Ban NASCAR Now!

[Sanslines]

Time to start another fiery topic!

Should NASCAR Be Banned?


http://www.bannascarnow.com/images/nascar_polar_bear.jpg<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P>There are some really great, competitive, even brilliant sports out there, but there are those other kinds, the ones that burn through dinosaur fuel, scream in places where it’s supposed to be quiet, and throw lead and CFCs (greenhouse gases) into the air without regard, clear cut miles of forest to build tracks and create countless hundreds of tons of garbage for the environment to absorb as if all they have to look forward to is some man with a flag that has black and white checkers on it. <O:P></O:P>
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The world we live in is not as black and white as that flag, and the cars we drive are nothing like theirs. Why should the law we obey be so different? <O:P></O:P>
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Here’s a rundown of just a few of the hundreds of problems with NASCAR: <O:P></O:P>
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Gasoline Waste

They burn way more than they should, and this is all at a time when fuel costs are at record highs with no sign of easing back down, and supplies show no immediate signs of increasing to match global demand. The fuel crisis is very real and this waste is only making things worse. Figure too the average NASCAR fan drives the biggest V8 they can find to get to the events (couldn’t be caught dead in an economical commuter!) and that factor just compounds the problem. <O:P></O:P>
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Noise Pollution

These race cars employ little or no muffling, causing noise pollution that negatively impacts people and animals alike, causing serious, often permanent damage. <O:P></O:P>
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Lead/Heavy Metal Waste

The form of gas used in these cars is a leaded variety (one of the last remaining on the whole planet). Lead, even in small quantities, can cause serious developmental and neurological problems in humans, not to mention the less studied impact it surely has on animals and plants. <O:P></O:P>
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CFCs Greenhouse Gases

Exhaust also contains carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, methane, unburnt fuel and many other harmful substances that directly cause greenhouse warming and environmental destruction. <O:P></O:P>
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Spilling of Hazardous Liquids

The occurrence of spilt oil and other toxic chemicals is almost constant in the pits. Even higher is the instance of fluids “properly disposed” that end up in landfills or rainwater runoff drains. Harsh oils and antifreeze destroy plant and animal life and can linger in soil for hundreds, if not thousands or even many millions of years. <O:P></O:P>
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Burning Rubber

The macho display of horsepower common in all racing classes of “burning rubber” takes oxidized petroleum, converts it to a thick, smoky, airborne mass and scatters it unto the winds. Once the tire is worn even a little bit, it goes in the trash. If you know the smell of burning rubber it is only because you have been forced to breath in one of the most deadly smokes there is, and if you’ve ever seen a pile of tires left for useless (even if it wasn’t on fire) you know these things happen every day, even if only 40% of the tire’s mass has been spent. <O:P></O:P>
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Burning of Plastic and Carbon Fiber in Crashes

Where there’s smoke in corner three, there’s fire, and it’s a fire that burns fuel, oil, coolant, plastic, tires, fireproof jumpsuit, and carbon fiber parts, all of which make for a spewing plume of acrid poison into the sky. We breathe that, and so do all the other animals of this earth, none of which enjoy NASCAR. <O:P></O:P>
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Asbestos Brake Pads

The most effective substance for brake pads is asbestos, due to its ability to resist bursting into flames under even the most demanding stops. When you stomp the brakes, though, your “stock” car kicks up asbestos dust, and that ends up in lungs of fans, passersby, emergency crews that don’t even like NASCAR, and people who just happen to live on the planet better known as earth. Asbestos causes rare cancers like mesothelioma, and NASCAR doesn’t cure it. <O:P></O:P>
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Garbage Creation with No Recycling

6.7 million fan-billies attend Nextel Cup events each year, and they drink beer. It doesn’t come in washable glass mugs, it comes in non-recyclable plastic cups and (unrecycled) recyclable plastic bottles, and aluminum cans THAT END UP IN THE TRASH! If you figure even only one six-pack per attendee, and many drink much more than that, it equals 40 billion pieces of garbage, and we haven’t even talked about the hotdog wrappers, condiment packets and hundred square miles of paper napkins. <O:P></O:P>
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If each fan drinks only one case of beer per event, at one ounce of trash per beer, that’s still 160billion pieces of garbage, 10billion pounds of garbage, 5,000 tons of garbage per year, 13,698 tons per day, 570 tons per hour, or 9.51 tons of garbage created every second of every day, 365 days a year, and just because people go see NASCAR. <O:P></O:P>
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Taxpayer and Corporate Money Drain

The cost of even a single NASCAR event is a lot, but that cost doesn’t cover all the cars, crews and venues. The real brunt of the cost is passed on to taxpayers who subsidize the construction and maintenance of these grand tracks. The tax payers often get stuck with the cost of providing sufficient police presence to make it safe. Then you’ve got the corporations who pay top dollar to slather their logos across the hoods and panels of the cars when they could be putting that money to legitimate social causes, which they just can’t do so long as such luxurious advertising opportunities remain available. <O:P></O:P>
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Destruction of Ecosphere, Habitat, Habisphere and Ecotat

Tracks are built by clear-cutting vast tracks of virgin land, often wetlands that would normally be protected, while destroying countless bird nests, beaver dams, fox holes, sasquatch dens, briar patches and any hope of life any of these woodland creatures could have had. It would be like if Japanese tourists built a karaoke bar over your trailer park and didn’t give you any notice, and then poured lead in your water supply, and burnt rubber, and poured antifreeze into your aboveground swimming pool. Is this starting to sink in? <O:P></O:P>
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Non-Green Construction

There is NOT ONE SINGLE race track, not even any of the newer ones, that have been built to green standards with environmentally conscientious materials. Not only do these buildings produce greenhouse gases as they age, but the materials used wasted energy, may have funded tyrannical governments in Asia, Africa, South America and the Middle East, and didn’t give the first rip as to how they’d be decommissioned in the future. What world am I living in where this is somehow acceptable? <O:P></O:P>
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Tracks Are Rarely Used

Even though tracks cost tens of millions, sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars to build, they rarely get used more than a day or two out of any given week, and even then only during just a few months out of the year. Compare this with a city park which is environmentally friendly, carbon beneficial, and is used every single day of the year by citizens of all walks of life, not just “race car fans”. <O:P></O:P>
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NASCAR Basically Caused 9/11

9/11 didn’t have anything to do with America supporting Israel, unless you read those ten thousand articles in the Lexis-Nexis. The president said it was because those people hate freedom, and I believe him, because he’s my president. We also have a pretty deathly serious addiction to oil, which is also a factor, since God had the audacity to put all of our oil underneath their countries. <O:P></O:P>
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Forget that. What is more American and oil-centric than watching an Earnhardt take the checkered flag? Perhaps maybe the runaway consumption of oil, the brash machismo of the American racecar styled ego, and the constant thanking of Jesus Christ. Maybe some of those are also some of the things that Muslims hate about us, or how we treat them, or how we act in their country, but it’s probably the freedom-hating thing. Still, those guys have our oil, and a trillion out the door, we know they ain’t giving it back, not even with a fight. These are not coincidences. <O:P></O:P>
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NASCAR Related Drunk & Reckless Driving

It has been shown beyond any suspicion of reasonable doubt that the times before and after every NASCAR event, there is a disproportionately high number of alcohol related arrests, accidents and vehicle deaths. NASCAR sells a lot of beer and it’s no surprise that these same drivers were the ones doing all the drinking at the stadia. <O:P></O:P>
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Population Boom / Domestic Violence Boon

