Hanna Montana photos in Vanity Fair

[Centauri4]

Oh come on, who is the mainstream media trying to confuse!! I find the photos of Miss Cyrus to be completely tasteful, in the typical Lieboweitz style (a well documented angle) and feel most of us would know her manager and/or parents MUST HAVE signed off on their publication!

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill! This story is completely un-newsworthy except in the pages of "Teen Beat" (do they still publish that?!?).

I am utterly speechless over how much attention this completely ridiculous issue has received. Are there any parents out in ClothesFree-land with children who can comment firsthand on their reactions?

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[jon71]

I haven't seen it but it's easy to imagine you're right. I did read something that a parent or legal guardian was with her all day during the shoot and since it was on digital they could see the results immediately. I'm sure sooner or later the pics will be posted and we can all make a more informed comment then.

[Silverback]

I have seen the picture of her in the sheet, I do not see anything wrong. Nothing showing just a bare back. My wife (the family prude) said it was not right because she is too young. Swimming suits show as much bare back as the picture did. Guess I am just a dirty old man. :confused:

[KirkOntario]

The criticism of the photo is that it is provocative. A 15 year old appearing as though she were nude on the cover of Vanity Fair in a photo taken by a celebrity photographer famous for doing celebrity nude shots. It is similar to a trend in advertising and popular culture to sexualize woman at a younger and younger age. This is not a nudist photo. She's dressed to provoke a reaction.

[LamontCranston]

The criticism of the photo is that it is provocative. A 15 year old appearing as though she were nude on the cover of Vanity Fair in a photo taken by a celebrity photographer famous for doing celebrity nude shots. It is similar to a trend in advertising and popular culture to sexualize woman at a younger and younger age. This is not a nudist photo. She's dressed to provoke a reaction. Exploiting girls in the media is OK in the U.S.A. these days. Try exercising your religious freedom and run a compound and the state will come in, break it up, and bus your kids off to foster care.

Yet photographing a nude 15-year old and putting it on the cover at every supermarket checkout lane is OK. On the one hand people were out of the mainstream minding there own business, on the other I'm forced to look at it everytime I buy a gallon of milk for the next month... :mad:

Witness the decline & fall of western civilization.

[G I Joe]

The criticism of the photo is that it is provocative. A 15 year old appearing as though she were nude on the cover of Vanity Fair in a photo taken by a celebrity photographer famous for doing celebrity nude shots. It is similar to a trend in advertising and popular culture to sexualize woman at a younger and younger age. This is not a nudist photo. She's dressed to provoke a reaction.

Everyone and everything is up for grabs these days by the media. If Cyrus didn't what those pictures published (she acted surprised??) she should not have had them taken in the first place. I think the one with her dad and the motorcycle is especially cool! I'm still waiting for the nude pictures of Obama and Hillary to surface--surely they are out there somewhere--maybe together?

[Naturist Mark]

It is brilliant portrait, Annie Liebowitz is genius.


It shows nothing that you don't see on any warm summer day, considerably less in fact.

Does it make 15 year old Miley look too mature? Perhaps.

Her parents were present at the shoot. Her father is in several of the photos:

The Vanity Fair photo (http://www.vanityfair.com/photos)

Vanity Fair - Behind the scenes photos (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/06/miley_slideshow200806)

Is is exploitation of a minor?

Duh.

She is a 15 year old Disney actress/singer. Her career is exploitation.

Is it inappropriate within those parameters?

Beats me.

(I originally posted direct image links to two of the photos, then realized that it would violate TOS for having a clothed minor in a non nude situation. Oy)

[DJ Leo]

It's the textile people who deem the naked or half naked body to be bad. Why can't they just see the light? God had intended us to be naked othewise he would have given us clothes at birth. They just don't see the beauty in God's work.:annoyed:

[Fitz1980]

Exploiting girls in the media is OK in the U.S.A. these days. Try exercising your religious freedom and run a compound and the state will come in, break it up, and bus your kids off to foster care.

Are you talking about that polygamist compound raid from a few weeks back. From the AP:

A total of 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 are in state custody after a raid 3 1/2 weeks ago at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado. Of those girls, 31 either have children or are pregnant, said Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar. He didn't specify how many are pregnant.

