Governor Spitzer [Archive] - ClothesFree Forum

nacktman

03-12-2008, 05:06 AM

nudeM

03-12-2008, 05:16 AM

From someone who was an Attorney General who went after this type of behavior and then is caught doing exactly the same thing, he should pay the price, heavily. Being a Governor, he should be held to higher standards as well, so the punishment should NOT be lenient.

At the time of this posting, he should immediately step down as Governor and face the music. The longer he stays in office, the more he will make the political picture become corrupt.:smoking:

KirkOntario

03-12-2008, 05:16 AM

Yes he should resign.
Only a Democrat could spend $80,000 on hookers.

usmc1

03-12-2008, 05:28 AM

I was just wondering where the howls of condemnation were from the wing-nuts about Governor Spitzer ... could it be the fact that his alleged picadillos involved adult females and not underage children or other men as have been their fellow wing-nut's sordid affairs?

Come on here's your chance!

Was he stupid to be involved in the mess he is suspected of ... yes, if he is inolved.
Should he be removed from office because of his involvement ... not unless he used public monies to pay for 'services rendered', use of his own monies is, well see the word stupid above.
Should he not be re-elected to office at the next election ... well, that is up to the voters of NY, now isn't it.

I've been waiting also, and am surprised that the yahoos aren't howling. I think the difference is that he owned up to the situation, and didn't slip into one of these absurd weeping denial, blaming others, modes that the GOP uses. He admitted it openly and apologized and did not try to justify it with some load of guff.

But, I am very disappointed in him. And I do think he needs to resign. He is the symbol of law in his state and for him to have violated the law simply rendered him incapable of standing before the electorate and taking any position based on adherence to the law.

Also, one suspects that he has a lot of energy and work and time ahead of him restoring his marriage and family trust. He will be distracted from the duties of state.

It is too bad, and very sad, because on balance, he was an outstanding public servant who did strive for the betterment of the ordinary people.

Walt Iliff

03-12-2008, 06:04 AM

Sanslines

03-12-2008, 06:21 AM

It is too bad, and very sad, because on balance, he was an outstanding public servant who did strive for the betterment of the ordinary people.

He was a very harsh and polarizing figure in New York State politics who was not particularly well liked by his fellow politicians and could not form consensus. By contrast, the Lieutenant Governor is well liked by both parties and will compromise to achieve real accomplishments.

Sanslines

03-12-2008, 06:22 AM

I like what Jay Leno had to say about this.....Isn't it strange that a Democrat would choose to spend $5,000.00 /hour for sex, while a Republican looks for it in a public mens room for free? Go figure!!

Walt

Walt,

You left out the part about how the Dems get the last laugh for they will raise taxes and make YOU ultimately pay for $5000/hour for their sex.

Bicycler

03-12-2008, 07:05 AM

Two points:

Hillary will certainly take at least a small "guilt by association" hit from this. Not much but when she is on the verge of being beaten by an upstart junior senator it is just one more problem that she has to deal with. A small plus for Obama.

The Culture of Corruption issue is dead. It was good for the Dems while it lasted but this election is going to be about the economy and Iraq and not about corrupt Republicans. A modest plus for the Pubbies.

Skinview

03-12-2008, 07:30 AM

Damn it Bicycler, you stole my thunder! **Democrat culture of corruption** Sigh.

If it was his money, I couldn't care less where the Gov puts his unit. I just think it serves him right for having prosecuted call girls. He should stay in office, but it looks like he is finished. I won't cry for him. Now if it was Governor Jessie Ventura, that would be very interesting. He is out of office now, but he has always admitted to having enjoyed prostitutes, and says that prostitution should be legal, and he got elected anyway. I wonder what the reaction would be if he got caught doing that in office?

Skinview

03-12-2008, 07:36 AM

I think the difference is that he owned up to the situation, and didn't slip into one of these absurd weeping denial, blaming others, modes that the GOP uses.Example?? Are you thinking of televangelists? (Swaggert and Bakker)

usmc1

03-12-2008, 08:08 AM

He was a very harsh and polarizing figure in New York State politics who was not particularly well liked by his fellow politicians and could not form consensus. By contrast, the Lieutenant Governor is well liked by both parties and will compromise to achieve real accomplishments.

Sanslines, I know that you do not particulary care for polarity or hashness. But, I very fervently suggest that it is sometimes required. Especially when taking on some of the vested interests that he did.

As to Sptizer's popularity, he had sufficient to be elected Lt. Gov, and then Gov. That does not happen to politicans who are like totally unpopular dudes.

Now that his hypocrisy is revealed, one doubts that his popularity will continue.

MoonShadow

03-12-2008, 08:21 AM

I need to beg to differ about when democrats are in you are taxed "to death".

Why has government become the biggest yet? Seems like GW is Republican and has been for the last 8 years and has increased the size of government to its current enormity.

Taxes are not just democrats but anyone who holds office these days. Let's not forget when local and state governments increase taxes, fees (another disguise for taxes), etc., and it crosses both parties.

usmc1

03-12-2008, 08:22 AM

Example?? Are you thinking of televangelists? (Swaggert and Bakker)

TOM DELAY
AND, IF YOU'D LIKE WE CAN UPLOAD THE ONE OF HIS SOBBING WIFE AS THEY DRIVE OFF FROM THE COURT HOUSE!

YOU WANT PHOTOS OF OTHERS, WE GOTEM!

nudeM

03-12-2008, 08:53 AM

*************JUST IN***************Spitzer just resigned effective Monday March 17th.

EricNY

03-12-2008, 09:21 AM

I do not like getting involved in these topics, but I as a resident of NY State, I would like to voice my opinion....

First of all this has nothing to do with political designation it has to do with breaking the law.

I voted for the man and shortly after regretted doing so. He went from a man that seemed driven to get the peoples' work done to an arrogant, my way or the highway iron fisted ruler. His abrasive attitude made it impossible to get things done. Basically, he couldn't play well with others. Governor or not decisions are not made individually in a vacuum.

I have heard people try and compare him to Clinton, but that can't be done. What Spitzer did was against the law. It wouldn't surprise me to find out there were other laws broken, only time will tell.

I feel sad for his family, but I am relieved he is out of office. Once I saw him in action serving NY, I really do not believe any good would have come from it. Evidently I wasn't alone as his approval rating challenges GW's as being lower than knee high.

I am excited to see what Patterson will do. His reputation is strong, and he appears to be a good man. Let's hope so NYS needs a lot of healing.

Skinview

03-12-2008, 09:28 AM

TOM DELAY
What happened with him? Last I checked he was charged, but I can't find anything about how that came out. Is it still in the courts?

Skinview

03-12-2008, 09:33 AM

I have heard people try and compare him to Clinton, but that can't be done. What Spitzer did was against the law.Lying under oath is against the law. What Spitzer did shouldn't be against the law.

EricNY

03-12-2008, 09:36 AM

What Spitzer did shouldn't be against the law.

Ahhh......but it is. Morally as well as legally

EricNY

03-12-2008, 09:40 AM

Lying under oath is against the law.

Yes this is true, however I was comparing the act prior to the lie

Skinview

03-12-2008, 09:41 AM

Ahhh......but it is. Morally as well as legallyI claim it as a right under Amendment IX of the US Constitution:

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Of course this is another part of the Constitution ignored by the courts, but its there.

EricNY

03-12-2008, 09:59 AM

I claim it as a right under Amendment IX of the US Constitution:

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Of course this is another part of the Constitution ignored by the courts, but its there.

What does that have to do with illegal prostitution?

Qikdraw

03-12-2008, 10:10 AM

Ahhh......but it is. Morally as well as legally

That reminds me of this:

In 1964, Justice Potter Stewart tried to explain "hard-core" pornography, or what is obscene, by saying, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . but I know it when I see it . . .

Qikdraw

Skinview

03-12-2008, 10:14 AM

What does that have to do with illegal prostitution?

The 9th Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights because Madison and others were afraid that if a list of rights was made, it would be taken to mean that those were the only rights we had. In fact it was thought that it is not possible to list all of the rights that people have. In the famous Roe v Wade decision, the Supreme Court cited the 9th Amendment, among other reasons, to declare that abortion is a right. Since prostitution is consentual, and does not injure or rob anyone else, it can be considered a right. Abortion was illegal too. Its probably not the best example of a 9th Amendment right, because people claim the fetus is an individual with rights, and you have to resolve that issue. I don't recall if the 9th Amendment was used in Griswold, which declared that we have a right to use birth control, which was illegal at the time, but that would be a good example. Birth control was illegal and "immoral". Just ask your priest!

Bicycler

03-12-2008, 10:35 AM

...
The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
...
Skinview you haven't been paying attention since you are quoting from the "Old Constitution".

The new "Living Constitution" is what we use these days. It is like the old one but relies on the interpretation of what it says by just about any judge anywhere, in this country or out. That makes it so much more flexible and greatly simplifies the "doing of the right thing" independently of what the law says or means. Very hip. Very modern.

EricNY

03-12-2008, 10:45 AM

Skinview,
I see your point, however the laws are on the books as far as prostitution is concerned, it is truly against the law. Your point of view is valid, but does not change the law, and here was a man that was in charge of effectively administering these laws.

Having been a witness to and affected by Spitzer's administration it has been one distraction after another. We had "troopergate" then the fight for licensing illegal immigrants, and now this. The once great state of New York is turning into a circus. I don't even want to get started on the multi BILLION dollar deficit.

I pray that we can repair and move forward. The hell with "business as usual" let's try something new.

BinCo

03-12-2008, 11:23 AM

As much as I think that prostitution should be legal and regulated to be clean, this man broke the law. He knows the law, has enforced THIS exact law against prostitution rings and now is found to be a hipocrite. He deserved to be removed from office for being a lying hipocrite, not for having a high priced call girl.

Now I have to wonder something. Did he bust competative rings to give his girls more clients?

At least he has enough integrity to step up and admit that he did something wrong and resign. When you ask for GOP examples of whining and fighting to keep their post don't forget Larry Craig. The guy was arrested, it got found out, he resigned, he tried to change his previous plea, he didn't want to quit. Just like a 3 year old getting caught with his finger in the cake frosting and being told he doesn't get any now. Waaaaaahhhhh.:goodbye:

jon71

03-12-2008, 11:28 AM

Let's just hope that the fuss and todo about this will bring a harsh light on Sen. Vitter and his wh*r*mongering as well. Stepping down was the right decision for Spitzer, he could no longer be effective as gov. and it's the right thing for Vitter as well. Of course when was the last time a republican ever did the right thing.

usmc1

03-12-2008, 11:49 AM

What happened with him? Last I checked he was charged, but I can't find anything about how that came out. Is it still in the courts?

Awaiting trial after resigning in disgrace (and weeping) and seeing a Democrat claim the district in '06.

Now he hangs with lobbyists in DC.

Boreas

03-12-2008, 11:51 AM

When I first heard about Gov Spitzer, I thought it was just another sex scandal in the US. It seems people like to get all fired up about sex and politics down there. I contemplated why it was such an issue if he was "buying" adults, and not using state money. I have also come to the conclusion that the issue is indeed that he has broken the law. I understand he was a prosecuter in the past. Perhaps as such, and as governor, he does need to ne held to a higher standard. Never-the-less, he did break the law and it was very public, so he has done the right thing by stepping down.

ercNY's posts make me think that this could be the tip of the iceberg also. He cannot be effective now.

EricNY

03-12-2008, 12:04 PM

I'll tell you what.....That noise you hear is NY's sigh of relief.

Ever since the infamous "day 1" New York has been dealing with the disappointment of not getting what we expected. We were mislead from that first day, and have been experiencing a serious case of buyers remorse. Ironically on that day 1 he claimed instant change, to an ethical government, a government that could be trusted. He promised to reach across the partisan aisle, tear down the wall and work together regardless of political label.

Everything he stood for turned out to be lies.

