This isnt good

[NorthEastUSA]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,451964,00.html

[Ita3rd]

It's a shame they feel they have to sink to that level to get customers. I guess they haven't thought about what will happen after their month long anything goes policy comes to an end.

[luvnaturism]

My wife has been wanting to go back to Australia, and I'd been planning to couple that trip with a visit to this resort. That won't happen now.

The closest parallel I'm familiar with is that Grand Lido Braco in Jamaica, which we love, does once or twice a year sell out the nude side to lifestylers. However, according to the trip reports I've read, their standards for public behavior do not change: no overt sexual activity in public, period.

[Qikdraw]

I don't see why its not good. They're adults, they're paying customers, whats wrong with that? Obviously if you don't like it don't go, but I really do not see a problem with a resort trying to bring in customers.

[bill2me]

I wish it was not a nudist resort that had decided to do this.

[JeepNude]

I don't see why its not good. They're adults, they're paying customers, whats wrong with that? Obviously if you don't like it don't go, but I really do not see a problem with a resort trying to bring in customers.


You might see the problem if you look at it from a P.R. point of view. This is the sort of thing that tends to stick in people's minds when trying to decide if they want to try nude recreation or not. A news story of this event will destroy a whole lot of innocent promotion by our legitimate nude recreation community.

It's like a bully that keeps stomping on your sand castle.

[Stu2630]

I think you are worrying unduly. Most people know enough about nudism to realise that there is a huge difference between the "adults-only, hedonistic" type of resort and the genuine, family naturism which CFI etc promotes.

At least I hope they do.

Stu

[Pete Knight]

The couple that run this place have frightened so many naturists away that they are obviously having to lower their standards to keep the money coming in, I've heard some absolute horror stories.

My best advice is to avoid it, there is another place near Cairns, and there are some absolutely brilliant resorts in other parts of Australia, River Island (http://www.riverisland.com.au/) in NSW, Sunland (http://www.sunlandholidayvillage.net.au/) in SA, not to mention the friendly clubs.

Pete Knight

[Qikdraw]

You might see the problem if you look at it from a P.R. point of view. This is the sort of thing that tends to stick in people's minds when trying to decide if they want to try nude recreation or not. A news story of this event will destroy a whole lot of innocent promotion by our legitimate nude recreation community.

It's like a bully that keeps stomping on your sand castle.

If someone is willing to try out nudism, they are going to look around and see what is available. If you do just a minor search your going to find full on sex resorts while looking for nudist ones anyway. So I don't see how this will drive away any potential nudists.

The resort wil stilll be 'nudist only' 11 months of the year as luvnaturism mentioned another resort does the same type of thing.

I still fail to see how this is a bad thing.

[connorsdad]

Wow. This is crazy. Just wow.:surprised:

[Bob S.]

Qikdraw: "Obviously if you don't like it don't go, but I really do not see a problem with a resort trying to bring in customers."

The problem is not the guests but the behaviour, which is contrary to one of their six rules: Please conduct yourself as in the clothed world. Overt sexual pressure, or behaviour, will not be tolerated. Those with alternative sexuality choices should leave those private choices at home.

When a person, organization, or business tries to make more money with a scheme that runs contrary to their stated rules or morality, people will think less of them. The question is how much business will the lose now from their regular customers? This could kill them.

All of this for a late summer/early fall changeover to an adults-only sex resort for a month. Instead of trying to figure out ways to get nudists back, they chose to do away with one of their rules to get customers they normally would turn away or kick out. How is this good?

Bob S.

[Naturist4Ever]

BobS >> When a person, organization, or business tries to make more money with a scheme that runs contrary to their stated rules or morality, people will think less of them. The question is how much business will the lose now from their regular customers? This could kill them.

Quite unlikely it will kill them and quite to contrarary too since (quote) "[this resort was] once billed as the nation's top group-sex hotspot for swingers[/b]. (end quote). Essentially, if they get fewer of their regular customers (nudists) over the remaining 11 months they could always extend the 1mo to 2mo a.s.o. In fact, it seems that if the owner reverted back to the old scheme but with a few stricter rules on the swingers he would be sitting on a gold mine again.

