MAD,MAD HOUSE #1

[Stevedaoust]

Just a reminder. Mad, Mad House #1 will be airing tonight (thursday) at 9:00pm EST on the Sci-fi channel. Let's see just how well they do for this show and the person that is representing our lifestyle.

Steve

[Stevedaoust]

Just a reminder. Mad, Mad House #1 will be airing tonight (thursday) at 9:00pm EST on the Sci-fi channel. Let's see just how well they do for this show and the person that is representing our lifestyle.

Steve

I won't be able to watch it since all I have is an antenna and can only get local channels. I would like to know how it is.

[miguelito]

Jon-Marc,

I just watched the Mad Mad house #1. It was entertaining. It uses the same formula as all of the other elemination reality shows. As for as the "Naturist" character, I think they should have dubbed him "Nature Boy" instead of "Naturist". Just my two cents.

[Corky]

The show didn't have any positive naturist messages. The "naturist" was dressed 99% of the time. The show gets a big thumbs down from me.

[NewAndNude]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by miguelito:
Jon-Marc,

I just watched the Mad Mad house #1. It was entertaining. It uses the same formula as all of the other elemination reality shows. As for as the "Naturist" character, I think they should have dubbed him "Nature Boy" instead of "Naturist". Just my two cents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed! Naturists live with nature and eat rocks and bugs?

[Stevedaoust]

I seen it also and I think the naturist, which is actually a "natural" guy, should have been nude more BUTTTTTTTTT it is only show #1. They featured the Voodoo priestess and the vampire in #1. Given time I think they'll feature the others. One thing I've noticed is that I HATE the looks of a new show, then it takes off big time. I thought that about with Voyager, Rosey O'Donnell, Next Generation and now Mad, mad House. This always happens with the shows I hate at first, I TAKES OFF.

Steve

I know that there is no naturist/nudist who lives nude 24/7. I'm nude much less now that I'm back to work. However, if I was in a TV show that featured me as a nudist, I would be nude every moment that I could, day and night. It's still cold here, so I wear a T shirt to bed, but I'm as nude as I can tolerate when I'm at home. I'm nude when I'm in the clubhouse here at the resort.

If the man in the show is a naturist/nudist, why would he wear clothes if he doesn't have to? The ad I saw for the show said that they wanted a man who was a "typical representative of the naturist lifestyle". So is staying "dressed 99% of the time" a "typical" naturist?

[MikeJB]

Yeah I mean if he is a naturist and spends most of the time in a big house then why doesnt he represent us naturists and take his clothes off for cryin out loud. If I was in his position id be naked as much as theyd allow me to and if they gave me any flack about it id just say "well hey im a naturist, its what I do and besides you said you wanted someone who likes to be naked and represents the lifestyle" I mean how do you represent the lifestyle if youre clothed? Being a naturist isnt about being clothed, its about being naked, if he wants to do that then he should go on another reality show. Besides if its reality then most naturists in reality go nude. I think he's a big faker and just some guy to make us look back and get some ratings for the big CEOs upstairs.

[nudeM]

Corky: The show didn't have any positive naturist messages. The "naturist" was dressed 99% of the time. The show gets a big thumbs down from me.--------------------------------------

I agree. The Naturist was clothed 99% of the time. He was nude on only one occaision, waking up the next morning. The lady couldn't believe it. She was literally speechless. The other guy, the Primative ???????, was sunbathing nude, and the contestant was "horrified" by his nudity and chose not to sit next to him.

I agree, if the Naturist was to represent the nudist lifestyle, he should have been nude from the git go, and remain as such.

The show is entertaining, and for that purpose only. It's almost like watching "The Fear Factor" only with different characters choosing the stunts.

[NewAndNude]

The promo that I saw for the naturist 'torturing' (for lack of a better, and perhaps more accurate word) had everyone stripping naked and running out of the house into the yard lining up in what appeared to be rows of three. And as he's one of three not shown yet I would imagine that next week we will see this happen.