Spitzers inability to work with others, the disrespectful way in which he treated others was crippling for us. His ego was bigger than his policy and his arrogance was stronger than his conviction.

Although we feel sad for his family, we are excited for the future

Nude in the North

03-12-2008, 02:34 PM

What I can't figure out is why it's still Illegal.

It seems like there is a Majority of Law Makers that Use Prostitutes. So It shouldn't have any trouble passing a vote.

The could just attach it like a "pork barrel" addition to any bill in congress. Slip it by the public untill it's too late. They have done it with worse things in the past.

nacktman

03-12-2008, 04:10 PM

Ok, it has been a discussion today hasn't it?

While I posted I thought he should not be removed from office for his trysts with professional women if he used his own monies to do so ... I thought he should and hoped he would resign, especially after 'coming clean' by standing up and being a man admitting his transgression(s).

Standing thusly is not the wont of those on the other side of the aisle.
I am glad to see him do so and his resignation was the proper thing to do.
Also, by reading some of the posts here I would say needed by the State of New York.

He broke the law - it is that simple. Whether the law(s) he broke in this instance are good ones is a debate for another time and place.
Should it turn out he broke any law(s) of the public trust other than the 'morals' law he violated, he like any other person should be held accountable. However, if it is only the 'morals' law(s) he violated he is only answerable to himself and his family (after the set penalties for their violation) although the public does not see it that way and he will be in for the long haul to rebuild his reputation.

KNude

03-12-2008, 04:33 PM

Boreas

03-12-2008, 04:53 PM

The public likes a little sex scandle to keep their interest off the real news items that should panic them. Adm. Fallon resigned yesterday. He was the officer who was strongly against the proposed invasion of Iran. Looks like the shrub and vp will get their chance now. I heard a report on the radio that a carrier group is headed to the Iran coast. Is this what America wants? Anyone got any information on this?

Good point. I heard lots about Spitzer today and nothing about Adm. Fallon.

BTW, one thing I heard about Spitzer was that he had used high priced prostitutes in Washington. Is it possible that he is not the only highly placed politician to have used such services? Could it be that there is a market for such services in Washington??? (or Ottawa, or London......)

nacktman

03-12-2008, 05:05 PM

BTW, one thing I heard about Spitzer was that he had used high priced prostitutes in Washington. Is it possible that he is not the only highly placed politician to have used such services? Could it be that there is a market for such services in Washington??? (or Ottawa, or London......)

Yep there is. The 'Ring' Spitzer used had women in several US Cities and London and Paris. Not sure about Ottawa, though.

Sanslines

03-12-2008, 05:06 PM

Sanslines, I know that you do not particulary care for polarity or hashness. But, I very fervently suggest that it is sometimes required. Especially when taking on some of the vested interests that he did.

As to Sptizer's popularity, he had sufficient to be elected Lt. Gov, and then Gov. That does not happen to politicans who are like totally unpopular dudes.

Now that his hypocrisy is revealed, one doubts that his popularity will continue.

Believe it or not, New York State has a very diverse political system that involves some very powerful individuals such as Joseph Bruno (Majority Leader of the New York Senate) and Assemblyman Sheldon Silver. Spitzer is a hard charging person who is harsh and it was hoped that his hard charging tactics would get results in Albany. Unfortunately, his polarizing and bullying ways did not work very well as he butted heads with the other power brokers in the NY State Govt. David Paterson, his successor, is well liked, has come from the NY State legislature, and is much more of a uniter who has a much better chance of bringing those of vastly different backgrounds together for the good of the state. Let's hope that David Paterson can deliver and tackle and resolve some of the many severe problems that face New York State.

nacktman

03-12-2008, 05:11 PM

The public likes a little sex scandle to keep their interest off the real news items that should panic them. Adm. Fallon resigned yesterday. He was the officer who was strongly against the proposed invasion of Iran. Looks like the shrub and vp will get their chance now. I heard a report on the radio that a carrier group is headed to the Iran coast. Is this what America wants? Anyone got any information on this?

Heard about Fallon day before yesterday - even the Pentagon's "ban" on information flow cannot stop the flow of information along the 'old serviceman's information highway', heck, it cannot even slow it down.

The word is that that carrier group is on a scheduled routine 'training' mission ... at least 'officially'.
The word along the 'highway' is ... Yeah, Right! And pigs fly on butterfly's wings.
Now interpret that as you will.;)

KNude

03-12-2008, 05:15 PM

Nacktman

Thanks for the info.

Boreas

03-12-2008, 05:17 PM

Yep there is. The 'Ring' Spitzer used had women in several US Cities and London and Paris. Not sure about Ottawa, though.

Interesting. I had mentioned the cities since highly place politicians frequent those places......and they have "needs" :surprised:

KirkOntario

03-12-2008, 05:30 PM

The state governor using prostitutes matters because it makes him subject to blackmail. We had a judge in Ottawa a few years back who used prostitutes and the criminal element made sure they got him on video tape with one of their girls. He had to resign from the bench.

nacktman

03-12-2008, 05:47 PM

The Associated Press just released this:

NEW YORK (AP) - New details emerged Wednesday about the call girl at the center of the prostitution scandal engulfing New York's governor, with a newspaper report identifying her as a 22-year-old aspiring musician from Manhattan.

The New York Times reported that the real name of the woman - identified as "Kristen" in court papers alleging that Gov. Eliot Spitzer paid more than $4,000 for prostitutes' services - is Ashley Alexandra Dupre.

Don D. Buchwald, a New York lawyer, confirmed to The Associated Press that he represents Ashley Alexandra Dupre, the same woman in the Times story. "That's as far as I can go," he said.

A man who answered the phone at the home of the woman's mother in New Jersey and identified himself as Dupre's brother, Kyle, told the AP he did not know why Dupre would agree to be interviewed about the scandal.

"I've talked to my sister every five minutes since this happened, and I'm not going to comment on it," he said. "She's just trying to get through this."
Dupre's MySpace page provides a window into her life as she went from a broken home in New Jersey to a music career in the city.

"I have been alone. I have abused drugs. I have been broke and homeless. But, I survived, on my own. I am here, in NY because of my music," she wrote.

In an Aug. 30 blog posting on MySpace, she writes: "The past few months have been a roller coaster with so called friends, lovers, and family ... but its something you have to deal with and confront in order to move on ..."

"What destroys me strengthens me" is the slogan next to a Dupre photograph. The photos show her at various places, including in a bikini on a boat in a tropical locale. The number of hits to the page soared by the tens of thousands after the story broke.

Dupre describes her favorite musical artists as Etta James, Aretha Franklin, Celine Dion, Christina Aguilera and Frank Sinatra, among many others.

Her Web site boasts a recording of a song, "What We Want." "I know what you want, you got what I want. I know what you need. Can you handle me?" she sings.

She briefly spoke to the Times about the Spitzer scandal. Law enforcement officials identified the governor as a "Client 9" who had a Feb. 13 tryst with "Kristen" and paid her $4,300, according to court papers.

"I just don't want to be thought of as a monster," Dupre told the Times. "This has been a very difficult time. It's complicated."
She told the newspaper she had slept very little since the allegations against Spitzer were revealed.

Dupre told the Times she worried about paying her rent in a ninth-floor Manhattan apartment after her boyfriend recently left her. She said she was considering moving back in with her family in New Jersey.

She declined to comment when asked by the Times when she first met Spitzer and how many times they had been together.

Dupre apparently appeared in federal court Monday as a witness in the case against four people accused of operating the Emperors Club VIP prostitution ring.

*****

BinCo

03-12-2008, 05:53 PM

[QUOTE=KirkOntario;187269]The state governor using prostitutes matters because it makes him subject to blackmail. QUOTE]

I agree completely.:yes:

Also consider that he was the guy who bashed lawbreakers, put people in jail and touted how he would ride the moral high ground. So to me, even if prostitution was legal, he should step down. The last thing we need is another hipocrite in office.:mask:

:adoration:

nacktman

03-12-2008, 05:58 PM

The last thing we need is another hipocrite in office.

So, where else do you suggest we put them?!:laugh:

Qikdraw

03-12-2008, 06:05 PM

Good point. I heard lots about Spitzer today and nothing about Adm. Fallon.

BTW, one thing I heard about Spitzer was that he had used high priced prostitutes in Washington. Is it possible that he is not the only highly placed politician to have used such services? Could it be that there is a market for such services in Washington??? (or Ottawa, or London......)

Every time a political convention comes around there are always a few articles about how prostitues do great business during those times. I also think that lobbyists provide the 'services' of women to politicians.

So yeah, there is a huge market in politics for prostitutes. :D

Qikdraw

Naturist Mark

03-12-2008, 07:20 PM

OK, I have some questions ...

Why do politicians who get caught up in a sex scandal always drag their poor wives up on stage right next to them when they make their mea culpas to press? Wouldn't it be refreshing if they did all they could to minimize their wive's humiliation? Come on, man up! I want the next pol who gets caught to go on stage with the hooker instead of his wife - take some responsibility!

Why must Democrats resign immediately but Republicans can stay in the Senate and brazen it out? Spitzer should have left his wife at home, taken responsibility, and announced he was looking forward to leaving office the moment Senators Vitter and Craig resign.

Why is failing to keep your penis under control inexcusable and requires immediate resignation. But lying, spying, and killing innocent people in a fraudulent war while enriching your cronies and yourself is not?

Isn't it funny that the FBI and Justice Department no longer investigate bank robberies or any number of violent crimes because they are so tasked with fighting terrorism, but they have the resources to bust up a call girl ring - something normally done by State Police and never by the feds. Or that the guy who ran the call girl ring just happened to be an enrolled IRS agent? Or that they claim he was suspected of laundering his own money?

Does anyone else suspect the real source of the investigation was a certain warrantless wiretapping program that is run without judicial oversight? You know, the one that is only used to listen to terrorists (and opposition politicians and journalists).

Buh Bye Spitzer. Fool.

Hello public, you are fools too. You can't work up the same outrage over venal killers who betrayed our troops as you do over a schmuck who overpaid to violate his marriage vows. Fools.

-Mark

David77

03-12-2008, 09:33 PM

EricNY

03-12-2008, 11:56 PM

Sanslines

03-13-2008, 04:42 AM

On the McLair Report on TV tonight, it was stated that it seems the evidence from the bank shows that Spitzer spent at least a total of $8,000 on prostitutes.

One lawyer, on this program, stated that he could not understand why someone who is so very much in the public eye, and had so much to loose, would hire the several prostitutes who could readily reveal him.

He concludes that Spitzer needs treatment for a sex addiction instead of prosecution.

On the New Hour with Jim Lehrer, it was stated that Spitzer spent at least $80,000.

usmc1

03-13-2008, 05:15 AM

Here is an additional thought...........

Spitzer spent years closing down and prosecuting many people involved in the exact same thing.

Would you not think that he should have learned how NOT to get caught?

:sneaky:

Well, as that noted Peer of the Realm and social commentator, Sir Mick Jagger once said, "What goes around, comes around."

And, at the risk of an "online diagnosis", but this would be kumquats and peaches, I guess, so it must be OK, I'd like to suggest several things:
Sometimes people, such as Spitzer, who hold these rigid moralistic views are really internally conflicted. I offer for example fallen preachers and various politicians who get "caught" doing the very things they exhort against and call for the punishment of others for doing.
Sometimes, indeed, guilt stricken people do "arrange" to get caught. Some serial killers, rapists and molesters, leave "clues" so they can be caught and stopped.
And some men devastate their wives and families with "confessions" to assuage their own guilt and buy some peace of mind. They feel better but those around them certainly are miserable.I certainly agree that Spitzer suffers from sort of dysfunction. He knew the risks, and consequences, and certainly knew how to do things in a way that would not lead back to him. No, this boy wanted "caught and stopped."

