Transsexuals at Midwest Nudist Camps..

[Randi Pearson]

[Randi Pearson]

[David77]

I have not voted, as I have no idea whether this would cause much commotion and confusion, especially from parents of children, to see a person who has had female hormones which created breasts, and feminine actions, while at the same time manifest the sight of a penis and scrotum. I don't know whether the resort owner would loose business and membership as a result.

I can see where you would want to be accepted and enjoy the resort, and you are probably also angling for an answer as to how you would be received, not only by the owner, but by the other participants.. I do not know. I have never seen a pre-op male to female nude, much less in a group at a nudist resort. I would gladly accept you.

If you had already had your (expensive) operation, you would not have any doubts, I would suppose. If you are to have your operation soon, it would probably be a better experience upon entered a nudist resort, if you waited until your body appearance is not so ambiguous.

Incidentally, I, as well as my church, Unitarian Universalist, accept gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals and transgender persons, and the church will perform comittment ceremonies,
and we covenent to
<LI>1) affirm and promote the inherent worth and dignity of every person,,
<LI>2) justice, equality and compassion in human relations,
etc.

[NakedGary]

Randi Pearson,

Your profile indicates you are a new member since November 3rd, 2001 with four posts. If you click on the "Posts: 4" [below your Forum user name or on recent posts in you profile it will show you posted the same subject/topic in "Miscellaneous" exactly two years ago [without a poll or if you were a manager question] re: "Naked transsexuals/Pre and Post Op" 6/09/2004 11:59 PM "Miscellaneous".

2004 Post by "Randi Pearson" "Naked Transsexuals/Pre and Post OP" Link (http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3400016152/m/5650059152/r/5650059152#5650059152)

After 5 days, and 4 pages of mostly off topic comments etc; Corky closed the topic/thread on 6/14/2004 4:49 PM.

I feel that this very similar topic/thread/poll posted 2 years to date has been misplaced in the category of "Fun of Nude Recreation", so I will move this topic/thread back to "Miscellaneous" category as you posted in before.

Being an almost exact re-post of a previous Post with the exception of the Poll I think is should run long enough to get an overwhelming or majority poll response then closed. If the topic/thread/Poll/comments get off topic it will be closed to further posting as did your previous similar almost duplicate topic referenced.

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[David77]

Wow! I just read the previous thread, as mentioned. It certainly caused controversy of a religious-right type of thinking, as well as some more compassionate reasoned comments.

That June 2004 thread is at;
http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3400016...650059152#5650059152 (http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3400016152/m/5650059152/r/5650059152#5650059152)

[Naturist Mark]

I'm not sure how the park owner would know until after she was admitted.

BTW, I did meet a ts woman at a midwestern nudist resort, she was visiting her father (who is a member). She chose to not be nude, but intends to return later this year after her gender reassignment surgery.

-Mark

[Eric6420]

I do not know how things are for gays, lesbians and transexuals in the Midwest, but about 15 years ago, I went to Iowa to visit an university during 4 days.

I was wearing a nice Lacoste shirt that was majenta and blue, that I had paid around 120$.

Anyway, the level of hate I received just because of this shirt was incredible.

If I had to do it again, I would have go to France instead, but I was sure that the Midwest was not a good place for me after that trip.

[Conor B]

Come to Chicago! We Are Fab!

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Eric6420:
I was wearing a nice Lacoste shirt that was majenta and blue, that I had paid around 120$.

Anyway, the level of hate I received just because of this shirt was incredible.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think that you have misinterpreted this. I can not at all imagine that, in the midwest, (Iowa) that you were hated because of your Lacosta shirt.

Please try to reconsider, reevaluate this idea.

[P.J.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Randi Pearson:
If you were a nudist camp manager,would you let
a male-to-female pre-op transsexual visit
your camp? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


You did not provide enough choices.
My answer would not be NO WAY.
Actually, to be precise, my answer would be YES, BUT WITH RESERVATIONS.
If the clientele were all adults, there would be no problem, but if families were present, a pre-op transexual in attendance could be a problem.
To anyone who considers this unreasonable, look at the clubs who won't allow singles to visit.

[P.J.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Eric6420:
I do not know how things are for gays, lesbians and transexuals in the Midwest, but about 15 years ago, I went to Iowa to visit an university during 4 days.

I was wearing a nice Lacoste shirt that was majenta and blue, that I had paid around 120$.

Anyway, the level of hate I received just because of this shirt was incredible.

If I had to do it again, I would have go to France instead, but I was sure that the Midwest was not a good place for me after that trip. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Eric,
Although we tend to take opposing stands on issues, I assure you that I would never condemn you for wearing a majenta and blue Lacoste shirt.
I might, however, consider the $120.00 to be quite extreme!
Next time, just be on the safe side, before wearing any clothing items, I suggest that you remove the price tags.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P.J.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Eric6420:
I do not know how things are for gays, lesbians and transexuals in the Midwest, but about 15 years ago, I went to Iowa to visit an university during 4 days.