I'm wondering how the "guests" will take standing there naked in front of each other. Seems to me this would be more forced nudity than anything else; granted, they can choose to opt out if they wish (as in last night's show) but in the 2 seconds of promo that I saw it seemed everyone was naked.

[NewAndNude]

What really bothered me about last night's show was that the guy 'playing' the naturist (I use that term loosely, because I can't bring myself to take any of them seriously) made himself and all naturists out as some sort of hippies that live out in the wild who eat dandelions and live in caves. From what I heard him say last night, I'd say it is guys like him who hold the reason that there tends to be a distinctive difference between the terms 'nudism' and 'naturism.'

[nudeM]

NewAndNude:
I'm wondering how the "guests" will take standing there naked in front of each other. Seems to me this would be more forced nudity than anything else; granted, they can choose to opt out if they wish (as in last night's show) but in the 2 seconds of promo that I saw it seemed everyone was naked."---------------------------------------

I agree that the nudity would be forced. This is sending out the wrong message, in that, if you are serious in seeking out the "big prize", then you better participate in the nude activity. Being able to participate nude would be one thing, but if it was forced upon you, then your chances of winning are somewhat diminished.

The Naturist should be nude the entire time, not only on certain occaisions. It would prep the contestants as to what they are to experience. They, the contestants, would then be willing to accept having a nude person around all the time.

As far as your definitions concerning 'nudism' and 'naturism', yea, he would be considered a naturist instead of a nudist, which he is advertised as in the first place. Eating dandelions? Yech! Sounds of the late Ewell Gibbons and his 'wild hickory nuts'. (Kind of telling my age)

[nudeM]

Hey Corky, how does Corey feel about not getting picked for this show? From what I've seen, it's a blessing in disguise. Just curious.

[NewAndNude]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nudeM:
NewAndNude:
I'm wondering how the "guests" will take standing there naked in front of each other. Seems to me this would be more forced nudity than anything else; granted, they can choose to opt out if they wish (as in last night's show) but in the 2 seconds of promo that I saw it seemed everyone was naked."---------------------------------------

I agree that the nudity would be forced. This is sending out the wrong message, in that, if you are serious in seeking out the "big prize", then you better participate in the nude activity. Being able to participate nude would be one thing, but if it was forced upon you, then your chances of winning are somewhat diminished. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The thing is, there's several women "guests" on the show, and it seems as if last night's show, that being the first one and thus far only one to air, tried to play nudity up as if every single "guest" in the house was bothered by it --not just the women. I don't recall which woman talked about how the guy in the room she was in woke up and walked around naked in front of her, but there was also the guest who had the problem with "Mr. Tattoo" (for lack of a name and a better description) sunned himself naked outside during lunch.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The Naturist should be nude the entire time, not only on certain occaisions. It would prep the contestants as to what they are to experience. They, the contestants, would then be willing to accept having a nude person around all the time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Which is precisely my point, if he's a naturist why is he wearing clothes? I think that when they do the nude "challenge" (god I can't help but think of Fear Factor when I write that) that it will end up being more embarrassing for the women than the man because the women won't be able to cover up their breasts. The promo that I saw, I got the impression that they were all naked but they were holding some items in front of their crotches. Which is why I say that one will be more embarrassing for the women with their breasts out there in the open like that. I'd have to wonder what sort of editing was done for this segment; obviously they are going to blur everything out that needs blurring out but I'm wondering what we won't see that the crew and the rest of the attendees there saw.[/QB][/QUOTE]


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As far as your definitions concerning 'nudism' and 'naturism', yea, he would be considered a naturist instead of a nudist, which he is advertised as in the first place. Eating dandelions? Yech! Sounds of the late Ewell Gibbons and his 'wild hickory nuts'. (Kind of telling my age) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dandelions are actually edible but they don't taste very well. And I find it interesting that the other four 'housemates' (I still want to call them actors, but oh well...) are spending more time nude collectively than the guy who is supposed to be the nudist in this show.

[nunne]

I have a different take on the show from that which has been expressed so far. After watching it, I felt fairly positive about the naturist, "Avacado".

