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nacktman
03-09-2008, 03:07 PM
From the Associated Press:

A vast array of pharmaceuticals - including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones - have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows.

To be sure, the concentrations of these pharmaceuticals are tiny, measured in quantities of parts per billion or trillion, far below the levels of a medical dose. Also, utilities insist their water is safe.


But the presence of so many prescription drugs - and over-the-counter medicines like acetaminophen and ibuprofen - in so much of our drinking water is heightening worries among scientists of long-term consequences to human health.


In the course of a five-month inquiry, the AP discovered that drugs have been detected in the drinking water supplies of 24 major metropolitan areas - from Southern California to Northern New Jersey, from Detroit to Louisville, Ky.


Water providers rarely disclose results of pharmaceutical screenings, unless pressed, the AP found. For example, the head of a group representing major California suppliers said the public "doesn't know how to interpret the information" and might be unduly alarmed.


How do the drugs get into the water?


People take pills. Their bodies absorb some of the medication, but the rest of it passes through and is flushed down the toilet. The wastewater is treated before it is discharged into reservoirs, rivers or lakes. Then, some of the water is cleansed again at drinking water treatment plants and piped to consumers. But most treatments do not remove all drug residue.


And while researchers do not yet understand the exact risks from decades of persistent exposure to random combinations of low levels of pharmaceuticals, recent studies - which have gone virtually unnoticed by the general public - have found alarming effects on human cells and wildlife.
"We recognize it is a growing concern and we're taking it very seriously," said Benjamin H. Grumbles, assistant administrator for water at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.


Members of the AP National Investigative Team reviewed hundreds of scientific reports, analyzed federal drinking water databases, visited environmental study sites and treatment plants and interviewed more than 230 officials, academics and scientists. They also surveyed the nation's 50 largest cities and a dozen other major water providers, as well as smaller community water providers in all 50 states.


Here are some of the key test results obtained by the AP:


_Officials in Philadelphia said testing there discovered 56 pharmaceuticals or byproducts in treated drinking water, including medicines for pain, infection, high cholesterol, asthma, epilepsy, mental illness and heart problems. Sixty-three pharmaceuticals or byproducts were found in the city's watersheds.


_Anti-epileptic and anti-anxiety medications were detected in a portion of the treated drinking water for 18.5 million people in Southern California.


_Researchers at the U.S. Geological Survey analyzed a Passaic Valley Water Commission drinking water treatment plant, which serves 850,000 people in Northern New Jersey, and found a metabolized angina medicine and the mood-stabilizing carbamazepine in drinking water
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_A sex hormone was detected in San Francisco's drinking water.

_The drinking water for Washington, D.C., and surrounding areas tested positive for six pharmaceuticals.

_Three medications, including an antibiotic, were found in drinking water supplied to Tucson, Ariz.


The situation is undoubtedly worse than suggested by the positive test results in the major population centers documented by the AP.


The federal government doesn't require any testing and hasn't set safety limits for drugs in water. Of the 62 major water providers contacted, the drinking water for only 28 was tested. Among the 34 that haven't: Houston, Chicago, Miami, Baltimore, Phoenix, Boston and New York City's Department of Environmental Protection, which delivers water to 9 million people.
Some providers screen only for one or two pharmaceuticals, leaving open the possibility that others are present.


The AP's investigation also indicates that watersheds, the natural sources of most of the nation's water supply, also are contaminated. Tests were conducted in the watersheds of 35 of the 62 major providers surveyed by the AP, and pharmaceuticals were detected in 28.


Yet officials in six of those 28 metropolitan areas said they did not go on to test their drinking water - Fairfax, Va.; Montgomery County in Maryland; Omaha, Neb.; Oklahoma City; Santa Clara, Calif., and New York City.
The New York state health department and the USGS tested the source of the city's water, upstate. They found trace concentrations of heart medicine, infection fighters, estrogen, anti-convulsants, a mood stabilizer and a tranquilizer.
City water officials declined repeated requests for an interview. In a statement, they insisted that "New York City's drinking water continues to meet all federal and state regulations regarding drinking water quality in the watershed and the distribution system" - regulations that do not address trace pharmaceuticals.


