When is a sexual organ a sexual organ

[eaglepeakpete]

It seems that in many places a nude women is accepted because her sexual organs are not visible so no laws are broken.Although her breasts may display some sexaul arousal.

Surely the same must apply to men, while naked and not erect the the body is normal and unsexual.

Only when the male has an erection can the penis could be counted as a sexual organ but only then.

Its not illegal to put you tongue out is it, sometimes thats a sexual organ.

Seems reasonable to me any comments?

[WNYjoe24]

It seems that in many places a nude women is accepted because her sexual organs are not visible so no laws are broken.Although her breasts may display some sexaul arousal.

Surely the same must apply to men, while naked and not erect the the body is normal and unsexual.

Only when the male has an erection can the penis could be counted as a sexual organ but only then.

Its not illegal to put you tongue out is it, sometimes thats a sexual organ.

Seems reasonable to me any comments?

I see your points, but disagree. The penis is a sexual organ. The breasts or tongue or (pick a body part) can cause arousal or be used sexually. But it misses the bigger point: SO WHAT?
First of all, sex is not bad.
Secondly, Everything in it's own time and place.
I am not advocating open sex on the streets. But it is about time we get past this Victorian, "fake biblical" ideal that sex is bad. It is a natural part of life.
I think the biggest reason we see so much about it in the movies and everything is because of the amount that some people can not get it in a loving relationship and they think they need to find it anywhere else they can. If we stopped making sex a mysterious, "bad" thing, and become mature adults, I think we can go on so much further.

Joe

[jon71]

Are we using the word sexual to be synonymous with reproductive? If "sexual" means giving or receiving sexual pleasure then almost the entire body could be a "sexual organ". If it means "reproductive" then we're only talking about the penis and vagina and nothing else.

[HaroldTheNudist]

I see your points, but disagree. The penis is a sexual organ. The breasts or tongue or (pick a body part) can cause arousal or be used sexually. But it misses the bigger point: SO WHAT?
First of all, sex is not bad.
Secondly, Everything in it's own time and place.
I am not advocating open sex on the streets. But it is about time we get past this Victorian, "fake biblical" ideal that sex is bad. It is a natural part of life.
I think the biggest reason we see so much about it in the movies and everything is because of the amount that some people can not get it in a loving relationship and they think they need to find it anywhere else they can. If we stopped making sex a mysterious, "bad" thing, and become mature adults, I think we can go on so much further.

Joe

I agree totally. as a nudist I really have no problem with open sex. those that do, I suggest you actually watch people having sex. its not that bad. there have been no problems with open sex and nudist functions I've been to.

Harry

[MoonShadow]

Of course not, Harold. There is nothing wrong with open-sex at nudist functions or any other location but to do it in view of other people is utterly tacky. If you want open-sex, do it away from other people. I personally find people who do this to be totally lacking respect for the beauty of the sexual act and instead make it an exhibit for others to see who may or may not want to.

[eaglepeakpete]

I see your points, but disagree. The penis is a sexual organ. The breasts or tongue or (pick a body part) can cause arousal or be used sexually. But it misses the bigger point: SO WHAT?
First of all, sex is not bad.
Secondly, Everything in it's own time and place.
I am not advocating open sex on the streets. But it is about time we get past this Victorian, "fake biblical" ideal that sex is bad. It is a natural part of life.
I think the biggest reason we see so much about it in the movies and everything is because of the amount that some people can not get it in a loving relationship and they think they need to find it anywhere else they can. If we stopped making sex a mysterious, "bad" thing, and become mature adults, I think we can go on so much further.

Joe

I dont agree,the penis is an organ used for other things besides sex and as such is a normal body part,it only becomes a sex organ when erect for the sex act.

[nimrod]

The penis is allways a reproductive organ, erection or not, a vagina is allways a reproductive organ whether it has a penis in it or not. Labeling something as sexual is semantics. In the mornings I will have an erection that does not have anything at all to do with sex, is it then sexual? Not to me, the only thing I am thinking of then is the fact that I have to pee.

If you want to call it a sex organ, yes it is allways a sex organ because it defines your sex as male, it does not have to be erect for you to be a man, though many might think so.

[Baron Lake]

I think it depends upon who is playing it and where. Oh yeah. I think the music makes a difference too.

b.l.

[Ken Palmer]

Excellent point here WNYjoe24! We need to leave it alone and grow up. This is something we,as Americans, have always made a big deal of while the Europeans and Asians don't.