He was more or less chairman of the Board and moderator for everything, and although I found the format a little hoaky, in its broader context, I rather liked it. The purpose of the show was to try to get people to understand and be more accepting to the alternative life styles represented by the alts. In that respect, I think it holds promise for some very positive things to happen.

I especially liked Avacado's talk to Kelly after the blood bath game in which he got her to look at her own self consciousness, and tried to get her to look at herself in a more positive light.

When the primitive man was lounging around nude outside, I thought his reaction to the prude was very relaxed and positive. He could't help the other guy's reaction, but I thought he dealt with it quite well.

It appears that in the next episode, the naturist lifestyle is going to be presented, and apparently pretty well accepted by the guests. We'll see. I grant that the nudism may be a little forced in this context, but so are all the other lifestyles, and the guests understood that things were going to be a little wierd and challenging to them when they signed on.

If most of the guests do participate in the nudity, then I think it will be a positive thing for nudists as it will show that it can be accepted by people from all walks of life, even though they may not be able to participate in some of the others. (Six out of ten didn't participate in the voodism, and the vampire presentation was just a game not requiring acceptance of the lifestyle.)

I was disappointed about the portrayal of naturism as being about living in nature and eating only raw foods, but that's only a small part of what is ultimately going to be shown, I believe and hope. I think we are going to have to wait for the rest of the episodes before we judge it completely, but I, with due respect for Corky, would give it a thumbs up.

I am looking forward to the rest of the show, and obviously may change my mind before we are through.

One of the concerns that was expressed by many in advance of the show was that naturists and others would be presented as real wierdos. While they do seem a little strange because of the format, I think most were presented in a fairly good light. The only one that seemed to be a real wierdo was the Vampire, who just looked and acted wierd all the time.

[zuma]

What can be done about the latest, and it seems almost weekly, assault on naturism by stupid reality tv shows?

I am not sure how to combat this trend. Somebody please have an idea how to save naturism from it?

I guess you could have ina tnr aanr throw out any resort which cooperates with these shows.. and maybe these organizations could be pro-active in having their representatives appear in the media to tell how surreal life survivor and whatever else are not true naurists.

richard hatch set us back 10 years, surreal life 5 years, and mad mad house another 5. This has got to stop. Someone in the naturist movement has got to step up and start applying some discipline

[breezes]

I liked the show. Avocado seems like a pretty cool dude. And even though he isn't a naturist, I thought Tat Man had a great response to the farmer being uncomfortalbe. "Hey man, that's your thing. But I'm not changing." It was nice.

The nudist event next week looks promising. I feel like one of the biggest issues naturists come across is that people automatically associate nudism to sex. So maybe after this running around and scavenger hunt they'll see nudism isn't just about sex. Its just about being you.

[zuma]

While we are here, I think the INA should immediately make a statement concerning reality tv shows esxploiting naturism, and suspend priviledges to ANY affiliated club which participates in said shows. This issue is very critical to our continued survival.

[NewAndNude]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nunne:
I have a different take on the show from that which has been expressed so far. After watching it, I felt fairly positive about the naturist, "Avacado".

He was more or less chairman of the Board and moderator for everything, and although I found the format a little hoaky, in its broader context, I rather liked it. The purpose of the show was to try to get people to understand and be more accepting to the alternative life styles represented by the alts. In that respect, I think it holds promise for some very positive things to happen.