Boo-hoo on their "religious freedom" if it includes the sexual exploitation of teenage girls. Personally I'd say that taking some suggestive snaps where someone shows less skin than she does at the beach is a whole lot less objectionable than getting them pregnant at 14.

[NudonyII]

I had a conversation with an employee at work today. She saw the pic and was outraged by it. "Too mature for a fifteen year old child", she said. I just couldn't share her outrage; it was only her back being shown. She replied that I was missing the point; the pose was too mature for a child.

Perhaps I didn't "get it" because at 15, back in France, many of my female classmates went topfree at the local pool; or maybe it's because I've seen many teens her age nude at the resort. Maybe I'm desensitized?

Miley was ok with the picture. Her parents were ok with the picture. Her entourage was ok with the picture. Disney was not; and made her issue a public apology. After all, they have millions invested in Miley and they are protecting their investment.

[nimrod]

I did not see anything provocative it the photos. One person said on a news clip that it was not that she was just in a sheet it was that her lips were painted red and seductively. Go figure.

On an interesting side note, ABC had a news special on the age of consent, they had a poll on what the age of consent should be for having sex and the result was that 76% of those that answered said 15 years old should be the legal age.

[KirkOntario]

The pose is meant to evoke one from the 1950s of a sex symbol: I think it was Marilyn Monroe who posed like that in a bedsheet.

[NudonyII]

Kinda...the original Marilyn pic, which was subsequently duplicated by Jessica Alba and Lindsay Lohan showed a side of cheek.
But I agree that it's a throwback to the 50's, when nude pics were still conservative and that was as far as it got.

Something tells me that Ann L. would might gone that route if she could have (sitting, not lying). Imagine the headlines: "Miley's side-buttock for the world to see! Thousand of angry Moms storm Disney studios!":eek:

[Bob S.]

The outrage is fueled by the fact that Miley Cyrus is hugely popular with the 'tween' crowd. She is supposed to be G-rated in everything. This is a similar outrage to what Jamie-Lynn Spears went through after she revealed she was pregnant. She is on a popular 'tween' show, "Zoey 101" and her pregnancy is definitely not G-rated.

One more thing I heard today regarding Miley's picture was that it may have been done while her father was not present. If so, even as innocent as it is, that would be completely irresponsible, something that the photographer, Annie Liebovitz is not.

Bob S.

[Sacramento Jesse]

The outrage is fueled by the fact that Miley Cyrus is hugely popular with the 'tween' crowd. She is supposed to be G-rated in everything. This is a similar outrage to what Jamie-Lynn Spears went through after she revealed she was pregnant. She is on a popular 'tween' show, "Zoey 101" and her pregnancy is definitely not G-rated.

One more thing I heard today regarding Miley's picture was that it may have been done while her father was not present. If so, even as innocent as it is, that would be completely irresponsible, something that the photographer, Annie Liebovitz is not.

Bob S.

According to Extra, Billy Ray was there and even posed in a few photos with her.

IMO, I think the reason Disney is reacting the way they are is because what happened with Vanessa Hudgens not too long ago and they don't want anymore negative publicity of their teen idols.

[krcNY]

I had a conversation with an employee at work today. She saw the pic and was outraged by it. "Too mature for a fifteen year old child", she said. I just couldn't share her outrage; it was only her back being shown. She replied that I was missing the point; the pose was too mature for a child.

Perhaps I didn't "get it" because at 15, back in France, many of my female classmates went topfree at the local pool; or maybe it's because I've seen many teens her age nude at the resort. Maybe I'm desensitized?

Miley was ok with the picture. Her parents were ok with the picture. Her entourage was ok with the picture. Disney was not; and made her issue a public apology. After all, they have millions invested in Miley and they are protecting their investment.

I tend to agree with your fellow employee. It is not that she is part nude, but the provocative look of the pose. In my opinion she is too young for that style of a photo shoot.

Thanks for posting the link Mark. I was looking to see what all the hoopla was about, but did not find the pictures. I am glad to finally see them.

[usmc1]

Too mature? Sort of an amorphous term to me. Sometimes, I think these things are in the eye of the beholder and pretty much judged by their own set of experiences, expectations, values and prejudices. Not, to say any of that is bad...just part of the difference we all carry around.