But, part of his "recovery", if that is to happen, is that he must face the consequences of the illegalities of his shenanigans. Our prisons and jails are stuffed with people whose primary problem is the dysfunction or mental disorder that contributed to their crime. That's not to say they shouldn't pay for the crime, they should. But, part of the "punishment" ought to be treatment to restore, or enable, them to make the choice not to do the crime.

In my first post, I wrote that this was a sad situation. I still believe that. Mrs. USMC informs me, that her understanding is that he is really a very bleak and unpleasant man. One gets the picture of a character from Nathanial Hawthorne that is dark, dour, rigidly moralistic externally and aboil with lust, desire and sin internally. You know, one of those village elders types who slapped the scarlet letter on Hannah while sniffing around her skirts.

Despite all that, he has handled the situation in the proper way. A public confession and apology, accompanied with resignation. No denials, no blaming of others, and no drawn-out attempt to stonewall in hopes that it will blow over.

Now NY is to be led by a guy, an old Albany pol, who is blind in one eye and can't see out of the other.:laugh:

nacktman

03-13-2008, 05:44 AM

usmc1

03-13-2008, 06:02 AM

Mark, thanks! My father was also the sort of man that saw the real issues with great clarity, I appreciate your bringing the discussion around to where it belongs. I think the rest of us were developing a marvelous grasp of the obvious.

sdson

03-13-2008, 06:23 AM

Why is failing to keep your penis under control inexcusable and requires immediate resignation. But lying, spying, and killing innocent people in a fraudulent war while enriching your cronies and yourself is not?

Isn't it funny that the FBI and Justice Department no longer investigate bank robberies or any number of violent crimes because they are so tasked with fighting terrorism, but they have the resources to bust up a call girl ring - something normally done by State Police and never by the feds. Or that the guy who ran the call girl ring just happened to be an enrolled IRS agent? Or that they claim he was suspected of laundering his own money?

You nailed it!

David77

03-13-2008, 08:27 AM

But, part of the "punishment" ought to be treatment to restore, or enable, them to make the choice not to do the crime.

Absolutely!

David77

03-13-2008, 08:34 AM

With Spitzer resigning, the Lieutenant Governor, David A Paterson, will become governor, and he will be New York's first black governor.

BinCo

03-13-2008, 09:54 AM

What everyone seems to be missing is that the investigation that led to this was in bank transfers to bogus companies that brought about the suspicion of fraud and corruption.

I heard a long story yesterday on NPR about banking practices. They have computer programs that flag accounts that are making unusual transfers. If I were to start making wire transfers in the amounts of $5K or so it would raise a red flag. I so rarely make transfers that the account gets flagged to look at closer. They also said that there is more scrutiny for all public elected officials because of their position. Eliot just missed the class where they mentioned this during law school. :)

As far as the prostitute and the guys poor wife. I would bring the hottie on stage and proclaim to the world. "Can you blame me? Look at her, she is totally smokin hot." :laugh:

KirkOntario

03-13-2008, 02:07 PM

nacktman

03-13-2008, 02:10 PM

EricNY

03-13-2008, 02:47 PM

Methinks, the man doth protest too much!

What do they say about secretly lusting?

Off topic!

nacktman

03-13-2008, 02:51 PM

How so?

The discussion of 'support' or lack thereof of prostitution has been raised earlier in this discussion as had the duality of railing against something publicly while lusting for it or engaging in it privately.

KirkOntario

03-13-2008, 03:35 PM

Predictable. I notice a definite lack of the "Democrat" attached to Spitzer's scandal unlike the MSM's repetitious "Republican Senator, Larry Craig" label last year....

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/03/13/while-no-d-eliot-spitzer-vitter-craig-always-tagged-gop

"My colleague Brent Baker has painstakingly documented how the big three broadcast networks have gone out of their way to avoid labeling scandal-scarred New York Governor Eliot Spitzer as a “Democrat.” An examination of the fifteen ABC, CBS and NBC morning and evening news shows through Wednesday night finds Spitzer was called a Democrat just 20% of the time — twice on CBS, once on ABC, and never on NBC."

Skinview

03-13-2008, 04:01 PM

I don't understand this support for prostitution. Prostitution like slavery is degrading and involves trafficking in human beings. The women don't enjoy their work (Spitzer is repulsive). They do it for money and they are usually drug addicts or otherwise messed up young people. Men hire these women because they being able to buy another human being --it is a power trip.

Just a minute ago I heard a psychoanalist on ABC news say that the prostitutes get a feeling of power.
You could say that trading football players is "trafficking in human beings". I don't think prostitution is degrading. The degrading part is when other people say prostitutes are "messed up" and immoral, and condemn what they do. And I don't know about everyone else here, but I didn't enjoy most of the jobs I have had either.
Many prostitutes have hard lives, some are getting rich, all chose to do it.

Boreas

03-13-2008, 04:03 PM

I don't understand this support for prostitution. Prostitution like slavery is degrading and involves trafficking in human beings. The women don't enjoy their work (Spitzer is repulsive). They do it for money and they are usually drug addicts or otherwise messed up young people. Men hire these women because they being able to buy another human being --it is a power trip.

My goodness, Kirk and I have a point of agreement!!! Is that allowed? Well said Kirk.

As far as the prostitute and the guys poor wife. I would bring the hottie on stage and proclaim to the world. "Can you blame me? Look at her, she is totally smokin hot." :laugh:

I heard another view of why the wife might want to stand on stage. She is in fact giving a message to the "other woman"......"I am the wife, you can't have him. I win, you lose". Or something to that effect. It can be a statement of victory.

Sanslines

03-13-2008, 04:11 PM

Boreas

03-13-2008, 04:20 PM

Just a minute ago I heard a psychoanalist on ABC news say that the prostitutes get a feeling of power.
You could say that trading football players is "trafficking in human beings". I don't think prostitution is degrading. The degrading part is when other people say prostitutes are "messed up" and immoral, and condemn what they do. And I don't know about everyone else here, but I didn't enjoy most of the jobs I have had either.
Many prostitutes have hard lives, some are getting rich, all chose to do it.

I have worked in addictions for 20+ years and as a result have met many women and men who have been in the sex trade. NONE of them have had a feeling true power. Most had been in the situations which Kirk described. Of course we are both describing Toronto and "normal" sex trade workers. Perhaps you are more familiar with the workers such as the ones Mr. Spitzer would have used.

Qikdraw

03-13-2008, 04:53 PM

I have worked in addictions for 20+ years and as a result have met many women and men who have been in the sex trade. NONE of them have had a feeling true power. Most had been in the situations which Kirk described. Of course we are both describing Toronto and "normal" sex trade workers. Perhaps you are more familiar with the workers such as the ones Mr. Spitzer would have used.

Well we have talked about this before, but I do believe that there is two worlds when it comes to prostitution. One where the situation is not good at all for the woman, and one where the situation is its the woman who makes the choices.

As I see it there are a few, if not more, levels of prostitution. Street prostitutes, college girls, and high end prostitutes that politicians and movie stars use. As I see it it is the street prostitutes that have it the worst off. Then we have the other two which are more than likely done by choice and not forced. (I worked with a girl in a buger joint for awhile, then she quit and I didn't see her for a few months. I saw her at a bar one night and we started talking and she said she was 'escorting' now. Clearly the choice was hers and she didn't seem to regret it at all.)

As I have said before we cannot lump all of prostitution into one little bag. Morals don't mean anything in this arguement either as people have different ideas on what is moral.

Qikdraw

KirkOntario

03-13-2008, 05:09 PM

Very few of these girls 'get rich' and they may claim to be 'happy' as a defence to how they are judged when they are doing it they regret having done it later. "Kristen" who serviced Mr. Spitzer has a bio describing homelessness, hopelessness and abandonment. She may cash in on this scandal but she is not a happy person.

Skinview

03-13-2008, 05:51 PM

On the McLair Report on TV tonight, it was stated that it seems the evidence from the bank shows that Spitzer spent at least a total of $80,000 on prostitutes.

One lawyer, on this program, stated that he could not understand why someone who is so very much in the public eye, and had so much to loose, would hire the several prostitutes who could readily reveal him.

He concludes that Spitzer needs treatment for a sex addiction instead of prosecution.
I certainly agree that Spitzer suffers from sort of dysfunction. He knew the risks, and consequences, and certainly knew how to do things in a way that would not lead back to him. No, this boy wanted "caught and stopped."
All this is silly. I have a reference book from 1982 that states that 52% of college educated males over 35 have visited a prostitute. Spitzer evidently had lots of money to spend on the really expensive women, and he got away with it for years. Sex drives people to take all kinds of risks. We could spend a long time listing all the sex scandels we can remember, and who knows how many guys got away with it. Lets see, there is our last President of the United States....

Naturist Mark

03-13-2008, 06:53 PM

Predictable. I notice a definite lack of the "Democrat" attached to Spitzer's scandal unlike the MSM's repetitious "Republican Senator, Larry Craig" label last year....

I'll bet that Fox labeled him as a Democrat. In fact, the media is so keen to label sex offenders as Democrats that they regularly convert Republicans to Democrats:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/BlueHorde/vitter.jpg

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/Foley%20and%20balanced-thumb.jpg http://bostonist.com/attachments/boston_caroline/101707-larry-craig-whdh.jpg

Boreas

03-13-2008, 08:23 PM

The Republicans do seem to at least have more colourful sex scandals that the Dems do.

scubare

03-13-2008, 09:13 PM

... my way or the highway iron fisted ruler. His abrasive attitude made it impossible to get things done. Basically, he couldn't play well with others. Governor or not decisions are not made individually in a vacuum.

Boy, just change president for governor, and I'd swear you were talking about Bush! :laugh:

Skinview

03-13-2008, 09:17 PM

As I see it there are a few, if not more, levels of prostitution.... I worked with a girl in a buger[sic] joint for awhile, then she quit and I didn't see her for a few months.Did that have something to do with sodomy??

Ken Palmer

03-13-2008, 09:26 PM

Well, as most of you probably know by now, the Governor of the State of New York has voluntarily resigned in the face of the prostitution scandal he was involved in. Although it is a very disgraceful situation he partook in, I do at least admire how he admitted his involvement and further accepted full responsibility for his actions and apologized for it. I am in full agreement on this aspect. A person in his/her position has a standard of behavior to adhere to that is above that of the average person. I am sure this is common knowledge. So, in my opinion, he was absolutely correct in deciding to step down. But there is still an even uglier side to this. He is married and has three daughters I believe unless I am wrong. Nevertheless, he will have to live with that guilt for the rest of his life as well as reconcile with his family. That is always the most difficult part of it, I can imagine.

Ken Palmer

Qikdraw

03-13-2008, 10:03 PM

Did that have something to do with sodomy??

LOL

I thik I ned to speel chck mu posts a littel bteter.

Qikdraw

nacktman

03-14-2008, 03:17 AM

The Republicans do seem to at least have more colourful sex scandals that the Dems do.

Could be all that denying, whining, obfuscating, they do about it when they are caught with their pants down that has something to do about it.
That and the fact they tend to go for children and same sex encounters in lieu of trysts with someone of the opposite sex and an adult to boot.

KirkOntario

03-14-2008, 03:29 AM

I'll bet that Fox labeled him as a Democrat. In fact, the media is so keen to label sex offenders as Democrats that they regularly convert Republicans to Democrats:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/BlueHorde/vitter.jpg

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/Foley%20and%20balanced-thumb.jpg http://bostonist.com/attachments/boston_caroline/101707-larry-craig-whdh.jpg

No, Mark it's the other way around. Spitzer was named as a Republican by AFP.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080312/img/ppl-us-politics-newyork-gov-1-4e48f9b2ad981.html

Naturist Mark

03-14-2008, 05:37 AM

No, Mark it's the other way around. Spitzer was named as a Republican by AFP.

Given recent history, it's easy to see why they were confused.

Skinview

03-14-2008, 06:05 AM

Given recent history, it's easy to see why they were confused.Was Clinton so very long ago?

