Why Palin must not be elected...

[usmc1]

Despite being a lifetime Republican, I must say after the last several years of market declines, I sure miss Clintonomics. Those were good years.
Rone, a lot of people calling themselves Republican for the last couple of decades are merely Democrats at heart who have full-bellies and short memories.

Now you old boys are getting that proverbial two-by-four reminder up along side your head as to what this stuff is really about!

At my day job yesterday, I had two good-old-boy, middle-aged, white-men come come up and say to me, "I didn't care for his morals, but Clinton sure knew how to run the country. I'm a Republican but I'm voting for Obama". And the other, "The Republicans have broken the country".

[Boreas]

At my day job yesterday, I had two good-old-boy, middle-aged, white-men come come up and say to me, "I didn't care for his morals, but Clinton sure knew how to run the country. I'm a Republican but I'm voting for Obama". And the other, "The Republicans have broken the country".<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

And now the whole world is being affected because of the bad management in the US. That makes me angry!

[LamontCranston]

And now the whole world is being affected because of the bad management in the US. That makes me angry! It's bad management by a two-party system that's ineffective, powerful and largely corrupt. It's the Bush Administration that's been awful. And the Democrats don't seem able to accomplish anything unless they've got a 2/3rds majority in both houses and a sitting President.

The Iraq War was bad and years later it's worse.
The poorly managed, unmonitored financial system is collapsing under it's own greed.

If one of the presidential candidates said, "Within the first 90-days of my presidency I will withdraw 50% of troop levels from Iraq and furthermore, under my admistration the U.S. will no longer provide unlimited and unending security to foreign nations. And I will submit a Bill to Congress repealing any and all business tax breaks to the oil industry. They are in the business of building refineries and increasing capacity here, not lining the pockets of executives and shareholders. We need to solve problems at home, shore up our economy and restore the manufacturing might that brought us to power. Greed and abuse of power will no longer play from sea to shining sea."

That person would get my vote. Bold. Decisive. Listening to years of public clamor.

As it is, they just squabble. The both of them. Arguing about placement of deck chairs and evening entertainment on the Titanic.

[Boreas]

As it is, they just squabble. The both of them. Arguing about placement of deck chairs and evening entertainment on the Titanic.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Amen. We are getting the Canadian version as well. I think the Canadian leaders are marginally better behaved. Just marginally. There is a little less mud here apparently.

I think some of what we are seeing is the result of the neoliberal dogma of deregulate and let the market decide. As if the market is ever really free.

[LamontCranston]

Amen. We are getting the Canadian version as well. I think the Canadian leaders are marginally better behaved. Just marginally. There is a little less mud here apparently. BTW Boreas - I saw part of a replay earlier this week of the Canadian PM debate where you had described them sitting around a table. I did like the presentation (attitude and content) of the Green Party candidate. She seemed different and set apart in a better way.

I'm going to give all the alternative candadites a good look over the next few weeks. Some folks say that's wasting a vote. I disagree. This two-party set up we've been enduring is clearly not serving my needs.

[Boreas]

Yes, Elizabeth May, our Green party leader is awesome. We were just talking about her today. If she were leader of the Liberal Party, or even the NDP, she'd likely be our next PM. She is a very sharp woman. A breath of fresh air. She is also a reminder that we need to be thinking outside the box, as they say, and start doing things differently. The "Old Boys Net" just does not cut it anymore.

BTW, what do you think of the comparsion between our major female leader and yours? Could May and Palin be any more different? I even appreciate that Elizabeth May was one step away from a bad hair day at the debate. ;) It made her look more real, and less plastic!

[nimrod]

I'm going to give all the alternative candadites a good look over the next few weeks. Some folks say that's wasting a vote. I disagree. This two-party set up we've been enduring is clearly not serving my needs.

I agree that voting for a thrid party is not a wasted vote, if they are closer to what you want a president to be and closer to your beliefs. Wasting a vote is voting for the lesser of two evils. If more people would do as you are doing we just might end up with an indy president.