In several cases, officials at municipal or regional water providers told the AP that pharmaceuticals had not been detected, but the AP obtained the results of tests conducted by independent researchers that showed otherwise. For example, water department officials in New Orleans said their water had not been tested for pharmaceuticals, but a Tulane University researcher and his students have published a study that found the pain reliever naproxen, the sex hormone estrone and the anti-cholesterol drug byproduct clofibric acid in treated drinking water.


Of the 28 major metropolitan areas where tests were performed on drinking water supplies, only Albuquerque; Austin, Texas; and Virginia Beach, Va.; said tests were negative. The drinking water in Dallas has been tested, but officials are awaiting results. Arlington, Texas, acknowledged that traces of a pharmaceutical were detected in its drinking water but cited post-9/11 security concerns in refusing to identify the drug.


The AP also contacted 52 small water providers - one in each state, and two each in Missouri and Texas - that serve communities with populations around 25,000. All but one said their drinking water had not been screened for pharmaceuticals; officials in Emporia, Kan., refused to answer AP's questions, also citing post-9/11 issues.


Rural consumers who draw water from their own wells aren't in the clear either, experts say.


The Stroud Water Research Center, in Avondale, Pa., has measured water samples from New York City's upstate watershed for caffeine, a common contaminant that scientists often look for as a possible signal for the presence of other pharmaceuticals. Though more caffeine was detected at suburban sites, researcher Anthony Aufdenkampe was struck by the relatively high levels even in less populated areas.


He suspects it escapes from failed septic tanks, maybe with other drugs. "Septic systems are essentially small treatment plants that are essentially unmanaged and therefore tend to fail," Aufdenkampe said.


Even users of bottled water and home filtration systems don't necessarily avoid exposure. Bottlers, some of which simply repackage tap water, do not typically treat or test for pharmaceuticals, according to the industry's main trade group. The same goes for the makers of home filtration systems.


Contamination is not confined to the United States. More than 100 different pharmaceuticals have been detected in lakes, rivers, reservoirs and streams throughout the world. Studies have detected pharmaceuticals in waters throughout Asia, Australia, Canada and Europe - even in Swiss lakes and the North Sea.


For example, in Canada, a study of 20 Ontario drinking water treatment plants by a national research institute found nine different drugs in water samples. Japanese health officials in December called for human health impact studies after detecting prescription drugs in drinking water at seven different sites.


In the United States, the problem isn't confined to surface waters. Pharmaceuticals also permeate aquifers deep underground, source of 40 percent of the nation's water supply. Federal scientists who drew water in 24 states from aquifers near contaminant sources such as landfills and animal feed lots found minuscule levels of hormones, antibiotics and other drugs.


Perhaps it's because Americans have been taking drugs - and flushing them unmetabolized or unused - in growing amounts. Over the past five years, the number of U.S. prescriptions rose 12 percent to a record 3.7 billion, while nonprescription drug purchases held steady around 3.3 billion, according to IMS Health and The Nielsen Co.


"People think that if they take a medication, their body absorbs it and it disappears, but of course that's not the case," said EPA scientist Christian Daughton, one of the first to draw attention to the issue of pharmaceuticals in water in the United States.


Some drugs, including widely used cholesterol fighters, tranquilizers and anti-epileptic medications, resist modern drinking water and wastewater treatment processes. Plus, the EPA says there are no sewage treatment systems specifically engineered to remove pharmaceuticals.


One technology, reverse osmosis, removes virtually all pharmaceutical contaminants but is very expensive for large-scale use and leaves several gallons of polluted water for every one that is made drinkable.
Another issue: There's evidence that adding chlorine, a common process in conventional drinking water treatment plants, makes some pharmaceuticals more toxic.


Human waste isn't the only source of contamination. Cattle, for example, are given ear implants that provide a slow release of trenbolone, an anabolic steroid used by some bodybuilders, which causes cattle to bulk up. But not all the trenbolone circulating in a steer is metabolized. A German study showed 10 percent of the steroid passed right through the animals.
Water sampled downstream of a Nebraska feedlot had steroid levels four times as high as the water taken upstream. Male fathead minnows living in that downstream area had low testosterone levels and small heads.