Ken Palmer




I see your points, but disagree. The penis is a sexual organ. The breasts or tongue or (pick a body part) can cause arousal or be used sexually. But it misses the bigger point: SO WHAT?
First of all, sex is not bad.
Secondly, Everything in it's own time and place.
I am not advocating open sex on the streets. But it is about time we get past this Victorian, "fake biblical" ideal that sex is bad. It is a natural part of life.
I think the biggest reason we see so much about it in the movies and everything is because of the amount that some people can not get it in a loving relationship and they think they need to find it anywhere else they can. If we stopped making sex a mysterious, "bad" thing, and become mature adults, I think we can go on so much further.

Joe

[HaroldTheNudist]

Of course not, Harold. There is nothing wrong with open-sex at nudist functions or any other location but to do it in view of other people is utterly tacky. If you want open-sex, do it away from other people. I personally find people who do this to be totally lacking respect for the beauty of the sexual act and instead make it an exhibit for others to see who may or may not want to.

Moonshadow

I know of nudists who actually support their children watching open sex and nudist resorts. they feel that it puts their children more in tune with their whole beings and that sex is a beautiful thing. some have also told me that seeing it "live" since their kids are gonna have sex anyway makes them better lovers.

what beauty!

as nudists I feel we should not deny the obvious sexual reference in nudism. I've seen guys get turned on looking at a attractive naked girl.

I think too many here are trying to pull the wool over Stu2630's eyes that nudism has nothing to do about sex.

we need to be honest. lots of people are into nudism as a form of exhibitionism, voyeurism and in the hopes of scoring.

Harry

[MoonShadow]

Harold, you will not like what I am going to say next but your last posting is not one from a true nudist. Nudists do not want to be at resorts where couple(s) are having open sex for all to view including children.

You want to show your children the beauty of couples having intercourse then do it in the privacy of your own home. To come here and boast how wonderful it is in public among strangers means nothing other than you are an exhibitionist and voyeur. And you promote this as what the nudist lifestyle is about!

You may call those you "hang" with, Nudists. They are really just people who like to get naked, have open sex, and from what else I gather open drug use. Sorry, but this ain't the nudist lifestyle; it is your lifestyle so don't try to blend the two. You want to go out with others who enjoy being naked and display your sexual talents and whathaveyou, have at it. The nudist lifestyle is NOT about exhibitionism and voyeurism. You want to confuse the two and then call yourself a "nudist". Nope, you are someone who just likes being naked and being in sexually active groups. Different lifestyle!

[nacktman]

Interesting posts here.

What I have noticed is that no one so far has got the right idea as to what is or isn't a "sexual organ".
Here's a clue ... the Genitalia are not "sexual organs".

The only "sexual organ" in or on the body of a human is the Brain.
The rest are mechanical means facilitators, which without the brain are worthless as regards to sex.

Open sexual acts are fine if that is what you desire but they have no place within the nudist community as a whole.
I do not wish to observe someone 'going at it like rabbits' on the middle of the volleyball court in the middle of the afternoon ... if they wish to engage in the horizontal mambo in their tent at 4 in the afternoon then so be it.

If you desire to have sex with an audience or to view sex from within an audience then I suggest you gain employment at any of the clubs were that is a requirement or that you frequent such clubs depending on whether you desire to be a viewer or a viewee.

As MoonShadow stated do not call yourself a Nudist because you are not.
Take the time to learn what Nudism is.
You can like being nude and like having public sex but that is what is termed a swinger not a nudist.

[MoonShadow]

You are spot on, nacktman!

The human brain is indeed the true sex organ. Without it, there would be no stimulus anywhere on the human body.

[nimrod]

Harold, drop the nudist it is very obvious that you are not one.

[JeepNude]

Two points. First, the disclaimer- I admit, I am naive about a lot of this because of my nudist upbringing. So, you people that have not been nudists since birth can probably find many ways to disagree with me. I am not saying my opinion is correct, I am just saying my opinion is my opinion. I certainly respect yours as well!

1. Until a penis is being used for sex, it is just some skin. Your body is made of organic tissue and covered with this amazing, miraculous outer layer. The very act of sex can be done with various parts of the body (I won't go into details) but the act of using that body part in a sex act, during that act is when it becomes a sexual 'organ'. Until then, it's just some skin covered organic material.

