Germany Naked - Excellent Website

[zulu]

I have just bdiscovered the most wonderful website , waht an engagig project that enables peope to see that with or without clothyes we are all the same.
Just click on each image and the clothes slowly dissolve.

http://www.naked-people.de/024.html

Enjoy.
Cheers,
Zulu aka Mrbee

[Pumpkinpie]

Cool website just wish I had a button I can press an remove my clothes like that thank you for sharing.

[Naturist Zoar]

The simple wonders of technology never cease to amaze me.

[enertronik]

That's a crazy site; very cool the way it's done. We're all just naked underneath our clothes :laugh:

[shaneone]

That is so cool, me next :)

[richinoregon]

Here is an interesting exercise to do while going through that site. When you view the clothed image think what the clothes say to you: His/hers socio-economic status, reliability, trustworthiness, etc. Then do the same viewing the naked image. For me there is a tremendous difference-clothes send a big message.

And there are some who need to change their glasses-they send messages too.

[DJ Leo]

I like how the site interacts with the click of the mouse. All the people on the site look really good, but I personally like the all dressed in Gods clothes, they seem more natural to me that way. :)

[Arnabas]

Very cool site. I am curious about the story behind it-- how it came to be, the intention of it all. I'd volunteer for it if they needed more people from all over the world.

[DenitaLC]

I really enjoyed that site......thank you for the link. It just goes to show how clothes don't always flatter.
:)

[jhawk]

Everyone looked much more natural nude. It is also interesting that all of the models were "smooth". Is this more of a european experience or just chance?

[bonnie dundee]

thanks for the link it was really good!!
i wish life was like that a push of a button and folks hang ups would all fade away!!

"love life as your a long time dead"

[berkeleybee]

It is a nice site and it does show how judge people by what they are wearing.

However, there are there areas where the choice of participants gives me pause. First there are no older people, 70 year old bodies are just as acceptable as 30 year old bodies. Second most people not as lean as the people on the site; note how many have hobbies of dancing or modeling. Lastly, they are all white. Even in Germany there are people from most ethnic groups in the world. If the point of the project is to show that without clothes we are ALL the same, then they need to seriously reconsider who ALL of us are.

[Agde]

Great site! Very stylish and to the point. Clothes, no clothes, so what!

We should do this for ClothesFree! Maybe one of the tech admins could check with Sebastian Kempa about getting the software?

Or at least find out how we could participate in the project as is? We could put "ClothesFree [username]" under "hobby" and find each other! This might even work well for our "discreet" American ClothesFree contingent -- I mean, how depraved would your neighbors or colleagues have to be to figure out how to find you on a German-language website?! :) Meantime, I bet we could add a lot of diversity to Naked-People.

[Pete Knight]

And what right would anyone have to be shocked or offended, if they have to take a positive step to reveal the naked body they are the ones causing the offence.

I would imagine it only requires two photo's with a fade from the clothed photo to the naked one to achieve that effect. Something that is available in all good photo manipulation software.

Brilliant idea Agde, I'm up for it.

Pete Knight

[NudonyII]

Interesting little exercise. It's always interesting to note the initial reaction when seeing the person dressed, and the subsequent reaction when seeing the person nude - which is usually along the lines of "Yes! Much better!" It reminds me of this anecdote at the resort, where a woman entered the pool area, with her two nude sons, wearing what appeared to be house shoes, an oversized sundress that looked like she had just cut a whole in some drapes and thrown it over herself. She was also disheveled; and I immediately thought: "Big mess" (and a couple of other terms that I'll keep to myself). When she kicked off her shoes and tossed off her sundress; I was stunned: underneath the homemade apparatus was a beautiful, radiant woman. Her textile appearance had deceived me; as it often does.

jhawk, yes it would seem that smoothness in Europe these days is more the rule than the exception.

berkeleybee, Europe has a much smaller obesity rate; I think the size spectrum is factually represented considering the location. But I do agree that adding a few people over 60, and under 18 (I know, I know...not possible) and a few minorities would have made this exercise a little more well rounded.

[Arnabas]

Agde, Pete,

If something like this gets rolling here, or if anyone gets in touch with the site and they want volunteers, count me in.