Miley is not just any 15 year-old. She is an experienced and polished professional performer and actress. Her set of experiences are extremely different than an "average" teen. But, it is too bad that we'll not be getting opinions from young men and women of her same age as to whether they think it is too "mature" whatever that means.

Most younger models and actresses, especially with her set of experiences, are more knowlegeable and "mature" than many adults.

I can tell you, as an actor, I do not think the photos are over the top, and were probably very carefully considered prior to publication as part of a process to extract, separate and move Miley up and away from that "tweener" Hannah Montana image. When I first heard about them, I though they were something really revealing and risque.

Annie Liebowitz can be a handful in some ways, but, she has an incredible ability to catch a persons essence---and that photo of Miley is Miley as she was at that moment on that day--the "maturity" coming through is Miley's maturity.

From personal experience, I can tell you that at 15, in many, many ways, me and I my peers were way more "mature" than our parents and other adults thought---and a hell of a lot less than we thought.

[nimrod]

From personal experience, I can tell you that at 15, in many, many ways, me and I my peers were way more "mature" than our parents and other adults thought---and a hell of a lot less than we thought.

Aint that the truth.

Miley's parents were at the photo shoot and left after awile, but her teacher and grandmother were there when the photo in question was taken, so she was never left alone with Annie.

[NakedGary]

Thanks for posting the link Mark. I was looking to see what all the hoopla was about, but did not find the pictures. I am glad to finally see them.
I'm quite surprised after being previously reported that the CFF moderation team would allow reference to XXX pornographic images, and XXX vulgar, obscene sexually explicit comments to remain on this CFF forum, then thank the poster for the referenced link.
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[Naturist Mark]

I'm quite surprised after being previously reported that the CFF moderation team would allow reference to XXX pornographic images, and XXX vulgar, obscene sexually explicit comments to remain on this CFF forum, then thank the poster for the referenced link.
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Irony.

Posting the link was a compromise. I originally posted the actual photos, but quickly removed them when I realized that photos of even clothed minors was not allowed due to the oppressive rules imposed by the merchant services.

Those photos are shown on mid day television, will be in People magazine and probably your Sunday papers. But not here. That is the irony.

-Mark

[betterman]

i personally don't think it's terrible. but here is my complete opinion:
for a 15 year old who is in a g-rated career, yes it is probably too risque...not like hardcore porn risque, but just slightly more mature than her intended audience should see in a role model.
i'm no prude...and yes i absolutely agree that on a summer day at the pool/beach you'll see as much and more...and of course if she was on a nude beach or at some other nudist facility she would be nude...but the makeup and sitting naked partially covered with a towel in the manner she was tends to be suggestive of someone participating in sexual activity...you see similar poses in almost every tv show or non r-rated movie where sex has supposedly just taken place.

[krcNY]

Irony.

Posting the link was a compromise. I originally posted the actual photos, but quickly removed them when I realized that photos of even clothed minors was not allowed due to the oppressive rules imposed by the merchant services.

Those photos are shown on mid day television, will be in People magazine and probably your Sunday papers. But not here. That is the irony.

-Mark

Mark, I was and still am OK with what you posted. You are right this is current news. Thank you for doing what you could to stay within TOS.:)

[EricNY]

I'm quite surprised after being previously reported that the CFF moderation team would allow reference to XXX pornographic images, and XXX vulgar, obscene sexually explicit comments to remain on this CFF forum, then thank the poster for the referenced link.
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Just because you reported a post does not mean that we concur. The link provided was of some pictures that are in good taste and do not violate TOS. As far as the comments that people make on ANOTHER open forum is beyond the control of CFF.

If the link had pictures that were direct on the link it would be different. Yes there is some foul language, but there is not any pornographic material like you suggest.

If you keep questioning the moderation of this site then you, yourself, will be in violation of the TOS.

[Croydon]

I'm quite surprised after being previously reported that the CFF moderation team would allow reference to XXX pornographic images, and XXX vulgar, obscene sexually explicit comments to remain on this CFF forum, then thank the poster for the referenced link.
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I highly suggest you stop causing trouble. There is no need to make an issue out of something that isn't an issue.