One might try to argue that testicles are sexual organs no matter what because of their contents. However, I need to remind you that testicles are covered by skin, and that skin is not a sexual organ. A scrotum is no more sexual than elbow skin. UNTIL it is in the process of doing a sexual act.

2. Harold- You are WAY over the top, man!! Between a married man and woman, I believe that sex is beautiful, as long as it remains within the sanctity of that married couple. As soon as the act becomes 'public', it is nasty. People who expose their children to live sex acts should be prosecuted!

[xLOUx]

Harold,

I can't think of a reason for someone to mention the things you said. I don't really want to argue, but I would suggest to read some psychology books about human development. Being nude is natural to all humans and that is changed after birth. Children shouldn't be exposed to many things and sex is one of them. I also think that sexual activity should be kept intimate. The purpose of sex is to reproduce, so why showing a kid about it when their minds and body is not ready? Only sick people or people without sane judgment do such things.

It is disgusting and highly offensive to hear someone say something like what you wrote. I think it shows who you really are and your level of education. I may be out of place by saying this, but I needed to share my opinion just like you shared yours. There's people smarter than you and me that study human behavior and development. I'm a fanatic of science and a former psychology student. From my short experience in that field, I would agree that you are NOT a nudist at all; and that you need serious help.

Just my opinion,
Lou

[HaroldTheNudist]

Guys

I am just saying what I've seen and know. I've seen these things at nudist beaches I've went to.

if you haven't well I guess you must travel completely different circles than I, or just are in denial.

just because I dont subscribe to your "philosphy" doesnt make me a non nudist or if these others dont-and they certainly DO NOT-doesnt make them less of a nudist either.

Stu2630 isn't dumb but he's too gentlemanly to say what he probably suspects that there are guys out there who like to show off their goods. We all know that. why do you think there are so many males vs females involved in nudism? resorts actually have to restrict males? Cmon let's be serious.

we see topics all the time here about shaving, erections, lots of guys like posting their pictures. arguments about the right to expose oneself in public is a common one as well. lots here want to do nude modelling because they are nude. If they werent exposing their goods I doubt they would be all that interested.

I just admit what people all ready know, and Im not afraid to say it.

Harry

[Sanslines]

Of course not, Harold. There is nothing wrong with open-sex at nudist functions or any other location but to do it in view of other people is utterly tacky. If you want open-sex, do it away from other people. I personally find people who do this to be totally lacking respect for the beauty of the sexual act and instead make it an exhibit for others to see who may or may not want to.

Very true indeed!

Nudism, Open Sex, and Drug Usage are entirely separate things. Nudism has nothing to do with open sex or drug usage as any REAL nudist would readily understand.

[EricNY]

I just admit what people all ready know, and Im not afraid to say it.

Harry

I have to you are completely wrong. Anyone that thinks that sex and nudity are related has no idea about naturism.

That said; Harold you are NOT a naturist at all. In fact you are against naturism as we are trying to promote and enjoy. In fact I am well aware that you are not even named Harold or Harry. You are not from Wisconson, you live in Canada, most likely Winnipeg. You have also been banned from this forum in the past. In fact the email you used was created minutes before registering as a member of these forums and was created just for that reason....... Is that right John...er umm "Harry"

You are here to cause problems just like you did in the past. I suggest that you follow the advice given to you recently in this thread and seek some help and counseling for your issues, phobias, fears, and delusional ideas of the world.

I am banning you again and I will be watching very closely for new registrations, so I would suggest you just move on and go "CYBERSTALK" elsewhere.

To everyone else: Sorry for the interruption and I apologize for allowing this person to corrupt our site.

[WacoTX]

Thank you ercNY

[Naturist Mark]

When is a sexual organ a sexual organ?

I think the Hammond B3 is a very sexy organ.

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[Skinview]

I don't intend to defend Harry here, and I have no idea what his history here has been, but I think you guys are over reacting a bit. I wouldn't have open sex at a naturist site, just as I would not go nude on a public street sidewalk in Burlington, Vermont. Many people don't want to see it, and mixing sex with nudism makes it all the more difficult to win public acceptance of nudism, and drives off other nudists. Its bad for nudism. But statements that "genitalia are not sexual organs" are goofy denialism. Nudism is not about sex for many of us, very true, but who can say why other people choose to take their clothes off in front of other people? We know that it has happened that some have engaged in behaviour at nudist locations that other nudists don't want to see, but its not very different in principle than going nude in textile locations. Nudists expose sexual organs to public view, and a few people have exposed sexual activity to public view. Opposition to either happens because people are freaked out about sex. I don't think public sexual activity is inherently bad, its just goes against our culture, and it is bad politics for nudism. If Harold likes to be nude, he is a nudist. If he wants to advocate more than that, he is guilty of being unhelpful to nudism. So is Stu. So what.

