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bendigonudey
12-29-2008, 03:43 PM
Extreme right religious conservative politicians are trying to have nude AND topless bathing (by women) banned on New South Wales beaches.

One of Sydney's daily papers is running the story today.

Please contribute to the poll on the front page and comment on the story.


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/


Thanks,

Rob

OZJames
12-29-2008, 04:51 PM
There is altogether too much fuss made about semi nudity on beaches. People should be able to wear what they want on a beach. i.e. fully or partially covered or nude.

Australians are a bunch of fun loving, sun loving people who love to get (most) of their gear off at a beach. Wowsers should butt out and let the people do what they want..

Stu2630
12-30-2008, 03:46 AM
People should be able to wear what they want on a beach. i.e. fully or partially covered or nude.

I would re-phrase that. People should be able to wear what they want on certain beaches. I want to be able to continue to enjoy beaches that are guaranteed to be free from the sight of naked people.

Stu

Smiley
12-30-2008, 05:49 AM
Hmmm. .nekid people? Would you go back to the Victorian era and put skirts on chairs too just so's ya couldn't see the legs? Or maybe demand men and women be fully clothed when swimming just so's the sight of an ankle doesn't turn ya on? Give it up Stu. .we's born sans clothes. Or maybe you could put diapers on children whilst they're being born just so's ya couldn't see nudity?

Sheesh. . .whadda maroon:laugh:

Stu2630
12-30-2008, 06:03 AM
Smiley

The thread is about topless (and nude) bathing in NSW. I know that NSW has a vast coastline comprising mile-after-mile of beautiful beaches to be enjoyed by all. There is plenty of space to have nude beaches, topless beaches and 'family' beaches for people like me who aren't comfortable around nudity. That way, everyone, nude and prude alike, can enjoy the beaches.

Yes, I was born 'sans clothes', but I was also born unable to speak, walk or control my bowel movements. How we are born does not determine how we should behave throughout our lives.

Stu

walter05
12-30-2008, 06:42 AM
Stu;

I have mentioned before that I find the minimal speedo you wear to be much more sexualy suggestive and offensive than if you are nude.

Should we also have beaches where speedos are not allowed? A male could wear shorts or be nude but no speedo.

Or, should I live and let live. I think a live and let live attitude is better.

Waler

Yuppers
12-30-2008, 06:57 AM
There should be a congo line of topless women dancing through the offices of these men who find womens breasts as offensive. Who would have thought they'd see men say that a woman's breast is disgusting? Not me, that's for sure.

Nudist beaches should never be hidden behind bushes anyway for this only encourages perverts and promotes the idea that the body is something to hide.

Stu2630
12-30-2008, 07:29 AM
Walter


I have mentioned before that I find the minimal speedo you wear to be much more sexualy suggestive and offensive than if you are nude.

If you find Speedos to be offensive, then stay on nude-only beaches. I promise you I'll stay well away from your beaches in my Speedos.


I think a live and let live attitude is better.

I want to "live" in a nudity-free environment, so let's keep places for nudism and places for textilism. That means everyone is happy.

Yuppers


Nudist beaches should never be hidden behind bushes anyway for this only encourages perverts and promotes the idea that the body is something to hide.

For many of us, the naked body IS something we want to keep hidden away.

Stu

Boreas
12-30-2008, 08:01 AM
I liked that the no side of the poll was at 80% or so, saying that politicians ought to stay out of it, and woman ought to be able to decide for themselves if they wish to be topfree. Of course it is not the most scientific poll. It is fun none-the-less.

I also liked the backlash. Women are saying men ought to cover up theirs first! Especially those with "mancans"......a new word for me, but one that I get! :p

As for the issue re:sun cancer, of course more education is helpful. Legislation is not. It is always better to educate than to legislate. Sunscreen is also a good thing. It is my friend! :p

David77
12-30-2008, 09:38 AM
Excerpts from the Riverfront Times;

The mayor, (of Alton Illinois) who also serves as liquor commissioner and was once the city's police chief, says local laws also make it difficult to target topless barmaids. "The way the ordinance reads now is that it's only illegal for a woman to show her chest in a tavern," adds Sandidge. "If we start arresting women for this, it could be seen as discriminatory by the Supreme Court."