The real point is that over the 3 years that it ran as a strictly-nudism-only resort they haven't been able to shake off their reputation or bad-name-among-nudists. Because, as soon as they revert back to swinging they are fully booked again. That is not so suprising since swingers care much less about nudists (i.e., those that are not into it) then the other way around. You see the same at nude beaches, once it gets a "bad' reputation for ppl that visit with other intentions (cruising in particular) it is almost impossible to shake it off.

[inudist]

All I ask for in all of this is some truth in advertising. If someone is running a swinger's club, then they should call themselves a swinger's club instead of disguising themselves as a "nudist club with an adult atmosphere" or something like that. This is bad PR for nudism as a whole.

[Ken Palmer]

I agree with you on this wholeheartedly 100%! This is a complete travesty for the entire nudist/naturist community. As you stated already, this will ruin what the legitimate nudist community is trying to accomplish in promoting innocent nude recreation. And also, this will stick out in a lot of people's minds in their image of what nudists/naturists are all about. Like we don't already have that problem! Trust me, this will almost no doubt magnify that situation and will definitely not help our cause! As a result of this news, I am choosing never to visit this resort as a matter of principle. I don't know how many others here feel the same way.

Ken Palmer

P.S.- If I have offended anyone who feels differently as I do, I apologize.



You might see the problem if you look at it from a P.R. point of view. This is the sort of thing that tends to stick in people's minds when trying to decide if they want to try nude recreation or not. A news story of this event will destroy a whole lot of innocent promotion by our legitimate nude recreation community.

It's like a bully that keeps stomping on your sand castle.

[Bob S.]

Naturist4Ever: "Quite unlikely it will kill them and quite to contrarary too since (quote) "[this resort was] once billed as the nation's top group-sex hotspot for swingers[/b]. (end quote). Essentially, if they get fewer of their regular customers (nudists) over the remaining 11 months they could always extend the 1mo to 2mo a.s.o. In fact, it seems that if the owner reverted back to the old scheme but with a few stricter rules on the swingers he would be sitting on a gold mine again. "

My point exactly. This scheme can kill the nudist park forever. If they reverted back to the swinger ideals, they would no longer be a naturist park, would they? The owners really need to decide who they are as an organization. They need to come up with a core list of values and stick with that. Right now, they are having an identity crisis and it will not help the naturist aspect of their identity to announce plans to host an adults-only month where rules about sex are temporarily eased.

Bob S.

[Pete Knight]

The main problem at the White Cockatoo is the proprietor Tony Fox, he has a reputation for being over bearing, he bullies some of his clientele and frightens them off, many have been known to leave early rather than stay on for the booked and paid for vacation.

I read a report from a Canadian couple who were somewhat annoyed by the man.

Pete Knight

[hommenudist]

This just conforms to the general textile's opinion and image of nudism, nudist, and/or naturists. That clothes are jettisoned not for freedom but for the sole opportunistic chance to commit solacious hedonistic acts of group sexual depravity.

I think it gives nudism/naturism a black eye.

[Qikdraw]

This just conforms to the general textile's opinion and image of nudism, nudist, and/or naturists. That clothes are jettisoned not for freedom but for the sole opportunistic chance to commit solacious hedonistic acts of group sexual depravity.

I think it gives nudism/naturism a black eye.

Then the same thing can be said of ANYTHING using nude bodies. Advertising, movies, plays, magazines, etc...

I think you guys are overreacting. If you do a search for nude resorts you pull up all kinds of swinger and gay places too. You have to sort through them to find the real nusist places already. So one more place doing this is not the travesty you guys are making it out to be.

When I was searching for a place for my wife & I to try a nude resort for the first time. I finally found this place and asked abouut adult resorts. Meaning resorts without kids in them. I was flamed by a few posters for trying to find sex resorts, an overreaction.

[nakedstudent]

I remember reading this... God forbid you stick to the supply demand curve and let the market come back. I just hate to see people screw up a good product to try to rationalize keeping unnecessary high prices.

[Liam C]

I think you guys are overreacting. If you do a search for nude resorts you pull up all kinds of swinger and gay places too.