Other veterinary drugs also play a role. Pets are now treated for arthritis, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, allergies, dementia, and even obesity - sometimes with the same drugs as humans. The inflation-adjusted value of veterinary drugs rose by 8 percent, to $5.2 billion, over the past five years, according to an analysis of data from the Animal Health Institute.


Ask the pharmaceutical industry whether the contamination of water supplies is a problem, and officials will tell you no. "Based on what we now know, I would say we find there's little or no risk from pharmaceuticals in the environment to human health," said microbiologist Thomas White, a consultant for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America.


But at a conference last summer, Mary Buzby - director of environmental technology for drug maker Merck & Co. Inc. - said: "There's no doubt about it, pharmaceuticals are being detected in the environment and there is genuine concern that these compounds, in the small concentrations that they're at, could be causing impacts to human health or to aquatic organisms."


Recent laboratory research has found that small amounts of medication have affected human embryonic kidney cells, human blood cells and human breast cancer cells. The cancer cells proliferated too quickly; the kidney cells grew too slowly; and the blood cells showed biological activity associated with inflammation.


Also, pharmaceuticals in waterways are damaging wildlife across the nation and around the globe, research shows. Notably, male fish are being feminized, creating egg yolk proteins, a process usually restricted to females. Pharmaceuticals also are affecting sentinel species at the foundation of the pyramid of life - such as earth worms in the wild and zooplankton in the laboratory, studies show.


Some scientists stress that the research is extremely limited, and there are too many unknowns. They say, though, that the documented health problems in wildlife are disconcerting.


"It brings a question to people's minds that if the fish were affected ... might there be a potential problem for humans?" EPA research biologist Vickie Wilson told the AP. "It could be that the fish are just exquisitely sensitive because of their physiology or something. We haven't gotten far enough along."


With limited research funds, said Shane Snyder, research and development project manager at the Southern Nevada Water Authority, a greater emphasis should be put on studying the effects of drugs in water.


"I think it's a shame that so much money is going into monitoring to figure out if these things are out there, and so little is being spent on human health," said Snyder. "They need to just accept that these things are everywhere - every chemical and pharmaceutical could be there. It's time for the EPA to step up to the plate and make a statement about the need to study effects, both human and environmental."


To the degree that the EPA is focused on the issue, it appears to be looking at detection. Grumbles acknowledged that just late last year the agency developed three new methods to "detect and quantify pharmaceuticals" in wastewater. "We realize that we have a limited amount of data on the concentrations," he said. "We're going to be able to learn a lot more."


While Grumbles said the EPA had analyzed 287 pharmaceuticals for possible inclusion on a draft list of candidates for regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act, he said only one, nitroglycerin, was on the list. Nitroglycerin can be used as a drug for heart problems, but the key reason it's being considered is its widespread use in making explosives.


So much is unknown. Many independent scientists are skeptical that trace concentrations will ultimately prove to be harmful to humans. Confidence about human safety is based largely on studies that poison lab animals with much higher amounts.


There's growing concern in the scientific community, meanwhile, that certain drugs - or combinations of drugs - may harm humans over decades because water, unlike most specific foods, is consumed in sizable amounts every day.


Our bodies may shrug off a relatively big one-time dose, yet suffer from a smaller amount delivered continuously over a half century, perhaps subtly stirring allergies or nerve damage. Pregnant women, the elderly and the very ill might be more sensitive.


Many concerns about chronic low-level exposure focus on certain drug classes: chemotherapy that can act as a powerful poison; hormones that can hamper reproduction or development; medicines for depression and epilepsy that can damage the brain or change behavior; antibiotics that can allow human germs to mutate into more dangerous forms; pain relievers and blood-pressure diuretics.


For several decades, federal environmental officials and nonprofit watchdog environmental groups have focused on regulated contaminants - pesticides, lead, PCBs - which are present in higher concentrations and clearly pose a health risk.


However, some experts say medications may pose a unique danger because, unlike most pollutants, they were crafted to act on the human body.


"These are chemicals that are designed to have very specific effects at very low concentrations. That's what pharmaceuticals do. So when they get out to the environment, it should not be a shock to people that they have effects," says zoologist John Sumpter at Brunel University in London, who has studied trace hormones, heart medicine and other drugs.