You don't see me reporting the many pix you post...(remember the one that was a cover of a gay porn).

[sdson]

Much ado about nothing!

[Sauna]

I have seen the picture of her in the sheet, I do not see anything wrong. Nothing showing just a bare back. My wife (the family prude) said it was not right because she is too young. Swimming suits show as much bare back as the picture did. Guess I am just a dirty old man. :confused:


Can it be just the opposite. There is nothing bad because she is so young. When I was young people thought this way.

[nimrod]

sitting naked partially covered with a towel in the manner she was tends to be suggestive of someone participating in sexual activity...you see similar poses in almost every tv show or non r-rated movie where sex has supposedly just taken place.

And you usually only see nudity when sex is in progress or just taken place in the movies, it is people jumping to conclusions like that is a reason why nudity is looked on in a negitive way.

[Croydon]

Although, I find nothing wrong with the pictures, I can understand people having problems with it.

Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana is a big star. Her fans are young little girls. Even my little sister, who is 4, LOVES LOVES Hannah Montana/Miley. Every time I talk to her it is Hannah Montana this and Hannah Montana that.

I think many people have issues with the picture because of her fans. They are young impressionable girls.

The fact that she is 15 y/o can cause a bit of a stir.

Despite the fact that I see the beauty of the pictures, I do think the pictures were a bit much considering her age and fans.

At the same time, people need to realize that Miley is a young girl who is becoming a woman. In addition, she is a child entertainer who wants to prolong her career and she will do things that will ensure she will continue to be a star in her adult years. Most young actors/musicians rarely have success in their adult years. I believe this was a calculated move by her and her "people". She knew exactly how those pictures were going to turn out...she did pose after all, didn't she? I think her intended purpose was to show the adult/mature side of her; to broaden her fan base and have people see her differently, not the sweet and innocent Hannah Montana

[usmc1]

I kind of wonder how many of the people who think the photo was too "mature" have teen daughters?

I find it ironic that there would be that sort of reaction among nudists.

I also wonder how the people who are a bit askance at the Vanity Fair photo felt about the Hamilton's and Sturgis's (sp?) photos of nudist teens a few years ago, or of Sally Mann's photos?

Aside from that, I really think a point that is being overlooked is that this young woman is not your average high school sophomore from East Cupcake, Suburbia. Every thing she does is considered and reconsidered and focus grouped and tested--she already is an entertainment empire in her own right. And believe me her image is very carefully managed and nurtured..by some of the best in the business.

No way that photo "accidentally" got past anyone, no way!

More likely, as I wrote earlier, its been decided that it is time to widen her appeal and target market up and away from tweeners--they've already had her do a gig on American Idol to that end (introduced her to teens and adults without abandoning the tweeners). Wait and see if her next release or album doesn't have a whole lot less bubble-gum to it.

And/or it has been decided that they want out of Disney control, sort of like a lease breaking party. Or else, it was a shot across the bow of Disney to say, look it's time to leave that whole Hannah Montana thing behind and bring Miley into more mature venues and target more mature demographics.

This thing was planned for a well calculated reason. With the denials and explanations already written in advance of the criticisms.

The girl is incredibly bright, talented, surrounded by good people, and very much engaged in her career and the decisions (and the whys of those decisions) relating to it--and she is way mature and experienced beyond her age.

I think that those who recognize "maturity" or "sexuality" are either seeing what is there or else are imposing it from their own biases and attitude. But, if it is there, and the camera is picking it up, what is the issue? It is a depiction of truth! Truth can be uncomfortable for some, I guess.

It's not like she's a Jon Benet type pitiful little child in make up and costume awkwardly flouncing the taught and choreographed bump and grind type moves of a grown woman--now, for me, that stuff is way, way out of line.

[NakedGary]

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In a recent post (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/30/brian-williams-slams-nyt-for-tabloid-coverage-then-runs-miley-cyrus-story/), they accuse him of slamming the New York Times (http://dailynightly.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/28/953442.aspx) for being shallow, and then hypocritically running a fluff piece that night about Miley Cyrus's photogate (a segment you can watch here (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/30/brian-williams-slams-nyt-for-tabloid-coverage-then-runs-miley-cyrus-story/)).