I especially liked Avacado's talk to Kelly after the blood bath game in which he got her to look at her own self consciousness, and tried to get her to look at herself in a more positive light. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This was actually one of the things that originally attracted me to nudism; that being, the idea that nudists place more emphasis on who a person is inside rather than anything that limits them physically. That the idea of the person inside the body is more important than the body. I hate to say it but maybe that girl needs to spend some time naked with the rest of the guests naked as well to see if it helps improve her self-esteem any. Once she realizes that everyone else is in the same boat (that being, they're seeing her naked but she's seeing all of them naked at the same time) maybe she will lighten up a bit and realize that there's more to life than just the physical and how you see yourself or others see you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>When the primitive man was lounging around nude outside, I thought his reaction to the prude was very relaxed and positive. He could't help the other guy's reaction, but I thought he dealt with it quite well.[/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It seemed to me that even if these 'house guests' are all actors that this person was used to that sort of situation and he'd been in it before. If these are all actors then I give him credit for handling his nudity and his character's nudity quite well. He had to have known that nothing explicit would be shown on television anyway, having been fuzzed out.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It appears that in the next episode, the naturist lifestyle is going to be presented, and apparently pretty well accepted by the guests. We'll see. I grant that the nudism may be a little forced in this context, but so are all the other lifestyles, and the guests understood that things were going to be a little wierd and challenging to them when they signed on.[/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Forced but once the clothes come off and the embarrassment (sp?) ends it will probably end up like all other situations in the same, where after everyone is dressed, a smile or two may be passed between every now and then but it will be treated as if it either never happened or if it was normal and there was nothing wrong with it at the time.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If most of the guests do participate in the nudity, then I think it will be a positive thing for nudists as it will show that it can be accepted by people from all walks of life, even though they may not be able to participate in some of the others. (Six out of ten didn't participate in the voodism, and the vampire presentation was just a game not requiring acceptance of the lifestyle.)[/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well that's the whole issue, I suppose. Will it be accepted or will it be tolerated? IMHO there's a big difference between the two as it relates to nudism and being naked with people you just met. I've never been on a nude beach but I guarentee you my first time I'm going to be nervous no matter how much I've educated myself on it.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I was disappointed about the portrayal of naturism as being about living in nature and eating only raw foods, but that's only a small part of what is ultimately going to be shown, I believe and hope. I think we are going to have to wait for the rest of the episodes before we judge it completely, but I, with due respect for Corky, would give it a thumbs up.[/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This would seem to be one of the issues that limits nudism from naturism. I believe Avacado's (what sort of name is...aw forget it) view is more of the extreme view of naturism than anything else.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am looking forward to the rest of the show, and obviously may change my mind before we are through.[/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I do not like this show and I feel it is too "hokey" and too much of a rip-off of other existing, even crappier shows but I will probably be watching for at least the nudist one.
As I'm sure many others at home will, hence the reason for having it done. Sci-Fi Channel may not exactly be much Sci-Fi these days but they know what gets them ratings. Sadly, this could still coincide with the whole public perception of nudity = sex. We'll have to see how it's handled...


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>One of the concerns that was expressed by many in advance of the show was that naturists and others would be presented as real wierdos. While they do seem a little strange because of the format, I think most were presented in a fairly good light. The only one that seemed to be a real wierdo was the Vampire, who just looked and acted wierd all the time. [/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree, that's definitely one guy who I would not want at my high school reunion -- or my high school at all. He strikes me as the type who is trying to be different but doesn't quite know the reason why, so he's masking his indecisiveness and lack of a clue by getting as extreme as he can into the "character" of a vampire. I really, REALLY doubt they'll be drinking blood of any form though. Even if it's something like pig's blood there's far too much of a chance for disease.

[hm0504]

FYI, just saw "Arresting Design", a house renovation show on the W Network
http://www.wnetwork.com/index.asp
in which the current episode features the home of the Deschenes family, of whom Stephane is the top guy at the Federation of Canadian Naturists (details below).

The show allowed Stephane and his wife Linda to give an excellent presentation of naturism -- Stephane while he is decorating and Linda while she spends the day at a naturist resort with other naturists. Though the dubbed-in commentator, in sort of a gentle nudge-nudge-wink-wink fashion, squeezes almost every joke in the book, the show came across very well. Certainly presented naturists as normal (except for the no clothing bit), fine human beings.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> From: Dave Fleming <frebeach@p...>
Date: Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:44 pm
Subject: Reno of a Naturist House on WTN cable TV.