[EricNY]

Skinview.....Believe me we were not hard enough on him. First off he is basically saying that all of us are interested in children. Only a sick mind would suggest such a thing.

Secondly he has a long history here and has logged in under multiple different alias. He has even claimed to be "under cover" before and trying to track down the scourge of naturism. Even if that was true which I doubt due to his tactics. We can weed out our own and self police this site.

Rest assured the steps taken were very lienent. If I see more from him I will encourage CFI to turn over emails and IP's which we have on record to the authorities in Canada.

[Skinview]

Skinview.....Believe me we were not hard enough on him. First off he is basically saying that all of us are interested in children. Only a sick mind would suggest such a thing.I didn't see that in this thread. If he said that elsewhere, I would certainly condemn it. I did read his post about open sex and children. Its not something I would have written, but not over the top, IMHO. I read a post of his on another thread where he said nudists are underachievers, and I wasn't too happy about that.

Secondly he has a long history here and has logged in under multiple different alias. He has even claimed to be "under cover" before and trying to track down the scourge of naturism. Even if that was true which I doubt due to his tactics. We can weed out our own and self police this site.

Rest assured the steps taken were very lienent. If I see more from him I will encourage CFI to turn over emails and IP's which we have on record to the authorities in Canada.
If thats him, of course we don't want him here. Anyway, you know more about him than I.

[Sanslines]

If Harold likes to be nude, he is a nudist. If he wants to advocate more than that, he is guilty of being unhelpful to nudism. So is Stu. So what.

There is a huge difference between someone who likes to get nude and someone who likes to get naked. There is also a huge difference between someone who ONLY likes to get harmlessly nude and someone who insists upon associating nudism with open sex and drug abuse. Regardless of how REAL nudists feel about open sex or drug abuse, they certainly will not openly promote it or associate with it. Those who are confused about what REAL nudism is all about should start reading the AANR bulletin or TNS magazine N.

[Bob S.]

"Harold" is not a nudist no matter what the person says. This is one of its MOs. Come pretending to be a nudist and then talk bad about nudists. Do a search for "Rocket" in these forums. That was its second incarnation after being banned as "Sandy" before. This person has been banned more than ten times from these forums and is not welcome back at all.

Stu is much different. He is a debater and does not come here under any false pretenses. What you see is what you get with him.

Bob S.
moderator

[Sanslines]

Stu is much different. He is a debater and does not come here under any false pretenses. What you see is what you get with him.



The problem with anyone on line is that you don't 'see' the person and so it is easy to misinterpret. However, Stu has been at least consistent in his anti nudity message for over at least the past 5 years.

[nakedjohn]

A sexual organ is a sexual organ if it is used a sexual way.

[WilliamCA]

I agree totally. as a nudist I really have no problem with open sex. those that do, I suggest you actually watch people having sex. its not that bad. there have been no problems with open sex and nudist functions I've been to.

Harry

Whenever I read a statement like this I am reminded of these lines in Dogma:

Look at sex. Sex is funny. One time I asked Him why you people had to look
so stupid while procreating. He said if you didn't, you'd do it all the
time, just for fun.

But we do.

I know. And you all look so damn stupid doing it. It kills us upstairs.


Sex is a joke in Heaven?

The way I understand it, it's mostly a joke down here too.



WilliamCA

[fre2bnude]

A sexual organ is a sexual organ if it is used a sexual way.

A sexual organ is always a sexual organ even when not being used for sexual activity. It's pretty obvious when, in the case of a male, it's ready to be used for that activity. But surely it's still a sex organ even when not ready for sex and is then normally accepted to be seen.
The female is luckier in that her genitalia are hidden from view, unless they go out of their way to display them, whereas the male is always on view.

[Naturist4Ever]

Strange discussion: many organs have more than 1 function, including the penis. To call the vagina a sex organ is pushing the limits, it may be sexual for many and play an important role during sex, but that's about it. Many organs play an essential role in reproduction, including those distant from these two body parts. As the essence of life IS reproduction, to me the whole body might just as well be called a sex organ. Think about it!