[Boreas]

I agree that voting for a thrid party is not a wasted vote, if they are closer to what you want a president to be and closer to your beliefs. Wasting a vote is voting for the lesser of two evils. If more people would do as you are doing we just might end up with an indy president.

I agree. In our system, the third party could conceivably be the opposition party, and that would be good. Also, they tend to keep the main parties from straying TOO far to the right.

If everyone voted their conscience, and with some critical thinking, then I believe we'd have a different government.

[usmc1]

I agree. In our system, the third party could conceivably be the opposition party, and that would be good. Also, they tend to keep the main parties from straying TOO far to the right.

If everyone voted their conscience, and with some critical thinking, then I believe we'd have a different government.

In the U.S. system, a third party presidential vote is not necessarily a "wasted" vote. It sometimes has an impact. It dose not get your person elected or bring about immediate change, but if there are a significant numbers of "third party" votes, one or the other of the two major parties will absorb the major issue[s] into its platform.

This applies to third party votes based on a party or movement with real, significant membership. Fringe or non-of-the-above type votes are indeed wasted.

If you really want to change things and influence who your party puts forth, there exists a model. It was given us by the radical right's alliance with the evangelicals. Get involved at the grassroots, take over or become part of the party's precinct structure, run like-minded people for city, county, school-district, MUD districts, Water districts and state offices.

Progressives are doing this right now, targeting 2010 as the year we have regained a measurable influence in the Democratic party. Except we have taken the Right's strategy and added the tactic of house-hold level metrics. They targeted groups, we're targeting you!

Bush/McPalin has made it easier...thank you!

[Naturist Mark]

12 New Stomach-Turning Revelations About Sarah Palin (http://www.alternet.org/election08/102345/12_new_stomach-turning_revelations_about_sarah_palin/?page=entire)

[LamontCranston]

It doesn't seem his own party figures Joe Biden as being very Presidential. They rejected him twice even after months of campaigning and primaries. What's he done in the last 20 years that would change minds...? Where's he been since the VP debates?

I'm not sure I'd want either VP running the White House.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Joe_Biden



1984 Democratic National Convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Democratic_National_Convention) :

Walter Mondale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mondale) - 2,191 (56.41%)
Gary Hart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Hart) - 1,201 (30.92%)
Jesse Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson) - 466 (12.00%)
Thomas Eagleton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Eagleton) - 18 (0.46%)
George McGovern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern) - 4 (0.10%)
John Glenn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Glenn) - 2 (0.05%)
Joe Biden - 1 (0.03%)
Martha Kirkland (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martha_Kirkland&action=edit&redlink=1) - 1 (0.03%)
1988 Democratic National Convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Democratic_National_Convention) :

Michael Dukakis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dukakis) - 2,877 (70.09%)
Jesse Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson) - 1,219 (29.70%)
Richard H. Stallings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_H._Stallings) - 3 (0.07%)
Joe Biden - 2 (0.05%)
Dick Gephardt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Gephardt) - 2 (0.05%)
Lloyd Bentsen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Bentsen) - 1 (0.02%)
Gary Hart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Hart) - 1 (0.02%)

[usmc1]

It doesn't seem his own party figures Joe Biden as being very Presidential.

Wrongo-bongo! Seems the Democratic party is supporting him a great deal, putting money into ads and sending him into important swing states. Looks like support to me!

[Qikdraw]

It doesn't seem his own party figures Joe Biden as being very Presidential. They rejected him twice even after months of campaigning and primaries. What's he done in the last 20 years that would change minds...? Where's he been since the VP debates?

He's had to deal with the death of his mother-in-law, and he has also been out campaigning. You are not hearing about him because he is not out stirring up the mobs with hate filled rhetoric. He also has not been found guilty of abusing his official powers.

Joe Biden's schedule today...

Rochester, New Hampshire
The American Legion Hall
10:00 am (EDT)

Manchester, New Hampshire
Southern New Hampshire University
Athletics & Recreation Complex
Field House
1:30 pm (EDT)

Dover, Delaware
Rollins Center at Dover Downs Hotel and Conference Center
7:00 pm (EDT)

He's been out there and if you'd take a quick look on the internet you'd find that out easy. Remember the internet is your friend.

