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Sanslines
03-13-2008, 05:31 PM
Dollar losing clout around the world

Even in South America workers prefer euros, other local currencies


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Thurs., March. 13, 2008

SAO PAULO, Brazil - Antique store owners in lower Manhattan, ticket vendors at India's Taj Mahal and Brazilian business executives heading to China all have one thing in common these days: They don't want U.S. dollars.
Hit by a free fall with no end in sight, the once-mighty U.S. dollar is no longer just crashing on currency markets and making life more expensive for American tourists and business people abroad: Its clout is evaporating worldwide as foreign businesses and individuals turn to other currencies.
Experts say the bleak U.S. economic forecast means it will take years for the greenback to recover its value and prestige.

Negative dollar sentiment is growing in nations where the dollar was historically accepted as equal or better than local currency — and dollar aversion is even extending to some quarters in the United States.
At the Taj Mahal, dollars were always legal tender, alongside rupees, for entry into the palace. But because of the falling value of the dollar, the government implemented a rupees-only policy a month ago. Indian merchants catering to tourists have also turned bearish on the dollar.
"Gone are the days when we used to run after dollars, holding onto them for rainy days," said Vijay Narain, a tour operator in the city of Agra where the Taj Mahal is located. "Now we prefer the euro. It gives us more riches."
In Bolivia, billboards feature George Washington's image on a $1 bill alongside a bright pink 500 euro note, encouraging savers to turn to the euro to tuck away money earned abroad or sent home in remittances.
"If the dollar falls ... save in euros!!!" say the signs popping up around La Paz for Bolivia's Banco Bisa.
And in neighboring Brazil, the Confidence Cambio money-changing service was the first to start offering yuan so travelers to China no longer have to change the money into dollars first. The service is already a hit because Brazil does big business with China, and lots of Brazilians are heading to the Olympics this summer.

"Now we tell people not to take dollars when they go abroad, it's better to change it directly to the local currency," said Fabio Agostinho, one of the firm's managing partners. "If people leave here with dollars and go abroad, they lose when they exchange them. It's the same thing whether they're heading to China, Europe or even Argentina."
In Manhattan's Bowery district, Billy LeRoy, the owner of Billy's Antiques & Props, prefers payment in euros so he can stockpile the currency for his annual antique buying trip to Paris.

"Whip out dollars at the French flea market now, and they'll shoo you away," he said at his store near apartment buildings where Europeans are snapping up units because they've become dirt cheap. "Before it was like the second coming of Christ, but now they don't want it or if they do take dollars, they're going to take their pound of flesh."
The dollar has steadily eroded in value against the euro and other currencies since 2002 as U.S. budget and trade deficits ballooned, but fears of an American recession and credit crisis have sent the dollar to stunning lows amid predictions the slump will continue for a long time.
The dollar fell to a 12-year low against the Japanese yen Thursday, dropping below 100 yen to the dollar for the first time since November 1995. The euro rose to all time high and is currently trading above $1.55. Meanwhile gold hit a new benchmark today at $1,000 an ounce. That's a jump of nearly 20 percent just since Jan. 1.

While dollar cycles have come and gone, experts caution that it's now much more difficult to predict when this one will end because the euro didn't exist as competition for the dollar before.
During previous U.S. economic downturns, big foreign funds typically snapped up U.S. Treasury securities, helping to shore up the dollar to a certain degree. But the euro and currencies from other nations are now seen as legitimate options, and interest rates are higher outside the United States — meaning the funds can get better returns on investments elsewhere.
"You have the U.S. still holding this trade deficit, but now you have the possibility of a U.S.-led recession, and you have a weakening currency. So it's a very dark outlook for the dollar," said Gareth Sylvester, senior currency strategist with the British firm HIFX Inc., which executed $40 billion in currency trades last year.

Nations that were once seen as incredibly risky for investments — such as Brazil — are now seen as good long-term bets. And countries such as China and Russia, with burgeoning coffers of money to invest abroad, are thought to be shifting some of their reserves or diversifying fresh income to destinations and currencies outside the United States.
It used to be important for most countries "to accumulate dollars as a precautionary element against rainy days, but the accumulation of reserves has become so large in most emerging market countries that the balance is way beyond what's needed for precautionary reasons," said Eliot Kalter, a fellow at Tufts University's Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy and a former International Monetary Fund official.
While most experts believe the dollar will eventually regain strength, no one is willing to predict when that will happen.
"I think the factors that are affecting the weakness of the dollar will be reversed, but no time soon," Kalter said.
The problem right now, is that "people just don't want to be holding U.S. dollars and U.S.-based equities," Sylvester added. "If you are an investor with a million dollars to invest, you look for the highest yield — you're looking at South Africa, Australia, New Zealand."
And it's not only the big-time investors that are looking for other options.

In Peru, where savings in U.S. dollars were long a popular hedge against inflation, many citizens are closing dollar accounts in favor of Peruvian soles.
At the same time, businesses like supermarkets, movie theaters and cable TV companies that used to accept dollars are now demanding soles.
Edwin Figueroa, a 29-year-old systems engineer, switched his checking account from dollars to soles seven months ago as the dollar's decline started worrying him. He doesn't think he'll be going back anytime soon.
The Peruvian sol "is stable now," he said. "And maybe in a year, the dollar will even go lower."

OZJames
03-13-2008, 05:38 PM
Sanslines QUOTE "Dollar losing clout around the world"

Depends whose dollar you are talking about mate. My wife and I have recently returned from a few weeks in New York having a great time spending our now valuable AUSSIE DOLLARS :D:D. Perhaps you should start advertising in Australia and Europe to encourage travelers to the USA.

Boreas
03-13-2008, 05:41 PM
This is not such a bad thing on one level. We should be using the currency of the country we are in. It is just plain courtesy.

I grew up two hours out of Detroit and spent many years living not far from the US border. Sometimes Americans would make themselves look bad for not getting Canadian currency. It seemed that some people had difficulty with the notion that we are a different country, and we can be a little sensitive here about that. :) I was in Prince Rupert, BC last summer. Cruise ships stop in there for the day and most of the passengers were American. American currency is accepted at Prince Rupert merchants, and generally, Canadian currency is given as change. I heard some people complaining that they did not get US currency back. I did not turn around a let them know it was because we are a different country, even though I was tempted. :sneaky:

I have travelled to Jamaica now and Domincan Republic. I know that the US dollar is widely accepted in both places, and that is a nice convenience. At the same time, it was extremely easy to get and figure out Jamaican dollars, and DR pesos. We were also treated better when we made that effort.

Qikdraw
03-13-2008, 05:58 PM
1 Cdn dollar is 1.01553 US. Currently.

When I came to the US in 2001 I factored that the Cdn dollar was 0.50 US. What a huge change.

Qikdraw

KirkOntario
03-13-2008, 06:06 PM
Canadian dollar never traded below .60 US. The lowest point was about .63. back around that time.

Boreas
03-13-2008, 09:21 PM
1 Cdn dollar is 1.01553 US. Currently.

When I came to the US in 2001 I factored that the Cdn dollar was 0.50 US. What a huge change.

Qikdraw

Yes, I remember paying that. It may not have been the "official trading price" but it was what us mere mortals paid for US $$

Skinview
03-13-2008, 11:53 PM
Sometimes Americans would make themselves look bad for not getting Canadian currency. It seemed that some people had difficulty with the notion that we are a different country, and we can be a little sensitive here about that. :)Hunh? Different country? What do you mean? He he he he he.... (Sorry, Kirk...)


American currency is accepted at Prince Rupert merchants, and generally, Canadian currency is given as change. I heard some people complaining that they did not get US currency back. I did not turn around a let them know it was because we are a different country, even though I was tempted. :sneaky:Panama uses US dollars for its currency. Does anybody else?

nakedjohn
03-14-2008, 06:10 AM
Hopefully the dollar will be back.

Sanslines
03-14-2008, 07:39 AM
Sanslines QUOTE "Dollar losing clout around the world"

Depends whose dollar you are talking about mate. My wife and I have recently returned from a few weeks in New York having a great time spending our now valuable AUSSIE DOLLARS :D:D. Perhaps you should start advertising in Australia and Europe to encourage travelers to the USA.



We actually do not need to advertise as tourists are coming by the plane load from the rest of the world and bus loads from Canada to border cities such as Buffalo NY. They all come with empty suitcase and go home loaded with clothing and other consumer gadgets. There are now ever increasing numbers of British tourists who fly in on a Friday to New York, are taken by bus to some of the large shopping malls in New Jersey on Saturday and Sunday, and then fly back to the UK on Sunday evening. The USA seems to bave become some sort of 'clearing house' where products are made using cheap labor in foreign countries and then shipped to the USA and sold at a fantastic markup to foreign tourists. It is amazing!

nakedjohn
03-14-2008, 07:52 AM
Sanslines,
the US has become an outlet.

Boreas
03-14-2008, 08:20 AM
We actually do not need to advertise as tourists are coming by the plane load from the rest of the world and bus loads from Canada to border cities such as Buffalo NY. They all come with empty suitcase and go home loaded with clothing and other consumer gadgets. There are now ever increasing numbers of British tourists who fly in on a Friday to New York, are taken by bus to some of the large shopping malls in New Jersey on Saturday and Sunday, and then fly back to the UK on Sunday evening. The USA seems to bave become some sort of 'clearing house' where products are made using cheap labor in foreign countries and then shipped to the USA and sold at a fantastic markup to foreign tourists. It is amazing!

Yes, I was one of those Canadian tourists visiting a US city last year. We had a wonderful couple of days in Seattle. It is a nice city. We did not do the major shopping you describe though. I must say it was nice knowing that the dollar prices listed were pretty much the same as what we were used to and that we did not have to factor in a huge exchange rate!

Oh, and we had converted to US currency for our trip. We did not use Canadian currency in the US. :D

Boreas
03-14-2008, 08:22 AM
Hunh? Different country? What do you mean? He he he he he.... (Sorry, Kirk...)

Ha ha ha.....funny guy. :surprised:

MoonShadow
03-14-2008, 08:56 AM
LOL

Yes, come to the US of A for the biggest discounts EVER! We ship the raw materials overseas for $1.00 for the cheap laborers to make and send back to us for $3.00, then we sell to the whole world for $4.00!!!!

That was a good imaginative scenario of the US as an Outlet. And rather much very true.

Skinview
03-14-2008, 09:22 AM
Ha ha ha.....funny guy. :surprised:Many years ago I was in a conversation with a Canadian friend of mine in Buffalo. We were talking about the Space Shuttle, and he puffed up a bit with patriotic pride and said "You know, Canada makes the robotic arm for the Shuttle!" (which I knew). Seeing that particular canadian sensitive spot exposed, the devil took me and I dismissively replied: "Aaaaaa. Canada is just an extension of the United States." He turned maple leaf red, and I thought his head was going to pop off! I almost fell on the floor laughing.

Sanslines
03-14-2008, 09:32 AM
LOL

Yes, come to the US of A for the biggest discounts EVER! We ship the raw materials overseas for $1.00 for the cheap laborers to make and send back to us for $3.00, then we sell to the whole world for $4.00!!!!

That was a good imaginative scenario of the US as an Outlet. And rather much very true.

Yes, and be sure to watch for the flashing blue light specials the next time you arrive at JFK Airport.

Boreas
03-14-2008, 09:58 AM
Many years ago I was in a conversation with a Canadian friend of mine in Buffalo. We were talking about the Space Shuttle, and he puffed up a bit with patriotic pride and said "You know, Canada makes the robotic arm for the Shuttle!" (which I knew). Seeing that particular canadian sensitive spot exposed, the devil took me and I dismissively replied: "Aaaaaa. Canada is just an extension of the United States." He turned maple leaf red, and I thought his head was going to pop off! I almost fell on the floor laughing.

Yep, we can be a little touchy about that stuff. And Buffalo/Niagara area might be a little more sensitive. After all the Revolutionary war in 1776 (many of our crowd fought for the crown and then came here) and the 1812 war aren't that long ago.....or so it seems in that area some days. ;)

nacktman
03-14-2008, 03:40 PM
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nacktman
03-19-2008, 05:46 AM
It's official now ... the US Dollar is worthless

Currency exchange outlets in Amsterdam won't to trade US dollars for euros because the value of the dollar is dropping so quickly they're afraid of losing money, even with the outlandish vigorish the sleazy little joints usually tack on.

The U.S. dollar's value is dropping so fast against the euro that small currency outlets in Amsterdam are turning away tourists seeking to sell their dollars for local money while on vacation in the Netherlands. "Our dollar is worth maybe zero over here," said Mary Kelly, an American tourist from Indianapolis, Indiana, standing outside the S&M shop that just turned her money away. "It's hard to find a place to exchange. We have to go downtown, to the central station or post office."

When the sex shops in Amsterdam won't take your money then you know you're in trouble.

usmc1
03-19-2008, 06:02 AM
Now, now, Nacktman, haven't you heard? Two days ago Bush's treasury dude said we're merely in a sharp downward incline, (or some such soporific nonsense) and everything is well.

Signs went up around federal buildings later that day. They said "War is Peace!" And, "Recession is a sharp downward incline."

But, on a side note, if you ain't got no dollars, why should you care how it's doing in comparison to other currencies?

Sanslines
03-19-2008, 02:29 PM
But, on a side note, if you ain't got no dollars, why should you care how it's doing in comparison to other currencies?

I say if the ever declining dollar has gotten you depressed, then it is time to pack up and spend some time in the beautiful Hawaiian islands. In Hawaii, the dollar still works, and there is pleanty of peace, love, sushine, and surf's up too! Whatch ya watin for?

spiceant
03-19-2008, 03:22 PM
Question isnt Why Bush is wrecking your country but why your not doing something about it.

usmc1
03-19-2008, 05:20 PM
Question isnt Why Bush is wrecking your country but why your not doing something about it.

Fair question. Answer is complex, but much of it has to do with the fact that we're rapidly becoming a dumbed down nation of sheep. There's that, and then there's fear.

And the other factor. Liberals and progressives lost their way for while. They could not bring themselves to believe how quickly and how completely our constitution could be trashed, our system of voting be subverted, and our treasury plundered. Even though all the evidence of what Bush & Cheney were about, some sort of weird denial set in and people hoped for the best and expected the institutions of government and the checks and balances to mute, modulate and restrain the little mad man.

They were wrong, they know they were wrong, and believe you this; there are many of working the streets, the clubs, the churches, the organizations just as we did in the civil rights struggle, and the efforts to finally end the war in Vietnam. It's just that our strategy is much less confrontational at this point and more about building alliances and coalitions at the grassroots level.

Sanslines
03-19-2008, 07:32 PM
Question isnt Why Bush is wrecking your country but why your not doing something about it.

There are many reasons for this. One of the main reasons is tha people no longer care and seem to just go along for the ride regardless of where the ride takes them. People also tend to blame Bush for everything rather then accept personal responsibility and blame for themselves. People themselves created the various messes by remaining silent and allowing the messes to grow and fester. The age of apathy is very much alive and well.

nacktman
03-19-2008, 07:39 PM
Question isnt Why Bush is wrecking your country but why your not doing something about it.

We are doing something about it and usmc1 put it rather well.
The greed and self-centeredness of the raygun lost generation have been exposed so totally by the shrub and the cabal that even the "silent majority" are no longer silent.
And their chorus is so deafening the wing-nuts are whining ever more shrilly to try and overcome the song.
It isn't working.

spiceant
03-20-2008, 02:31 AM
i wasnt asking why (almost) everybody else isnt doing something