[Running Bear]

...Brilliant idea Agde, I'm up for it.
Pete Knight
Hold on Pete, we do want people to click to dissolve their clothes not put people off :-)
General comment:
There are mugs we buy which have a bikini clad lady on. When hot water goes in the cup the bikini disappears. Same idea.
I like this idea for publicity. Perhaps it should be followed up. Because the click is required this cannot be seen as obscene since the person does not have to click.

[toadfish327]

I have just bdiscovered the most wonderful website , waht an engagig project that enables peope to see that with or without clothyes we are all the same.
Just click on each image and the clothes slowly dissolve.

http://www.naked-people.de/024.html

Enjoy.
Cheers,
Zulu aka Mrbee

The site must have been removed, the link does not work for me. Saw this at nudiarist's site also.

[Pete Knight]

The site must have been removed, the link does not work for me. Saw this at nudiarist's site also.
I imagine they've had quite a few hits over the last few days, maybe they exceeded their bandwidth and haven't coughed up the extra money yet.

The Naked Munro's had to take their web site down because of the increased traffic following the publication of the address in tacky UK tabloid.

Pete Knight

[bgnaked]

I've seen this site before -- via Craigslist... he was recruiting women for a New York shoot (or something) of this same genre.

I'm a web-developer and would be happy to set this up, and also to participate. Just let me know the details guys!

[lester]

It is now a broken link.

[Tom1991]

i dosent work :'(

[Winrite]

The link just worked for me.

[tiger79]

The link just worked for me.And for me. Nice site!

[Running Bear]

The site is now back up and running so those who missed out first time round hurry and view it before it goes down again :-)

[Lord Drakkus]

Let's all hurry and check it out! See if maybe we're the ones who broke it. :laugh:

I agree with what somebody said above, they look much better without their clothes. I've never seen a better example of how unflattering clothing can be.

[DJ Leo]

The site must have been removed, the link does not work for me. Saw this at nudiarist's site also.

Just went to the site in question and it is working fine for me! ;)

[pinkycook]

Wow, nice site..I would like to learn on how did they made that nude pic..;)

[Pete Knight]

Wow, nice site..I would like to learn on how did they made that nude pic..;)
Easy peasy, take two photos in the same pose and aspect, one clothed, one naked, then in your photo manipulation software you create a slide show with fade from one photo to the other.

Simples!

Pete Knight

[BlobbyBob]

Easy peasy, take two photos in the same pose and aspect, one clothed, one naked, then in your photo manipulation software you create a slide show with fade from one photo to the other.

Simples!

Pete Knight
The difficult part is holding the same pose between the nude and the clothed shots actually. I did one myself to test, and had to warp the clothed image in places to make it fit properly. I then did the fade with Flash (ironically) to make it interactive.

[Pete Knight]

The difficult part is holding the same pose between the nude and the clothed shots actually. I did one myself to test, and had to warp the clothed image in places to make it fit properly. I then did the fade with Flash (ironically) to make it interactive.

Yes I imagine there is some sort of jig that attaches to certain parts of the body to keep it in exactly the same position, much the same as early photographers used in the old days when exposure times were quite lengthy for the old glass plates.

Of course the photographer would also have been the continuity person, something you would have found difficult as both subject and photographer.

Pete Knight

[SaltNPepper]

I saw something like this before. It's quite interesting to note the before and after impressions of the people. I for one would happily volunteer for this sort of thing.

Salt

[Naturist Mark]

Yes I imagine there is some sort of jig that attaches to certain parts of the body to keep it in exactly the same position, much the same as early photographers used in the old days when exposure times were quite lengthy for the old glass plates.

Of course the photographer would also have been the continuity person, something you would have found difficult as both subject and photographer.

Pete Knight

No jig needed, just photoshop. Note that the bare extremities and heads exactly match - not possible by posing alone.

for example: http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/BlueHorde/AnimatedSuperObama.gif

[Pete Knight]

No jig needed, just photoshop. Note that the bare extremities and heads exactly match - not possible by posing alone.

for example: http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/BlueHorde/AnimatedSuperObama.gif

True, but I was thinking about the subject in relation to the background, and the aspect of both photos needing to be identical in order to get a smooth transition. In your example there is only one photo of the subject (Don't I know him from somewhere?) and an overlay from another source, so the head and background are from the same photo in both phases of the transition.