[jon71]

He does a lot of campaigning in Pennsylvania which is considered a must win and where Biden was born. It's working, Obama has a really nice lead there.

[usmc1]

RICHMOND, VA.) - Protesters at Sarah Palin’s rallies can always expect to be shot down with some choice words from the candidate. But at a rally here today, the confused Alaska governor mistakenly issued a stern rebuke to her own supporters.

The outdoor crowd was so massive that many were unable to hear Palin speak, so about midway through the Alaska governor’s remarks, some of them tried to take matters into their own hands, shouting in unison, “We can’t hear you!”

When that didn’t get the candidate’s attention, they tried a new tactic.

“Louder!” they shouted.

Palin appeared flustered as she stopped reading from the prepared remarks, which were coming across her teleprompter.

“I would hope at least that those protesters have the courage and the honor of thanking our veterans for giving them the right to protest!” she admonished the confused crowd.

Palin’s husband Todd tried to put an end to the awkward episode by approaching his wife on stage and telling her, “They just can’t hear you back there. That’s it.”

Palin responded, “OK. I’m doing that,” and then continued with her stump speech.

[brazhunter]

RICHMOND, VA.) - Protesters at Sarah Palin’s rallies can always expect to...

You talking about this sort of stuff?

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[usmc1]

You talking about this sort of stuffNo, of course not. It is deplorable. I understand the facts however are a bit different than you would have us think.

The propagators of this obscenity are less Obama supporters than they are promoting the sales of their "counter-culture" T-shirts and appeared at a private fund-raiser for Palin to promote their t-shirts.

Since conservatives don't do nuance or common sense, let me explain the distinction and difference for you.

Sarah Palin inflames hatred using outrageous words and when that hatred verges on violence and hateful words in her presence at her rallies she does nothing to rebuke or tone down the ugliness.

Obama was not present when these idiots showed up, they were not at an Obama rally and he can hardly be connected to them. Since he is such a forthright and decent man, I am certain that were it come to his attention he would deplore it as much as I, or any other upright person.

Sarah incites the hatred.

Obama had no part in the stupidity.

Grow tf up

Too bad you can't have the same level of comfort in your candidates.

[Qikdraw]

It doesn't seem his own party figures Joe Biden as being very Presidential. They rejected him twice even after months of campaigning and primaries. What's he done in the last 20 years that would change minds...? Where's he been since the VP debates?

Just in case you are missing it today...

Warren, Ohio
Warren Community Amphitheatre
10:30 am (EDT)

St. Clairsville, Ohio
Ohio University Eastern Campus
4:00 pm (EDT)

Marietta, Ohio
Armory Square
7:15 pm (EDT)

A point in fact is that he is out speaking far more than Palin is. And he actually talks with reporters! Shocking that!

[brazhunter]

Sarah incites the hatred.
Nope, the hatred you're referring to is strictly in the imagination of the partisan hacks trying to create discourse where there is none.


does nothing to rebuke or tone down the ugliness. You mean like Obama doing nothing to quell the sexist remarks, right?

[usmc1]

Nope, the hatred you're referring to is strictly in the imagination of the partisan hacks trying to create discourse where there is none.

You mean like Obama doing nothing to quell the sexist remarks, right?
You've left the planet right? You'd defend anything. You excuse the filth, the hatred and the racism. You know what that makes you just like? Yeah you know don't you.

The media didn't create it. It was already there, Palin threw gasoline on the fire. But, it is not the media alone that are outraged, even hardline conservatives recognize and comment about how ugly and wrong it is. We've poste3d their comments here.

And you defend and excuse it. That leaves you pretty much alone.

None of you people calling yourself conservative that post in these forums have had the moral grounding or personal courage to rebuke that behavior or to speak out against the guy who murdered church goers in TN, just because their church was liberal.

Not a single one of you. Not a single damned one of you. And that is very telling!

You tell me what "sexist" thing Obama said, and I'll research it, and if it stands, I will express my personal disappointment in him..because, I think he and his wife are really very decent people who do not share those sorts of hateful character defects.