And while drugs are tested to be safe for humans, the time frame is usually over a matter of months, not a lifetime. Pharmaceuticals also can produce side effects and interact with other drugs at normal medical doses. That's why - aside from therapeutic doses of fluoride injected into potable water supplies - pharmaceuticals are prescribed to people who need them, not delivered to everyone in their drinking water.


"We know we are being exposed to other people's drugs through our drinking water, and that can't be good," says Dr. David Carpenter, who directs the Institute for Health and the Environment of the State University of New York at Albany.



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As the piece cited having a well is no sure bet against contamination it is a helluva lot better than some!

Naturist Mark
03-09-2008, 03:29 PM
Free drugs!

This could replace Medicare part D.

-Mark

OZJames
03-09-2008, 05:15 PM
Well Well, it looks like that if I drink tap water it will have enough drugs in it to cure every possible disease known to man that I may have so I will never get sick and never have to go to the Dr.:laugh:

I drink rain water collected from our roof on which lizards and birds reside - I don't know what the poo rate is. :laugh:

LamontCranston
03-09-2008, 06:12 PM
From the Associated Press:

How do the drugs get into the water?


People take pills. Their bodies absorb some of the medication, but the rest of it passes through and is flushed down the toilet. The wastewater is treated before it is discharged into reservoirs, rivers or lakes. Then, some of the water is cleansed again at drinking water treatment plants and piped to consumers. But most treatments do not remove all drug residue. Anyone else think this an unlikely scenario?

"People, some, some, the rest, most.." No facts and figures, just a finger pointed towards 100 million individuals and a "vague system" for treating water. It's a third grade explanation.

Couldn't it be more likely the pharmaceutical companies are dumping by-products or have been for years?

And how do you square the idea that there so much extra drug in the drugs that it gets into the after digestion water supply with the idea that it has to cost BIG BUCKS for the pills in the first place?

It tells me there's a big fat margin between cost of manufacture and retail price.

Or it tells me that the trace amounts are really really trace amounts and there's no story here.

Hmmmmm... there's much between the white space in this article.

usmc1
03-10-2008, 04:56 AM
Anyone else think this an unlikely scenario?

"People, some, some, the rest, most.." No facts and figures, just a finger pointed towards 100 million individuals and a "vague system" for treating water. It's a third grade explanation.

Couldn't it be more likely the pharmaceutical companies are dumping by-products or have been for years?

And how do you square the idea that there so much extra drug in the drugs that it gets into the after digestion water supply with the idea that it has to cost BIG BUCKS for the pills in the first place?

It tells me there's a big fat margin between cost of manufacture and retail price.

Or it tells me that the trace amounts are really really trace amounts and there's no story here.

Hmmmmm... there's much between the white space in this article.

You know, Lamont, I always wonder what stake you have when you pooh-pooh a story such as this. Is it that you dislike Nacktman so much that you feel compelled to challenge or discredit or attempt to divert attention away from what he has posted? One sincerely questions how you would have responded had someone else have posted the article.

You're a bright guy, surely you're aware how the body functions. Not all medications and vitamins that we human take get absorbed. That which is not, passes into the sewer system through our excretia. In many parts of the country that sewage, after treatment, finds its way back into the lakes, aquifers, rivers and reservoirs from which our drinking water comes.

Millions upon millions of people, day-in-and-day-out, over periods of years excreting infinitesimal amounts of drugs could very well account for a build up in our drinking water of trace amounts in the parts per billion or trillion which the article cited.

I find this a much more plausible notion than yours that the drug companies are dumping. You scenario would involve tankers and dumps trucks transporting the excess drugs all over the place, willy-nilly, searching for bodies of water in which to dump their stuff---not all the places affected have drug manufacturing facilities closer than half a continent away.

And, drug companies dumping something? Hah, if they had something to dump, it'd wind up being sold in Africa. Or taken to Canada to resell to unwary older Americans---as part of their broken socialized medicine healthcare system and the ultra-liberal, bleeding-heart, anti-business, Democrat's drug re-importation scheme.

That there last thing was just a sarcasm deal, and all. And stuff. You know.

Actually the article is very well written, with tons of research and attribution to quite credible sources. I found it very interesting, and one explanation for why I now have a third breast growing in the middle my forehead---that there's one of them there a jokes! You're aware of the concept, right?

naturalmanwa
03-10-2008, 07:37 AM
I think one must pay attention to this, because tests are usually accurate. It is also possible even if one has a well for it to have impurities in it thru the groundwater that comes from various places. Many people who live in the rural areas with landfills say that their well water has been affected by the landfill.