It’s already been statistically verified that a favorite driver winning a race leads to an increase in birth rates among unmarried couples. The same studies likewise prove that a favored racer losing leads to increased instances of domestic violence due to the combination of dangerously excessive alcohol consumption, Defeat Frustration Syndrome, and the ready availability of punchable women in near proximity to NASCAR events. <O:P></O:P>
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Economical Drain

Sanctioned NASCAR merchandise alone sold $2.1 billion in 2006, and that leaves out the cost of tickets, refreshments, transportation to and from events, and an estimated $4.6 billion worth of unauthorized, Chinese-made bootleg merchandise. Americans are deeper in debt than ever before and now maybe we know why. The $600 stimulus check can’t hold a match to the raperous pillagery of the likes of Official NASCAR merchandise shopping (which we can help you do on our site, if you like, due to our affiliate sponsor cooperation with them). <O:P></O:P>
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Spending money like this may help stimulate the economy for a very brief period of time, but at a cost to the debt burden of Americans who could seriously use that money to fund community programs, hire a tutor for their children or switch to organic fruits, vegetables and soy based non-dairy substitutes. For every person attending NASCAR or buying NASCAR beer on credit, I’ll show you an American who would be better off staying home, staying out of debt, and not contributing to the total destruction of our precious, fragile earth. <O:P></O:P>
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Social Distraction at Best

NASCAR fans apparently need something to believe in and to help take them away from the real problems that exist in their everyday world. Instead of going to church, performing volunteer work, looking for a job, attending an AA meeting or spending a quiet afternoon with the kids, these poor people choose to go watch the world die a little bit, all while breathing deep of the rich, petrol-soaked air that comes with it. <O:P></O:P>
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Trophies are Plastic, Non-NAFTA made, and Imported from Red China

Not only are the trophies given out at each cup made out of petroleum based plastics and non-renewable wood products, but the components are manufactured in China (terrible environment polluter and human rights violator, in case you’ve been living the last ten years under a fake rock you bought at Wal-Mart that was made in China. These goods are then shipped here (6,000 miles across the ocean and 2,000 miles over land, all the while burning off the very same oil you’d better prefer to see in your race car… don’t get real and neither of you will have it pretty soon.) This is only a small part of the equation, but it’s still a very real problem.

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[MoonShadow]

Oooo, yes, Sanslines, you HAVE picked a fiery topic. I think you will get some heated responses as there are quite a few NASCAR fans on the forum.

Personally, I have never understood NASCAR as I cannot think of anything more boring than to watch cars racing on a track ---hmmm --- except maybe watching grass grow. But -- different strokes for different folks.

[walter05]

Another stuck up Yankee.

Mind your own business.

Seriously, I would say no!! Let people enjoy.

I personally am bored to tears by Nascar. I can't stand the thought of having to watch a race.

But if others enjoy it, let them enjoy.

If we banned all activities because they use something made in China, then most of us would be naked all of the time.

[MoonShadow]

Well, hey, Walter, there we go! LOL

[Sanslines]

Another stuck up Yankee.

Mind your own business.

Seriously, I would say no!! Let people enjoy.

I personally am bored to tears by Nascar. I can't stand the thought of having to watch a race.

But if others enjoy it, let them enjoy.

If we banned all activities because they use something made in China, then most of us would be naked all of the time.

Walter.....lol...........lol

NASCAR does exist in the North too and is popular with Yankees.

Summer is usually a slow time in the forum. The forum reverts to the same old penis threads. We need new fiery topics to debate. Let's have at it............lol.

As for banning all things form China and resorting to being naked all of the time, would that be such a bad thing?

[nimrod]

If NASCAR went all electric, I wonder how quick the technology for electric cars would take off and not seen in the negetive way that some view them.

[d_sarnoff]

First, this information is rather old and outdated. It was refuted several years ago by non-NASCAR research.

Second, take a look at the American Lemans series of racing this past year. First race series to go green in cooperation with the DOT and several organizations. Of course those green Audi R-10s running restrictor plates only turn out 700 hp and scream past 200 mph. Oh yeh, running on low sulfur diesel!

Now where did I put my clothes?

[walter05]

Walter.....lol...........lol

NASCAR does exist in the North too and is popular with Yankees.

Summer is usually a slow time in the forum. The forum reverts to the same old penis threads. We need new fiery topics to debate. Let's have at it............lol.

As for banning all things form China and resorting to being naked all of the time, would that be such a bad thing?

Of course, those Yankees are suffering from southerner envy.

I hope there is no Nascar in the UK.!!!

[Redtan]

Another, "I don't enjoy it, it bothers me therefore lets ban it" view of life! This is very short sighted. Concern yourself with things that directly affect you and live and let live as far as you can.

I'm not a Nascar fan but I'm sure that Nascar fans don't have nearly as much to worry about Naturists trying to ban their sport as Naturists will have to worry about if Nascar fans try to ban nude activities :rolleyes:.

[drgracer]

I'm not a NASCAR fan either, but there are a few positives that are being ignored. Besides entertainment for millions of people, race cars are also used by manufacturers to test ideas and components. How many lives have been saved by seat belts? How much fuel is saved in your passenger car by the aerodynamic lessons learned from racing. How much better are tires today compared to 50 years ago. How much money is pumped into a local economy by the thousands of fans that flock to these races? I could go on but you get the idea. You may not like NASCAR, but you enjoy benefits of racing every time you get behind the wheel of your car.

[maliakei]

". . . If we banned all activities because they use something made in China, then most of us would be naked all of the time.

Hey, naked is good!

[Stu2630]

Walter

I hope there is no Nascar in the UK.!!!

There is stock car racing in the UK, but it is very much a minority pastime. I would guess there is no more than half a dozen or so venues for it over here - it has never really made the big time this side of the pond, so far as I know.

http://www.spedeworth.co.uk/homepage/index.htm

That sort of thing bores the pants off me.

I confess I'm not the greenest driver on the planet. I have recently bought a brand new Range Rover and it doesn't get many miles to the gallon. :shame:

It's comfortable, fast and great on snow and rough ground, tho! :)

Stu

[Caipora]

That sort of thing bores the pants off me.

Stu

At last, Stu's "kryptonite" revealed! There is a way to bring out his inner nudist!

[Kouak]

Sanslines, I'm sure you want to ban nudist resorts too. After all, you can be nude at home without having to burn fossil fuels. Better stay inside too. You will save on the manufacture and distribution of suntan lotion. And lastly, hold your breath. Your body is producing CO2 which is causing global warming. :p

P.S. Go Hendricks Motor Sports!

[Sanslines]

Sanslines, I'm sure you want to ban nudist resorts too. After all, you can be nude at home without having to burn fossil fuels. Better stay inside too. You will save on the manufacture and distribution of suntan lotion. And lastly, hold your breath. Your body is producing CO2 which is causing global warming. :p

P.S. Go Hendricks Motor Sports!

Well, I honestly am not bothered one way or another about Nascar racing. However, what I was bothered about was the usual Summer slowdown in the forum and lack of topics. It appears that there is just a handful of people who initiate posts. Perhaps you would be so kind as to initiate more? No worries as regardless of what you post, I won't make any assumptions that what you post actually represents your beliefs until you state your beliefs. The real beliefs don't really matter just so long as we can get some kind of meaningful discussion going. The fiery topics do tend to wake people up and get them to post. The vanilla topics usually result in loads of yawns.