You equate gay nudist clubs and resorts with swingers? How tiresome to keep hearing this kind of thing. :(

[Qikdraw]

You equate gay nudist clubs and resorts with swingers? How tiresome to keep hearing this kind of thing. :(

Uh... no I didn't. I said when you search for nudist resorts you also pull up swinger AND gay resorts, I did NOT say gay swinger resorts.

So please read what I wrote before jumping to conclusions.

[Liam C]

Uh... no I didn't. I said when you search for nudist resorts you also pull up swinger AND gay resorts, I did NOT say gay swinger resorts.

So please read what I wrote before jumping to conclusions.

On the contrary....you lumped swingers and gay resorts together therefore you are presenting them together as negatives. You imply that swinger and gay resorts are something you do not want when you search for nudist resorts. Please read what you write and responses to it before jumping to conclusions.

[Qikdraw]

On the contrary....you lumped swingers and gay resorts together therefore you are presenting them together as negatives. You imply that swinger and gay resorts are something you do not want when you search for nudist resorts. Please read what you write and responses to it before jumping to conclusions.

You are the one jumping to conclusions. I have never, ever, said swinger or gay resorts were negative. I simply said when searching for regular, plane jane, nudist resorts you also pull up swinger and gay resorts. There is nothing negative about that at all.

When my wife & I were looking for our first time that is what I found, then I came here to ask for an adults only, (meaning no kids) resort I got flamed for looking for sex resorts, until someone was kind enough to point me to a few resorts in Palm Springs that we have now been to a few times. (Terra Cotta and Living Waters)

Now you are trying to flame me for things I have not said, nor even implied, you're being over sensitive when there is nothing there to be sensitive about.

Have I explained myself enough or are you going to tell me the meaning of what I wrote some more?

[Pete Knight]

You are the one jumping to conclusions. I have never, ever, said swinger or gay resorts were negative. I simply said when searching for regular, plane jane, nudist resorts you also pull up swinger and gay resorts. There is nothing negative about that at all.

When my wife & I were looking for our first time that is what I found, then I came here to ask for an adults only, (meaning no kids) resort I got flamed for looking for sex resorts, until someone was kind enough to point me to a few resorts in Palm Springs that we have now been to a few times. (Terra Cotta and Living Waters)

Now you are trying to flame me for things I have not said, nor even implied, you're being over sensitive when there is nothing there to be sensitive about.

Have I explained myself enough or are you going to tell me the meaning of what I wrote some more?
I resent the use of the term 'plain Jane' I'll have you know that my lady friend is most certainly not plain, any more derogatory references to the lovely Jane and I shall make an official complaint, so there!

Pete Knight ('avin a larf)

[Liam C]

Have I explained myself enough or are you going to tell me the meaning of what I wrote some more?

No and no. You will never get it so there is no reason to continue this.

[Qikdraw]

No and no. You will never get it so there is no reason to continue this.

Good. Since I don't get how you can think to tell me the meaning of what I wrote and tell me it means something other than what I explained it was.

[Boreas]

On the contrary....you lumped swingers and gay resorts together therefore you are presenting them together as negatives. You imply that swinger and gay resorts are something you do not want when you search for nudist resorts. Please read what you write and responses to it before jumping to conclusions.

I read Qikdraw's post and saw the "AND" in it. I took it to mean that these are two types of resorts that he did not fit with. I did not read any judgement into his post. I guess knowing a little about Qikdraw and his posts helps.

[Liam C]

I guess knowing a little about Qikdraw and his posts helps.

I have read this forum for several years. I am familiar with the posts of most people who have posted here for a while. Slights and such are often not perceived by people who are not sensitized by constant and, perhaps unintentional, dismissal. Nevertheless, I shouldn't be uppity. :)

[JeepNude]

Just never take anything here personal or take offense.

A wise man said "Be slow to take offense, and quick to forgive".

If you're having a bad day and something as simple as words written on a forum will set you off, pass up the forum until you are over it.

[nudenwv]

i hope they don't set standards for other resorts to follow. keep us posted!