[LamontCranston]

None of you people calling yourself conservative that post in these forums have had the moral grounding or personal courage to rebuke that behavior or to speak out against the guy who murdered church goers in TN, just because their church was liberal.

Not a single one of you. Not a single damned one of you. And that is very telling! What and when the heck are you talking about?? :confused:

If you think I run around these forums reading every long-winded post and following all the links, or that I'm somehow obligated to respond, you're wallowing in your own self-importance.

Here's a napkin... wipe the spittle from your chin and have a seat. Please remember, in here you've chosen to be an anonymous nothing and nobody without even a first name. Your opinions carry the same weight. :D

[Nugent]

OH come, come you just spew spit all over the place when you holler like that:eek:

[usmc1]

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None of you people calling yourself conservative that post in these forums have had the moral grounding or personal courage to rebuke that behavior or to speak out against the guy who murdered church goers in TN, just because their church was liberal.

Not a single one of you. Not a single damned one of you. And that is very telling!
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The shadow replies


What and when the heck are you talking about?? :confused:

If you think I run around these forums reading every long-winded post and following all the links, or that I'm somehow obligated to respond, you're wallowing in your own self-importance.

Here's a napkin... wipe the spittle from your chin and have a seat. Please remember, in here you've chosen to be an anonymous nothing and nobody without even a first name. Your opinions carry the same weight. :DSo you saw yourself in what I wrote. Very telling, indeed.

The point remains valid, not a person identifying themselves as conservative has spoken out in these threads against the man who killed church goers in TN because their church was liberal, or Sarah Palin's hate-mongering.

Nothing long-winded or link related. Just a call to basic human decency. It really has nothing to do with me, other than that I am calling some of you on it!

Not a person posting in these threads calling themselves conservative has had the moral fortitude to disavow Palin's hate-mongering as they also lacked the moral fortitude to speak out against the right-wing incendiary and hate-filled literature found in the killer's apartment in TN.

Not a single-one.l That's speaks volumes! If you see yourself in that description good, you needed to see it!

[Skinview]

Most of the provisions of Clinton's economic stimulus bill were subsequently included in the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 (http://www.allbusiness.com/personal-finance/individual-taxes/392324-1.html) which every single Republican in Congress voted against, and only passed in the Senate when Al Gore cast the tie-breaking vote.

What followed was the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth in American history and the only budget surpluses in two generations.
What followed was the Democrats got creamed in 1994, and when the Republicans took over, we enjoyed "the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth in American history and the only budget surpluses in two generations."

Just sayin'

[Skinview]

Despite being a lifetime Republican, I must say after the last several years of market declines, I sure miss Clintonomics. Those were good years.

You mean Gingrichomics? ;)

[jon71]

Gingrich had nothing to do with it. Clintonomics was established in the landmark 1993 budget when Dem.s were in the majority and not one rep. voted for it. After Gingrich and others came in they tried to change things and lost. Clinton repeatedly vetoed them and since their majority was no where close to 2/3 they blinked and settled for only token changes from there on out. Rep.s had a great year for them in '94, Dem.s regained some of that in '96 and more in '98. America is so lucky that the "Republican revolution" was nothing more than one bad year, a flash in the pan really.
Getting back on topic Palin is really sad and pathetic. She is egging on the hatred and bile by making dishonest libelous attacks like "palling around with terrorists", a bald faced lie and she knows it. It's so bad intermittenly McCain has spoken up and said that Obama has good character. That he's a good man, they simply disagree profoundly on policy. Other times McCain lets the hatred flow without blinking. I think on his good days McCain knows Obama will win and doesn't want the far right to poison the well for America. He wants conditions to be where Obama has an honest opportunity to make things better for America. Other times I think McCain is so desperate to win he'll tolerate, even accept the hatred and vitriol, he'll tell any lie, commit any slander, and take the lowest road he can find. I wonder which McCain will show up in the remaining three weeks or if the two McCain's will take turns like they've been doing lately? Of course maybe the man is just senile or schitzo- but that's probably best saved for a thread of it's own.