BTW, I never thought about banning nudist resorts but if you think that it is a good idea...............perhaps we need to ask Stu about this one?

One last point........as a result of posting this topic, we got Stu to admit that something bored the pants right off of him. This is great news and positive progress! It appears that there is at least one event (NASCAR) that results in Stu getting nude. What more can we ask for?

[barenaked1]

Doesn't matter. The Mayan calendar says everything's over by 2012. Doubt if we'll even see Stu naked by that time.

[gmoney]

Oooo, yes, Sanslines, you HAVE picked a fiery topic. I think you will get some heated responses as there are quite a few NASCAR fans on the forum.

Personally, I have never understood NASCAR as I cannot think of anything more boring than to watch cars racing on a track ---hmmm --- except maybe watching grass grow. But -- different strokes for different folks.
You should attend just one race. Watching them go circles is the least important thing to see.

First, this information is rather old and outdated. It was refuted several years ago by non-NASCAR research.


Yes but Sans is king of cut and paste on here!

Another, "I don't enjoy it, it bothers me therefore lets ban it" view of life! This is very short sighted. Concern yourself with things that directly affect you and live and let live as far as you can.

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you should read his post on other topics. Quite boring ...

[Midwest Buck]

I agree with drgracer. The technology and safety that filters down from racing to the general public far out weighs the negative impact.

There is a growing interest in drag racing electric powered cars: http://www.designnews.com/article/277418-Drag_Racing_Goes_Electric.php

Now some fun.

Gasoline Waste: Those boys are trying to get better fuel economy with their cars - less pit stops means victory lane.

Noise Pollution: Most fans bring some kind of hearing protection - see the big headsets they wear?

Lead/Heavy Metal Waste: lets not mention the less studied impacts (whatever that might be).

CFCs Greenhouse Gases: my trees and plants really love that CO2.

Spilling of Hazardous Liquids: no wonder there isn't any plant life in the landfills - how does it explain the rats & mice?

Burning Rubber: makes you want to give a rebel yell - doesn't it?

Burning of Plastic and Carbon Fiber in Crashes: problem only if you are downwind

Asbestos Brake Pads: again, only if you are downwind

Garbage Creation with No Recycling: That is why I only buy beverages in aluminum cans.

Taxpayer and Corporate Money Drain: Any tax breaks or costs taxpayers have to pay were approved the the people these taxpayers voted in office (so the taxpayers are to blame). Corporations are not going to take advertising money and use it on social causes. Corporations have and will always use adverstising and sponsorship money where they get a return on their dollar.

Destruction of Ecosphere, Habitat, Habisphere and Ecotat: I never heard Sasquatch complain. He's living fat off those beef jerky commercials.

Non-Green Construction: going green cost a lot of green (money).

Tracks Are Rarely Used: I don't go to the city park - do I get my money back for funding that?

NASCAR Basically Caused 9/11: I thought we bought the oil from those countries, was I mislead? Darn, now I am really mad at Bush's (now Obama's) oil buddies.

NASCAR Related Drunk & Reckless Driving: After watching cars run at a high rate of speed all day, something going to carry over after the race. You need to trade some paint!!

Population Boom / Domestic Violence Boon: you tell me Kurt Busch sucks and I'll punch you too.

Economical Drain: 2.1 billion divided by 300 million Americans is what, 7 bucks each - big drain.

Social Distraction at Best: What is going to church, performing volunteer work, attending an AA meeting or spending a quiet afternoon with the kids? I really don't want to do any of those things if I don't have to. Might as well spend the time at the track where you can't hear your kid complain about getting some asbestos in his nachos.

Trophies are Plastic, Non-NAFTA made, and Imported from Red China: The same polluting China that wouldn't have to follow the Kyoto treaty which everybody wants the US to sign? OK, that one got me. No more racing for me.

[pagevalleynude]

Time to start another fiery topic!

Should NASCAR Be Banned?


http://www.bannascarnow.com/images/nascar_polar_bear.jpg<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P>There are some really great, competitive, even brilliant sports out there, but there are those other kinds, the ones that burn through dinosaur fuel, scream in places where it’s supposed to be quiet, and throw lead and CFCs (greenhouse gases) into the air without regard, clear cut miles of forest to build tracks and create countless hundreds of tons of garbage for the environment to absorb as if all they have to look forward to is some man with a flag that has black and white checkers on it. <O:P></O:P>
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The world we live in is not as black and white as that flag, and the cars we drive are nothing like theirs. Why should the law we obey be so different? <O:P></O:P>
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Here’s a rundown of just a few of the hundreds of problems with NASCAR: <O:P></O:P>
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Gasoline Waste

They burn way more than they should, and this is all at a time when fuel costs are at record highs with no sign of easing back down, and supplies show no immediate signs of increasing to match global demand. The fuel crisis is very real and this waste is only making things worse. Figure too the average NASCAR fan drives the biggest V8 they can find to get to the events (couldn’t be caught dead in an economical commuter!) and that factor just compounds the problem. <O:P></O:P>
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Noise Pollution

These race cars employ little or no muffling, causing noise pollution that negatively impacts people and animals alike, causing serious, often permanent damage. <O:P></O:P>
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Lead/Heavy Metal Waste

The form of gas used in these cars is a leaded variety (one of the last remaining on the whole planet). Lead, even in small quantities, can cause serious developmental and neurological problems in humans, not to mention the less studied impact it surely has on animals and plants. <O:P></O:P>
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CFCs Greenhouse Gases

Exhaust also contains carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, methane, unburnt fuel and many other harmful substances that directly cause greenhouse warming and environmental destruction. <O:P></O:P>
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Spilling of Hazardous Liquids

The occurrence of spilt oil and other toxic chemicals is almost constant in the pits. Even higher is the instance of fluids “properly disposed” that end up in landfills or rainwater runoff drains. Harsh oils and antifreeze destroy plant and animal life and can linger in soil for hundreds, if not thousands or even many millions of years. <O:P></O:P>
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Burning Rubber

The macho display of horsepower common in all racing classes of “burning rubber” takes oxidized petroleum, converts it to a thick, smoky, airborne mass and scatters it unto the winds. Once the tire is worn even a little bit, it goes in the trash. If you know the smell of burning rubber it is only because you have been forced to breath in one of the most deadly smokes there is, and if you’ve ever seen a pile of tires left for useless (even if it wasn’t on fire) you know these things happen every day, even if only 40% of the tire’s mass has been spent. <O:P></O:P>
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Burning of Plastic and Carbon Fiber in Crashes

Where there’s smoke in corner three, there’s fire, and it’s a fire that burns fuel, oil, coolant, plastic, tires, fireproof jumpsuit, and carbon fiber parts, all of which make for a spewing plume of acrid poison into the sky. We breathe that, and so do all the other animals of this earth, none of which enjoy NASCAR. <O:P></O:P>
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Asbestos Brake Pads

The most effective substance for brake pads is asbestos, due to its ability to resist bursting into flames under even the most demanding stops. When you stomp the brakes, though, your “stock” car kicks up asbestos dust, and that ends up in lungs of fans, passersby, emergency crews that don’t even like NASCAR, and people who just happen to live on the planet better known as earth. Asbestos causes rare cancers like mesothelioma, and NASCAR doesn’t cure it. <O:P></O:P>
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Garbage Creation with No Recycling