Boreas

03-14-2008, 07:39 AM

That and the fact they tend to go for children and same sex encounters in lieu of trysts with someone of the opposite sex and an adult to boot.

That was my perception.

Boreas

03-14-2008, 07:40 AM

Was Clinton so very long ago?

Ancient history, and minor in comparison.

BinCo

03-14-2008, 10:56 AM

You have to kive kudos to the guy for standing up and stepping down, unlike so many other politicians who get caught with something besides their hands in something besides the cookie jar.

Mark, I laughed so hard at the picture of Mark Foley. Not because of the picture, but the website it came from. sweetjesusihatebillorielly!!! That's good humor.:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

BinCo

03-14-2008, 11:06 AM

No, Mark it's the other way around. Spitzer was named as a Republican by AFP.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080312/img/ppl-us-politics-newyork-gov-1-4e48f9b2ad981.html

Yahoo news from the UK?? Come on. Can't you get something a little more local to transfer a Democrat to a Republican in a sex scandle? I see Mark brought forth Fox News, from this side of the pond at least.:p

KirkOntario

03-14-2008, 12:04 PM

Ah, I knew being a Democrat that it was likely he used other people's money (favourite thing of Democrats) to pay for his liasons.....have to see what the investigation shows up.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/nyregion/14spitzer.html?ei=5065&en=6ff414965a631258&ex=1206158400&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

"ALBANY — Federal prosecutors are investigating whether Gov. Eliot Spitzer used campaign funds in connection with his meetings with prostitutes, including payments for hotels or ground transportation, three people with knowledge of the investigation said.

Prosecutors have asked the governor’s lawyers about the travel arrangements for three trips, including his Feb. 13 rendezvous with a prostitute at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington. The United States attorney’s office in Manhattan has also asked about the governor’s use of car services during trips to Washington."

BinCo

03-14-2008, 01:46 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23619412/?GT1=43001

Looks like she is being sought after for a lot of things. I can imagine that her price has gone up quite a bit. Didn't the girls from Survivor get several hundred grand for thier Playboy shots? Her MySpace page was pulled for having too much traffic, 5M hits. Her music is being played on the radio. This might actually end up being the best thing for her.:greedy::greedy::greedy::adoration:

How is it that Nacktman puts it? "When life gives you lemons, make cherry pie" I think she is going to do just that, without ever being subjected to those goons on American Idol.:laugh:

You go girl!:applause:

nacktman

03-14-2008, 02:13 PM

Wcstflyer

03-14-2008, 03:43 PM

Eliot Spitzer joins a long line of proud politicians who have let their little head rule the big one. When I was a teenager, the powerful Ways and Means Chairman Wilbur Mills ended up drunk and wet in the tidal basin with a stripper named Fanne Fox (actual name: Annabell Battistella.) That pretty much ended his career. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,911535,00.html

At least congressman Mills escaped his predicament with his life. Not so lucky was Governor and one time Presidential candidate Nelson Rockefeller. On January 26, 1979 one could say that the influential Republican both came...and went simultaneously. He expired from a massive heart attack while having sex in his office with longtime mistress Megan Marshak. It took a protracted amount of time before the authorities were notified and even more for the poor PR people to attempt some form of feasible explanation. Said a surviving son in a solemn statement: "Ms. Marshak made my father very happy." http://www.christers.net/veeps/nelson-rockefeller.html

Naturist Mark

03-14-2008, 04:05 PM

OK, I have some questions ...
...
Isn't it funny that the FBI and Justice Department no longer investigate bank robberies or any number of violent crimes because they are so tasked with fighting terrorism, but they have the resources to bust up a call girl ring - something normally done by State Police and never by the feds. Or that the guy who ran the call girl ring just happened to be an enrolled IRS agent?

A letter from investigative journalist Greg Palast connects the dots:
The $200 billion bail-out for predator banks and Spitzer charges are intimately linked

By Greg Palast

www.GregPalast.com

While New York Governor Eliot Spitzer was paying an ‘escort’ $4,300 in a hotel room in Washington, just down the road, George Bush’s new Federal Reserve Board Chairman, Ben Bernanke, was secretly handing over $200 billion in a tryst with mortgage bank industry speculators.

Both acts were wanton, wicked and lewd. But there’s a BIG difference. The Governor was using his own checkbook. Bush’s man Bernanke was using ours.

This week, Bernanke’s Fed, for the first time in its history, loaned a selected coterie of banks one-fifth of a trillion dollars to guarantee these banks’ mortgage-backed junk bonds. The deluge of public loot was an eye-popping windfall to the very banking predators who have brought two million families to the brink of foreclosure.

Up until Wednesday, there was one single, lonely politician who stood in the way of this creepy little assignation at the bankers’ bordello: Eliot Spitzer.

Who are they kidding? Spitzer’s lynching and the bankers’ enriching are intimately tied.

How? Follow the money.

The press has swallowed Wall Street’s line that millions of US families are about to lose their homes because they bought homes they couldn’t afford or took loans too big for their wallets. Ba-LON-ey. That’s blaming the victim.

Here’s what happened. Since the Bush regime came to power, a new species of loan became the norm, the ‘sub-prime’ mortgage and it’s variants including loans with teeny “introductory” interest rates. From out of nowhere, a company called ‘Countrywide’ became America’s top mortgage lender, accounting for one in five home loans, a large chuck of these ‘sub-prime.’

Here’s how it worked: The Grinning Family, with US average household income, gets a $200,000 mortgage at 4% for two years. Their $955 a month payment is 25% of their income. No problem. Their banker promises them a new mortgage, again at the cheap rate, in two years. But in two years, the promise ain’t worth a can of spam and the Grinnings are told to scram - because their house is now worth less than the mortgage. Now, the mortgage hits 9% or $1,609 plus fees to recover the “discount” they had for two years. Suddenly, payments equal 42% to 50% of pre-tax income. Grinnings move into their Toyota.

Now, what kind of American is ‘sub-prime.’ Guess. No peeking. Here’s a hint: 73% of HIGH INCOME Black and Hispanic borrowers were given sub-prime loans versus 17% of similar-income Whites. Dark-skinned borrowers aren’t stupid – they had no choice. They were ‘steered’ as it’s called in the mortgage sharking business.

‘Steering,’ sub-prime loans with usurious kickers, fake inducements to over-borrow, called ‘fraudulent conveyance’ or ‘predatory lending’ under US law, were almost completely forbidden in the olden days (Clinton Administration and earlier) by federal regulators and state laws as nothing more than fancy loan-sharking.

But when the Bush regime took over, Countrywide and its banking brethren were told to party hardy – it was OK now to steer’m, fake’m, charge’m and take’m.

But there was this annoying party-pooper. The Attorney General of New York, Eliot Spitzer, who sued these guys to a fare-thee-well. Or tried to.

Instead of regulating the banks that had run amok, Bush’s regulators went on the warpath against Spitzer and states attempting to stop predatory practices. Making an unprecedented use of the legal power of “federal pre-emption,” Bush-bots ordered the states to NOT enforce their consumer protection laws.

Indeed, the feds actually filed a lawsuit to block Spitzer’s investigation of ugly racial mortgage steering. Bush’s banking buddies were especially steamed that Spitzer hammered bank practices across the nation using New York State laws.

Spitzer not only took on Countrywide, he took on their predatory enablers in the investment banking community. Behind Countrywide was the Mother Shark, its funder and now owner, Bank of America. Others joined the sharkfest: Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch and Citigroup’s Citibank made mortgage usury their major profit centers. They did this through a bit of financial legerdemain called “securitization.”

What that means is that they took a bunch of junk mortgages, like the Grinnings, loans about to go down the toilet and re-packaged them into “tranches” of bonds which were stamped “AAA” - top grade - by bond rating agencies. These gold-painted turds were sold as sparkling safe investments to US school district pension funds and town governments in Finland (really).

When the housing bubble burst and the paint flaked off, investors were left with the poop and the bankers were left with bonuses. Countrywide’s top man, Angelo Mozilo, will ‘earn’ a $77 million buy-out bonus this year on top of the $656 million - over half a billion dollars – he pulled in from 1998 through 2007.

But there were rumblings that the party would soon be over. Angry regulators, burned investors and the weight of millions of homes about to be boarded up were causing the sharks to sink. Countrywide’s stock was down 50%, and Citigroup was off 38%, not pleasing to the Gulf sheiks who now control its biggest share blocks.

Then, on Wednesday of this week, the unthinkable happened. Carlyle Capital went bankrupt. Who? That’s Carlyle as in Carlyle Group. James Baker, Senior Counsel. Notable partners, former and past: George Bush, the Bin Laden family and more dictators, potentates, pirates and presidents than you can count.

The Fed had to act. Bernanke opened the vault and dumped $200 billion on the poor little suffering bankers. They got the public treasure – and got to keep the Grinning’s house. There was no ‘quid’ of a foreclosure moratorium for the ‘pro quo’ of public bail-out. Not one family was saved – but not one banker was left behind.

Every mortgage sharking operation shot up in value. Mozilo’s Countrywide stock rose 17% in one day. The Citi sheiks saw their company’s stock rise $10 billion in an afternoon.

And that very same day the bail-out was decided – what a coinkydink! – the man called, ‘The Sheriff of Wall Street’ was cuffed. Spitzer was silenced.

Do I believe the banks called Justice and said, “Take him down today!” Naw, that’s not how the system works. But the big players knew that unless Spitzer was taken out, he would create enough ruckus to spoil the party. Headlines in the financial press – one was “Wall Street Declares War on Spitzer” - made clear to Bush’s enforcers at Justice who their number one target should be. And it wasn’t Bin Laden.

It was the night of February 13 when Spitzer made the bone-headed choice to order take-out in his Washington Hotel room. He had just finished signing these words for the Washington Post about predatory loans:

“Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which he federal government was turning a blind eye.”

Bush, said Spitzer right in the headline, was the “Predator Lenders’ Partner in Crime.” The President, said Spitzer, was a fugitive from justice. And Spitzer was in Washington to launch a campaign to take on the Bush regime and the biggest financial powers on the planet.

Spitzer wrote, “When history tells the story of the subprime lending crisis and recounts its devastating effects on the lives of so many innocent homeowners the Bush administration will not be judged favorably.”

But now, the Administration can rest assured that this love story – of Bush and his bankers - will not be told by history at all – now that the Sheriff of Wall Street has fallen on his own gun.

A note on “Prosecutorial Indiscretion.”

Back in the day when I was an investigator of racketeers for government, the federal prosecutor I was assisting was deciding whether to launch a case based on his negotiations for airtime with 60 Minutes. I’m not allowed to tell you the prosecutor’s name, but I want to mention he was recently seen shouting, “Florida is Rudi country! Florida is Rudi country!”

Not all crimes lead to federal bust or even public exposure. It’s up to something called “prosecutorial discretion.”

Funny thing, this ‘discretion.’ For example, Senator David Vitter, Republican of Louisiana, paid Washington DC prostitutes to put him diapers (ewww!), yet the Senator was not exposed by the US prosecutors busting the pimp-ring that pampered him.
Naming and shaming and ruining Spitzer – rarely done in these cases - was made at the ‘discretion’ of Bush’s Justice Department.

Or maybe we should say, 'indiscretion.'

Boreas

03-14-2008, 04:27 PM

Very interesting Mark. Thanks for posting that.

KirkOntario

03-14-2008, 05:03 PM

Croydon

03-15-2008, 03:34 AM

This woman does not 'have it made.' From her bio and the life she's led and the kind of reputation she now has she is an object of pity. Remember Heidi Fleiss, madame to Hollywood...she went to jail, she's had a drug problem and she's been the victim of domestic violence.
I don't feel any pity for her. I disagree with the media in identifying the woman Elliot was seeing. They are sensationalizing the story and the use of her image is disgusting.

P.S.