(please pass this message on to others who may be
interested)

The show Arresting Design will feature a kitchen
renovation in a house
belonging to a naturist family. (see below for more
info)

Arresting Design
W Network (used to be called WTN or Women's Television
Network)
This is their #1 rated show.
See your local listings for channel and exact time.
The network is only available on cable and satellite.
It is probably not
available outside of Canada.
http://www.wnetwork.com/tv_shows/shows/arresting_design/

The episode airs:
Thursday March 4th at 10pm
Saturday March 6th at 1pm
Sunday March 7th at 7:30 pm &
Tuesday March 9th at 11:30 am.

Background:

On January 14th I did a secret advance interview. On
Thursday January 15th
the TV crew arrived and surprised my wife Linda. (it
had to be a secret to
her) They "busted" her for a "design crime" and then
put her up in a hotel
while the crew and I renovated the kitchen.

We started at 9h30 on Thursday morning and ended just
past midnight on
Saturday morning. In the 39 or so hours that this
represents, I had 4 hours
of sleep. That was 4 hours more than some of the crew
that was working on
the kitchen!

No, I didn't actually do the renovation work. Neither
did the hosts, Tammy &
Jeffrey. We were filmed starting all the jobs but then
the crew took over.
It would have been impossible to get it all done in
time otherwise. Tammy,
Jeffrey and I spent all of our time filming scenes
while the renovation team
did the renovation work in the background.

I spent the entire time nude. At first the crew were a
little awkward with
it but they got used to it very quickly. After a few
hours, people didn't
seem to notice.

We shot 8 hours of film. I'm in most of it (and nude)
helping with the
renovation. The final show will be 22 minutes.

Of course, there were lots of jokes and those nudity
double-entendre that
the media just can't seem to resist when it comes to
naturism. Overall, in
was all in good fun. One of the hosts played the very
uptight one who didn't
mind my nudity but would never do it himself. The
second host was
middle-of-the road. The carpenter (who is an on-air
personality too) was
shot having dinner nude with myself and the two other
hosts. Their
discomfort with their own nudity was what generated a
lot of interesting
discussion while we were renovating.

I think it will come out well. Of course, it will all
depend on the editing.
When you go from 8 hours to 22 minutes, you lose a
lot! If you do the math,
you'll realize that 96% of the footage is thrown
away!!

I'm quite anxious to see the final results.

Stephane


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[TXK NUDE]

If Avocado is a naturist, then I am most definitely a nudist! However, beyond that distinction, I have no problem with him--though I do agree with Corky that it's not really helpful for the nudist movement. My biggest problem with theshow is their treatment of the Christians--especially Kelly, the virgin Catholic girl. I guess Christians will always be ridiculed and mistreated on TV...like Tammy Faye was. I was disappointed in her stance on nudism, but she did stand her ground and her faith, and eventually won the respect of her fellow "Surrealists". Unfortunately, the one Christian last night who had to make the final choice in the elimination really gave Christianity a black mark. He had promised the young guy he had his back, but then broke his word when it came down to it. He favored the young woman because she was a Christian, but it meant he lied, and that was bad.

[zuma]

Nudists will be yet again ridiculed by this tv show. I suppose you cannot stop wayward camera-*****ing naked people from dangling their **** in front of a tv camera.

I hate to be a broken record.. but where in the hell is the aanr in this mess? Jesus, once we were kind of nervous when Geraldo would visit a nudist resort... Now random naked idiotsd are peeing all over naturism.

Avacado, or whatever his real name is, is a disgrace. Desert Shadows is a disgrace, and that place in florida whoring themselves out to the paris hilton fiasco is another disgrace.

All true naturists should stay far away from idiotic reality tv shows. Any of them who participate are a cancer on naturism

[MikeJB]

I dont think people should take reality shows too seriously and if these media idiots wanna make reality shows then their viewers oughta tell them to make it REAL and not some fake reality show with the same bland blonde *****y type of girls who always fight with each other all the time and all these questionable weirdos on it. The last thing naturists need is to be placed alongside witches and voodooism.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zuma:
Nudists will be yet again ridiculed by this tv show. I suppose you cannot stop wayward camera-*****ing naked people from dangling their **** in front of a tv camera.