6.7 million fan-billies attend Nextel Cup events each year, and they drink beer. It doesn’t come in washable glass mugs, it comes in non-recyclable plastic cups and (unrecycled) recyclable plastic bottles, and aluminum cans THAT END UP IN THE TRASH! If you figure even only one six-pack per attendee, and many drink much more than that, it equals 40 billion pieces of garbage, and we haven’t even talked about the hotdog wrappers, condiment packets and hundred square miles of paper napkins. <O:P></O:P>
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If each fan drinks only one case of beer per event, at one ounce of trash per beer, that’s still 160billion pieces of garbage, 10billion pounds of garbage, 5,000 tons of garbage per year, 13,698 tons per day, 570 tons per hour, or 9.51 tons of garbage created every second of every day, 365 days a year, and just because people go see NASCAR. <O:P></O:P>
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Taxpayer and Corporate Money Drain

The cost of even a single NASCAR event is a lot, but that cost doesn’t cover all the cars, crews and venues. The real brunt of the cost is passed on to taxpayers who subsidize the construction and maintenance of these grand tracks. The tax payers often get stuck with the cost of providing sufficient police presence to make it safe. Then you’ve got the corporations who pay top dollar to slather their logos across the hoods and panels of the cars when they could be putting that money to legitimate social causes, which they just can’t do so long as such luxurious advertising opportunities remain available. <O:P></O:P>
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Destruction of Ecosphere, Habitat, Habisphere and Ecotat

Tracks are built by clear-cutting vast tracks of virgin land, often wetlands that would normally be protected, while destroying countless bird nests, beaver dams, fox holes, sasquatch dens, briar patches and any hope of life any of these woodland creatures could have had. It would be like if Japanese tourists built a karaoke bar over your trailer park and didn’t give you any notice, and then poured lead in your water supply, and burnt rubber, and poured antifreeze into your aboveground swimming pool. Is this starting to sink in? <O:P></O:P>
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Non-Green Construction

There is NOT ONE SINGLE race track, not even any of the newer ones, that have been built to green standards with environmentally conscientious materials. Not only do these buildings produce greenhouse gases as they age, but the materials used wasted energy, may have funded tyrannical governments in Asia, Africa, South America and the Middle East, and didn’t give the first rip as to how they’d be decommissioned in the future. What world am I living in where this is somehow acceptable? <O:P></O:P>
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Tracks Are Rarely Used

Even though tracks cost tens of millions, sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars to build, they rarely get used more than a day or two out of any given week, and even then only during just a few months out of the year. Compare this with a city park which is environmentally friendly, carbon beneficial, and is used every single day of the year by citizens of all walks of life, not just “race car fans”. <O:P></O:P>
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NASCAR Basically Caused 9/11

9/11 didn’t have anything to do with America supporting Israel, unless you read those ten thousand articles in the Lexis-Nexis. The president said it was because those people hate freedom, and I believe him, because he’s my president. We also have a pretty deathly serious addiction to oil, which is also a factor, since God had the audacity to put all of our oil underneath their countries. <O:P></O:P>
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Forget that. What is more American and oil-centric than watching an Earnhardt take the checkered flag? Perhaps maybe the runaway consumption of oil, the brash machismo of the American racecar styled ego, and the constant thanking of Jesus Christ. Maybe some of those are also some of the things that Muslims hate about us, or how we treat them, or how we act in their country, but it’s probably the freedom-hating thing. Still, those guys have our oil, and a trillion out the door, we know they ain’t giving it back, not even with a fight. These are not coincidences. <O:P></O:P>
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NASCAR Related Drunk & Reckless Driving

It has been shown beyond any suspicion of reasonable doubt that the times before and after every NASCAR event, there is a disproportionately high number of alcohol related arrests, accidents and vehicle deaths. NASCAR sells a lot of beer and it’s no surprise that these same drivers were the ones doing all the drinking at the stadia. <O:P></O:P>
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Population Boom / Domestic Violence Boon

It’s already been statistically verified that a favorite driver winning a race leads to an increase in birth rates among unmarried couples. The same studies likewise prove that a favored racer losing leads to increased instances of domestic violence due to the combination of dangerously excessive alcohol consumption, Defeat Frustration Syndrome, and the ready availability of punchable women in near proximity to NASCAR events. <O:P></O:P>
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Economical Drain

Sanctioned NASCAR merchandise alone sold $2.1 billion in 2006, and that leaves out the cost of tickets, refreshments, transportation to and from events, and an estimated $4.6 billion worth of unauthorized, Chinese-made bootleg merchandise. Americans are deeper in debt than ever before and now maybe we know why. The $600 stimulus check can’t hold a match to the raperous pillagery of the likes of Official NASCAR merchandise shopping (which we can help you do on our site, if you like, due to our affiliate sponsor cooperation with them). <O:P></O:P>
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Spending money like this may help stimulate the economy for a very brief period of time, but at a cost to the debt burden of Americans who could seriously use that money to fund community programs, hire a tutor for their children or switch to organic fruits, vegetables and soy based non-dairy substitutes. For every person attending NASCAR or buying NASCAR beer on credit, I’ll show you an American who would be better off staying home, staying out of debt, and not contributing to the total destruction of our precious, fragile earth. <O:P></O:P>
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Social Distraction at Best

NASCAR fans apparently need something to believe in and to help take them away from the real problems that exist in their everyday world. Instead of going to church, performing volunteer work, looking for a job, attending an AA meeting or spending a quiet afternoon with the kids, these poor people choose to go watch the world die a little bit, all while breathing deep of the rich, petrol-soaked air that comes with it. <O:P></O:P>
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Trophies are Plastic, Non-NAFTA made, and Imported from Red China

Not only are the trophies given out at each cup made out of petroleum based plastics and non-renewable wood products, but the components are manufactured in China (terrible environment polluter and human rights violator, in case you’ve been living the last ten years under a fake rock you bought at Wal-Mart that was made in China. These goods are then shipped here (6,000 miles across the ocean and 2,000 miles over land, all the while burning off the very same oil you’d better prefer to see in your race car… don’t get real and neither of you will have it pretty soon.) This is only a small part of the equation, but it’s still a very real problem.

http://bannascarnow.com/

For the record, I happen to live in Virginia...and we have 2 NASCAR tracks here (3 if you include Bristol, which the track itself is in TN). Now...
As to saying NASCAR caused 9/11--where does that logic come from?? Seriously??:mad:

[ki4kxq]

The trophies are plastic and made in China huh? Really, the grandfather clock that the winner of the Martinsville race is not plastic and made in China. The Gibson guitar painted by Sam Bass given at the Nashville track is not plastic and made in China. How about the Cowboy Boot trophy given at the Texas Motor Speedway?

By the way, you forgot to mention the fuel burned by the jets during the flyover before each race in your little rant. I think your problem with Nascar is that it is run by conservatives, participated in by conservatives, and the spectators are conservatives.

[MoonShadow]

Whoa! Who's ranting? It was an ARTICLE posted.

Run by and participated by conservatives?? Huh? What does this adjective/noun have to do with NASCAR. I haven't seen any mention of conservatives and NASCAR mention previously.

Looks like this article set off some explosive responses.

[Sanslines]

Whoa! Who's ranting? It was an ARTICLE posted.

Run by and participated by conservatives?? Huh? What does this adjective/noun have to do with NASCAR. I haven't seen any mention of conservatives and NASCAR mention previously.

Looks like this article set off some explosive responses.


Moonshadow, there is more here then meets the eye. Perhaps the real issue falls back upon the statement that Obama made some time ago:

"........And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.........".