Those pictures are copy righted images and some media outlets and websites are already in trouble for using the images w/o her permission. I suggest CFI take the picture down.

Her identity should have never been revealed, unless she wanted that done. The above picture came from her myspace acct. Although public, she doesn't identify herself as a prostitute.

Furthermore, I see nothing wrong with the fact that she works as a prostitute. I lived in NYC for 3yrs after college and plan to move back in few yrs but I can say that prostitution isn't a big deal in NYC. It is no big secret amongst the NYPD. It is publicly advertised on websites and local papers. Escort business are common. None of the news of Elliot Spitzer surprises me.

I think it is about time Americans get over their high horses and understand that there is nothing wrong with prostitution. It has been around for centuries. It should be legalized in the U.S. like in some European countries. I do not mean that prostitutes should be able to roam the streets for business but with rules, regulations, and monitoring, it should be legal.

usmc1

03-15-2008, 04:41 AM

nacktman

03-15-2008, 06:54 AM

Skinview

03-17-2008, 12:49 PM

nacktman

03-17-2008, 08:27 PM

Here's a smiley graphic one can use to reply to posts of inane and languid sorts.

http://img84.exs.cx/img84/6927/palizaconsilla7eo.gif

Perfect for one or two posters on this thread in particular.

Feel free to apply liberally!

usmc1

03-18-2008, 11:17 AM

Spitzer's replacement, Patterson, and his wife both disclose past affairs. And, now the former Governor of New Jersey is alledging that he and his long-term boyfriend used to have threesomes with his wife--who is now in a very bitter divorce contest with him.

I gotta give it to y'awl ole yankees up there in NY and Jersey. Y'awl are just a right proper old bunch of horn-doggies aincha?

Dang, I'm thinking it's the winters or something in the water. Those harsh winters, I'm bettin'. Gotta do something other than dig out and snow-mobile, right?

Dang y'awl, pull the blinds or something though! I ain't so sure we need to know all this!

EricNY

03-18-2008, 11:24 AM

They set the record straight about the private affairs, however they have gone to counseling and have worked through there issues.
Secondly, you can't blame Jersey on us in NY:eek:

Qikdraw

03-18-2008, 12:42 PM

They set the record straight about the private affairs, however they have gone to counseling and have worked through there issues.

Yeah I have to give them credit. They headed off rumours and gave it to the media themselves. They both admitted to affairs, they went to councelling to keep their marriage. Really it shows their strength that even in tough times they worked through it and came out a better couple.

Qikdraw

EricNY

03-18-2008, 12:49 PM

That shows the strength of a man to admit an error and do what needs to be done and move on.

I hope Bill Clinton took notes

nacktman

03-18-2008, 01:02 PM

Beat the smear campaign to the punch they did - because you knew it was coming.
But now that sex angle has been blunted we can expect the black and blind angles to be harped on incessantly by the wing-nut noise machine.
Lush Dimbulb is already salivating at the prospect.

... you can't blame Jersey on us in NY:eek:
And, pray tell, why not?!:sneaky:;):laugh:

EricNY

03-18-2008, 01:06 PM

Beat the smear campaign to the punch they did - because you knew it was coming.
But now that sex angle has been blunted we can expect the black and blind angles to be harped on incessantly by the wing-nut noise machine.
Lush Dimbulb is already salivating at the prospect.

And, pray tell, why not?!:sneaky:;):laugh:

Nah....I don't want to tell that story:rolleyes:

Lush Dimbulb :laugh:

usmc1

03-18-2008, 01:32 PM

...Secondly, you can't blame Jersey on us in NY:eek:

What no guilt by association? Well you know where that could go, doncha?

EricNY

03-18-2008, 01:33 PM

What no guilt by association? Well you know where that could go, doncha?

I believe something could be said about Texas too.....no?shocked

usmc1

03-18-2008, 02:46 PM

I believe something could be said about Texas too.....no?shocked

Hah, Texas! Where the men are men and the women are damned glad of it!

Qikdraw

03-18-2008, 05:43 PM

Two interestiing websites.

Letters from Johns (http://lettersfromjohns.blogspot.com/)

Letters from Working Girls (http://lettersfromworkinggirls.blogspot.com/)

Qikdraw

KirkOntario

03-21-2008, 05:59 PM

Qikdraw

03-21-2008, 07:36 PM

nacktman

03-21-2008, 07:45 PM

Where have you been when all the corrupt republicans were being found out?

Seems like right wingers are fine with their own corruption and scandals, but if its a democrat its burn em at the stake.

Qikdraw

First, a very good question, too bad you'll never get an answer.

Second, that is the way their fantasy world works.:cuckoo:

Also, there is another thread for discussion concerning Patterson and doing so here is just another vain attempt to parse and divert.

Qikdraw

03-24-2008, 12:02 PM

Report: GOP operative exposed Spitzer (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stspit0324,0,7842493.story)

Qikdraw

usmc1

03-24-2008, 12:36 PM

One corrupt Democratic politician replaces another? New York deserves better government than this.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/03/21/2008-03-21_paterson_pays_back_campaign_for_hotel_tr.html

"Gov. Paterson says he's reimbursed his campaign for two hotel stays he can't explain while his aides' review found several cases where he used campaign money to pay for men's suits, furniture and bar tabs.

The reimbursements come after Paterson admitted to the Daily News that he may have used his campaign credit card to pay for a hotel visit with one of his lovers."

It must be those Northern climes, Kirk, old boy. Since that arrogant arse Tom Delay was cashiered, we just don't have much going on down here in Texas in the way of political scandals. So, I started nosing around up there in your neck of the words, boy. And guess what I came across.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_ahuvxRitU74/R8hsbwaZQQI/AAAAAAAAF8s/u78Yembm33E/s400/n0228103A.jpeg (http://bp2.blogger.com/_ahuvxRitU74/R8hsbwaZQQI/AAAAAAAAF8s/u78Yembm33E/s1600-h/n0228103A.jpeg)
There is nothing like a fresh political scandal to wake hibernating Canadians from a cold and snowy winter.

Welcome to the Harper-Cadman two-step. A new case of he said-she said is gripping Parliament Hill - and it could be enough to bring the country one step closer to a federal election. The Prime Minister has been searching for an election issue for months.

The controversy is over whether the Prime Minister was aware of an alleged bribe made to a dying MP in order to buy his vote and topple the Liberals back in 2005. The widow of former independent BC MP Chuck Cadman has told an author working on her late husband's biography that two Tory reps came to their home just before that historic vote and offered him a $1 million life insurance policy in exchange for his support. Cadman rejected the offer, supported the Liberals and died several months later. The story today was corroborated today by Cadman's daughter.

Dang ole conservatives scum-suckers are the same up yonder as elsewhere. Wasn't there a story about some of Bush's mendicants trying to coerce an ailing, hospitalized Attorney General into signing off on their shenanigans.

Least when Dems get their fly caught in their zippers it is their own zipper and doesn't involve coercing sick and/or dying people to sign off on their misdeeds.

But, all that aside, your high and mighty pontificating about American politics fades out a bit in the wash when one examines how your own conservatoids behave; just like ours!

Boreas

03-24-2008, 12:41 PM

Qikdraw

03-24-2008, 12:57 PM

Oh, but usmc1, PM Harper says the allegations are "categorically" not true. He MUST be right after all, musn't he???? ;) Instead of proving his innocence, he has launched a libel lawsuit.

Sadly, our PM admires your president. Luckily, we have a minority government, so that limits his powers somewhat. Though the Liberal Party is being rather wimpy these days. Heaven only knows why!

You know the good thng about Canada is that its cicizens actually make a difference. Remember when Harper stopped showign the flag drapped coffins of Canadian soldeirs from Afganistan? (coincidentally after a meeting with a Bush lackey) It went into such outrage that he had to retract that. I'm not a huge fan of Harper, but I can't say that he has done a horrible job either. But then my Canadian news is sometimes hard to get. :p I am in the US, and even 'international' news is about the US.

And then again it may be because of comparision to here Harper is a raging socialist. :D

Qikdraw

Boreas

03-24-2008, 01:41 PM

You know the good thng about Canada is that its cicizens actually make a difference. Remember when Harper stopped showign the flag drapped coffins of Canadian soldeirs from Afganistan? (coincidentally after a meeting with a Bush lackey) It went into such outrage that he had to retract that. I'm not a huge fan of Harper, but I can't say that he has done a horrible job either. But then my Canadian news is sometimes hard to get. :p I am in the US, and even 'international' news is about the US.

And then again it may be because of comparision to here Harper is a raging socialist. :D

Qikdraw

I think you are quite right on your points of view. I think that the reason Harper has done okay is he is in a minority government. I still shudder to think what he might do with a majority. Fortunately, it SEEMS we are not likely to have that anytime soon. I will admit that I find his decisiveness fairly refreshing after Martin's wishy washiness as PM. It isn't that I agree with Harper for the record. I also do not like his tendency to be a bully.....his recent handling of three bills showed some bullying in my opinion. Never-the-less, he is decisive. And he does rather look like a raging socialist compared to what you have!

KirkOntario

03-24-2008, 01:48 PM

Another Democrat sex scandal. Tut tut.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7311625.stm

Boreas

03-24-2008, 02:01 PM

Another Democrat sex scandal. Tut tut.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7311625.stm

Oh Kirk, you are so brilliant with your googling aren't you. :surprised: As if there aren't any Republican or conservative sex scandals. :rolleyes:

Is there a point to your niggly googles? If I had the time, I am sure I could see your google and raise you. It seems to me that at least GOP sex scandals are far more colourful. Hasn't that already been discussed in here anyway? :p

KirkOntario

03-24-2008, 02:03 PM

I didn't google. I read today's headline. Every week a new one.

usmc1

03-24-2008, 03:23 PM

Another Democrat sex scandal. Tut tut.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7311625.stm

What? Jealous? At least it's not about coercing some poor guy on deathbed. Or sniffing around some underage page, or sniffing around the airport men's room doing the toe tap tango.

Naturist Mark

03-24-2008, 03:41 PM

Another Democrat sex scandal. Tut tut.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7311625.stm

This 'scandal' is entering its 6th year. It is old news around here. It is practically required for Detroit mayors to have sex scandals, Kwame can only dream of reaching Coleman Young's batting average.

In fact Kwame's problem is not the sex, he's da mayor, its part of the job. His problem is the allegation of perjury. We'll see how that works out - word is he has a strong "it depends on what the definition of 'is' is" defense.

But if you are interested in ancient sex scandals ...

Tell you what, that ole' son-uva-gun Strom (http://conservativebabylon.lavenderliberal.com/category/strom-thurmond/) will dip his wick anywhere! Ayep.

-Mark

KirkOntario

03-24-2008, 03:52 PM

What? Jealous? .

Please explain what you mean by this comment.

nacktman

03-24-2008, 07:49 PM

What? Jealous?

More likely to be a massive case of envy.;)

usmc1

03-25-2008, 04:48 AM

Please explain what you mean by this comment.
No! ................

Bicycler

03-25-2008, 06:30 AM

I didn't google. I read today's headline. Every week a new one.
Me too. I have noticed that "Culture of Corruption" is no longer in fashion. I wonder what happened.

Fitz1980

03-25-2008, 09:59 AM

Please explain what you mean by this comment.

Probably asking if you are jealous that the guy is getting some action.

KirkOntario

03-25-2008, 10:39 AM

More likely to be a massive case of envy.;)

Correct. He was making another cheapshot.

nacktman

03-25-2008, 04:27 PM

Probably asking if you are jealous that the guy is getting some action.

Yep, that'd be a good bet.
Jealous and envious!

EricNY

03-26-2008, 12:20 AM

The past few posts have very little to do with Spitzer~!

Get on topic or we will end this thread too. I am tired of saying it debate the topic not each other!

nacktman

03-26-2008, 04:38 AM

Q: How can you tell Spitzer is a Democrat?
A: He was caught with a woman.

Skinview

03-26-2008, 04:51 AM

Q: How can you tell Spitzer is a Democrat?
A: He was caught with a woman.

Did Barney Frank write that one?

usmc1

03-26-2008, 05:09 AM

Did Barney Frank write that one?

No, I think if you look a little more closely, you'll see that Nacktman wrote that. :p

KirkOntario

03-27-2008, 05:19 PM

This week's scandal involving a Democrat.....Puerto Rico's Democratic Governor and superdelegate (up for sale to the highest bidder?) has been charged with corruption.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i_7wTc4KZfnUfdS0nSMu0sNC3hPwD8VM1RF01

"SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — Puerto Rico Gov. Anibal Acevedo Vila indignantly denied wrongdoing Thursday and gave no sign he would abandon his re-election effort after being charged with campaign finance violations that carry a penalty of 20 years in prison.

Acevedo, a superdelegate to this summer's Democratic convention, accused U.S. prosecutors of pursuing a politically motivated indictment alleging that the governor and a dozen other people conspired to illegally pay off his campaign debts."

Bicycler

03-27-2008, 05:46 PM

This week's scandal involving a Democrat.....Puerto Rico's Democratic Governor and superdelegate (up for sale to the highest bidder?) has been charged with corruption.

It does look like we are going to see a new Democratic scandal at least once a week. Hillary will proably duplicate her Bosnia fiasco a few more times before November. It's just her nature to lie about her experience - it's the only thing she has left to go after Obama. And Obama's minister is about to move into a 10,000 square foot home in a gated community. That will raise a few eyebrows. And I'm sure that YouTube will have some new Wright episodes. Plus all those Democrat Mayors and Governors out there who are now losing sleep wondering if they're next.

The bottom line is that it looks to me like the Culture of Corruption has switched sides. Not good for the Dems in an election year.

Skinview

03-27-2008, 06:10 PM

Q: How can you tell Spitzer is a Democrat?
A: He was caught with a woman.
Did Barney Frank write that one?
No, I think if you look a little more closely, you'll see that Nacktman wrote that.Barney Frank is a Democrat Congressman, and he is gay. Get it now?

usmc1

03-27-2008, 06:31 PM

Barney Frank is a Democrat Congressman, and he is gay. Get it now?

Yeah, I know that. I drop by Barney's office periodically when I dock with the mother ship in D.C.. He's a stand up guy with just a ton of courage.

But, what's Barney got to with something Nacktman wrote?

You got something against gays? Otherwise why bring up Barney? Nacktman wrote it, not Barney?

So, no, I guess I don't get it. And, I'd really like to get what Barney Frank has to do with Nacktman's post?

Skinview

03-27-2008, 07:55 PM

Yeah, I know that. I drop by Barney's office periodically when I dock with the mother ship in D.C.. He's a stand up guy with just a ton of courage.

But, what's Barney got to with something Nacktman wrote?

You got something against gays? Otherwise why bring up Barney? Nacktman wrote it, not Barney?

So, no, I guess I don't get it. And, I'd really like to get what Barney Frank has to do with Nacktman's post?
Q: How can you tell Spitzer is a Democrat?
A: He was caught with a woman.The suggestion of nacktman's joke is that Democrats are normal heterosexuals, and Republicans are not. Democrat Barney Frank is a counter example of that idea. Who wrote the joke is not the point. I used my question just as a sarcastic vehicle to bring up Barney Frank. I have nothing against gays, although nacktman makes his joke at the expense of gays.

usmc1

03-28-2008, 04:49 AM

The suggestion of nacktman's joke is that Democrats are normal heterosexuals, and Republicans are not. Democrat Barney Frank is a counter example of that idea. Who wrote the joke is not the point. I used my question just as a sarcastic vehicle to bring up Barney Frank. I have nothing against gays, although nacktman makes his joke at the expense of gays.

No Skinview, Nacktman made his joke against the hypocrisy of closeted, gay-bashing chicken hawks, serial child molesters, and glory-hole hypocrites who, for whatever reason, are drawn to the Republican party. Those men are not "gay". Your introducing Barney Frank into the thread was gratuitous and offbase--the offenses of those people have nothing to do with Congressman Frank and/or other homosexuals, bisexuals or anything else in between. Linking him and other gays to those people is wrong and indicative of a very unattractive mindset.

What in the hell, by the way, is a normal heterosexual? Better yet, what is an abnormal heterosexual or homosexual or bi-sexual? Aren't you suggesting that any sexual persuasion, proclivity, desire, fantasy, or activity other than heterosexual is abnormal?

And yes, to answer the unasked question, I do think that preying on minors, entrusted to one's custodianship, for sexual purposes is not normal, or doing the toe-tap-tango for anonymous sex while assuming a gay-bashing public image is not normal, and, I, sure as shooting, do not think that serial sexual abuse of one's children, foster children and anything else that moves is remotely in the realm of that which is commonly termed as "normal". And yes, I do think that sexual attraction and activity between men, between women, between either is normal, as long as the activity is between consenting adults. I do believe that those tormented souls who prey on children or who engage in hypocrisy and gay-bashing while seeking anonymous sex in public restrooms are deserving of what ever public censure, humiliation, ridicule, or scorn that comes their way.

That last was Craig's problem. Not the seeking of anonymous sex with another guy, but the doing it while maintaining a gay-bashing public image and then using his status as a Senator to try to beat the rap.

You thought you were being clever. Nope, you were revealing yourself for what you are.

Skinview

03-28-2008, 06:03 AM

No Skinview, Nacktman made his joke against the hypocrisy of closeted, gay-bashing chicken hawks, serial child molesters, and glory-hole hypocrites who, for whatever reason, are drawn to the Republican party.I see that you don't understand nacktman's joke any more than you did mine.
Those men are not "gay".Hmmm. So what "closeted, gay-bashing chicken hawks" that are "not 'gay'" would you be talking about?
Your introducing Barney Frank into the thread was gratuitous and offbase--the offenses of those people have nothing to do with Congressman Frank and/or other homosexuals, bisexuals or anything else in between. Linking him and other gays to those people is wrong and indicative of a very unattractive mindset.The New York Times reported on July 20, 1990 that the House Ethics Committee recommended "that Representative Barney Frank receive a formal reprimand from the House for his relationship with a male prostitute." In 1990, the House voted 408-18 to reprimand Frank when it was revealed that Steve Gobie, a male escort whom Frank had befriended after hiring him through a personal advertisement, claimed to have conducted an escort service from Frank's apartment when he was not at home.-wikipedia

What in the hell, by the way, is a normal heterosexual? Better yet, what is an abnormal heterosexual or homosexual or bi-sexual?There are many books on human sexuality that can help you with these questions. I refer you to them.
Aren't you suggesting that any sexual persuasion, proclivity, desire, fantasy, or activity other than heterosexual is abnormal?That sweeping conclusion does not follow from my statement.

You thought you were being clever. Nope, you were revealing yourself for what you are.Someone who can understand the jokes that people here post.

KirkOntario

04-02-2008, 07:12 PM

usmc1

04-03-2008, 05:11 AM

Another Democrat involved in a sex scandal...Money would have been better spent on funding ailing liberal talk radio....

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story.aspx?content_id=bf5c0996-2d4e-48db-a3d5-a61fc917e935

"Thomas Athans, 46, co-founder of the liberal TalkUSA Radio network, was stopped by police who were investigating Internet-based prostitution at the hotel, according to a police report obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press under the state Freedom of Information Act.

Athans, in a statement issued by his attorney, apologized and said he "fully cooperated with law enforcement. My family and I are dealing with this matter in a personal and private way.""

I looked,and I looked, and I looked. Then I drank a cup of Joe and looked again. And I did not see a thing in this story about coercing dying men, critically ill men, or underage boys, or embezzlement, or preaching against sin from the pulpit, or any of the other things which have brought on the recent history of GOP scandals. Nor did I see tearful denials or the blaming of the media. Nope not a thing.

Did see a guy caught in a sex sting admitting to it, instead of lying, prevaricating and blaming someone else for the situation. He "fully cooperated" and did not shove a business card at the cops to suggest that he was just too "important" to be charged.

Another post of right-wing flap-doodle and yammer-yammer!

nacktman

04-03-2008, 12:39 PM

Vox Pennae Sonitus!

Right wing noise!<o></o>

unitednudist

04-03-2008, 07:36 PM

Spitzer's Embattled N.Y. Inspector General Resigns
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) ― State Inspector General Kristine Hamann, who was appointed by former Gov. Eliot Spitzer and was criticized for her two investigations into his administration, has resigned.

Her spokesman, Stephen DelGiacco, said Hamann submitted her resignation Thursday and it will be effective April 10. Her one-page letter said she was honored to serve and proud of her accomplishments in just over a year in office.

But Hamann's biggest investigations drew severe criticism by the Senate's Republican majority that was in open conflict with Democratic Gov. Spitzer and his administration.

Republicans faulted her for her investigation of Spitzer when his top aides were accused of plotting to discredit Senate Republican leader Joseph Bruno. Her July 2007 report on the scandal involving the use of state police to compile travel records on Bruno was a one-page letter that said she concurred with Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, who found no laws were broken but that aides had acted inappropriately.

She said she determined in her investigation that she had a conflict of interest because her boss, then-Secretary to the Governor Rich Baum, was one of the Spitzer officials who had internal conversations about the case. Hamann reported to Baum, who recently left the executive chamber.

In February, Hamann also faced scrutiny for her 10-month investigation of a former Spitzer energy policy adviser who was accused of threatening the job of a Republican-appointee on the independent Public Service Commission.

Her investigation found no conclusive proof that Spitzer energy adviser Steven Mitnick threatened the job of state Public Service Commission member Cheryl Buley or tried to force her to vote for Spitzer policies. Buley had said Mitnick threatened her job last year to make room for a Spitzer appointment.

Bruno had no comment, said spokesman Mark Hansen. Bruno and Senate Republicans have questioned Hamann's investigations and whether she was independent from the governor.

The Inspector General's office is responsible for detecting and investigating allegations of corruption, fraud, criminal activity, conflicts of interest and abuse involving state agencies, departments, commissions and authorities headed by appointees of the governor.

Not all of her investigations were contentious.

In December, she found New York City Police Department's crime lab cut corners analyzing evidence and submitted results in drug cases without having done the required tests in 2002. In September she found that while thousands of people waited years for affordable apartments in New York City, the agency that regulates low-cost housing allowed ineligible renters to move into the projects. And on Wednesday, she reported that a former state employee certified more than 200 unqualified crane operators even though they failed the practical exam.

Gov. David Paterson, who succeeded Spitzer last week after he was implicated in a prostitution investigation, is expected to replace Hamann in the $145,000-a-year job.

The governor accepted the resignation and thanked Hamann for her service, said Errol Cockfield, the governor's spokesman. Dennis E. Martin, special deputy to the inspector general, was named acting inspector general.

Hamann spent 30 years in the Manhattan district attorney's office. She served as executive assistant district attorney to Robert Morgenthau since 1998, leading the development of procedures for DNA testing and the creation of a child advocacy center.

Before that, she headed the office's criminal court trial division and headed training efforts for three years and worked briefly in the district attorney's office when Spitzer worked there.

(© 2008 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.
Click here (http://wcbstv.com/local/kristine.hamann.resignation.2.691551.html)to view article.

unitednudist

04-03-2008, 07:38 PM

Spitzer Scandal Helps Business At Mayflower Hotel
Gift-Shop Sales Soar
WASHINGTON (AP) ― The souvenirs are flying off the shelves at the Washington, D.C. hotel where Eliot Spitzer allegedly had a tryst with a high-priced call girl.

The tiny gift shop at the Mayflower Hotel has been doing a brisk business in merchandise since the scandal erupted last month, leading to Spitzer's resignation as governor.

The hotel's management says items with the Mayflower logo and the longtime catchphrase, "Washington's Second Best Address" are hot items.