I hate to be a broken record.. but where in the hell is the aanr in this mess? Jesus, once we were kind of nervous when Geraldo would visit a nudist resort... Now random naked idiotsd are peeing all over naturism.

Avacado, or whatever his real name is, is a disgrace. Desert Shadows is a disgrace, and that place in florida whoring themselves out to the paris hilton fiasco is another disgrace.

All true naturists should stay far away from idiotic reality tv shows. Any of them who participate are a cancer on naturism <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I guess you include the INA since they were part of that loser show at Desert Shadows? They were also attempting to have Corey play Avacado's role from what I remember.

Should we be jumping on every show that wants to involve nudism? Does anyone really think anything positive will come of having Paris and Nicole at Paradise? Is any publicity good publicity?

[nudeM]

Originally posted by Cyndiann: I guess you include the INA since they were part of that loser show at Desert Shadows? They were also attempting to have Corey play Avacado's role from what I remember.-----------------------------------------

Is this another bash at INA? The second time if I remember right.

It is true that the television stations are beginning to use nudity for promotional reasons, and the portrayal of nudists is definately sending out the wrong message. Desert Shadows showed nudists acting like nudists, it's just that the characters acted like kids when confronted with it, by their snied remarks. During the pool scene, nudity was portrayed as being a sexual ordeal, and it showed when the cameras zoomed in on one of the nudists. The look in his eyes was that out of disgust.

This Mad Mad House is another irresponsible portrayal of nudity. The Naturist should be nude all of the time, not just a couple of scenes. As I already stated, they are 'forcing' the participants to be nude for a chance at the prize money, and for nothing else. Hopefully we'll see this week how the nudity is accepted. Hopefully it will be on a positive note. From what I have seen already, chances are that nudity will be frowned upon, except as a stepping stone to the prize.

As far as Corey, I'm glad he wasn't chosen for the part of the Naturist. It would have surely given the INA a bad reputation.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nudeM:
Originally posted by Cyndiann: I guess you include the INA since they were part of that loser show at Desert Shadows? They were also attempting to have Corey play Avacado's role from what I remember.-----------------------------------------

Is this another bash at INA? The second time if I remember right. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If it was intended as bashing of INA, it was ZUMA who did it. Zuma was saying that clubs and resorts that cooperate with reality shows should be sanctioned or kicked out of the movement without seeming to realize that INA had been just such a participant. Cyndiann was just pointing that out.

I think it would have been great if Corey had been chosen for MMH, because he would have played it straight, and by choosing him the producers would have been showing their willingness to play it straight. Which is probably why he was passed over.

INA was present for the Surreal Life taping at Desert Shadows, and we saw a lot of what went on in their Nudes in the News segments. It was not seen by the people there on the ground as a negative experience that defamed nudism. But the WB changed all that in the manner in which they edited their footage for broadcast, providing a completely different version of the reality that the participants experienced.

That was a lesson that Paradise Lakes should take to heart. And now we know better why MMH didn't want a real nudist.

Reality shows depend on titilation, sensationalism, distortion, 'unreality' and just plain lying to improve their product. We can't expect the truth from them.

Lesson learned.

-Mark

[Stevedaoust]

I agree that there should be more healthy nudity on Mad House but remember that it's only day #1,it shot for 6 weeks and we all know that reality shows have just one more card up their sleeves. The premis of this show is to show and teach outside the norm to people that live the so called normal life.
I say, let's kick back and see what happens THEN send in our Ya's or Na's

Steve

[Doug H]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
But the WB changed all that in the manner in which they edited their footage for broadcast, providing a completely different version of the reality that the participants experienced.

That was a lesson that Paradise Lakes should take to heart. And now we know better why MMH didn't want a real nudist.

Reality shows depend on titilation, sensationalism, distortion, 'unreality' and just plain lying to improve their product. We can't expect the truth from them.

Lesson learned.

-Mark <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well said!!!!!!!

Doug H.