Perhaps this explains why some so hate Obama. Could it be that they see themselves in what Obama actually said? ki4's comment in another thread about how some view Obama as the 'devil' was quite revealing.

[ki4kxq]

Whoa! Who's ranting? It was an ARTICLE posted.

Run by and participated by conservatives?? Huh? What does this adjective/noun have to do with NASCAR. I haven't seen any mention of conservatives and NASCAR mention previously.

Looks like this article set off some explosive responses.

I means that if you stroll through the parking lot at a Nascar race, out of the thousands of cars, you probably won't see many, if any, Obama bumper stickers. Those that love Nascar tend to vote on the conservative side.

[Nudeinbama]

I'm not going to get all political or point at anyones post, but us Redneck, Beer drinking, Nascar loving good Ole Southern boys and Nascar itself will be the last things that fold away in this country of ours. Forever live the southern traditions and God bless Nascar.Oh, and by the way, we'll be jamming our arsses off to Sweet home Alabama all the way to the end of time.:D
Nudeinbama

P.S. I do have to agree with you sanslines, that it is good to get the group perked up and posting again, now back out to my pool and such summer fun outdoors.:laugh:

[Sanslines]

I'm not going to get all political or point at anyones post, but us Redneck, Beer drinking, Nascar loving good Ole Southern boys and Nascar itself will be the last things that fold away in this country of ours. Forever live the southern traditions and God bless Nascar.Oh, and by the way, we'll be jamming our arsses off to Sweet home Alabama all the way to the end of time.:D
Nudeinbama

P.S. I do have to agree with you sanslines, that it is good to get the group perked up and posting again, now back out to my pool and such summer fun outdoors.:laugh:

Now dont you go running off to that pool of yours to enjoy that Summer sun. Get yerself back in here as ya have some serious posting to do - lol - (or would you prefer a bunch of penis threads).

P.S. Don't worry...........your secret is safe with me...............I won't tell anyone that you were born and raised in New Jersey!

[MoonShadow]

Hmmmm, wonder how many confederate flag stickers are seen in that parking lot....

Here's an interesting article a friend sent to me. Hope changes have occurred in the last year regarding such.

NASCAR's 'racist culture' under fire Saturday, June 14, 2008
Undeterred by claims of racism in NASCAR, black students seek to institute cultural changes.

By Dustin Long
The Roanoke Times

Joshua Lewis still aspires for a job in NASCAR.
Yes, the 20-year-old black student in North Carolina A&T University's motorsports program has heard about this week's lawsuit that alleges racist and sexist allegations against NASCAR.

No, he won't abandon his goals. Instead, the lawsuit motivates him to help change the stock-car racing series.

"I want to be one to bring about more diversity," says Lewis, a Greensboro resident.
He's not alone. Other classmates echo his comments. Even Mauricia Grant, who cites racial, sexual and gender discrimination in her suit against NASCAR, says she'd recommend that minorities be a part of the sport.

"We have to work together to change the racist culture, and, anyone who has an interest in motorsports, they should be allowed to work in that environment without having to deal with racism or sexism or racially ignorant people," Grant said this week in a conference call with reporters.

She alleges that series officials called her "Nappy Headed Mo," that two co-workers repeatedly used a racist epithet and that one co-worker often made references to the Ku Klux Klan. NASCAR Chairman Brian France said earlier this week that Grant did not report the incidents to the proper officials. NASCAR is conducting an investigation into her claims.

On Friday, two officials named in a $225 million racial discrimination and sexual harassment lawsuit have been placed on administrative leave for violating company policy, according to the Associated Press.

The officials, who were not immediately identified, were sent home from Kentucky Speedway on Friday evening, a person familiar with the NASCAR investigation told the AP. The person requested anonymity because NASCAR's investigation is ongoing.
What Grant has alleged doesn't scare Johnnie Wade, a High Point, N.C., resident who graduated from A&T's motorsports program last year.

"It does raise the awareness of who I am and what industry I want to belong in," he says.
Wade admits he's heard similar comments at race tracks and elsewhere in the racing business. He says he's "not surprised" about the comments Grant alleges in her lawsuit.
Neither is Thurman Exum, the director of A&T's motorsports program, which provides the most comprehensive racing curriculum at a historically black college. He teaches his students about NASCAR's checkered history. Wendell Scott is the only black driver to have won a NASCAR race -- that came in 1963 -- but he was not declared the winner until a few hours after the race. "Everybody in the place knew I had won the race," a 2005 NASCAR.com story quoted Scott as saying years earlier. "But the promoters and NASCAR officials didn't want me out there kissing any beauty queens or accepting any awards."
NASCAR, which is predominately white, has faced questions about racial attitudes for years. NASCAR supports a driver diversity program, has a diversity council and provides internships to minority students.

Those programs are not as visible as the sport's problems. In 1999, David Scott, a black motorcoach driver, said he was the victim of a racial prank. He said he was subjected to racial slurs from white motorcoach drivers and was confronted by one at a race track who wore a white pillowcase over his head, imitating a Ku Klux Klansman.

Such incidents are why Exum says A&T's motorsports program is needed "to develop African-Americans to be involved in ... NASCAR is even greater today than it has been."
More inclusion can help change attitudes and perceptions.

The allegations in Grant's lawsuit, though, raise questions of how far NASCAR has come.
"This is, in some ways, an exclamation point for those who want to think what NASCAR is," said Richard Lapchick, director of the Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport. "It's hurting (NASCAR) in the short term."

Lapchick notes that NASCAR's investigation into Grant's claims needs to take actions against those responsible if the allegations are found to be true.

[ki4kxq]

There are idiots in every walk of life, every sport, every occuption. NASCAR as a whole does have diversity programs. If the allegations in the story are proven true, then those responsible should be punished.

[Fitz1980]

The claims of domestic violence being related to NASCAR races is bunk, they make the same claims about the Super Bowl.

Trash produced by people at the events isn't exactly fair either. Like those 6 million people who attend the various races each year wouldn't be at home or somewhere else drinking beer over the weekend and generating trash.

I can't speak for all venues but lots of large venues also have draft beer, which is served in paper cups which can be made from recycled paper and is biodegradable.

I don't really follow NASCAR myself. I've been to one race and did have fun there. I certainly wouldn't want to ban it because it's not my thing. You can argue that it's wasteful, noisy and takes up lots of space; but I'm a concert buff and those arguments could be made about concerts, or football games, ect.

[Lord Drakkus]

By the way, you forgot to mention the fuel burned by the jets during the flyover before each race in your little rant. I think your problem with Nascar is that it is run by conservatives, participated in by conservatives, and the spectators are conservatives.

I'm not conservative, and I actually enjoy NASCAR. Not a fanboy by any means, but I think it's far more interesting that just about all the other sports combined. I've never been able to understand the allure of a bunch of guys hitting a ball with a stick and running around in circles, or a bunch of sweaty guys jumping on top of each other and slapping each others butts. To me, that's always seemed very "mentally handicapped" and homosexual, respecitively.

Bring on the flames!! ;)

[walter05]

You said the following:

To me, that's always seemed very "mentally handicapped" and homosexual, respecitively.;)

First of all, there is nothing wrong with being mentallly handicapped. If someone happens to have a mental limitation, that person can still be wonderful.

Man, you are a real homophobe. What is wrong with being a homosexual?

I have found a link to a nude rugby game. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/photos/2498761/Nude-rugby

Just because men are naked and even making contact, that does not mean it is homosexual.