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1. Brian Williams is a sweet, good hearted man. I used to work for NBC - 30 Rock, so the TV in my office was always tuned into the studio, even when itwas off-air. Brian always showed concern for those in his stories (off-air), spoke and listened to staff. no prima don here. He is also a seasoned anchor in one of the most largest news shows. That should not preclude him from making some remarks about another news media. He also is a businessman, who knows he has to cover the fluff, also, and he does so with a straight (although his mouth is rather coooked) face.
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[brightswimmer]

Times like this seems that the cure to this hysteria would be if every Amercian family live the naturist lifestyle and raise there kids that way.Also it would make teens years more easier or easy as great grandparents generation.

[MJ_KC]

No way that photo "accidentally" got past anyone, no way!

More likely, as I wrote earlier, its been decided that it is time to widen her appeal and target market up and away from tweeners--they've already had her do a gig on American Idol to that end (introduced her to teens and adults without abandoning the tweeners). Wait and see if her next release or album doesn't have a whole lot less bubble-gum to it.

This is my take on this as well. I do not see anything about this that appears to be accidental. It was in fact a well executed plan to get her noticed by an older group of people, and guess what, it is working.

[NakedGary]

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[NudonyII]

I also wonder how the people who are a bit askance at the Vanity Fair photo felt about the Hamilton's and Sturgis's (sp?) photos of nudist teens a few years ago, or of Sally Mann's photos?

I hadn't thought about that perspective. Indeed, Jock Sturges has taken pictures that are in some respects similar to Ann L's of Miley, with the exception that the teenage and pre-teen models are often completely nude. So have Hamilton and Mann.

But this brings us to a much broader topic, which is "what is art and what is exploitation?". Whether nudist or not, people in general have always disagreed on what constitutes one or the other. There are nudists that have condemned Jock and Sally's work; there are non-nudists that have applauded them.

[EricNY]

Why is it that we would have different expectations about someone because of their fame and /or fortune.

If this was any other young woman, a complete unknown, just anyone, would there be any fuss about it?

OK someone will argue that in this instance she has an effect on impressionable young people. BUT is that her fault? OR is it the way we are bringing up our own children to the extent that the pictures come across in a negative way?

[usmc1]

Here it is, I think> The other shoe has dropped and the artist formerly known as Hannah Montana will now be called Miley Cyrus!

It waits to be seen how amicable the separation will be and who pays what to whom.

ORLANDO, Florida (AP) -- Disney says Miley Cyrus won't be attending her first scheduled public appearance since Vanity Fair published photos that have thrown her status as a role model for young girls into question.

The 15-year-old star of "Hannah Montana" for weeks has been scheduled to appear at a red carpet event Friday.

But Disney confirms she is no longer expected to attend.

Cyrus was to appear at a media party in Orlando, Florida on Friday.
Disney did not elaborate Thursday on the change in Cyrus' (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Miley_Cyrus) status for the party.
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[usmc1]

Why is it that we would have different expectations about someone because of their fame and /or fortune.

If this was any other young woman, a complete unknown, just anyone, would there be any fuss about it?

OK someone will argue that in this instance she has an effect on impressionable young people. BUT is that her fault? OR is it the way we are bringing up our own children to the extent that the pictures come across in a negative way?

It probably really depends on what those expectations are. This thing about performers, celebrities and athletes as role-models is a bit off-putting for me. When I act, all I owe is an honest and good performance. That's all! How I live my life is no one's business.

I'd prefer that youngsters find their role models more immediately in their family, neighborhood and other real life connections. I also think it is up to parents and extended family to ground kids in the reality that the performers, celebrities and athletes they revere are often no more than exaggerated images.

It is really unfair, also, if anyone expects a person of Miley's background and set of experiences to behave or think like your average high-school sophomore. That's not because of her fame, per se.. It is because of the life-experience that fame has brought that expectations might be a bit different.

But, there is a flip-side to all this. Miley and her family, et al, have been very happy, up to this point, to cash in on the naive, virginal, sweet girl, Hannah Montana image--and they have encouraged and marketed that unrealistic and idealized "role-model" to its fullest extent.