If you can decipher that, would you explain it to me!

Pete Knight

[Naturist Mark]

If you can decipher that, would you explain it to me!

Pete Knight

I understand, but you are making it more difficult than it needs to be.

Take two photos, clothed and nude, same background or not (in fact it would be easier if the clothed background is a solid contrasting color, or approximately the same color as the main background). Use the nude photo as your base layer. Use the clothed photo as an overlay. Completely remove the background from the clothed layer. Now remove the head and all exposed flesh from the clothed layer - leave only the clothes.

If the poses were close enough, you now have a clothed photo with head and exposed flesh that perfectly matches the nude photo.

If the poses were a little bit off, no problem. You can distort the clothes layer with a warping grid to make it perfectly fit over the underlying nude photo.

Now you can save two perfectly registering photos. You can use a variety of animation tools to fade or morph from one image to the other.

http://www.clothesfreeforum.com/picture.php?albumid=270&pictureid=2283http://tinyurl.com/c49n9p

[1Ace]

Link is down.

[Ren]

The link as listed is down, but if you go to the main page, it works. Just remove the extraneous stuff at the end.

2 hours later - tried my own advice and that's not even working now...

[Pete Knight]

The link as listed is down, but if you go to the main page, it works. Just remove the extraneous stuff at the end.

2 hours later - tried my own advice and that's not even working now...
Bandwidth problems again, with all the hits the site has been getting since the link was posted here and several other naturists sites. I expect the site owner is getting a little peeved at the extra costs involved.

Pete Knight

[Pete Knight]

I understand, but you are making it more difficult than it needs to be.

Take two photos, clothed and nude, same background or not (in fact it would be easier if the clothed background is a solid contrasting color, or approximately the same color as the main background). Use the nude photo as your base layer. Use the clothed photo as an overlay. Completely remove the background from the clothed layer. Now remove the head and all exposed flesh from the clothed layer - leave only the clothes.

If the poses were close enough, you now have a clothed photo with head and exposed flesh that perfectly matches the nude photo.

If the poses were a little bit off, no problem. You can distort the clothes layer with a warping grid to make it perfectly fit over the underlying nude photo.

Now you can save two perfectly registering photos. You can use a variety of animation tools to fade or morph from one image to the other.



As simple as A.B.3eh! Thanks for explaining that, I hadn't thought about separating clothes and morphing them where required, although I'm pretty sure the German site uses full person, I recall the hair changing noticeably on one when her hat was removed.

So it looks as though we could do our own if we wished

[walter05]

You are correct on the technique.

Unfortunately, this is the way a lot of pedophiles and crooks are able to blackmail teens. This can lead to sexual abuse, rape, and simple theft of parents' account numbers, etc.

I would hope that a teen who is less afraid to be seen nude would be able to resist the blackmail better.

[Naturist Mark]

You are correct on the technique.

Unfortunately, this is the way a lot of pedophiles and crooks are able to blackmail teens. This can lead to sexual abuse, rape, and simple theft of parents' account numbers, etc.

I would hope that a teen who is less afraid to be seen nude would be able to resist the blackmail better.

Walter ... I'm not quite sure what the German photographer's site and the technique he used has to do with blackmailing teens. Are you posting in the right thread?

[Pete Knight]

Walter ... I'm not quite sure what the German photographer's site and the technique he used has to do with blackmailing teens. Are you posting in the right thread?
Oh I'm glad it's not just me, I thought perhaps I'd missed something somewhere!
:surprised:

Pete Knight

[walter05]

Mark;

You posted a technique for midification of the pictures. One can look clothed or nude with a relatively small change.

I was commenting one of the uses of the technique you were using.

I don't mean to imply that you or the German site are involved in criminal activity.

However, the ease with which you demonstrated the technique provided a reminder for how the tehnique could be used to cause harm.

I was then commenting how easy it would be to show any of us as clothed or naked with this technique. If someone were terrified of being shown naked, this individual could easily be extorted.

My comment was on your technique as posted in this thread.

[Pete Knight]

Mark;

You posted a technique for midification of the pictures. One can look clothed or nude with a relatively small change.

I was commenting one of the uses of the technique you were using.