This fear of possibly being considered gay is why teen males will not shower nude in front of each other.

[Lord Drakkus]

You said the following:



First of all, there is nothing wrong with being mentallly handicapped. If someone happens to have a mental limitation, that person can still be wonderful.

Man, you are a real homophobe. What is wrong with being a homosexual?

I have found a link to a nude rugby game. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/photos/2498761/Nude-rugby

Just because men are naked and even making contact, that does not mean it is homosexual.

This fear of possibly being considered gay is why teen males will not shower nude in front of each other.

You're forgetting some of my previous posts. I fully support homosexuality, I've even tried it. Not my thing but I have nothing against those who live that life. My point was that, to me, it's always seemed like (american) football players were closet homosexuals.

As for the mentally handicapped, I've known very few of them and have no opinion whatsoever. Again, my point was that (again american) baseball players seem to have a diminished mental capacity.

[FreeinNJ]

ok , here is my vote -BAN IT!

[Nudeinbama]

To start the wheel rolling we'll get NASCAR to ban ever running a race in New Jersey.:sneaky::D
Nudeinbama

[walter05]

You're forgetting some of my previous posts. I fully support homosexuality, I've even tried it. Not my thing but I have nothing against those who live that life. My point was that, to me, it's always seemed like (american) football players were closet homosexuals.

As for the mentally handicapped, I've known very few of them and have no opinion whatsoever. Again, my point was that (again american) baseball players seem to have a diminished mental capacity.

I am not forgetting anything. It reminds me when someone starts telling me that some of my best friends are Jewish. It usually means that person is very anti-semetic.

You are so afraid of doing something that might be considered homosexual. If any guy does something that is not so macho, you think he must be homosexual.

You have a very fragil sexuality and are the type of friend that homosexuals don't need. You are perhaps afraid that being seen naked by another guy, seeing another guy naked, having an erection in front of another guy, etc. is homosexual. If a guy touches another guys behind or gives an embrace you think he is a homosexual.

You admit to trying it yourself. You are so defensive and afraid of it, that I am sure you are truly the most homophobic on this site.

You also still don't understand how your comment about mental handicapped was so harmful. There are many with mental handicaps that are very functional, loving, and wonderful people. I know of no of them that are as homophobic as you are.

[walter05]

Bama;

People in New Jersey are not considered smart enough to pump their own gas. Of course they would not want NASCAR. The pit stops make them jealous.

[Midwest Buck]

some nascar demographics
http://www.greenflagmarketing.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=36

[maliakei]

I'm not a fan of Nascar but my mother enjoyed it. She also liked riding motorcycles. One of her favorite actors was Steve McQueen who played in 'Bullitt'. He did many of his own stunts too. In true life he loved racing motorcyles & cars and was said to have designed bucket seats for race cars. Let Nascar fans enjoy the sport, just as long as there is no racetrack built close to my home.

[Naturist Mark]

Lead/Heavy Metal Waste

The form of gas used in these cars is a leaded variety (one of the last remaining on the whole planet). Lead, even in small quantities, can cause serious developmental and neurological problems in humans, not to mention the less studied impact it surely has on animals and plants. <O:P></O:P>
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NASCAR banned leaded fuel last year.

Two years ago the Indy Racing League (IRL) switched to 100% ethanol fuel, and NASCAR may soon follow. The IRL has found that ethanol is safer and more efficient than gasoline.

Even though ethanol has a lower energy content than gasoline, it runs the engines so much better that they are able to downsize the fuel cells (fuel tanks). Due to a lower stoichiometric (air to fuel) ratio, more ethanol can be combusted per engine stroke, making the engine more powerful running ethanol than gasoline - or the same power can be obtained from a smaller and lighter engine.

[Procrastinator]

Wendell Scott is the only black driver to have won a NASCAR race -- that came in 1963 -- but he was not declared the winner until a few hours after the race. "Everybody in the place knew I had won the race," a 2005 NASCAR.com story quoted Scott as saying years earlier. "But the promoters and NASCAR officials didn't want me out there kissing any beauty queens or accepting any awards."

Wendell Scott (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMam0v3fXFc)

Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper have a great ode to Wendell on their Frenzy album, The Ballad of Wendell Scott.

Joe

[Lord Drakkus]

I am not forgetting anything. It reminds me when someone starts telling me that some of my best friends are Jewish. It usually means that person is very anti-semetic.

You are so afraid of doing something that might be considered homosexual. If any guy does something that is not so macho, you think he must be homosexual.

You have a very fragil sexuality and are the type of friend that homosexuals don't need. You are perhaps afraid that being seen naked by another guy, seeing another guy naked, having an erection in front of another guy, etc. is homosexual. If a guy touches another guys behind or gives an embrace you think he is a homosexual.

You admit to trying it yourself. You are so defensive and afraid of it, that I am sure you are truly the most homophobic on this site.

You also still don't understand how your comment about mental handicapped was so harmful. There are many with mental handicaps that are very functional, loving, and wonderful people. I know of no of them that are as homophobic as you are.

Even though we've now gone completely off-topic, I'll bite. Again, I have nothing against homosexuals. I just made a joke about what I think of these so-called "macho" men slapping each-others behind at football games, etc. For how "macho" they are, why the obsession with slapping behinds, eh? It's just silly, and my family and friends constantly joke about how they're getting their jollies from it, ie the closet homosexual.

I really have nothing against homosexuals. Believe it or not, I don't really care now. Just because it's my truth doesn't mean you have to believe it.

[QCrash]

At NASCAR's top level, only 43 people will make a race. Of those, probably 15 have the ability, equipment and personnel to be truly competitive. The point is these are really exceptional drivers with a really unique ability. Most of them started racing as kids in go-karts.

I've been to go-kart races, there are very few, if any, minorities. It's mostly white families (I honestly don't recall if there were any minorities, I normally don't take much notice of things like that).

I don't think there's any organized discouragement towards minorities, I venture there's very few interested. If there's few starting out as kids, only a fraction of those will go on to compete at local or regional levels. A fraction of those will ever make it on a national level.

I mean, even in sports with a fair amount of minority presence like basketball or boxing, only a fraction make it to the top level.

That doesn't excuse anyone from saying rotten things, I think NASCAR takes this type of behavior seriously. Ironically, many of the top drivers right now don't have roots in the south.

Hmmmm, wonder how many confederate flag stickers are seen in that parking lot....

Here's an interesting article a friend sent to me. Hope changes have occurred in the last year regarding such.

NASCAR's 'racist culture' under fire Saturday, June 14, 2008
Undeterred by claims of racism in NASCAR, black students seek to institute cultural changes.

[Kouak]

I think your problem with Nascar is that it is run by conservatives, participated in by conservatives, and the spectators are conservatives.

Conservatives??? I thought NASCAR fans were red necks and proud of it.

[Fitz1980]

Conservatives??? I thought NASCAR fans were red necks and proud of it.

Red necks are the conservative base, didn't you know that; remember Sarah Palin?

[Sanslines]

Criticism of NASCAR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_Criticism

Why Fans Love NASCAR:

http://nascar.about.com/b/2007/12/25/the-all-positive-nascar-thread.htm

[MoonShadow]

At

That doesn't excuse anyone from saying rotten things, I think NASCAR takes this type of behavior seriously. Ironically, many of the top drivers right now don't have roots in the south.

Hmmm, the South? Rednecks are everywhere. The South doesn't have an exclusive on rednecks.