They've adroitly managed to open the door to extract her from that image by "blaming" Lebowitz and Vanity Fair.

There is a certain amount of cynicism and hypocrisy at play in this whole affair.

But, get out of show business, no way!

[Nude in the North]

I think we give way too much credit for these so called "Role Models".

My daughter was a pre teen when Madonna was rolling around half dressed and hanging herself on a cross.
My daughter never considered doing any of the things that Madonna did in her videos.
Don't get me wrong. She was a huge Madonna fan. She just knew the difference between music videos and Real Life.

And so do kids these days.
So far I havn't seen any kids running around the neighborhood wrapped in sheets exposing their backs and shoulders. And I doubt I will see any such thing happen no matter how much publicity they give to Miley.

The parents causing such an uproar about this need to realize one thing. They are the biggest role model their kids will ever have. So before you critisize the the Art and Entertainment world, check out your own closet.

[EricNY]

Nude in the North:
They are the biggest role model their kids will ever have. So before you critisize the the Art and Entertainment world, check out your own closet.


USMC:
I also think it is up to parents and extended family to ground kids in the reality that the performers, celebrities and athletes they revere are often no more than exaggerated images.

ercNY:
OR is it the way we are bringing up our own children to the extent that the pictures come across in a negative way?

I think these comments nail it! It's all about the way we rear our children (http://ohioline.osu.edu/flm97/fs03.html)

[NudonyII]

Wow! If this is actually true, I really don't know what else to say...:disappointed:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23624078-5001026,00.html?from=public_rss

[Popcorntreect]

Wow, don't anger the Disney gods. They can make you a star overnight and also take it all away just as fast. But that's what happens when you really don't have any talent to begin with.

[Bob S.]

Regarding Nudony's link. It will be hard for Disney to just end "Hannah Montana". It is a huge phenomenon that is making them lots of money. I doubt that they will just push Miley aside for Selena Gomez, who is not close to being as popular as Miley and will doubtfully ever be.

Vanessa Hudgens, star of "High School Musical" also got into a controversy when a nude photo of her, meant only for her boyfriend was publicized. Disney forgave her and continued her role in the HSM sequel.

I have a feeling this will die down with Disney continuing to hype Hannah Montana as vigorously as before. After all, of the three scandals (Vanessa Hudgens' self-shot nude photo, Jamie-Lynn Spears' pregnancy, and Miley Cyrus' backless photo), only the Miley one was not brought upon her by herself.

Bob S.

[Silverback]

Looking at some of the photos of Hanna Montana, aka Miley Cyrus, she has had the same hair do for sometime and always wears that dark red lipstick. So it does not look like they changed her hair do and added red lipstick to produce the picture in question. (http://www.actressarchives.com/) I don't consider this to be a nude photograhy.

[ctmike345]

I don't get the big deal. i see nothing wrong with those photos.

[j m]

Does anyone remember the 1984 movie Blame It On Rio, starring Michael Caine and a young Demi Moore? Remember the other female star, a beautiful young lady named Michelle Johnson, who appeared topless on the beaches on Brazil and even full-frontal in one scene? Well, I just learned that she was 17 at the time the movie was filmed. Have we become more Puritancial since then?

[usmc1]

Does anyone remember the 1984 movie Blame It On Rio, starring Michael Caine and a young Demi Moore? Remember the other female star, a beautiful young lady named Michelle Johnson, who appeared topless on the beaches on Brazil and even full-frontal in one scene? Well, I just learned that she was 17 at the time the movie was filmed. Have we become more Puritancial since then?

Insanely, morbidly and reactionarily so! Yeah, I remember the movie and it had one of the all time great gag scenes:

Caine was playing the part of a novelist with an addiction for marrying beautiful women who later divorced him carving off parts of his fortune. As he was leaving the courthouse after his most recent divorce, leaving him utter broke and propertyless, he was confronted with a choice at the elevators:

Elevator one doors open revealing two statuesque, beauties smiling at him with come-hither looks and stepping aside to allow him room between them.

Elevator two doors open revealing a massive, glowering, Mr.-T type guy with two snarling, frothing Doberman pincers at his side and taking up the whole elevator entrance.