Qikdraw
03-10-2008, 10:04 AM
I think it could be a combination of both excess 'waste' and company dumping.

Qikdraw

usmc1
03-10-2008, 10:24 AM
I think it could be a combination of both excess 'waste' and company dumping.

Qikdraw

If you read the complete article and then view the map of affected areas, you'll pretty quickly determine that company dumping is not the issue. The article is out there now on every major news site and you could pretty quickly satisfy your suspicion.

BinCo
03-10-2008, 10:27 AM
I agree with this article. On many levels.

Girls in the US have been reaching puberty earlier and earlier. Many women we know are astounded that their daughters are hitting puberty at 10 or 11. Is this in the water? Or just the hormones that are pumped into our food supply to get animals to market fatter and faster? Probably a combination of that and many other factors.

The other reason I agree with it is this. I know a company that makes machines for the pharma packaging and shipping world. They make machines to pack and ship drugs to people who have hmo's and continuing drug needs. (like the VA) So far, I can count 27 machines shipping orders to people at an average rate of 500 orders per hour. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. That's about 2,286,000 orders per week. Sit back and think about that amount of drugs for a minute. This is not one drug per order, but an average of 2.8 bottles of drugs per order. Staggering. Now think that this does not include any orders from your local pharmacy, which can easily triple that amount of orders per week.

Now think about this. What does your pharmacist tell you about out of date drugs? What to do with them? Flush them is what my doctor told me years ago. I am not sure if that still applies since I am healthy enough to be on no meds ( even though Nacktman might think I should be ;))

If only 1% of those drugs are passed thru the system it is literally tons of drugs being dumped into our water system daily.

BinCo
03-10-2008, 10:38 AM
Not company dumping. I also know people deep into the pharma world and they have told me that when drugs have been found to be bad. Outdated, contaminated, etc. The drugs are dumped out of the containers ( another customer of mine makes some automatic cut and dump machines ) and then the drugs have to be INCINERATED. This is another reason to have both the FDA and EPA. Otherwise these drugs would likely be dumped. The containers are shredded and sent to be recycled. This applied to OTC, off the shelf and controlled drugs.

Water contamination is a weird thing. In some parts of Denver TCE (TriChloroEthylene-1-1-1) has been found in water miles from the source in only 20 years or so. And our water passes slowely thru rock. Now take the Floridan Aquafir where water travels in miles per day and it takes on a more significant meaning. Those long molecules are nasty and very tough to break down in nature. So this article is of no surprise to many of us.

BTW Nacktman: Being on a well does not protect you. You should have it tested annually for chemicals like this. I would also suggest an Reverse Osmosis system for your drinking supply. Especially since someone in another county might have dumped gas 30 years ago before it reaches you.

It really is surprising humans have not managed to kill ourselves off yet.:eek:

LamontCranston
03-10-2008, 04:14 PM
You know, Lamont, I always wonder what stake you have when you pooh-pooh a story such as this. Is it that you dislike Nacktman so much that you feel compelled to challenge or discredit or attempt to divert attention away from what he has posted? One sincerely questions how you would have responded had someone else have posted the article. Nackty's a swell guy and so is this article. I haven't had a dispute with him or you in months, maybe a year and I'm not starting again today.

I'm just questioning the absence of mention of large companies who might be contributing with disposal of manufacturing by-products. Ever hear of environmental pollution and acid rain?

If it is purely water treatment plants, why isn't there other elements that should be present such as vitamins, hormones, bacteria? It seems the AP researchers only found what they were looking for and it makes me wonder if there's more to come, as in "Hmmmm, this could be a big story."

And this part --
The Stroud Water Research Center, in Avondale, Pa., has measured water samples from New York City's upstate watershed for caffeine, a common contaminant that scientists often look for as a possible signal for the presence of other pharmaceuticals. Though more caffeine was detected at suburban sites, researcher Anthony Aufdenkampe was struck by the relatively high levels even in less populated areas.