[Sanslines]

Hmmm, the South? Rednecks are everywhere. The South doesn't have an exclusive on rednecks.

Well, this is true. It is said that Larry the Cable Guy is originally from Illinois.

[usuallylurk]

I am not a NASCAR fan, and frankly, cannot personally understand the kick out of watching cars go around in circles for two or three or four hours.

On the other hand, New Hampshire International Speedway is used nearly every weekend in the warm-weather months, it brings a lot of money into an area that needs it, and for the two Winston/Nextel/Sprint/whatever weekends, there are 90,000+ crowds, and they bring money.

Automotive racing - especially at the NASCAR level - is somewhat critical to the advancement of the state of the art for automobiles, particularly for engineering (durability) and SAFETY. And , fuel economy as well.

So, there's more good from NASCAR than any "evils". And I don't think anyone has business dictating that "it encourages people to buy big cars" ... "the parts are made in China", etc. etc. Those are pretty absurd arguments to close down a properous business line.


Now - I will counter with the most unreasonable argument against NASCAR that was posted =

The cost of even a single NASCAR event is a lot, but that cost doesn’t cover all the cars, crews and venues. The real brunt of the cost is passed on to taxpayers who subsidize the construction and maintenance of these grand tracks. The tax payers often get stuck with the cost of providing sufficient police presence to make it safe. Then you’ve got the corporations who pay top dollar to slather their logos across the hoods and panels of the cars when they could be putting that money to legitimate social causes, which they just can’t do so long as such luxurious advertising opportunities remain available

The leopard reveals his spots. Shut down NASCAR, and there will be more money for social programs. Uh, huh, right.

Yes, the tax payers get stuck, but then again, the tax payers get INCOME from the race -- a lot more people are earning money and PAYING taxes -- which get used for social programs.

A little lesson in economics is in order. When 95,000 people come into the Lakes Region for a race weekend -- they

- buy a ticket for the race (cost ~$100)
- many stay at hotels and campgrounds (read = hotel taxes on every room and campsite -- and private sector JOBS)
- they have to eat somewhere (read = meals taxes)
- they have to purchase gasoline to get there and come back (read=state gasoline taxes and federal gas tax, and more JOBS)
- the track provides PRIVATE-SECTOR JOBS (read = payroll taxes, New Hampshire has no state personal income tax but the IRS gets its share)
- the track pays property taxes
- the track pays corporate taxes to the state and the federal government
- advertising also generates revenue, which is taxable, and it generates JOBS. If the advertising didn't make money for the company doing it, they wouldn't do it. This even extends down to the level of "charities" like public television.

Now, PART of those taxes collected go to the police detail. A **TINY** part.

A VERY TINY PART OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS ** and ** GETTING ALL OF THOSE JOBS, ALL OF THAT ECONOMIC STIMULATION, AND ALL OF THE TAXES THAT FLOW INTO THE PUBLIC COFFERS FROM IT.

BUT if that private-sector commerce does not take place -- then it can't be taxed -- then people are put out of work -- then there isn't the money in the tax coffers to provide nice little things like social services, homeless shelters, schools, etc. etc.

TRANSLATION - you want good government services, you need a private tax base to provide it. NASCAR provides it in some communities across this country. Eliminate something that provides a lot of income for a lot of people, you don't have the tax money to build homeless shelters or employ social workers.

This is something that some of those, who are seeking more money at the public trough, or represent groups that do, don't totally understand.

AND - most tracks are PRIVATELY funded, they are not "subsidized" or built at taxpayers' expense. Do they receive some breaks? Yeah, but you have to give SOME slack to someone who's going to invest tens - or hundreds of millions of dollars into a project that will employ people, contribute to the quality of life in an area, and provide economic stability, so they CAN provide services for those who are in need.

Or even JOBS for those who need them.

More jobs = fewer social services required + there's more money to pay for the ones you need.

Unless, of course, you actually feel that wiping out a large private employment sector is a good thing so social services can be expanded to cater to those who are affected by the loss of such employment!

[missouriboy]

Since the article in the opening post of this thread was obviously tongue-in-cheek humor, here's a paraphrase of some standup comedian's jokes about it... (Jeff Foxworthy, maybe? I don't remember)

"You cannot see what makes NASCAR fans sit and watch shiny objects go in a circle for hours and hours on end... until you try to talk to one of them; then you DO understand." :sneaky:
-and-
"It's OK to tease NASCAR fans. If they get mad and chase you, all you gotta do is turn right." :D

J/k - J/K folks. NASCAR is entertainment, just like any other sport, and/or reality shows, or whatever. It has its fans, just like any successful entertainment, otherwise it just would not exist. To suggest banning it is tantamount to getting one panties in a twist just because someone, somewhere, is having some fun.

I'm not a fan, but I'd never suggest banning it.

[usuallylurk]

And that site (bannascarnow.com) is WEIRD.

Who owns the site? They seem to be very cowardly, no people listed on it, no organization.

They have links to "girls in bikinis" sites.

They use perjorative terms like "fan-billies" in their text -- something about the beer cans they drink out of aren't recycled. Here in Massachusetts, where we have a bottle bill, people make a living scavenging deposit containers. Banning NASCAR is not the solution, promoting recycling is (duh).

Very hard to take a political manifesto from such a site with any seriousness. Could be a joke / spoof site.

[inudist]

Red necks are the conservative base, didn't you know that; remember Sarah Palin?

Boy you got this backwards don't you? Here is a quote from wikipedia about the term redneck.

"Etymology and Other Uses
The term has been used for different groups in different time periods. The most common American usage, that of the rural white Southerner, is generally believed to derive from individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the sunlight over the course of their lifetime.[3]

In the Dictionary of American Regional English, the earliest citation of the term in this context is from 1830, as "a name bestowed upon the Presbyterians of Fayetteville [North Carolina]". A citation from 1893 provides a definition as "poorer inhabitants of the rural districts...men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin burned red by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks".[4]"

Yes this was a derogatory term for those farm workers used by those uppity conservatives back in those days that turned into a source of PRIDE!

Aren't these the people liberals are supposed to be looking after?

Things have really got twisted around these days haven't they?

Long live rednecks and long live NASCAR!!!!

[MoonShadow]

The term redneck no longer applies just to southerners. It is nationwide. It is a way of thinking now. IF we used the term as literally define by the dictionary, there would be few rednecks as the farmer of the past no longer exists. Today we have huge agriculture conglomerates who pay to use certain lands for certain people to farm.

Redneck is also another name for bubbas. Both are nationwide. Sarah Palin is a redneck in how she thinks and currently behaves. It is a way of thinking -- these individuals may live in rural USA or be members of Congress, or CEOs.

I am from the south so I know a thing or two about rednecks/bubbas. LOL

[pagevalleynude]

Red necks are the conservative base, didn't you know that; remember Sarah Palin?

Actually, I think the GOP is trying to forget this empty-headed bim!!!:laugh:

[pagevalleynude]

The term redneck no longer applies just to southerners. It is nationwide. It is a way of thinking now. IF we used the term as literally define by the dictionary, there would be few rednecks as the farmer of the past no longer exists. Today we have huge agriculture conglomerates who pay to use certain lands for certain people to farm.

Redneck is also another name for bubbas. Both are nationwide. Sarah Palin is a redneck in how she thinks and currently behaves. It is a way of thinking -- these individuals may live in rural USA or be members of Congress, or CEOs.