I don't mean to imply that you or the German site are involved in criminal activity.

However, the ease with which you demonstrated the technique provided a reminder for how the tehnique could be used to cause harm.

I was then commenting how easy it would be to show any of us as clothed or naked with this technique. If someone were terrified of being shown naked, this individual could easily be extorted.

My comment was on your technique as posted in this thread.

I'm still confused, in Mark's demonstration he ADDED clothes to an already naked couple, unless of course you're suggesting that being clothed is shameful.

Pete Knight

[walter05]

The technique he used added clothes.

The same technique is used to remove clothes.

A teen who has a nude picture circulating will do a lot to prevent embarrassment.

[Pete Knight]

The same technique is used to remove clothes.



I'm probably being extremely thick, so you'll have to explain to me how you can remove clothes from a picture; Like this one for instance.

Sorry, picture removed by poster.

Go on then, take my clothes off, and reveal MY body.

Pete Knight

[nudenwv]

great website! thanks for sharing that with us.

[bgnaked]

The difficult part is holding the same pose between the nude and the clothed shots actually. I did one myself to test, and had to warp the clothed image in places to make it fit properly. I then did the fade with Flash (ironically) to make it interactive.

You're doing it wrong :D
The easiest way is to not move the camera... have it on a tripod with it hooked-up to a computer. Take the nude photo first... when you're satisfied with it, ask the person to get dressed.

After the person gets dressed, you can have them move around and live-match the photos together. (take a photo, ask them to move, take another, all while they're standing still) Once you have a good "match" of a dressed photo, you're done! Facial expression doesn't matter too much because that can be photoshopped from one to the other if it doesn't match, I guess.

I've told you guys already, I've worked on tons of creative projects throughout my web-development experiences and would be more than happy to set something like this up AND to participate. It's not difficult but it involves backwards-thinking and some experience with what's possible and how things work.

[BlobbyBob]

I did use a tripod, but I only have myself as model and photographer. I took a clothed shot and then stripped for the nude shot; trying to keep note of the position of my feet, and trying to keep my arms at the same angle again too. I had to warp the clothed image slightly in Photoshop to make it fit over my nude image. Once I had done that it worked well, just that it took a bit of work.

[richinoregon]

Now you can save two perfectly registering photos. You can use a variety of animation tools to fade or morph from one image to the other.


I just did a quick of the webmasters code. He is using flash to do the animation.

[richinoregon]

The technique he used added clothes.

The same technique is used to remove clothes.

A teen who has a nude picture circulating will do a lot to prevent embarrassment.

For those who are confused what Walter is talking about, it is a technique that has actually been around for a long time, it's just a lot easier and a lot more convincing since Photoshop. You take a clothed photo of someone, take a nude photo of someone of the same body build making sure that the lighting is the same, then with Photoshop you paste the head and hands from the clothed picture to the nude picture.

I have seen this technique used against Sarah Palin.

As blackmail it is only effective if the victim believes that there are actually naked pictures of her/himself floating around. In the case of Sarah Palin, everyone who knew her knew that it was just a 'joke' by someone who wasn't of her political persuasion.

[Pete Knight]

For those who are confused what Walter is talking about, it is a technique that has actually been around for a long time, it's just a lot easier and a lot more convincing since Photoshop. You take a clothed photo of someone, take a nude photo of someone of the same body build making sure that the lighting is the same, then with Photoshop you paste the head and hands from the clothed picture to the nude picture.

I have seen this technique used against Sarah Palin.

As blackmail it is only effective if the victim believes that there are actually naked pictures of her/himself floating around. In the case of Sarah Palin, everyone who knew her knew that it was just a 'joke' by someone who wasn't of her political persuasion.

Exactly!

I've seen a photoshopped picture of Hilary Clinton, it appeared to conform that she had the balls to stand for president.

Pete Knight

[Naturist Mark]

I just did a quick of the webmasters code. He is using flash to do the animation.

Yes, I am aware of that. I could have used Flash also for my example, but I don't run Clothesfreeforum, nor do I have any Flash code installed on its servers. I might have used embedded code run from some other site's code, but it was easiest to just make the image as an animated GIF since that will display in almost any browser without any additional code required.

It would have been nice to use Flash since the files size would have been smaller, and I could have included intractability like the naked-people site does.

