information about some more nudity that was somehow interweave within the designs of of the good old fashion industry once again. This time in Amsterdam with a fashion runway event called <b>"Socks Only"</b> by Dr. Finkelbaum in 2006. The key clothing item that was the main event for this particular fash ion show was the socks only and as for of the dress attire for these catwalk models the only else that is needed was face paint. However, there is a old saying that we all know so well and that is see is believe, so please click the video links below and judge for yourself of what Dr Finkelbaum feel best to wear with his style of socks and thats nothing at all.

Please click here to view video: http://www.toostylish.tv/us/videopage.php?id=3320


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[OZJames]

<big>"</big>The key clothing item that was the main event for this particular fash ion show was the socks"

WOW I never noticed that they were wearing sox :D

[jeffers]

This is a very good topic. Fashion is used by people as a way of expressing themselves and trying to be a different individual or maybe just being themselves. If we lived in a nude world and other than protective wear for safety reasons in certain circumstances and different weather conditions, I believe that we would find ways via accessories or additions to our bodies to be an individual.

[Baron Lake]

I think the horizontal stripes on the socks make their ankles look fat.

b.l.

[whitestokes]

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Well, to add some more light on how humorous the fashion industry is with dealing with using nudity to promote certain products it me give you the example of super model <b><i>Gisele Bundchen</i></b> and the shoe sandal company of <b><i>Ispanema</i></b>, when they decided to pay a visit to one of the Amazon rain forest primitive indigenous native tribes. Although, like I mention when I first started this topic about Nudity vs. Fashion, I spoke about the certain tribes such as some in the Amazon of Brazil that live their entire lives completely nude, wearing only bodily accessories such as, body paint, jewelry and feathers, but still feeling totally comfortable and unashamed about have their genitals expose. Well, here’s a different prospective in how our modern society of the fashion industry have somewhat notice this nude culture and decide to bring Gisele Bundchen a world class super model to do a photo shoot in the jungle with these most beautiful people. Nevertheless Gisele and the shoe fashion company Iapanema must have thought it be a good idea to capitalize on these Amazon native fashion attire and incorporated with our modern society fashion and especially with the sales of their particular sandals line. Although, I don't really know that if this was a good thing or not, for Gisele Bundchen and Ispanema shoe makers to do, but the thought did come across my mind about the photos that was taken of Gisele for the advertisement of this shoe brand, which is why I couldn't understand why Gisele just didn't pose in the nude like the native Amazon Indians she is trying to represent with their style of dress. These Amazonian tribe that she visited were still basically in a state of nudity, even though they did wear all of these beautiful color beads, feathers and body tattooing, but their genitals was still expose out in the open in the same peaceful manner that they have always been, way before any discovery of their existence. I have seen Gisele pose nude in other advertisements stuff before and with carefully taken photos that didn't show all of Gisele private parts, such as photo shots of Gisele backside or side views of her in the nude, but for the advertisement for this particular company (Ispanema) it wasn't done. Nudity is just as much apart of these indigenous people of the Amazon lives as much as there own existence, which is truly only one aspect of their lives that can be express as well, within these advertisements of these shoes.

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So I will leave this up to you my fellow member to CFF forum to judge for yourself from the short video clip I install and of course the couple of photos that I also posted onto this topic as well.

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Please click video clips here, to watch a short docermentry of the trip by Gisele Bundchen.

[whitestokes]

Hey NudonyII, remember when I mention earlier about the novel book called LIFE-ONE: Love story beyond space time, written by John Doan, well I never would have imagine a fashion designer one day would literally come up with the same fashion sense as to what John Doan sketch up to describe the inhabitants of the planet Life-One within his novel. Well in Lugansk a city within the Ukraine, one young fashion designer put on a fashion show with some university students as participants and spectators to present a series of clothing line that was strikingly similar to what John Doan sketches out within his book. Although and like I mention earlier the reason for the style of dress for that John Doan was trying explain with the society of the inhabitants of his fictional planet of Life-One, was that when the main character of the books crash landed upon it he found out that nudity upon this world was treated as open and unashamed as it was naturally normal.

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Well, I don't know if this Ukrainian fashion designer knew anything of John Doan art sketches from his book LIFE-ONE: Love story beyond space time, but the comparison are to close for comfort of John Doan sketches to these fashion designs. However this is only my opinion on what I see, maybe it is seen different by others. So I have posted photos of this fashion show within the Ukraine and once of John Doan art sketches to show the similarity.


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Whitestokes






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[REMITROM]

In theorizing about fashion in a clothes-free society the comparison should never be made to what occurs in current nudist society.