[NewAndNude]

Last night from 3-4 a.m. The Travel Channel presented a documentary on the Sumra people from Etheopia who still cling to many of their old beliefs, including polygamy and lip-piercing with plates. The focus was on one of the stronger members of the tribe marrying one of the girls in her late teens with a large lip plate. However, nothing was censored. Perhaps it was the time of the showing (3 a.m.) or perhaps it was that The Travel Channel is sort of like National Geographic in that they can get away with showing that sort of thing. What I do know is that there were penises of all shapes and sizes shown on everyone from young boys to adult men, and that almost all of the women went around topless. Nothing pixalated, nothing covered. So while there is something as manipulative as Mad Mad House on the air, and the WB network chooses to edit it so that nudity = sexuality, there are still some places on television where this is not true.

[Trailscout]

There has been a long-standing precedent of television allowing nudity in the depiction of the fine arts, for medical purposes, and as you saw on the Travel Channel, for anthropology programs. Even an historical drama such as "Amistad" was able to get away with it.

I think there is a certain emotional distance that renders it acceptable to the great masses.

Most television drama portrays everyday life so maybe nudity is too close for comfort in that context.

[zuma]

I don't blame INA for what happened, as it was the first reality tv show to prominently display legitimate naturist clubs and legitimate naturists.

Going forward, I think any club or organization which participates in what has become a circus sideshow should be sanctioned.

TV shows actually, imo, have a good track record portraying nudists in a positive light. Even the dumb geraldo/ricki lake shows and their ilk would at least present a balanced view. It's apparent now that reality tv shows are a different beast.

lesson learned, as you said.

Until reality tv shows can be trusted not to mock the lifestyle, no legitimate naturists should involve themself with them. That day may come, but they should earn our trust first.

zuma, there is already enough history of TV shows presenting nudist facilities in a bad light to know very well that this one at Desert Shadows would not be a winner for us. C'mon, just mentioning the characters who were involved should have given everyone a huge clue.

It was not the first reality show to show naturists. Richard Hatch would probably get that honor.

And do you really think that Rikki Lake would present a balanced view? Have you seen it? There is never a serious moment on that show.

From what I've seen there are more shows that misrepresent nudism than ones that show us honestly and in a good light.

I knew that show was going to be a disaster way before it happened.

[zuma]

Cindiann, you are right in many ways... I was just trying to say that historically, the ricki lake/geraldo type shows weren't TOTALLY horrible, which is about all we could ask for at the time. At least they would present a "balanced" view, in other words, give the nudists their say between shrieking audience members and the fundie guests onstage...

You're right that it was not totally balanced, and the shows were not serious in a news-reporting sense.. I didn't get my point across right... I was just trying to say that those shows, horrible as they were, were not on full-on attack mode like the current batch of reality tv shows are.

And you are right about the characters presented... You had a porn star in the mix. Desert Shadows should have had a clue... I was just trying to cut them a wee bit of leeway... maybe they thought they could get a positive message out among all the attacks. I dunno. I agree that they should have known better, however it's now obvious that reality tv shows cannot be trusted to present naturism in a positive light, and that is what is important. I've rambled a bit and I apologise for that.

We should focus on Paradise Lakes and their reported association with the paris hilton show. I haven't even written them an e-mail. I think I'll do that now.

[NewAndNude]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
zuma, there is already enough history of TV shows presenting nudist facilities in a bad light to know very well that this one at Desert Shadows would not be a winner for us. C'mon, just mentioning the characters who were involved should have given everyone a huge clue.

It was not the first reality show to show naturists. Richard Hatch would probably get that honor.

And do you really think that Rikki Lake would present a balanced view? Have you seen it? There is never a serious moment on that show.

From what I've seen there are more shows that misrepresent nudism than ones that show us honestly and in a good light.

I knew that show was going to be a disaster way before it happened. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Reality television does tend to skewer nudity for its own purposes. Just look at how 'Big Brother' handled the nudity of the housemates. Even though there was a camera facing the shower and cameras everywhere else and it was a given that unless you changed under a blanket someone, member of the crew or not, was going to see you naked, the folks behind Big Brother raised a stink when some of the housemates decided to shower together and/or appear without clothes on.