[Fitz1980]

Please remember, in here you've chosen to be an anonymous nothing and nobody without even a first name. Your opinions carry the same weight. :D

Said the guy who's using the name of a fictional radio character from 70+ years ago.

[Qikdraw]

Said the guy who's using the name of a fictional radio character from 70+ years ago.

Hey! I used to listen to those radio shows! They were repeats at night and would listen to them as I lay in bed. I loved those old shows. :)

[Qikdraw]

It doesn't seem his own party figures Joe Biden as being very Presidential. They rejected him twice even after months of campaigning and primaries. What's he done in the last 20 years that would change minds...? Where's he been since the VP debates?

Again, for your edification.

Biden speaking today...

Athens, Ohio
Athens County Fairgrounds
10:30 am (EDT)

Lancaster, Ohio
Ohio University - Lancaster Campus
2:00 pm (EDT)

Newark, Ohio
Adena Hall Athletic Complex
Ohio State University, Newark Campus
6:00 pm (EDT)

[Navigator]

...be sure to click on the deer when you find it...

http://www.palinaspresident.com/

[usmc1]

Again, for your edification.

Biden speaking today...

Athens, Ohio
Athens County Fairgrounds
10:30 am (EDT)

Lancaster, Ohio
Ohio University - Lancaster Campus
2:00 pm (EDT)

Newark, Ohio
Adena Hall Athletic Complex
Ohio State University, Newark Campus
6:00 pm (EDT)
Oh you long-winded brute. But, on the other hand you didn't put up a link.

[Qikdraw]

Oh you long-winded brute. But, on the other hand you didn't put up a link.

Now why would I need a link if I list where he is speaking? You're just being silly. :D

LamintCranston was wondering what Biden has been up to, and because the media isn't fawning all over him I guess he thought Biden was hiding. I'm just proving that wrong is all. I guess if Biden wants to be in teh media spotlight he needs to prove he committed ethical violations or links to anti-American, pro-Alaskan seperatist groups.

[usmc1]

Now why would I need a link if I list where he is speaking? You're just being silly. :D

LamintCranston was wondering what Biden has been up to, and because the media isn't fawning all over him I guess he thought Biden was hiding. I'm just proving that wrong is all. I guess if Biden wants to be in teh media spotlight he needs to prove he committed ethical violations or links to anti-American, pro-Alaskan seperatist groups.
Since the shadow wrote:

If you think I run around these forums reading every long-winded post and following all the links, or that I'm somehow obligated to respond, you're wallowing in your own self-importance

I wanted to take opportunity to congratulate you in accomplishing your end without being long-winded and inflicting the ardors of link clicking on him. You gave him the facts and he didn't even have to shift his butt around in the chair to get them.

Silly? In the final summation, it is all rather silly in its own way, I should think.

[Fitz1980]

Here's the kind of people who Palin brings out.

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Oh and in what must be a first the SNL parody actually was able to use the actual words from the Palin interview.

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[LamontCranston]

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None of you people calling yourself conservative that post in these forums have had the moral grounding or personal courage to rebuke that behavior or to speak out against the guy who murdered church goers in TN, just because their church was liberal.

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The shadow replies

So you saw yourself in what I wrote. Very telling, indeed.

The point remains valid, not a person identifying themselves as conservative has spoken out in these threads against the man who killed church goers in TN because their church was liberal, or Sarah Palin's hate-mongering.

Nothing long-winded or link related. Just a call to basic human decency. It really has nothing to do with me, other than that I am calling some of you on it!

Not a person posting in these threads calling themselves conservative has had the moral fortitude to disavow Palin's hate-mongering as they also lacked the moral fortitude to speak out against the right-wing incendiary and hate-filled literature found in the killer's apartment in TN.

Not a single-one.l That's speaks volumes! If you see yourself in that description good, you needed to see it! Again, I'm scratching my head... what the heck are you rambling on about? :confused: Who's killing people in a church and how is anyone here even remotely connected to it? Is this a 3 degrees of Kevin Bacon game or something?

"People who kill people are bad." There, does that help you get through the day?