[matthew_starsberg]

Everyone looked much more natural nude. It is also interesting that all of the models were "smooth". Is this more of a european experience or just chance?


first off, i love this website! someone brought it to my attention a few weeks ago, and i'm really excited that all my clothesfree friends can see it too. in reference to the above quote, i have a feeling it is because the photos (i believe) are german... although a few of the models are a bit hairy. i have been trying to figure out if the clothes were digitally added to the models, or if it's the old-fashioned changing-in-and-out-of-clothes trick--there is just so little movement between pics, i find it hard to believe that a human being could be in the exact same position twice

[Naturist Mark]

Everyone looked much more natural nude. It is also interesting that all of the models were "smooth". Is this more of a european experience or just chance?
first off, i love this website! someone brought it to my attention a few weeks ago, and i'm really excited that all my clothesfree friends can see it too. in reference to the above quote, i have a feeling it is because the photos (i believe) are german... although a few of the models are a bit hairy. i have been trying to figure out if the clothes were digitally added to the models, or if it's the old-fashioned changing-in-and-out-of-clothes trick--there is just so little movement between pics, i find it hard to believe that a human being could be in the exact same position twice

It isn't just a Euro or German thing - "smoothy" is almost universal now among American women - and not just nudists, there is hardly a pubic hair to be found among the under 25 crowd - and a good deal of the rest too. Close to half of the guys do the same - at least in my corner of the nudist world.

The photos on www.naked-people.de are of nude people with their clothes being superimposed over them.

How can I tell?

Because wearing clothes will compress skin at certain places - particularly belt lines and collars. There is no indention at these points on the "clothed" photos - a giveaway that the image of the clothing was superimposed over the nude image, and digitally manipulated to perfectly cover over it.

example: http://www.s226052368.online.de/naked-people/_swf/008.swf

-Mark

[matthew_starsberg]

fair enough...and thanks for the info.
personally, i enjoy my...hair. i have shaved, but i like my pubes.

[walter05]

A fairly common scenario that law enforcement gets involved in is as follows:

An apparant teen girl contacts another teen girl from her school. They start chatting on face book or some other web networking site.

Then the one contacting the other sends a picture of a teen girl with a necklace.

The other girl sends a similar picture.

The first girl sends a picture of a photo shopped naked flat girl's chest with the necklace of the second one and the second one's face to the second one. She may even say a mutual friend sent it.

The first girl will offer to prove the other friend wrong. She will send a picture of what is supposed to be herself topless to the second girl. This is to show that she can be trusted.

Then the second girl will send the topless picture to help.

Finally, the first girl will offer to meet the second girl at a mall. When they meet, the first girl turns out to be a middle aged man. He claims to be the first girl's father and he is taking the second girl to see the first girl.

When they have driven for a while, he takes her somewhere and rapes her. He then threatens her and blackmails her.

For weeks, he regularly contacts her, picks her up, and has sex with her.

Finally when she can't take it any more, she kills herself. That is when law enforcement gets involved. It starts with an autopsy.

Substitute a high school boy for a girl and law enforcement gets involved when he kills himself. It starts with an autopsy.

Mark is a good man. However, a modified version of this makes kids vulnerable.

I was saying that if high school boys regularly change and shower with other high school boys. In addition, if high school girls regularly change and shower with other high school girls, then they would be used to their own and each other's nudity.

If a pervert tried to blackmail them with the semi-nude or nude photos, I think they would be less vulnerable.

In the modern inernet photoshop world, the growing fear that young people have of being seen nude makes them too vulnerable.

Walter

[richinoregon]

Yes, I am aware of that. I could have used Flash also for my example, but I don't run Clothesfreeforum, nor do I have any Flash code installed on its servers. I might have used embedded code run from some other site's code, but it was easiest to just make the image as an animated GIF since that will display in almost any browser without any additional code required.


I was under the impression that GIFs would only do 256 colors. That GIF looks a lot better than 256 colors.

[richinoregon]

In the modern inernet photoshop world, the growing fear that young people have of being seen nude makes them too vulnerable.

Walter

Amen to that!

[Naturist Mark]

I was under the impression that GIFs would only do 256 colors. That GIF looks a lot better than 256 colors.