I can't comment about the history of Harold but he has a very good point about the seeming motivation of why many people (read men) are into it (nudism), and ignoring/denying this is just putting your head in the sand. Stu is a nutter in disguise. His so-called relation with his nudity is the opposite extreme from Harold, equally alienating.

[Oldman]

"Harold" is not a nudist no matter what the person says. This is one of its MOs. Come pretending to be a nudist and then talk bad about nudists. Do a search for "Rocket" in these forums. That was its second incarnation after being banned as "Sandy" before. This person has been banned more than ten times from these forums and is not welcome back at all.

Stu is much different. He is a debater and does not come here under any false pretenses. What you see is what you get with him.

Bob S.
moderator

I remember when he showed up on NudeCanadian with the username "BOB S"

Rocket *** Sandy has been trolling for years.

[walter05]

babies are born via the vagina also.

Obviously, this is a reproductive function. However, it is not sexual.

[Pete Knight]

babies are born via the vagina also.

Obviously, this is a reproductive function. However, it is not sexual.
Except at the time of conception as the depository for and the means by which to deliver the sperm to the eggs, so yes the vagina is a sex organ.

Pete Knight

[Naturist4Ever]

Seems we have drifted into semantics. With "that's about it" I meant that the role isn't essential, compared to for example the womb. The nipple isn't essential either. So I disagree.

>> I remember when he showed up on NudeCanadian with the username "BOB S"

ROTFLMAO

[Bob S.]

Naturist4Ever: "As the essence of life IS reproduction, to me the whole body might just as well be called a sex organ. Think about it!"

That is correct, N4E. The skin is the largest organ of the human body and it is extremely sensitive during sex in many places. Some people have a foot fetish, so to them the foot is a very sexual part of the body. There have been studies done where it was discovered that a woman who is in her fertile period has subtle changes in her body to look more attractive.

Naturist4Ever: "but he has a very good point about the seeming motivation of why many people (read men) are into it (nudism), and ignoring/denying this is just putting your head in the sand."

There are many reasons why more men get into nudism. The ones who are in it for the sexual kick are generally weeded out of organized nudism and are usually the naked harassers at the nude beaches. The upbringing of girls and the sexualization of women play a greater role in why so much fewer women get into nudism than looking at men and figuring out why so many more than women get into nudism.

Oldman: "I remember when he showed up on NudeCanadian with the username "BOB S""

:rolleyes: Not just there. Also on nudist-resorts.org even though I had the same name (It used BobS--no space while I had Bob S--space between. It also trolled using my real first and last name at Netnude for about two days, jeopordizing my membeship at a nudist park. For some reason, It has taken to stalking me, hence me calling the person Cyberstalker.

Bob S.

[Oldman]

Oldman: "I remember when he showed up on NudeCanadian with the username "BOB S""

:rolleyes: Not just there. Also on nudist-resorts.org even though I had the same name (It used BobS--no space while I had Bob S--space between. It also trolled using my real first and last name at Netnude for about two days, jeopordizing my membeship at a nudist park. For some reason, It has taken to stalking me, hence me calling the person Cyberstalker.

Bob S.

His stalking may be a result of the manhandling he recieved from you and I during his trolling attacks on the AANR youth camps in your state.
He was pretty vicious then, accusing you and I of supporting and being inclined to pedophilia. Haven't seen him around lately. But then, I go months between visits to any of the forums. I only get to go online from November through to the end of March.

[Fresh Air]

It seems that in many places a nude women is accepted because her sexual organs are not visible so no laws are broken.Although her breasts may display some sexaul arousal.

Surely the same must apply to men, while naked and not erect the the body is normal and unsexual.

Only when the male has an erection can the penis could be counted as a sexual organ but only then.

Its not illegal to put you tongue out is it, sometimes thats a sexual organ.

Seems reasonable to me any comments?

the thing that makes any organ sexual is using it, or allowing it to be displayed in a sexual way or for sexual reasons. I think that is what makes a sexual organ, and I tend to think that the body is just a vector for the mind.

Nobody is going to frown upon innocence or accident, but certainly anyone should feel free to frown upon a lack of discretion and social appropriateness and respect.

[Running Bear]

I have reviewed this thread and an earlier poster confirmed my opinion. The only sexual organ is the mind. The other parts of the body are purely facilitators. This supports the idea that sex is the intent not the action. An erection is not sexual until the intent is to facilitate said erection.

In yoga we define 5 sheaths. Bliss (self), wisdom (thought), mind (emotion), energy and physical. Sex mainly occurs in the manomayakosha sheath or mind. However, most activities also affect all other layers. Sex does have an energy component, a physical component and a blissful component. We also have the wisdom to understand sex.

The skin is our largest organ and is how we experience our environment so by definition must be our largest sexual organ. The sight of a fellow naturist is pleasing to the eye and this works on our emotions and mind. We then react in a physical way and if the earth moves I need say little about the bliss sheath.

I define sex (perhaps the words sexual attraction) here as the mutual attraction between two human beings. This can apply to same sex and different sex. The sexual act is a result of that attraction and can lead to reproduction or just remain at the pleasure level.Two men 'bulldogging' are creating a sexual display even though babies are unlikely.One can also have the narcissus syndrome where one is sexualy pleased with oneself.

[Pete Knight]

I have reviewed this thread and an earlier poster confirmed my opinion. The only sexual organ is the mind. The other parts of the body are purely facilitators. This supports the idea that sex is the intent not the action. An erection is not sexual until the intent is to facilitate said erection.


Blimey Graham, for once I agree with you! Yes he is right, the body has no sexual function until the mind decides it wants to use the body for sexual purposes, this is best seen in men where a state of sexual readiness is apparent. As we guys know, we have no control over our reactions to an attractive person, I'm sure we've all been in the situation where we see lots of naked people and have no reaction whatsoever, but occasionally someone comes along and that spark of attraction sets us looking for our towels.

The moment you meet someone that gets your chemistry going, you feel a rush of blood, your senses tingle and you have absolutely no control over it, your mind is taking control of your body and preparing it for a sexual response. I'm sure the ladies can relate to this, even if they have no visibly apparent responses.

Pete Knight

[Running Bear]

Blimey Graham, for once I agree with you!
Pete Knight
Great minds think alike :-)

[Pete Knight]

Great minds think alike :-)

Fools seldom differ! :p

[zydeco]

From my experience it seems that it is quite permissable to display sex organs within the naturist society. I have always found it comfortable. Not erect though but ladies who were shaved did not create a problem. The naked body is a wonderful thing and we are all different which makes it so interesting.
It is not that all are placid as some have sexual intent as I have experienced when in the old Yugoslavia on a naturist holiday. But even this approach was done discretely and not publicly.

[Bob S.]

Running Bear: "The only sexual organ is the mind. The other parts of the body are purely facilitators. This supports the idea that sex is the intent not the action. An erection is not sexual until the intent is to facilitate said erection."

Bear, I totally agree with you. The brain is the most important sexual organ. If you want to get technical, the penis is not an organ, it is merely a sperm delivery facilitator. The testes are and urethra are the organs that are surrounded by the scrotum and penis shaft and glans. For women, the labia are not sexual organs (and this has been proven in a Maine case).

If only the law would accept that no sexual organs are showing when one is naked. If someone else can see your sexual organs, you have a serious problem that involves a gaping wound.

Bob S.

[new_nudist83]

the thing that makes any organ sexual is using it, or allowing it to be displayed in a sexual way or for sexual reasons. I think that is what makes a sexual organ, and I tend to think that the body is just a vector for the mind.

Nobody is going to frown upon innocence or accident, but certainly anyone should feel free to frown upon a lack of discretion and social appropriateness and respect.

I have to agree with Fresh Air and the others that followed him with the line of posts that say the ultimate sexual organ is the mind, because the mind controls what happens with the body. A penis or vagina does not become a sexual organ until we meet someone that causes other chemical reactions in the brain and body.

Just my humble opinion.

[Pumpkinpie]

I for one believes theirs a time and place for everything, having sex on the beach in front of kids is not what naturism is about.
"Naturism is a way of life in harmony with nature stability of the human body,mind, spirit, respect for oneself, respect for others and for the environment."
"Harold" you don't have a clue about naturism "YOU ARE CLUELESS"

[Nude in the North]

I use my penis for it's basic function 10 to 15 times a day. That function is to Urinate.
That isn't a sexual activity, and not a part of any reproductive function.
Thus in it's normal state and normal use it is not a Sex organ.

It does double as a REPRODUCTIVE organ from time to time.
But far less than 10 to 15 times a day.

And for Harry and those that think like him/her.
Just because someone takes their clothes off at a club or on a beach , it doesn't make them a nudist. A lot of people that arn't nudists take advantage of the nudist venues for the wrong reasons. That's why nudists have to fight so hard to hold on to the little freedom we have, and weed out the rest.
Take your swinging and your open sex and your voyerism and your exhibitionism and all your other junk somewhere else. Nudists just want to be able to enjoy a beach or pool without having to spend the day in a soggy swimsuit. We just want to feel the sun on our skin and enjoy a few hours without shame or ridicule.

[walter05]

Naturist4Ever was not able to come up with a non-sexual function for a vagina. I was mentioning and important one.

Nude in the North;

You make a good point. I don't really think of myself as a nudist. I have no interest in simply hanging around the house nude.

However, I enjoy nude activities that I consider normal for anyone. A sauna, steam room, skinny dipping, a beach, camping, and hiking.

In this era when sex is abused and no longer primarily for sharing something special with someone else and maybe creating life, we have a new prudish outlook.

Males will not shower or change in front of other males in locker rooms. There are dividers between urinals so no other male should see something, etc.

I enjoy doing some things nude. I don't think of myself as a nudist. However, I am not a prude either. I find I have more in common with nudists.

[Running Bear]

I use my penis for it's basic function 10 to 15 times a day. That function is to Urinate.
That isn't a sexual activity, and not a part of any reproductive function.
Thus in it's normal state and normal use it is not a Sex organ.
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Your intent is quite clear however there is a flaw in your argument.
There is an aspect of fetish behaviour when urinating does become a sexual activity. Watching people urinate and being urinated upon. To some this is the height of sexuality.
It is strange that the more we discuss this the more grey it becomes :-)

[Bob S.]

Running Bear: "There is an aspect of fetish behaviour when urinating does become a sexual activity. Watching people urinate and being urinated upon. To some this is the height of sexuality."

Feet and shoes are fetishes for some. Wearing women's clothing are a fetish for some men while other clothes are fetishes for others. Each of these, however, is allowed legally in society and only becomes publicly illegal when attached to a sexual act. Anatomy is the only aspect that is illegal to show because it is only infrequently involved in the sexual act. Although this does not explain why the buttocks or the female breast are generally considered illicit to expose in public.

Bob S.

[Running Bear]

Running Bear: ...Each of these, however, is allowed legally in society and only becomes publicly illegal when attached to a sexual act. Anatomy is the only aspect that is illegal to show because it is only infrequently involved in the sexual act. ...
Bob S.
This begs the question if sheep are the object of fetish, "wow that sheep has pretty legs", is it correct that we should make sheep illegal? Our lady from Rio who is totally naked apart from a labial cover defines Rio sexuality as labia only so this suggests that everything else is non sexual? Our own naturist society defines that genitals are not sexual or illegal and certainly in the UK there is no illegal anatomy. The intent of the erection is illegal not a male erection. In naturism historically women were dirty if they opened their legs (without the intent to flash) but this is now accepted as normal.

[Borntobenude]

I use my penis for it's basic function 10 to 15 times a day. That function is to Urinate.
That isn't a sexual activity, and not a part of any reproductive function.
Thus in it's normal state and normal use it is not a Sex organ.

It does double as a REPRODUCTIVE organ from time to time.
But far less than 10 to 15 times a day.

I've said this before, that the penis is used far more often as a urinary organ than it ever is as a sexual organ. When a male is born, his penis is used for this purpose long before it's used for any sexual purposes, and a man will never use his penis in his life for sex anywhere near as much as he'll use it for urination.

[walter05]

Running Bear;

Baah! Just have the sheep put some clothes on. However, wool will not count.

Borntobenude. Many baby boys are born with erections. They learn pretty early that touching their penises feels good. Many a parent has needed to train a boy not to play with his penis in public.

If rubbing the penis for physical pleasure is a sexual experience, then many younger males use it for sexual pleasure more often than for urinating.

[Running Bear]

Running Bear;
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If rubbing the penis for physical pleasure is a sexual experience, then many younger males use it for sexual pleasure more often than for urinating.
I think we need to disassociate physical pleasure from sexual pleasure. Sex is the mind erections are physical. The young child is experiencing a physical pleasure but the mind is not thinking sex (although it could be!).

[sbt7879]

If people are going to freak out about an organ being deemed sexual, they need to get over it. How do they think people got here, by the stork?! As someone said earlier in this thread, sex is natural. It only becomes perverted in the context it is put in and if it is exploited for profit.