"Scanners" was a good image. You're head's going to explode when McCain beats Obama and the Rebublican regain majority in the Senate...

[usmc1]

The woman is an unmitigated nitwit. How can anyone take this travesty seriously. Watch as she proves she's dumber than a third grader.

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[Qikdraw]

AP INVESTIGATION: Alaska funded Palin kids' travel (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PALIN_FAMILY_TRAVEL?SITE=KMOV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)


ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business.

The charges included costs for hotel and commercial flights for three daughters to join Palin to watch their father in a snowmobile race, and a trip to New York, where the governor attended a five-hour conference and stayed with 17-year-old Bristol for five days and four nights in a luxury hotel.

In all, Palin has charged the state $21,012 for her three daughters' 64 one-way and 12 round-trip commercial flights since she took office in December 2006. In some other cases, she has charged the state for hotel rooms for the girls.

Alaska law does not specifically address expenses for a governor's children. The law allows for payment of expenses for anyone conducting official state business.

As governor, Palin justified having the state pay for the travel of her daughters - Bristol, 17; Willow, 14; and Piper, 7 - by noting on travel forms that the girls had been invited to attend or participate in events on the governor's schedule.

But some organizers of these events said they were surprised when the Palin children showed up uninvited, or said they agreed to a request by the governor to allow the children to attend.

Several other organizers said the children merely accompanied their mother and did not participate. The trips enabled Palin, whose main state office is in the capital of Juneau, to spend more time with her children.

"She said any event she can take her kids to is an event she tries to attend," said Jennifer McCarthy, who helped organize the June 2007 Family Day Celebration picnic in Ketchikan that Piper attended with her parents.

State Finance Director Kim Garnero told The Associated Press she has not reviewed the Palins' travel expense forms, so she could not say whether the daughters' travel with their mother would meet the definition of official business.

On Aug. 6, three weeks before Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain chose Palin his running mate, and after Alaska reporters asked for the records, Palin ordered changes to previously filed expense reports for her daughters' travel.

In the amended reports, Palin added phrases such as "First Family attending" and "First Family invited" to explain the girls' attendance.

The previous governor NEVER charged the state for children travel or hotel expenses. Looks like Palin is knee deep in politics as usual for corrupt politicians.

[NudeAl]

If this has been posted elsewhere my apoligies. It appears that Sara Palin doesn't have enough experience for even most Alaskans.

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/567867.html

[PeteINA]

This may have been reported elsewhere, if so, my apologies. But I do find the information telling us more of the character of Sarah Palin...

The San Jose (California) Mercury News (http://www.mercurynews.com/) reports this morning that an Associated Press review of Palin's signature accomplishment - a contract to build a 1,715 mile pipeline to bring natural gas to the the lower 48 states - resulted from a bidding process that narrowed the bidding community to businesses with ties to the Alaska governor's administration.

Read the complete AP investigation report/article as it appeared in the paper: tinyurl.com/584wsx (http://tinyurl.com/584wsx)

ANCHORAGE, Alaska—Gov. Sarah Palin's signature accomplishment—a contract to build a 1,715-mile pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska to the Lower 48—emerged from a flawed bidding process that narrowed the field to a company with ties to her administration, an Associated Press investigation shows.


Instead of creating a process that would attract many potential builders, Palin slanted the terms away from an important group—the global energy giants that own the rights to the gas.



Despite promises and legal guidance not to talk directly with potential bidders, Palin had meetings or phone calls with nearly every major candidate, including TransCanada.



The leader of Palin's pipeline team had been a partner at a lobbying firm where she worked on behalf of a TransCanada subsidiary. Also, that woman's former business partner at the lobbying firm was TransCanada's lead private lobbyist on the pipeline deal, interacting with legislators in the weeks before the vote to grant TransCanada the contract. Plus, a former TransCanada executive served as an outside consultant to Palin's pipeline team.



Under a different set of rules four years earlier, TransCanada had offered to build the pipeline without a state subsidy; under Palin, the company could receive a maximum $500 million.

And, contrary to the ballyhoo, there's no guarantee that the pipeline will ever be built; at a minimum, any project is years away as TransCanada must first overcome major financial and regulatory hurdles.