He enters the elevator two with the guy and the dogs! Chaplain could not have done the deadpan any better!

[NudonyII]

Does anyone remember the 1984 movie Blame It On Rio, starring Michael Caine and a young Demi Moore? Remember the other female star, a beautiful young lady named Michelle Johnson, who appeared topless on the beaches on Brazil and even full-frontal in one scene? Well, I just learned that she was 17 at the time the movie was filmed. Have we become more Puritancial since then?

Not to mention Brooke Shield's completely nude performance in "Pretty Baby"...at 13! Sure, even back then (1978) it was a very controversial performance and caused quite a stir. Whether one finds young Brooke Shield's nudity "troubling" or not, one thing is for sure in my mind: that Miley's back today caused the same upheaval as Brooke's complete nudity back then is paradoxal, to say the least.

[Fitz1980]

Personally I don't buy the whole line from Milly and her parents that they had no idea, it was all a mistake and they are sorry. They are saying that her dad (who even posed for a few pictures with her in that same shoot) says that he was out of the room when it happened. I don't think this photographer would seriously wait until Billy Ray was out of the room and than say to a 15 year old girl "how about taking your top off and covering with this blanket" or even if the photographer did Milly would probably want to run it by him first.

I think they were trying to court a little controversy and it's working. They've gotten her a whole lot of media exposure to people outside of her target "tween" demographic. The shelf life of a pop star and a Disney child star is notoriously short and one way to extend it is by doing things that are a little more adult. Look at singers Britney Spears & Christina Agullera; they started as cute teenage singers and started posing in their underwear or less when they had second albums to promote. Look at actress Anne Hathaway who started out as the cute little girl in "The Princess Diaries" and is now doing sex scenes in "Havoc" & "Brokeback Mountain".

[tinhfwv]

Not to mention Brooke Shield's completely nude performance in "Pretty Baby"...at 13! Sure, even back then (1978) it was a very controversial performance and caused quite a stir. Whether one finds young Brooke Shield's nudity "troubling" or not, one thing is for sure in my mind: that Miley's back today caused the same upheaval as Brooke's complete nudity back then is paradoxal, to say the least.

There's more sensitivity now to sexualizing children than there was then.

[Simon-new]

If Miley in those photoes are concidered half nude, then what do they call all of these women in the Dove ads with just that red ribbon wrapped around them. Not to mention the fact that all I see in the photo is her, back.

I have also heard people say that see looks like she has a sexy, 'come here', look on her face. I think she she has a, "I just woke up get out of my room, before I pound you!", look. At least, that is what my sisters would say, if I would go into their room and saw them looking like that.

And when celebrities go on stage to receive awards we most times will see them in dresses that have way more skin showing then Miley's photo. And I don't hear they discribed as half nude.

Also there is that actress from High School the Musical, the Hollywood shows talked about these, "nude", pictures. If all it takes to end a celebrities career is a nude photo, then any one that posed for Playboy, Playgirl, or acted in a Porno flick shouldn't have a career either.

And, in a few years down the road Miley will probably be told she will need to have a photo with her hands holding her breasts so that eveyone will see her as an adult celebrity and not just a yough girl.

I just can't believe so many people get so worked up over photos of people with their skin showing.

[nacktman]

The photo was planned to be just what it was don't ever think different. It is a decent enough photo - Annie has done better.

All the fretting over how the children will react is for the birds ... my youngest granddaughter is all about Hannah Montana and High School Musical and has a copy of the photo of Miley showing her back as well as the full frontal nude of "Gabrella" on her wall in her room along with all the other photos of the pair from every magazine out there and she thinks both are 'Kewl'.

Did I mention my youngest granddaughter just turned eight years old?
All of her friends have the same pictures up on their walls - even the nude one - and all but one of her friends are not fellow nudists.

Children are remarkable that way ... they see things clearly. To them it is just another photo of their current 'hero'.
We adults are the ones with cloudy vision and read way more into things than there are at times.
This is the reason for the photo in the first place to bridge the gap between children and adults so that Miley's career won't come to a screeching halt shortly when the children have a new 'current hero' who's photos they will be diligently and with the utmost care be cutting out of magazines and taping up on their walls.