At least one souvenir hunter has gone to extremes. The hotel says the sign for Room 871 -- the one where Spitzer's alleged encounter occurred -- disappeared a few weeks ago.

(© 2008 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)

Click here (http://wcbstv.com/local/mayflower.hotel.eliot.2.691344.html) to view article.

Skinview

04-03-2008, 08:09 PM

I looked,and I looked, and I looked. Then I drank a cup of Joe and looked again. And I did not see a thing in this story about coercing dying men, critically ill men, or underage boys, or embezzlement, or preaching against sin from the pulpit, or any of the other things which have brought on the recent history of GOP scandals. Nor did I see tearful denials or the blaming of the media. Nope not a thing.

Did see a guy caught in a sex sting admitting to it, instead of lying, prevaricating and blaming someone else for the situation. He "fully cooperated" and did not shove a business card at the cops to suggest that he was just too "important" to be charged.

Maybe they think they are as important as Ted Kennedy. Besides, they didn't kill anyone, or leave the scene of an accident. Or maybe they thought if they just got behind a podium and waved their finger and said "I did not have sexual relations..." And they didn't push a claim to the Supreme Court that they were too important and "were too busy carrying out their duties" to deal with the issue.

usmc1

04-04-2008, 07:50 AM

Maybe they think they are as important as Ted Kennedy. Besides, they didn't kill anyone, or leave the scene of an accident. Or maybe they thought if they just got behind a podium and waved their finger and said "I did not have sexual relations..." And they didn't push a claim to the Supreme Court that they were too important and "were too busy carrying out their duties" to deal with the issue.

Maybe my pecans will turn into gold nuggets. Then, maybe, I'd be rich enough to buy a Senate seat. But, maybe does not always add up to yes.

But, Kennedy was in an accident, and Clinton defined sexual relations as intercourse-- a lot of philandering husbands make those sorts of distinctions. How do the maybes about them have anything at all to do with the laundry list of excesses, rip-offs, scandals, lies, cheating, and outright criminality of the Republicans over the past 7-years?

Nero fiddled while rome burned, and that does not make arson OK.

But, you cite a couple of things that happened over seveal decades, we've listed numerous things involving the GOP and Christian Right over the past several years.

Skinview

04-04-2008, 10:49 AM

But, Kennedy was in an accident, and Clinton defined sexual relations as intercourse-- a lot of philandering husbands make those sorts of distinctions. How do the maybes about them have anything at all to do with the laundry list of excesses, rip-offs, scandals, lies, cheating, and outright criminality of the Republicans over the past 7-years?Kennedy broke the law, and he wasn't even charged because he was a Kennedy and a Senator. He is in office right now. Clinton was our last President. I don't recall him parsing a narrow definition of any other words besides "is". Its all more of the same. Scandals are bipartisan, and those two Democrats were doing exactly what you were suggesting are uniquely Republican acts.

Did see a guy caught in a sex sting admitting to it, instead of lying, prevaricating and blaming someone else for the situation. He "fully cooperated" and did not shove a business card at the cops to suggest that he was just too "important" to be charged.
Another Democrat flap doodle yammer yammer post. Perhaps we can lay off the smear campaign and discuss issues.

usmc1

04-04-2008, 11:44 AM

Perhaps we can lay off the smear campaign and discuss issues.

Gee, I thought you'd never ask..here's some issues for you:

Semi-Comprehensive List of Republican Scandals, Corruption Cases, etc.

From <CITE>ccmask</CITE>at Firedoglake (http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/03/crossing-the-line/#respond):

Jack Abramoff -prison
Bob Allen -Veteran Park sex scandal
George Allen -called an American voter a Macaca
Michael Ray Aquino -involved in espionage thru Cheney’s office
Dan Bartlett -DOJ Investigation
Michael Battle -Resigned after informing usa’s of their firing
Ken Blackwell- Election Theft
John Bolton - Resigned. Encouraged the words Yellowcake uranium in Bush’s SOTUS
Michael Brown -Resigned over his handling of Katrina and aftermath.
Conrad Burns –dropped out
George W. Bush -Invaded countries under false pretences
Ken Calvert’s - land deal scrutiny
Andy Card - Resigned. Played a critical role in justifying the Iraq war.
Tucker Carlson -Tracked & beat up a gay man with a buddy
Dick Cheney -Involved in Plame affair; said troops would be greeted with flowers
Susan Collins - Incorrectly claimed a dem tracker acted inappropriately towards her
Ann Coulter -Voter Fraud
Larry Craig -resigns over public toilet sex scandal
Duke Cunningham -prison
Tom DeLay -dropped out – Under indictment
Lorita Doan - Hatch Act violations
Pete Domenici -Iglesias firing investigation
John Doolittle -Entangled with the Jack Abramoff Affair
Lance Dutson - Susan Collins campaign staffer, called FDL a “foul mouth femblog”
Barry S. Edward -Rudy fundraiser steps down wrt sex & stolen computers
Michael Elston -Resigned after urging 4 fired attorneys to keep quiet
Alan B. Fabian -Romney co-chairman indicted fraud, obstruction & laundering
Italia Federici - Resigned. Convicted of obstruction of justice/Abramoff
Tom Feeney -focus Abramoff investigation
Douglas Feith -Resigned OSP. Manipulated intelligence to bolster war in Iraq
Ari Fleisher - Resigned; Involved in Plame Affair
Dusty Kyle Foggo -Indicted for fraud, conspiracy & money laundering
Mark Foley -sex scandal
Jeff Gannon -Illegal White House entry
Steven Griles - Resigned. Convicted of obstruction of justice/Abramoff
Alberto Gonzales- Cut & Run on heels of investigation
Monica Goodling - Heavily involved in planning USA’s dismissals
J. Timothy Griffin - Resigns after Palast turns over 500 RNC emails sent by Griffin
Ted Haggard -removed for sex and drug abuse scandal
Katherine Harris -dropped out; Gave Florida to GW Bush
Duncan Hunter -Involved in ongoing Abramoff investigation
Bernard Kerik -Under scrutiny for tax invasion
Won Kim-Resigns amid DOJ scandal
Doug Lamborn -Left threatening voicemails to locals questioning his fundraising
Ken Lay -Bush’s biggest contributor scams millions
Jerry Lewis -under federal investigation
Scooter Libby -Guilty by his peers; Innocent by his Prez
Rush Limbaugh - Illegal drug use and Importation
Mary Matalan -Attended meetings of the secretive Iraq Study Group
Paul McNulty -Resigned after saying the WH not involved in DOJ scandal
Harriet Miers -DOJ Investigation Subpeona Refusal
Gary Miller -FBI investigation on tax evasion; Withdrew DHS nomination
Lisa Murkowski -land deal scandal
Bob Ney -prison
Wally O’Dell -Bush fundraiser and CEO of Diebold; Insider trading suspicion
Richard Perle -Resigned. Bribery accusations and conflicts of interest.
Richard Pombo -Allegation of corruption and misuse of official resources
Susan Ralston -Resigned. Testified that Rove used RNC email system always
Thomas Ravenel -Indicted on Cocaine charges
Ralph Reed - investigation for his part in Abramoff scandal
Rick Renzi -home raided
Mitt Romney-Lack of oversight of Big Dig causes death of Milena Delvalle
Karl Rove -Resigned for involvement of AG scandal; Hatch Act; Outed CIA agent
John Rowland - convicted and sent to jail for bribe-taking and kickbacks.
Don Rumsfeld -Resigned. Failed to plan for a post-war Iraq.
David Safavian -convicted in Jack Abramoff scandal
Kyle Sampson - Resigned over the AG Scandal
Michael Scanlon -Guilty of corruption charges in Abramoff scandal
Brad Schlozman -resigned amid charges of politicizing DoJ
Jean Schmidt -Called Jack Murtha a coward during an Iraq debate.
Ted Stevens -under investigation
Sara Taylor -resigns amid DOJ scandal, not recalling anything.
David Vitter -sex scandals
David Wurmser -Questioned by FBI about passing classified info to Chalabi
Curt Weldon -dropped out
Heather Wilson -Iglesias firing investigation
Paul Wolfowitz -Resigned as Pres. Of World Bank for a companions’ promotion.
Don Young -under investigation
Yep, GOP wins!

Sanslines

04-05-2008, 05:03 PM

For the sake of fairness and completion:

Democrat Scandals

William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate - Pardongate
Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.
Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.
DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.
Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.
Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.
James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.
Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.
Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..
Eliot Spitzer- Democrat - New York governor - resigned from office after being tied to a prostitution ring.
Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.
Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.
Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.
Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.
George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.
Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelmanand his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.
John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator
Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.
James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.
Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.
Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.
Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000.
Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison
Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.
John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.
John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison
Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.
Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges.
Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.
Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.
Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.
Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city contracts.
Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.
Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.
Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.
Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors.
David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.
Gary Siplin - Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees for his candidacy.
Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat -U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.
Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.
Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.
Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI.
James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges. Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.
John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years of probation.
Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.
David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prison.
John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine
Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.
Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.
Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute
Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced to prison.
Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.
David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.
James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of the Whitewater investigation.
Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.
William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.
Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count and sentenced to probation.
Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in prison.
Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.
Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges - sentenced to 21 months in prison.
Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting gratuities while in office.
Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in prison.
Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal prison.
Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.
Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.
Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign and testimonial funds to his own use
Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.
Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.
Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.
Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.
Otto Kerner, Jr - Democrat -Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000 in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined $50,000.
George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.
Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax evasion, conspiracy, and perjury
Mark B. Jimenez - Democrat fundraiser - sentenced to 27 months in prison on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and commit election financing offenses.
Bobby Lee Rush - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.
Bolley ''Bo'' Johnson - Democrat - Former Florida House Speaker - received a two-year term for tax evasion.
Roger L. Green - Democrat - Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not pay for and was sentenced to fines and probation.
Gloria Davis - Democrat - Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.

The above information was compiled from our knowledge, various news articles and
http://politicalgraveyard.com/index.html

(It just goes to show that neither party has a monopoly on corruption!)

Sanslines

04-05-2008, 05:10 PM

Now, if the above wasn't bad enough.........

July 14, 2007
No party label for Democrat scandals

Thomas Lifson
One the most comic aspects of liberal media bias is the well-established pattern of identifying politicians caught up in scandal by party only when they are Republicans. Democrats rarely if ever are identified by party. The past week supplies a good example courtesy of the New York Times and AP, arguably the two organizations which do the most to shape national political coverage.

In a Times editorial (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/14/opinion/14sat4.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) today on the outrageous abuse of taxpayer funds by Newark's former mayor Democrat Sharpe James, his political affiliation is nowhere mentioned.

Sharpe James, the former mayor of Newark who was indicted this week on corruption charges, has for years exhibited a finger-in-the-eye arrogance. Still, the 33-count indictment against him is stunning, most of all for the list of luxuries he allegedly charged to taxpayers of his impoverished city. Among the standouts: multiple tropical vacations and a trip to Florida to test drive a Rolls-Royce.
The same goes for the AP, as pointed out by the blog Nalert (http://nalert.blogspot.com/).

A federal grand jury indicted a former Newark Mayor, Sharpe James, on corruption charges Thursday, accusing him of fraud in the sale of city-owned land and using city credit cards to spend extravagantly on himself and several women.

The 33-count indictment charges Mr. James with allegedly facilitating and approving the cut-rate sales of city-owned land to a female companion.
But when Senator David Vitter was reported to have used an escort service, the Times ran an AP story (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/10/washington/10escort.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1184430277-yw5noiDpLl0NQ8H9Qjz1cA) in which "Republican" was the fourth word of the story. They just couldn't wait to trumpet the GOP affiliation:

Senator David Vitter, Republican of Louisiana, apologized Monday for "a very serious sin in my past" after his telephone number appeared among those associated with an escort service that operated here for 13 years.
The fact is that when he was in office, Sharpe James was a power in New Jersey Democratic politics and was supported by every prominent NJ Democrat office-holder in his two election contests against the honest Cory Booker, who won the second contest and now serves as mayor of Newark. Reader s are urged to view the excellent 2005 movie Street Fight (http://imdb.com/title/tt0457496/), about Booker's first losing contest against James, who comes across as a corrupt thug. But that didn't stop the likes of Jon Corzine and Jesse Jackson from supporting him.