I was wearing a nice Lacoste shirt that was majenta and blue, that I had paid around 120$.

Anyway, the level of hate I received just because of this shirt was incredible.

If I had to do it again, I would have go to France instead, but I was sure that the Midwest was not a good place for me after that trip. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Eric,
Although we tend to take opposing stands on issues, I assure you that I would never condemn you for wearing a majenta and blue Lacoste shirt.
I might, however, consider the $120.00 to be quite extreme!
Next time, just be on the safe side, before wearing any clothing items, I suggest that you remove the price tags. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
People have their own priorities and agenda with their money and are free to spend it as they please.

Some people have certain things they are willing to spend a lot of money. For ex: my mom spends big money when it comes to shoes as she loves shoes.

I always buy same brand of jeans, Diesels, which runs from 125-145$.

What may be extreme to one is not to another.

[nacktman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> ... I suggest you remove the price tags. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahemm, Methinks t'was meant to be humorous there Croydon, buddy. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/eusa_dance.gif

Anyway Eric, magenta and blue? No wonder you got a few second looks, I mean those colors are hedious together, I mean really now! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

On topic: I don't see a problem with anyone being at a club for the right reasons.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I went to Iowa to visit an university during 4 days.

I was wearing a nice Lacoste shirt that was majenta and blue, that I had paid around 120$.

Anyway, the level of hate I received just because of this shirt was incredible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh geez, I guess some people missed the point ... he went to a university wearing a rival university's colors and 'received hate'.

Imagine wearing Maize and Blue at Ohio State.

It's a joke folks.

-Mark

NB: Iowa State: Cardinal (Magenta) & Gold - with Blue trim
University of Iowa Hawkeyes: Black & Gold

[David77]

I don't know much about "school colors", but in art, red and blue-green are one of the three sets of complimentary colors.

[Eric6420]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Eric6420:
I was wearing a nice Lacoste shirt that was majenta and blue, that I had paid around 120$.

Anyway, the level of hate I received just because of this shirt was incredible.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think that you have misinterpreted this. I can not at all imagine that, in the midwest, (Iowa) that you were hated because of your Lacosta shirt.

Please try to reconsider, reevaluate this idea. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, it was quite a trip. I was only about 20 years old and my english skills were not very good.(My first language is french). So when I arrived in Chicago, I missed my plane for Cedar Rapids, but that was not too bad, because they put me in another plane two hours later. When I arrived in Cedar Rapids, two minutes after entering in the motel (Red Roof Inns)or red reef inn... the electricity went off for two hours, and the clerk was not willing to give me the key for my room, so I had to wait two hours in the hall, the cops asked me differents questions and I finnally could have my room after two hours.

The mornig after I went to the Mc Donald's at Cedar Rapids, the waitress who took the orders told in with most disdain "theses guys haven't changed!"

The University I was visiting was MIU in Fairfield. I was interested in meditation in that time for relaxation purpose.

That university does not exist anymore (is it just a business school now, if it still exist and the name changed).

It was supposed to be a great international university with teachers from Harvard, Yale, Oxford and others.

Fairfield was a poor town, it seems to be that nothing has been built exept the university for the least 50 years. Many teanagers I saw on the streets lack a lot of their teeth, it was worst than Quebec 75 years ago.

When I arrived at the local fast food, I mean, some of the employees had almost a panic attak just because there was dark pink (magenta) in my shirt color.

The university itsesf was quite backward (although not as poor as the town) where the men had to sit on one side of a class and the women on the other side).

Some people were nice to me, but others were clearly hatefull. It is not a surprise to me that the university has ended most of its activities now.

I was quite happy to return fast to Quebec after that trip that was like a trip in the past and not very confortable one.

[David77]

Eric states;
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I was quite happy to return fast to Quebec after that trip that was like a trip in the past and not very confortable one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm sorry that you had a "bad trip", Eric. I was in Cedar Rapids Iowa two years ago and stayed at the Red Roof Inn and found everything to my satisfaction. I have not been in Fairfield.

I had just the opposite type of trip when we visited Quebec years ago, as we greatly enjoyed it.
<hr>
There we had two interesting language encounters, thus;
We could not speak French, so when we got lost in a Montreal neighborhood we asked some people on the street for directions but they did not understand English, and some people viewing us from their homes came outside to try to understand what we were saying, but they were not able to put the English together, either.

We shopped in a store located underground, and my wife asked the clerk to mail the purchased dress to our address in Illinois. The clerk stated that she had never heard of Illinois. At this point, a second clerk intervened and pronounced Illinois the French way, which was something sounding like IL-e-wah, I believe. At that point the first clerk recognized the state.
<hr>
I have since tried to learn a little French from "Living Language" recordings, but it did not help me in Paris much in 2003.
I like to watch French movies on my TV. The French movies presented periodically on my TV do not seem as violent as American movies.

In Montreal we went to a fine restaurant where all the waiters and waitresses were opera singers who sang gorgeous opera arias as they waited tables and also took turns at the microphone.

Best of luck with your French studies, Eric.