Yet, McCain-Palin spokesman Taylor Griffin says: "There was an open and transparent process that subjected the decision to extensive public scrutiny and due diligence."

What shenanigans would this country be in for if she were to be come president?

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Sarah Palin initiated a tax the rich and "spread the wealth around" plan as governor of Alaska, but now calls such plans suggested by Obama as being Marxist and Socialistic!

While Obama and McCain debate a windfall tax on oil companies - Obama in favor, McCain opposed (http://www.obamafactcheck.com/facts/10/345464.shtml) - Palin has already imposed a windfall oil profits tax in Alaska.

In 2007 Palin pushed for and enacted a major increase in state oil taxes - a step that has generated stunning new revenues for Alaska as oil prices have soared. The Alaska Oil and Gas Association estimates the state collected $6 billion from Palin-imposed windfall taxes during the fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2008. Combined with other new and existing oil taxes, as well as royalties, the state's total oil revenue in the last fiscal year exceeded $10 billion - double the amount the state received the previous fiscal year. [1] (http://www.mccainfactcheck.com/facts/11/palin_windfall_profits_tax_344511.shtml#Ref1)

Palin's windfall tax will fund a $1,200 "rebate" that Alaska will give to every eligible man, woman and child in Alaska, to help offset soaring fuel prices. That money will be dispersed as part of larger, $3,269 check that Alaskans will receive that was paid for by state taxes on oil companies - a family of four will receive a check for $13,076. The fuel rebates will cost the state $750 million. [1-3] (http://www.mccainfactcheck.com/facts/11/palin_windfall_profits_tax_344511.shtml#Ref1)

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Palin faces ethics complaint over kids' travel New complaint charges VP hopeful of charging state for kids' travel
The Associated Press

updated 3:41 p.m. CT, Wed., Oct. 29, 2008
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A new ethics complaint against Sarah Palin accuses the Alaska governor of charging the state when her children traveled with her.

The complaint alleges that the Republican vice presidential nominee used her official position as governor for personal gain.

The Associated Press reported this month that Palin charged the state more than $21,000 for her three daughters' commercial flights since she became governor in December 2006. She later ordered changes to travel forms to specify official business on the trips.

The complaint released Wednesday says Palin charged the travel costs for events her children were not invited to and where they served no legitimate state business.

Earlier this month, a legislative report found Palin violated state ethics laws when she fired her public safety commissioner.


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Here's Christopher Hitchens' take on Palin.

http://slate.com/id/2203120

In an election that has been fought on an astoundingly low cultural and intellectual level, with both candidates pretending that tax cuts can go like peaches and cream with the staggering new levels of federal deficit, and paltry charges being traded in petty ways, and with Joe the Plumber becoming the emblematic stupidity of the campaign, it didn't seem possible that things could go any lower or get any dumber. But they did last Friday, when, at a speech in Pittsburgh, Gov. Sarah Palin denounced wasteful expenditure on fruit-fly research, adding for good xenophobic and anti-elitist measure that some of this research took place "in Paris, France" and winding up with a folksy "I kid you not."

Palin coming out against genetic research is epically ironic given that she has a special needs child herself and the kind of research that she is downtalking is often employed to understand such disorders. But I guess if your answer for everything is "God did it" than you don't need to understand the science behind Autism and Downs Syndrome.

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Ok now you realize that if there was video of Obama getting blessed by a black witchdoctor, and I don't know another word for a guy who is literally rebuking witches in his prayer, this election would be over already and Obama would never stand a chance.

Of course these are the same people who say that Obama pals around with terrorists when Palin's husband is a member of the successionist Alaskan Independence Party.

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Sarah Palin initiated a tax the rich and "spread the wealth around" plan as governor of Alaska, but now calls such plans suggested by Obama as being Marxist and Socialistic!

I agree. The Alaska tax rebate is socialistic. It existed before Palin took office. Now you say that Palin's tax increase took in $6 billion, and $750 million was dispersed to Alaskans. It would appear that the purpose, and largely the use, was for state spending, which is not socialistic.