It is a measure of the contempt that the liberal media have for their readers that they engage in transparently obvious manipulation of the news like this. But of course, readers increasingly reciprocate the contempt, and ultimately the New York Times and AP (among others) are paying a steep price for their hypocrisy.

(Some scream that the media is left wing. Others scream that the media is right wing. The fact is that some is left wing and some is right wing. No mysteries there..........)

Sanslines

04-05-2008, 05:16 PM

New Jersey : Democrat Stronghold and Bastion of Corruption

<TABLE class=contbl cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=763 border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=cw width=428><CENTER>http://www.nj.com/images/corruption/corruption_masthead.gif</CENTER>Rogues Gallery

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/barnes.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Barnes</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Martin Barnes
The ex-mayor of Paterson was indicted and convicted of accepting lavish gifts in exchange for city contracts.
Marty shows no remorse (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030429sl_barnes.html) (April 23, 2003, Star-Ledger)
The accusations (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/020125sl_barnes_graft.html) (January 5, 2002, Star-Ledger)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/barry.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Barry</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Joe Barry
The real estate mogul and associate Paul Byrne were indicted on charges that they tried to buy off Hudson County official.
Barry headed to the big house (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20041022jj_barry.html) (Oct. 22, 2004, Jersey Journal)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/bost.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Bost</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Sara Bost
Although she never admitted taking bribes, the ex-Irvington mayor got more than a slap on the wrist when it came to sentencing.
Bost in prison camp (http://nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20031202sl_bost_wva.html) (Dec. 2, 2003, Star-Ledger)
A harsh reprimand (http://nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20030909sl_bost_judgment.html) (Sept. 9, 2003, Star-Ledger)
Bost pleads guilty (http://nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20030424sl_bost_admit.html) (April 24, 2003, Star-Ledger)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/braker2.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Braker</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• William Braker
Ex-Hudson County freeholder William Braker pleads guilty to attempted extortion.
Braker admits shakedown (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1088586743256310.xml&coll=3) (June 30, 2004, Jersey Journal)
Braker gets 41 months (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1103796909104500.xml&coll=3) (Dec. 23, 2004, Jersey Journal)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/byrne.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Byrne</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Paul J. Byrne
The former Hudson County Democratic power broker suffered heart failure and a stroke while awaiting conviction on corruption charges.
Byrne expires at home (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050506jj_byrne_dies.html) (May 6, 2005, Jersey Journal)
...Meanwhile, his pal goes to jail (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050506sl_byrne_bobbyj.html) (May 6, 2005, Star-Ledger)
Byrne: I'm ready for death (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050426nn_byrne_peace.html) (April 26, 2005, Newhouse News)
Byrne zings Bobby J. (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20031016jj_byrne_zings.html) (Oct. 16, 2003, Jersey Journal)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/davila_colon2.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Davila-Colon</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Nidia Davila-Colon
Unbelievably, voters elected this ex-Hudson County freeholder to another term while she was under indictment. Her tenure was short-lived after she was found guilty of passing bribes.
Prisoner 25094-050 (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20040317jj_davilacolon_prisoner.html) (Mar. 17, 2004, Jersey Journal)
Nidia gets 37 months (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20031216sl_nidia_sentence.html) (Dec. 16, '03, Star-Ledger)
Davila-Colon resigns (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030627jj_davilacolon_resignation.html) (June 27, 2003, Jersey Journal)
The conviction (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030624jj_davilacolon_conviction.html) (June 24, 2003, Jersey Journal)
Chronology of events (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030624jj_davilacolon_chronology.html) (June 24, 2003, Jersey Journal)
Pols mum on conviction (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030624jj_davilacolon_polsmum.html) (June 24, 2003, Jersey Journal)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/free.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Free</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Jerry Free
The head of United Gunite, the Irvington sewer company that scored dirty government contracts. Free turned government informant and now lives in opulent exile in Florida. His trail of deceit is still unraveling.
Free gets house arrest (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050413sl_free_sentence.html) (April 13, 2005, Star-Ledger)
Still wheeling and dealing (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050410sl_free_wheeling.html) (April 10, 2005, Star-Ledger)
A tale of graft (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030124sl_gunite_free.html) (January 24, 2003, Star-Ledger)
Exile of a salesman (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030725sl_exile.html) (January 24, 2003, Star-Ledger)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/impreveduto.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Impreveduto</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Anthony Impreveduto
The longtime Hudson County assemblyman got five years probation and various fines after pleading guilty to using campaign funds to pay personal expenses.
Ex-Hudson pol fined (http://www.nj.com/corruption/stories/index.ssf?/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050125sl_impreveduto_fine.html) (Jan. 25, 2005, Star-Ledger)
Family was on payroll (http://www.nj.com/corruption/stories/index.ssf?/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20041121sl_impreveduto.html) (Nov. 21, 2004, Star-Ledger)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/janiszewski.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Janiszewski</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Robert Janiszewski
The ex-Hudson County exec was nabbed for taking bribes. Now, "Janu" is the feds' star witness in a litany of cases against other corrupt Jersey pols.
Bobby J. to 'Abu Gharib' in B'klyn (http://nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050629jj_bobbj_jailbird.html) (June 29, 2005, Jersey Journal)
Judge: Bye-bye, ya bum (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050325jj_bobbyj_max.html) (March 25, 2005, Jersey Journal)
Hudson pols on conviction (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050325jj_bobbyj_polsreact.html) (March 25, 2005, Jersey Journal)
His only backer (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050325jj_bobbyj_backer.html) (March 25, 2005, Jersey Journal)
Kin, friends beg for mercy (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050325jj_bobbyj_kin.html) (March 25, 2005, Jersey Journal)
Ex-secretary: I'd still call him friend (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050325jj_bobbyj_secretary.html) (March 25, 2005, Jersey Journal)
Testimony revealed his corruption (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050325jj_bobbyj_davilacolon.html) (March 25, 2005, Jersey Journal)
Bobby J. brought them down (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050325jj_bobbyj_targets.html) (March 25, 2005, Jersey Journal)
Feds thrilled by star witness (http://nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030625jj_davilacolon_janiszewski.html) (June 25, 2003, Star-Ledger)
A who's who (http://nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20031016jj_janiszewski.html) (October 16, 2003, Jersey Journal)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/larrison.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Larrison</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Harry Larrison Jr.
Nicknamed "Mr. Monmouth County" after serving the region almost 50 years, the ex-freeholder was charged with asking developers to pay for a Florida vacation and other expenses.
'Mr. Monmouth County' dies (http://nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050531sl_larrison.html) (May 31, 2005, Star-Ledger)
Former freeholder charged (http://nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050428sl_larrison.html) (April 28, 2005, Star-Ledger)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/lee.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Lee</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Robert W. Lee Sr.
NJ's ex-chief of boxing and head of the International Boxing Federation was KO'd in '99 for racketeering, money laundering and tax evasion. He ducked jailtime for years with endless appeals.
To jail at last (http://nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20040629sl_lee.html) (June 29, 2004, Star-Ledger)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/milan.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Milan</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Milton Milan
Former Camden mayor Milton Milan was convicted of various corruption charges, including soliciting bribes from mobsters and staging a fake burglary to commit fraud.
Milan gets the max (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20010616ap_milan_max.html) (June 16, 2001, Associated Press)
Milan is convicted (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20001222ap_milan_convicted.html) (December 22, 2000, Associated Press)
Shady leadership haunts Camden (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20001222ap_milan_shady.html) (December 22, 2000, Associated Press)
Mob boss fingers Milan (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20001111ap_milan_mob.html) (November 11, 2000, Associated Press)

• Harry Parkin
The chief of staff to former Mercer County Executive Robert D. Prunetti, Parkin was convicted on corruption charges for using his position to foster a secret financial interest in the county's recycling hauler.
Parkin gets 7.5 years (http://nj.com/news/times/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050826tt_parkin_sentencing.html) (August 26, 2005, The Times, Trenton)
Parkin convicted (http://nj.com/news/times/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050322tt_parkin_conviction.html) (March 22, 2005, The Times, Trenton)
Friend: He wouldn't wear a wire (http://nj.com/news/times/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050322tt_parkin_wire.html) (March 22, 2005, The Times, Trenton)
Jurors mum on decision (http://nj.com/news/times/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050322tt_parkin_jurors.html) (March 22, 2005, The Times, Trenton)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/russo.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Russo</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Anthony Russo
Loud and powerful, the ex-Hoboken mayor was a formidable political opponent -- and an FBI target from the get-go. He plead guilty to mail fraud.
Russo reports to prison (http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050718jj_russo_prison.html) (July 18, 2005, Jersey Journal)
No mercy for Russo (http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050518jj_russo.html) (May 18, 2005, Jersey Journal)
Russo's apology (http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050518jj_russotxt.html) (May 18, 2005, Jersey Journal)
Amidst charges, praise (http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030927jj_russo.html) (September 9, 2003, Jersey Journal)
Cynicism reigns in Hudson (http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/031016jj_russo.html) (September 9, 2003, Jersey Journal)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/scannapieco.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Scannapieco</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Matthew Scannapieco
The ex-Marlboro mayor pleaded guilty to accepting $245,000 in bribes to help builders' reshape the landscape of this fast-growing town.
Ex-mayor faces 15 years (http://nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/20050413sl_scannapieco.html) (April 13, 2005, The Star-Ledger)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=80 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>http://www.nj.com/corruption/pics/treffinger.jpg</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=middle>Treffinger</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>• Jim Treffinger
The ex-Essex County Executive who plead guilty to a host of graft charges said he found religion ... just in time for his sentencing.
Feds seek stiff jail term (http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/031009sl_treffinger_sentence.html) (Oct. 9, 2003, Star-Ledger)
Derailed by his own deceit (http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030531sl_treffinger_ruin.html) (May 31, 2003, Star-Ledger)
Treffinger admits his guilt (http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/corruption/stories/030531sl_treffinger_plea.html) (May 31, 2003, Star-Ledger)

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nacktman

04-06-2008, 05:46 PM

KirkOntario

04-06-2008, 06:11 PM

A friend who tends bar for a living downtown overheard the following exchange between two of the bar's female denizens ...

Chick #1: I just can’t believe Spitzer paid that girl four thousand dollars for one night. I’m totally in the wrong line of work.
Chick #2: I don’t know… you probably wouldn’t get to choose who you have sex with. Spitzer’s an ugly motherfu(ker.
Chick #1: I don’t choose what ad accounts I work on, either! And I hate some of those assholes.
Chick #2: Yeah, but the guy kept his socks on. That’s so weird.
Chick #1: Honey, for four grand a night, he can dress up as Kermit and call me Miss Piggy.

It seems some have the right idea about the entire thing.:laugh:

Wow, your 'friend' is from Manhattan? But you live in North Carolina!

"Chick #1: I just can't believe Spitzer paid that girl four thousand dollars for one night. I'm totally in the wrong line of work.
Chick #2: I don't know... you probably wouldn't get to choose who you have sex with. Spitzer's an ugly ************.
Chick #1: I don't choose what ad accounts I work on, either! And I hate some of those assholes.
Chick #2: Yeah, but the guy kept his socks on. That's so weird.
Chick #1: Honey, for four grand a night, he can dress up as Kermit and call me Piggy."

http://barmaidblog.livejournal.com/tag/overheard

nacktman

04-06-2008, 06:31 PM

Obviously someone cannot recognize a humorous spoof.:rolleyes:

(As a matter of fact I do have a friend in Manhatten who tends bar for a living but that is beside the point.)

Fitz1980

04-07-2008, 10:15 AM