Choices made in what clothing to wear in textile society, as has been already mentioned, has a major sexual/mating/survival of the species component. Nudist resorts, as family oriented businesses, actively discourage body art and jewelery which have a similar effect (if not motive) as textile clothing choices and have (mostly in the past) adopted policies to discriminate against single male members. In sum, current nudist ethos overtly attempts to desexualize the nude experience.

Therefore, in a true clothes-free future society something would replace clothes as fashion and would meet that sexual/mating/survival of the species component as sure as there were little green apples in the Garden of Eden. :-)

David Mortimer

[NudonyII]

Well, I don't know if this Ukrainian fashion designer knew anything of John Doan art sketches from his book LIFE-ONE: Love story beyond space time, but the comparison are to close for comfort of John Doan sketches to these fashion designs.
Whitestokes
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Interesting. There are definitely some striking similarities between the two works. It seems the Ukrainian designer went for a baroque, gypsy style as opposed to futuristic. But aside from the stylistic differences, the central idea behind the two is very much similar.

[whitestokes]

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Interesting. There are definitely some striking similarities between the two works. It seems the Ukrainian designer went for a baroque, gypsy style as opposed to futuristic. But aside from the stylistic differences, the central idea behind the two is very much similar.


Well it took me some time with all of the Google searching and also some translations from Ukrainian/Russian to English, but I did manage to find some more information about this particular fashion designer from the Ukraine. To which his name is <b>Michael Kopteva</b> and he is pretty much of an artist with the particular style of fashion that he creates, whereas he has put on many of these fashion runway shows to showcase his fashion art throughout the Ukraine. The title of his fashion show exhibits are called "<BIG><b>Orchid</b></BIG>" and his designs of painted bodies with certain areas of what other fashion designer would naturally cover over, Michael Kopteva believes in just the opposite of thinking free minded of a body acceptance society that he tries to display with the styles of fashion that he creates.


Now what makes Michael Kopteva fashion philosophy extremely similar John Doan book is that the people on the planet Life-One within that novel believe in that very same thing. Although, in reality we know all to well that no one could really walk down the public street wearing any of Michael Kopteva, Stefan Monzon, Hussein Chalayan and even Finkelbaum fashion concepts clothing styles that I have posted earlier in this topic, but I believe only in a free body culture these concepts of fashion could and would be embrace.


In theorizing about fashion in a clothes-free society the comparison should never be made to what occurs in current nudist society.

Choices made in what clothing to wear in textile society, as has been already mentioned, has a major sexual/mating/survival of the species component. Nudist resorts, as family oriented businesses, actively discourage body art and jewelery which have a similar effect (if not motive) as textile clothing choices and have (mostly in the past) adopted policies to discriminate against single male members. In sum, current nudist ethos overtly attempts to desexualize the nude experience.

Therefore, in a true clothes-free future society something would replace clothes as fashion and would meet that sexual/mating/survival of the species component as sure as there were little green apples in the Garden of Eden. :-)

David Mortimer

Nevertheless, this is just theories of a possible scenario; we really don’t know what could be the case with our naturally instinct of individuality maybe, if nudity was accepted on a world wide scale. The only true example that we can really take illustration of would be the many, indigenous tribes around the world that still incorporate nudity within the culture societies, but also have a sense of individuality to wear certain attire (even though they are still consider nude) to express their own individualism. Basically it will be still a sense of fashion, because in such a clothes free society it could revert to the photograph art of Michael J Berkowitz of the concepts of just wearing jewelry of a sense of identity.

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Whitestokes

[Fitz1980]

I like the woman with the body pearls, I guess you could call them. I always have liked body jewelry epically when combined with nudity. When I go to the nude beach/resort I will often wear a hat, shark tooth necklace and nothing else.

[whitestokes]

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I like the woman with the body pearls, I guess you could call them. I always have liked body jewelry epically when combined with nudity. When I go to the nude beach/resort I will often wear a hat, shark tooth necklace and nothing else.



Yes Fitz, I like these pictures as well which is why I use them as an example for this issue towards fashion and nudity, but a society or a culture that incorporated nudity within their way of life will automatically express their individuality with some form of body decoration. Just like with the example of the primitive Brazilian native that mention many times throughout this topic, but our own so call civilize modern society have categorize these primitive cultures that have open nudity integrated into their lifestyle as being uncivilized to say the least.

However in some cases, there are some fashion designers who have tried to push the two together of fashion and nudity, such as with the fashion designers that I have mention throughout this topic. Even mainstream designers every now in then have tried this incorporation of mixing the two together, such as with Christian Dior with one particular dress that he design. Model by fashion model Shalom Harlow, a dress that I think you the reader see for yourself with the photos and video clip that I have added here.

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whitestokes

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[Pumpkinpie]

I Like The Amazon Brazilian native wearing body jewelry look if there are a function or costume party at any resorts I would choose one to wear besides I wear jewelry, you can wear it like a Halloween costume if it was Halloween only then I would wear.