He suspects it escapes from failed septic tanks, maybe with other drugs.How many failed septic tanks does it take to taint the watershed north of New York City? Hundreds? Thousands? I can't accept an explanation like this. I'm a bright guy and it doesn't sound right.

BinCo
03-10-2008, 07:23 PM
If it's from 'failed' sepetic tanks it would seem to me that they are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. Remove the solids and let the liquids flow out into the ground. In our case it's pumped from the tank into the leach field.

I think the search might have more to do with long chain molecules being harder for nature to break down. Wow, does that bring back nightmares of chem class.:eek: I do not know enough about them to say whether vitamins are simple enough to be either, easier to break down, or naturally occuring in nature and harder to trace the source.

Good topic though.

nacktman
03-10-2008, 07:31 PM
BTW Nacktman: Being on a well does not protect you. You should have it tested annually for chemicals like this. I would also suggest an Reverse Osmosis system for your drinking supply. Especially since someone in another county might have dumped gas 30 years ago before it reaches you.

I have had it tested and it is as pure as it can get right now.
I am lucky that I own the land directly over the aquifer in the area and the aquifer is encased within a heavy clay deposit with and fine sand layer just above it - Ma Nature's filtration plant at its finest, so my well has its water strained and purified by the next best thing to a carbon filter ... now if I had a layer of carbon over the sand;).

BinCo
03-10-2008, 07:57 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23504373

Gotta love then looking out for us by not telling us.:rolleyes:

Nacktman, Good to go. Still have it tested for everything possible. Afterall they find traces of chemicals from the rain cycle all over the earth. You are on the earth, aren't you?:D

country nude
03-10-2008, 08:11 PM
One more reason to drink beer.:laugh:

usmc1
03-11-2008, 04:40 AM
One more reason to drink beer.:laugh:

Oh? You haven't heard I guess. But due to a shortage of hops and barley there is going to be a period of "beer shortage" and increased prices.:(

But, on the other hand, that may be a good thing, because the water in that beer comes from...well, you know. (Not crystal clear cold mountain streams, I'll just betacha)

And, if you're following the story, you've read by now that in some places those drugs are having an adverse effect on the fish---little boy fish with little girl fish sex gear. shocked

And, perhaps, right on up the food chain.

Cheers!

usmc1
03-11-2008, 05:03 AM
Nackty's a swell guy and so is this article. I haven't had a dispute with him or you in months, maybe a year and I'm not starting again today...

I'm just questioning the absence of mention of large companies who might be contributing with disposal of manufacturing by-products. Ever hear of environmental pollution and acid rain?

If it is purely water treatment plants, why isn't there other elements that should be present such as vitamins, hormones, bacteria? It seems the AP researchers only found what they were looking for and it makes me wonder if there's more to come, as in "Hmmmm, this could be a big story."


I agree, Nacktman, that is his handle isn't it? is indeed a "swell" fellow.:rolleyes:

Drug companies were not mentioned because there was no evidence linking them to this specific problem. Nothing tying the particular trace drugs to a nearby drug manufacturing facility.

Yes, there may be drug companies somewhere releasing effluviants into local sewer systems. That would be an issue, and a violation, but that would not mitigate the seriousness of the findings behind this story. Nor does it account for the findings in places such as Arlington, TX, and Denver, CO. Not a lot of drug manufacturing going on there, but there are huge concentrations of people there.

Also, when you examine the list of the drugs found, you'll see the hormones and OTC stuff you're seeking as evidence. Here's a brief summary, which lists several.
The story

A vast array of pharmaceuticals -- including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones -- have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows.


To be sure, the concentrations of these pharmaceuticals are tiny, measured in quantities of parts per billion or trillion, far below the levels of a medical dose. Also, utilities insist their water is safe.


But the presence of so many prescription drugs -- and over-the-counter medicines like acetaminophen and ibuprofen -- in so much of our drinking water is heightening worries among scientists of long-term consequences to human health.

nakedjohn
03-11-2008, 06:20 AM
If we would really know, what is all in the water, we would not even use it to shower.

nacktman
03-11-2008, 03:21 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23504373

Gotta love then looking out for us by not telling us.:rolleyes:

Nacktman, Good to go. Still have it tested for everything possible. Afterall they find traces of chemicals from the rain cycle all over the earth. You are on the earth, aren't you?:D

I will be testing it regularly, BinCO.
If you ever buy a bottle of water labeled Midas Springs Water you'll be drinking my water (just a little side business, you know - too bad it is only distributed nationally and internationally ;)).
So I have it tested and know what is in it.