[Fitz1980]

All the fretting over how the children will react is for the birds ... my youngest granddaughter is all about Hannah Montana and High School Musical and has a copy of the photo of Miley showing her back as well as the full frontal nude of "Gabrella" on her wall in her room along with all the other photos of the pair from every magazine out there and she thinks both are 'Kewl'.

I'm confused, who exactly is "Gabrella"?

[NakedGary]

Fitz1980

Type "Gabriella" or "Gabriella Montez" in any major search engine portal for pages of information.

Gabriella Monteza, a character in the Disney Channel Original Movie High School Musical which was played by Vanessa Ann Hudgens

Vanessa Ann Hudgens took self nude pictures to show boyfriend which leaked out to the internet causing quite a media blitz & celibrity scandal for Disney.

[MJ_KC]

Did I mention my youngest granddaughter just turned eight years old?
All of her friends have the same pictures up on their walls - even the nude one - and all but one of her friends are not fellow nudists.

Children are remarkable that way ... they see things clearly. To them it is just another photo of their current 'hero'.
We adults are the ones with cloudy vision and read way more into things than there are at times.
It is almost always a case of so called adults over reacting while the kids do not have a problem with it. I think that in some cases it can be parents wanting to deny that their own kids are growing up.

[NudonyII]

The photo was planned to be just what it was don't ever think different. It is a decent enough photo - Annie has done better.

Googled some of her work...I had no idea Lance Armstrong had posed nude for her. I learn something new everyday... And who could forget the John Lennon and Yoko shot.

She seems to specialize in the "profile shot". Even though I still prefer non-studio "natural" nudes.

[jon71]

I just saw Blame it on Rio. It was alright, not the best movie ever. It's easy to see that Michelle Johnson was the biggest reason to watch it, she's gorgeous. I do like the attitude that she and Demi Moore expressed at the topless beach. It was very casual and carefree. I don't know that two teenagers raised textile would take to that as naturally as they did so maybe it wasn't too realistic. I think the message was slightly undercut by how obvious it was that Demi Moore was using her hair to hide her breasts. I wouldn't have guessed that she was big enough back then that the studio would cater to her,since Michelle Johnson didn't hide anything, where's the consistency. Oh well, I just wanted to toss it out. After that scene any nudity was sexual in nature so would be outside any positive debate here but I thought that was a small step in the right direction.

[NudonyII]

I just saw Blame it on Rio. It was alright, not the best movie ever. It's easy to see that Michelle Johnson was the biggest reason to watch it, she's gorgeous. I do like the attitude that she and Demi Moore expressed at the topless beach. It was very casual and carefree. I don't know that two teenagers raised textile would take to that as naturally as they did so maybe it wasn't too realistic. I think the message was slightly undercut by how obvious it was that Demi Moore was using her hair to hide her breasts. I wouldn't have guessed that she was big enough back then that the studio would cater to her,since Michelle Johnson didn't hide anything, where's the consistency. Oh well, I just wanted to toss it out. After that scene any nudity was sexual in nature so would be outside any positive debate here but I thought that was a small step in the right direction.

Classic pro-topfreedom scene. Michael Caine's intro is hilarious (Stu, is that you?!) Two american teens today would probably drop their jaws, like "Oh my gaaawd...all these women with no tops? How can they just dooo that?!" But back then, I think they would have been more enclined to give it a shot.
Demi Moore's hair coverage was in fact a topic of conversation back then. Was it shyness? Was it due to her character, who was more conservative than Michelle Johnson's, and portrayed as such? Did Michelle's "ampleness" make Demi self-conscious of her lack of? Who knows.
In some way, the movie can be categorized as "Summer Lovers"; a friendly approach to nudity, but with some heavy sexual overtones. Fun, but not a movie you'd want to play at a nudist get-together.
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[Fitz1980]

I really like that scene, even though I don't particularly care for the rest of "Blame it on Rio." That scene to me shows a rather healthy father-daughter relationship. He's obviously rather uncomfortable with the situation as are many fathers when their "little girls" start looking more like a woman and wearing skimpy bikinis and showing cleavage; but he's not flipping out about it and she's teasing him with her attitude of "what's the big deal, look around this beach."