"So far as anyone knows, we don't have a problem with topless male bartenders in Alton," explains Schrempf. "But we have had some recent incidents with women exposing their breasts in taverns, and the police asked me to draft this change in the law. Apparently there have been some cases where federal courts have said that anti-nudity laws, only for women, would be constitutionally suspect."

Skinview
12-30-2008, 09:57 AM
I would re-phrase that. People should be able to wear what they want on certain beaches. I want to be able to continue to enjoy beaches that are guaranteed to be free from the sight of naked people.
There can be special clothing only beaches for Stu.

Stu2630
12-30-2008, 10:53 AM
Skinview


There can be special clothing only beaches for Stu.

There already are such beaches - lots of them You call them 'textile' beaches.

Stu

simonsebs
12-30-2008, 11:05 AM
Australians angry over bid to ban topless sunbathing (http://uk.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUKTRE4BT09020081230)

Here's an update to the story.

jon71
12-30-2008, 12:29 PM
It appears that there is only nominal support for such a ban. Good for the Aussies. They seem to have a lot of good sense about things. I always hate when nut-job losers like that Fred Nile get labeled as "Christian". They could have at least used a term like "evangelical" or "fundamentalist" so as not to lump normal Christians in with him.

Naturist4Ever
12-30-2008, 04:21 PM
>> nude beaches, topless beaches and 'family' beaches

You may not be able to grasp the idea, but all beaches are family beaches, including those where full nudity is allowed or common. Any other notion is a brainmalfunctioning, a common disorder in todays society.

>> Yes, I was born 'sans clothes' (..) How we are born does not determine how we should behave throughout our lives.

Some people where born with their genes mixed up, and unfortunately little changes that, a gene stays a gene. You even saw your mother naked, at the moment of birth. Heck, that wasn't too bad was it?

Pete Knight
12-30-2008, 04:30 PM
>> nude beaches, topless beaches and 'family' beaches

You may not be able to grasp the idea, but all beaches are family beaches, including those where full nudity is allowed or common. Any other notion is a brainmalfunctioning, a common disorder in todays society.

>> Yes, I was born 'sans clothes' (..) How we are born does not determine how we should behave throughout our lives.

Some people where born with their genes mixed up, and unfortunately little changes that, a gene stays a gene. You even saw your mother naked, at the moment of birth. Heck, that wasn't too bad was it?

Looks like Stu (AKA Brutus, AKA Kate Wolfe.) is once again getting up peoples noses, it wouldn't bother me but people reply to him and I then get to see the utter drivel he posts.

Pete Knight

bendigonudey
12-30-2008, 07:31 PM
My biggest problem with this plan is that it is would reverse a freedom that has been accepted for around 30 years.

Thank goodness it has stirred a lot of Aussies from our post-Christmas lethargy and resulted in almost universal condemnation of the plan from citizens, politicians (state, federal and local), and police.

Perhaps the result might be opposite to that intended, and there will be a public acceptance of the right to wear as much or as little as we like on the beach, and maybe even get a few more clothing optional beaches!

Australia's great - I'm so glad the ancestors made the decision to come over (or had it made for them!)

Stu - you should see what you've missed out on 'coz your great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather didn't pick a pocket or two!

Rob

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Corio Valley Nudist Club member Phil (last name withheld) said the conservative push by some NSW Government politicians to ban boobs-on-show at popular beaches would be difficult to police.
Summer fun photo gallery click here. (http://tools.geelongadvertiser.com.au/photo_gallery/photo_gallery_popup.php?category_id=5911)“I think it’s a few goodie-two-shoes trying to push their moral high ground onto everyone else,” he said.

“Topless bathing on open beaches is so common, people don’t give it a second thought.”
Surf Coast mayor Libby Mears said she was aghast at the NSW move and Cr Dean Webster said he had no qualms with those wanting that all-over tan.
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“I would hate to see us become so prudish . . . and go down the path where we need to stop topless bathing,” Cr Webster said.
Cr Rose Hodge said it would be a drastic measure to change the NSW law because topless bathing was so common throughout the world.
“Aren’t we blessed that we have a proclaimed nude beach at Point Impossible (in Torquay) and that’s the perfect spot if people want to take it a step further and go the full monty,” she said.
Cr Lindsay Schroeter said topless bathing was natural and he didn’t support a compulsory cover-up law.
Torquay police Sergeant Brian McKiterick said flashing breasts on the beach was not an offence and he hadn’t received any complaints.
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Sanslines
12-31-2008, 06:51 AM
There is altogether too much fuss made about semi nudity on beaches. People should be able to wear what they want on a beach. i.e. fully or partially covered or nude.

Australians are a bunch of fun loving, sun loving people who love to get (most) of their gear off at a beach. Wowsers should butt out and let the people do what they want..


I am certain that you have been to Manly Beach many times and have also noticed the utter absurdity of a very peaceful beach full of topfree women versus the endless groups of Japanese tourists who come to the beach with their cameras and video recorders and are dressed in full suit and tie (men) and dresses (women).

Oz may be changing faster then many realize, for Oz has (more or less) an open door immigration policy for Indonesians and others from Islamic faiths (which generally do not tolerate nudity) and a (more or less) closed door immigration policy for 'damn' Yanks and 'whinging' Poms.

As an aside:


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The former New York Times journalist adds: 'In Britain, the happy are few and suspect. For the British, happiness is a transatlantic import.
And by transatlantic, they mean American. And by American they
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<TABLE borderColor=#0000ff cellPadding=2 width="60%" border=2><TBODY><TR><TD>"Brits Flee " scream the media headlines.As usual they fail to tell the whole story such as how many return(lots),how many discover for each plus there is a minus,how many struggle more than they did in the UK and how many seem genuinly shocked that taxes and crime exist in all countries.

The £pound has been valued at record highs in recent years meaning cost of living overseas seems cheaper than ever.British people can sell their over valued average/small houses and buy cheaper & larger properties in the sun and still have money left over.People in USA,Canada, Australia,NZ etc simply don't have this easy option.Despite this many of them still choose to emigrate-many to Britain.

If you are retiring on a UK pension or living overseas off the proceeds of your over valued UK house then life might seem easy,
but when people earn and spend the same as the
locals the realisation often sinks in that life in Britain was really not that bad.

Like all countries Britain has its problems-mostly caused by incompetent government and an often idiotic legal profession. These faults need to be resolved yet some people criticise the UK for stupid reasons.Proof? : <HR>1.Those who say they are fed up with crime - and move to
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Stu2630
12-31-2008, 09:26 AM
Re Pete Knight's comment. One of my names is Brutus (as per my birth certificate) and I use that name on sites where I know there are other people called Stu. I have never used the name "Kate Wolfe", but I did use an email address set up in that name which wasn't being used - but signed myself as "Brutus", so there was no intent to deceive anyone. Of course, Pete knows this very well but is "spinning" the story because he resents my presence here. Now can we return to the topic in the thread?

bendigonudey


Stu - you should see what you've missed out on 'coz your great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather didn't pick a pocket or two!

I'll be honest and tell you that Oz doesn't appeal to me. I wouldn't like it there and I don't think Australians would take to me. Don't misunderstand me - I'm sure there are some places of outstanding beauty and I have met some lovely people from down under, but from what I know of the country, it's most definitely not my cup of tea.

Sanslines

I think Britain is pretty awful. Had it not been for the dire economic situation we are in, I would have emigrated to Denmark last July. Another country I love is Greenland, but that's a very difficult country to emigrate to permanently.

Stu

simonsebs
01-01-2009, 10:57 AM
Nile's topless ban fails to take off (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/30/2456656.htm)

Well so much for that.;)

jon71
01-01-2009, 12:40 PM
It's good to see common sense prevail.

speedoman
01-01-2009, 01:12 PM
I have been to Manly beach and I see no danger in those that want to be topless. They are enjoying the sun and getting a deep tan. The waters are so warm and clean and I am looking forward to being with family once again. Keep your sense of humor and we will always enjoy going to the beach as well and seeking clothing optional close to Manly. It is sure nice to remain without clothes and enjoy nature at its best.

walter05
01-02-2009, 06:43 AM
When I was in my 20s, I learned that Ponte Vedra Beach, between Jacksoville Beach and St. Augustine in Florida has a stretch with a lot of foreigners.

It was common for all women to be topless.

At first, we thought it would be exciting, and a group of friends from school and I went down. We loved seeing all of the topless women.

We went three times and were then bored with it.

100 years ago, if a man were topless at Tybee Island, Georgia, he would be arrested for indecent exposure also.

I think if it were to be allowed, we would grow accustomed and bored with it.