Oh, and yes I am on Earth or least I am this week ... next week????:sneaky:

nudenwv
03-11-2008, 05:51 PM
we have always had a filter system on the kitchen faucet. but then i was thinking how much is absorbed through the skin during a shower,bath,and brushing teeth!

OZJames
03-11-2008, 06:44 PM
A couple of months ago I purchased a bottle of water at the LA airport. It was labeled that it included some recycled water and had added salt. :disappointed:

These days wells for drinking water are a no no anywhere but in isolated country areas. At the back of my office there is an old well used 100 years ago for all water supplies, the building was then an Inn. Now the water would be VERY polluted with sewerage etc as my office is in the middle of a country town.

I think people should install rainwater tanks and collect water off the roof of their houses. Probably far less polluted than tap water supplied by Government.

BinCo
03-11-2008, 08:31 PM
I think people should install rainwater tanks and collect water off the roof of their houses. Probably far less polluted than tap water supplied by Government.


I would love to. Fact is that in Colorado rainwater collection is illegal. They are working on a pilot program to determine if water rights might change. For my little patch of life, every drop that falls on it belongs to Kansas. Of course in many areas greywater driversion and collection is also illegal. I sure am glad that I can only use that expensive tap water once.:rant:

BTW: It's not as clean as the water from my tap thanks to the pollution in the air. BUT my plants would love it.

OZJames
03-12-2008, 06:13 PM
In Australia not many years ago Government also made water collection tanks on homes illegal (where there is a town water supply) but after a prolonged dry period (drought) they recognized how stupid that was and now make it mandatory for all new houses to install water collection tanks , not for drinking but for garden, car washing, clothes washing machines etc.

nacktman
03-21-2008, 07:36 PM
City's Water Verified As Bacteria Source

<!-- google_ad_section_start (name=blsadstrgt)--> It could be three more weeks before residents of a southern Colorado town can drink water straight from the tap after dozens of cases of salmonella poisoning were linked to municipal water, putting seven people in the hospital.
An analysis indicates the municipal water system in Alamosa is the source of the bacterial outbreak, as suspected, said Ned Calonge, chief medical officer for the state health department.
Gov. Bill Ritter declared an emergency Friday in Alamosa County, activating the National Guard and providing as much as $300,000 for response efforts.
The city and county have also declared emergencies as officials scrambled to provide safe water and disinfect the system with chlorine.
The earliest the city water system could be flushed is Tuesday, and disinfecting it and making sure it is safe could take many days, said James Martin, executive director of the state health department. Water agencies from Denver, Aurora and Fort Collins were helping.
As of Friday, 138 cases of salmonella linked to the outbreak had been reported in people from infancy to age 89, of which 47 were confirmed by lab testing, Calonge said. The conditions of those hospitalized weren't released.
Alamosa, with about 8,500 residents, gets its water from a deep well system. The water is pure from the aquifer and is not chlorinated.
Investigators are seeking how the system was contaminated. Possibilities include a compromise in a storage tank or cross-contamination with a sewage line, Calonge said.
About 45 businesses are providing enough bottled water to supply residents for several days, in some cases for free, said Hans Kallam, director of the state Division of Emergency Management. Bulk water is also available from East Alamosa, which is not connected to the city system.
Boiling tap water will kill bacteria, but health officials warned that no one should use even boiled tap water once the flushing of the water system begins. People were warned not to give pets tap water, either.
San Luis Valley Regional Medical Center bought in bottled water, and equipment was being sanitized with alcohol, said Chief Operating Officer Henry Garvin.
"It's becoming much more costly to deliver care, but for patient care it's not going to be an issue," Garvin said, who did not have an estimate on the extra costs.
The city had been working to switch to a chlorinated system, but the outbreak is speeding up the timetable, Calonge said.
Only 15 salmonella outbreaks from public water systems were reported from 1971 to 2004, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
Symptoms include diarrhea, fever and stomach cramps that usually go away within a week, although same cases may require hospitalization.