[whitestokes]

I Like The Amazon Brazilian native wearing body jewelry look if there are a function or costume party at any resorts I would choose one to wear besides I wear jewelry, you can wear it like a Halloween costume if it was Halloween only then I would wear.

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Let’s just say hypothetically that our modernize society was base on an openness form of nude tolerance, whereas with the warmer weather or climate areas of our planet nudity will be more comfortable to go by or even within the areas where it is not so convenient, if you add in the effect of our modernize technology of central heating and air conditioning systems, indoor nudity can also be possible. Would the human nature of our society still seek out some form of individual personal identity in an unclothed society, but better yet the real question would be how could anyone even theorize that kind of scenario when it doesn’t exist?

Well the answer should be somewhat simple to solve, by using the examples of small primitive pocket societies around the world that are pretty much untouched by the effect of wearing clothing for indecency or modesty purposes, other then the reason for warmth or protection. So for this particular topic of nudity and fashion, by me using the example of the indigenous native Indians tribes of the Amazonian rain forest was my means of connecting the link between nudity and fashion. Whereas the whole bases of fashion anyway is that human nature of us will seek out an individual personal identity, basically to look and feel different from others even we all have different body type anyway.

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Whitestokes
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[HabaneroSting]

My view of Naturism is that you are free to be as nude as you want to be. It's not about showing body parts, but no body part is different than the others. I don't see Naturism as exhibitionism, but at the same time the body is a beautiful thing and don't see any harm in being proud of it. As far as the photos shown, many of the people are clothed. They just have different parts clothed than the western world traditionally does. What is the difference in being 5% clothed with a bathing suit on and being 5% clothed wearing only a hat and shoes? You have different parts covered, but have the same amount of clothing on.

[Pumpkinpie]

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Let’s just say hypothetically that our modernize society was base on an openness form of nude tolerance, whereas with the warmer weather or climate areas of our planet nudity will be more comfortable to go by or even within the areas where it is not so convenient, if you add in the effect of our modernize technology of central heating and air conditioning systems, indoor nudity can also be possible. Would the human nature of our society still seek out some form of individual personal identity in an unclothed society, but better yet the real question would be how could anyone even theorize that kind of scenario when it doesn’t exist?

Well the answer should be somewhat simple to solve, by using the examples of small primitive pocket societies around the world that are pretty much untouched by the effect of wearing clothing for indecency or modesty purposes, other then the reason for warmth or protection. So for this particular topic of nudity and fashion, by me using the example of the indigenous native Indians tribes of the Amazonian rain forest was my means of connecting the link between nudity and fashion. Whereas the whole bases of fashion anyway is that human nature of us will seek out an individual personal identity, basically to look and feel different from others even we all have different body type anyway.

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Whitestokes
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I was stating that if their was any function I will use as costume if require the pearls or beads look its just right not to much clothes wearing or just be my self natural, I am aware of the traditional backgrounds and I know about the natives tradition I am native mixed with other,if the world was clothes free better for me but it's not, except for the winter I will wear clothes sorry even with layers of clothing my bones cant take the cold I do respect all traditional backgrounds with or without clothing.

[whitestokes]

My view of Naturism is that you are free to be as nude as you want to be. It's not about showing body parts, but no body part is different than the others. I don't see Naturism as exhibitionism, but at the same time the body is a beautiful thing and don't see any harm in being proud of it. As far as the photos shown, many of the people are clothed. They just have different parts clothed than the western world traditionally does. What is the difference in being 5% clothed with a bathing suit on and being 5% clothed wearing only a hat and shoes? You have different parts covered, but have the same amount of clothing on.


I think you have pick up the wrong point of what the intention of this particular topic is all about or to what issue that I (the starter of this topic) was trying to bring up as a topic of conversation. So first of all, just to let you know <b><i>HabaneroSting</i></b> that this topic is “NOT” intentionally related to the nudist lifestyle and the concepts of naturism as you started your reply off with, but of the subject matter of nudity itself. Although I will say that topic does have two parts within it though, one of them is the main focus of which I was trying to convey with the Fashion Designer, pretty much what you are commenting on about most of the photos on and then the short part of this topic of the comments of me and NakedGary comparing the individual identity that what you, me and every other naturists could do by wearing a simple thing such as a hat. Fashion is nothing but a personal identity, even though we as naturists wear little or nothing at all, there are some naturist who choose to wear something as insignificant as a favorite sport team logo ball cap, for a form of individual identity to express themselves with that item.
So in this topic please don’t try to compare what the textile world is doing to naturism itself especially with what these fashion designs create. The meaning and the philosophy of naturism is the enjoyment of social nude recreation with likeminded individual and same with this topic as well.