Blow it up and you'll see how bad the resolution really is. But 256 colors with an adaptive palette can look pretty good on screen. Ironically that GIF is much larger (and lousier looking) than the much higher resolution full color Flash files on the naked-people site. But GIF is easy to use and display.

[bgnaked]

Guys what do you think of this that I made?
http://i.amhuman.me/transitions/

[windowphobe]

Works for me: there are times when I want to get out of those darn clothes just that fast. :)

[Yuppers]

My webserver can't find the page. Says, object can't be found.

I reckon I'll lose all contact with naturist groups on the internet soon with our Chinese Communist wannabe Prime Mincer, Kevin Xinghau Rudd turning us into a nation of leg swinging commies.

[Naturist Mark]

My webserver can't find the page. Says, object can't be found.

I reckon I'll lose all contact with naturist groups on the internet soon with our Chinese Communist wannabe Prime Mincer, Kevin Xinghau Rudd turning us into a nation of leg swinging commies.

Bummer, so how aggressively is the Australian government going about acquiring ownership of all the corporations?

[bgnaked]

Service does seem to be a bit spotty on this site. I wonder if he or she is hosting it from his/her home computer?

[maxnude]

Guys what do you think of this that I made?
http://i.amhuman.me/transitions/

Well it looks like you brought yourself "out of the closet" in your transition!

Pretty neat transition effect - What program did you use to do that?

:applause:

[Yuppers]

Bummer, so how aggressively is the Australian government going about acquiring ownership of all the corporations?

Well, Rudd is doing all he can to let China own Australia while doing everything to stop us from having freedom of speech and dissent. Even anti-abortion sites are finding themselves being under the fascist hammer.

[bgnaked]

Well it looks like you brought yourself "out of the closet" in your transition!

Pretty neat transition effect - What program did you use to do that?

:applause:

It's just simple HTML with a bit of Javascript. I work with this stuff a lot.
If you guys want to participate on the site let me know but it seems like nobody else wants to commit!

[bgnaked]

We had a few new pictures uploaded today! how is this? http://i.amhuman.me/transitions/

[Nude_not_rude]

I like the German site. Got me thinking about prejudices and conditioned stereotpyes. Good site.

Interesting pics bg. I like that you don't try to make the nude exactly the same as the clothed, helps create a kind of story. Nice work.

[Arnabas]

bgnaked, that's pretty cool. You mention in a previous post that you'd be willing to set something up if people were interested. Well, if you need volunteers, I'm in. I'm not the greatest photographer, so I might not be able to send great pics, but I'd be willing to participate.

[Journeyman]

We had a few new pictures uploaded today! how is this? http://i.amhuman.me/transitions/

I like your shots - well composed, sharp, good models - and the nude ones remind us of what we're doing here on these CF Forums in the first place! Thanks for posting & keep up the good work.
J'man

[bgnaked]

bgnaked, that's pretty cool. You mention in a previous post that you'd be willing to set something up if people were interested. Well, if you need volunteers, I'm in. I'm not the greatest photographer, so I might not be able to send great pics, but I'd be willing to participate.

Sure, just try your best to take some cool shots that are interesting. I can maybe fix them up in photoshop, but don't move the camera at all if you can help it.

[Arnabas]

bgnaked, your site seems to be gone. Is it down, or is it just me?

[Naturist Mark]

bgnaked, your site seems to be gone. Is it down, or is it just me?

It was probably taken down by GoDaddy - which doesn't like any nudity on the sites they sell hosting for - unless they are porn paysites.

[bgnaked]

It was probably taken down by GoDaddy - which doesn't like any nudity on the sites they sell hosting for - unless they are porn paysites.

I got rid of it because I decided to do something else. stay tuned

[Naturist Mark]

I got rid of it because I decided to do something else. stay tuned

Good to hear. I have heard so many stories about GoDaddy making arbitrary decisions to block people's domains that it looked like it could be another case of that. Usually the site owner never even knows why they did it, certainly not beforehand.

[bgnaked]

Good to hear. I have heard so many stories about GoDaddy making arbitrary decisions to block people's domains that it looked like it could be another case of that. Usually the site owner never even knows why they did it, certainly not beforehand.

hah I don't use godaddy for hosting! they suck!