I am from the south so I know a thing or two about rednecks/bubbas. LOL

I do, too; I'm from Virginia.:D

[pagevalleynude]

Bama;

People in New Jersey are not considered smart enough to pump their own gas. Of course they would not want NASCAR. The pit stops make them jealous.

So that's why the Jersey Turnpike was built!!!:laugh::p:sneaky:

[connorsdad]

Why ban NASCAR? I am not a diehard fan, but I do like the idea of being wiht the family, watching a race on TV or getting ready for that Nascar weekend. Here in Indiana you can feel the race fever in the air near the time of the Brickyard and Indy 500. It is as everyone is in a good mood and happy.

I like that and would have to see that go.

Just my opinion.

[Fitz1980]

The term redneck no longer applies just to southerners. It is nationwide. It is a way of thinking now. IF we used the term as literally define by the dictionary, there would be few rednecks as the farmer of the past no longer exists. Today we have huge agriculture conglomerates who pay to use certain lands for certain people to farm.


Jeff Foxworthy's whole "you might be a redneck if...." routine came from a gig he did in a bowling ally that had valet parking in some rust-belt state where someone accused him of being a redneck because he was from Georgia. Jeff's point was that people in a bowling ally with valet parking thought that he was a redneck simply because he was from the south, and so a comedy legend was born.

[Sanslines]

Originally Posted by walter05 http://www.clothesfreeforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.clothesfreeforum.com/showthread.php?p=236172#post236172)
Bama;

People in New Jersey are not considered smart enough to pump their own gas. Of course they would not want NASCAR. The pit stops make them jealous.

So that's why the Jersey Turnpike was built!!!:laugh::p:sneaky:

Ok let the real truth be known. Walter is frustrated and unhappy. Walter is unhappy because he was going to cruise the Jersey Turnpike with Stu in Stu's new Range Rover. Sadly, Stu could not make it over here with his Range Rover.

[QCrash]

I don't think I used the term. I mean, it isn't any different than any other derogatory word used to define a group of people; is it?

My reference to the south was because NASCAR has roots in the south, is thought of as a southern sport, and there are certainly enough stereotypical thoughts in regard to folks down south.

Hmmm, the South? Rednecks are everywhere. The South doesn't have an exclusive on rednecks.

[MoonShadow]

My reference to the south was because NASCAR has roots in the south, is thought of as a southern sport, and there are certainly enough stereotypical thoughts in regard to folks down south.


Yes, there are certainly enough; one is too many. LOL But the same can be said nationwide.

[Kouak]

I'm originally from the Indy 500/Brickyard 400 area. Now I'm a damned Yankee (one that came down here and stayed!). One thing I've noticed is we all have a little redneck in us. It is more of an attitude than anything else. A kind of I'm me and proud of it attitude.

[walter05]

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Ok let the real truth be known. Walter is frustrated and unhappy. Walter is unhappy because he was going to cruise the Jersey Turnpike with Stu in Stu's new Range Rover. Sadly, Stu could not make it over here with his Range Rover.


I have never been so insulted. I am not on illegal mind altering drugs and never have been. There is not enough single malt scotch in the U.K. to get me to want to do this.

[MoonShadow]

I have never been so insulted. I am not on illegal mind altering drugs and never have been. There is not enough single malt scotch in the U.K. to get me to want to do this.

LOL Walter -- don't think there is enough of anything for anyone to do this. LOL

Sanslines, you little devil. LOL

[Sanslines]

LOL Walter -- don't think there is enough of anything for anyone to do this. LOL

Sanslines, you little devil. LOL


Perhaps you can influence Stu to come over here so that you can go cruising with him in his new Range Rover on the Jersey Turnpike?

[walter05]

The truth is I don't dislike Stu.

I just don't enjoy argument for sport.

Everything I would say, he would argue for the sport of it. I would get tired of it very quickly.

[Sanslines]

The truth is I don't dislike Stu.

I just don't enjoy argument for sport.

Everything I would say, he would argue for the sport of it. I would get tired of it very quickly.

Well think of the situation this way. Stu is still relatively young and can potentially be in this forum for another 40 to 50 years. No doubt he will be reminding your children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of his sensibilities.

[DSailing]

I don’t agree with Nascar; mostly I think it is a total waste, but people do this by choice and who am I to limit their choices? I think people should make the choice as to whether they wish to support anything based on excess and consumption. I choose no, but to each their own.

[Naturist Mark]

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Ok let the real truth be known. Walter is frustrated and unhappy. Walter is unhappy because he was going to cruise the Jersey Turnpike with Stu in Stu's new Range Rover. Sadly, Stu could not make it over here with his Range Rover.

OK, Walter is out, but I'll extend an invitation to Stu and his Range Rover. I'll take him to wonderful places, some nearby the New Jersey turnpike (Gunnison?), and some far far away ...
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[Sanslines]

OK, Walter is out, but I'll extend an invitation to Stu and his Range Rover. I'll take him to wonderful places, some nearby the New Jersey turnpike (Gunnison?), and some far far away ...


Sounds good. I'll sit in the back and you and Stu can sit up front and debate which one of you will drive.

[pagevalleynude]

I don’t agree with Nascar; mostly I think it is a total waste, but people do this by choice and who am I to limit their choices? I think people should make the choice as to whether they wish to support anything based on excess and consumption. I choose no, but to each their own.

Well, at least somebody's staying on topic...shocked

[sunfisher]

One thing that no one has mentioned yet is the millions of $$$$ that nascar drivers and their fans donate to various charities. There is a driver that funds a foundation to collect bonemarrow samples for possible donor matches. You might need it if you ever go through chemo for leukemia. Another supports autism research. There is another that has set up a foundation for wildlife preservation. Richard Petty and his family (in honor of Adam Petty who was killed in racing accident) built a summer camp for kids suffering from various forms of cancer. The list goes on and on. There isn't a driver or race team that isn't invovled in some sort of charitable organization. The NASCAR foundation collects donations for many worthy causes. Ban NASCAR and tell all the charities to say goodbye to a whole sh*t load of cash. Anyone want to step up to the plate and make up for it???
Yes!! I am a NASCAR fan. (I aint a bible thumper but I am a gun totin good ole boy.) If I miss a race on tv I hit the web sight to catch the highlights.

Gene

[nudeM]

Another Environmental wacko who wants to change the lives of everyday enjoyment just to "save the planet". It's too bad they, the environmentalists, just can't stand everyone having fun without sticking their noses in other peoples business. Go sit in a tree and watch it grow and leave us alone.

[pagevalleynude]

One thing that no one has mentioned yet is the millions of $$$$ that nascar drivers and their fans donate to various charities. There is a driver that funds a foundation to collect bonemarrow samples for possible donor matches. You might need it if you ever go through chemo for leukemia. Another supports autism research. There is another that has set up a foundation for wildlife preservation. Richard Petty and his family (in honor of Adam Petty who was killed in racing accident) built a summer camp for kids suffering from various forms of cancer. The list goes on and on. There isn't a driver or race team that isn't invovled in some sort of charitable organization. The NASCAR foundation collects donations for many worthy causes. Ban NASCAR and tell all the charities to say goodbye to a whole sh*t load of cash. Anyone want to step up to the plate and make up for it???
Yes!! I am a NASCAR fan. (I aint a bible thumper but I am a gun totin good ole boy.) If I miss a race on tv I hit the web sight to catch the highlights.

Gene

I'm still wondering if the original post on this thread really was done in jest. Just a thought...:rolleyes: