Waterboarding?

[usmc1]

Should the U.S. continue to use waterboarding on suspected terrorists?

[Baron Lake]

How come KirkO was allowed to vote so many times?

b.l.

[Naturist Mark]

After WWII we prosecuted Japanese officers as war criminals for waterboarding - some were sentenced to years at hard labor, others to hanging.

So my question is ... do we mete out the same punishment to the American leaders who authorize the same torture techniques ... or do we exonerate the Japanese war criminals and pay reparations to their families?

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[Journeyman]

If this form of torture has been popular since the Spanish Inquisition (according to Wikipedia), then haven't we progressed as humans since then?

[usmc1]

How come KirkO was allowed to vote so many times?

b.l.

Were one permitted to make an online diagnosis, one might suggest multiple personalities stemming from late stage schizophrenia. Since one can't, one shant. But, yet, one wonders.

So, I guess your question remains a real poser, eh what?

[EricNY]

C'mon......Not sure what you are all looking at I see one vote per person

[EricNY]

How come KirkO was allowed to vote so many times?

b.l.

Where do you see more than one post per member?

[EricNY]

Were one permitted to make an online diagnosis, one might suggest multiple personalities stemming from late stage schizophrenia. Since one can't, one shant. But, yet, one wonders.

So, I guess your question remains a real poser, eh what?

Oh it's the old "Just because you say you are not saying something, I can slip it in and say I am not saying it" TRICK

.....My aren't we sly

[usmc1]

Oh it's the old "Just because you say you are not saying something, I can slip it in and say I am not saying it" TRICK

.....My aren't we sly

Well, most assuredly. But, you can say this about that. While I have argued many issues and points here, I have never argued that I was above picking off the easy one! :o

[Baron Lake]

Geez ercNY, ya mean there are others on this forum that share kirkO's standar....err philosop...err... values?

b.l.

[KirkOntario]

42% of the forum at present.

[usmc1]

42% of the forum at present.

Wrongo Bongo, and a typical misrepresentation of the facts. Only 16 of a total of 38 persons who have voted in this poll, in this particular thread's category, of all the categories of the "forum" have voted for torture.

The majority voting in this poll, thus far, rightfully vote against torture. 58%, a clear majority, have voted against torture.

Neither for or against, represent the "forum".

And you call your self a lawyer. Hah!

[KirkOntario]

42% voted "Yes"

[nacktman]

42% voted "Yes"

Not understanding the concept again, are we?

As usmc1 stated 16 out of 38 respondents do not a 42% of the forum make.
16 out of 38 respondents makes 42% of respondents.

The United States imprisoned or hung Japanese Military officers following WW2 for waterboarding.
So, following established guidelines the United States should continue to imprison or hang those who engage in the use of waterboarding and those that encourage and support the use of waterboarding, pure and simple.

[KirkOntario]

As usmc1 stated 16 out of 38 respondents do not a 42% of the forum make.
16 out of 38 respondents makes 42% of respondents.

The United States imprisoned or hung Japanese Military officers following WW2 for waterboarding.
So, following established guidelines the United States should continue to imprison or hang those who engage in the use of waterboarding and those that encourage and support the use of waterboarding, pure and simple.

This is where liberals usually chime in with platitues about 'changing standards' 'social evolution' and 'living tree' but suddenly standards become fixed and immutable when it serves their purposes. Ha ha


Everyone on the forum has an opportunity to vote.
I'm sure the Yes vote would be much higher if it were non-public.

[nacktman]

And, still the concept eludes.

The fact that respondents identities are noted when responding has little to do with the willingness to respond or not respond nor would concealed identities have much to do with the willingness of respondents to respond or the way in which they would respond.

The majority of this poll's respondents oppose waterboading and more than likely support the penalties for its use.
The majority of people in this nation as well as the world also, oppose waterboarding and support the penalties for its use.

Still trying to pervert things to the way you want them to be instead of the way they are, I see.
Not doing too well at it, either.

[KirkOntario]

The fact that respondents identities are noted when responding has little to do with the willingness to respond or not respond nor would concealed identities have much to do with the willingness of respondents to respond or the way in which they would respond.

Except that common sense would suggest otherwise.

[EricNY]

:grouphug: GROUP HUG.......C'MON YOU KNOW YOU WANNA

[usmc1]

...Everyone on the forum has an opportunity to vote. I'm sure the Yes vote would be much higher if it were non-public.

Maybe. Maybe not, we really do not know that. I made the poll public for several very specific reasons.


Personally I abhor this cult of secrecy which permeates this administration. Tell us the truth we can handle it. The secrecy IMHO is less about security as it about covering up wrongdoing.
I believe that something as important as a survey of attitudes toward torture deserves openness.
And, I really wanted people to go "on record" one way or the other.I think your assertion that there were be more pro-torture votes if people could vote in secret is quite telling of the ilk of those who vote to affirm their belief that "suspects" should be tortured.

[nacktman]

I think your assertion that there were be more pro-torture votes if people could vote in secret is quite telling of the ilk of those who vote to affirm their belief that "suspects" should be tortured.

:applause: Hear, Hear! :applause:

[nacktman]

Nuff said ...


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[usmc1]

The poll closes soon, so I'll recap.

Of those who responded 63% are opposed to the United States continuing water boarding of suspected terrorists.

37% favor water boarding suspects.

Personally, I regard water boarding as torture. But, even if were not, it is not a practice which should be used on suspects. And, in many, instances, it is not even being used on actual suspects, but on people who may, or may not know something or the other about someone who may or may not be a suspect.

These are not known actors, they are merely suspects and acquaintances and friends of suspects. Not all suspects are guilty, and to torture them is wrong.

I'll not quibble about those from other countries voting one way or another. I think America's disgraceful behavior in this instance devalues all humanity.

Thank you to those who voted against the torture of terrorist suspects. Those who voted in favor of the barbarism, well, as I've said elsewhere, I know your ilk and will continue to stand against you.

[Boreas]

That is a truly disgusting form of "interrogation". Torture should not be part of any civilized nation's repertoire. Isn't against the Geneva convention or something.

Here I had ignored this thread because I thought it was referring to a water sport, rather like water skiing. I suppose I was thinking of wake boarding. Yeah, entirely different concept.

So, put me down as a bleeding heart, emotional liberal......waterboarding is wrong.