Dealing with perverts at the nudist beach/park

[MeBNude]

We are lucky in Oregon that we have two government sanctioned clothing optional beaches. And I just started to be a regular this year. But every time I go by myself, I've got perverts watching me from the bushes, jacking off near me, asking me if I want to have sex.:disappointed:

Being a real newbie, I was hoping that I could get some advise on how to best handle these situations from others with more experience.

Thanks.

[FireProf]

You'll undoubtedly get lots of advice and ideas how to handle this.

If I were speaking to my wife or female friends about this...the best advice I could give is;
If the opportunity is there. Sit near other females or couples. Try and find groups of people like the volleyball crowd to sit next to.

Confrontation sometimes works...such as yelling at them and embarrassing them in front of the rest of the beach but...if you're going to the beach alone you must use caution because you don't want to have them bothering you when you leave.

More advice will follow. Be safe and aware of your surroundings but...don't stop going to the beach and enjoying yourself.

FP

[betterman]

it's a damn shame!

and being gov't sanctioned areas, shouldn't there be like park rangers or some sort of patrol there that can be alerted to this sort of behavior? i don't know these things as i've never been to such a place, but just seems like that would be in place

[Lord Drakkus]

Ask them for their name, and then pull out your cell phone. They'll assume you're going to call the police. I wouldn't do this though unless there were a lot of people around you.

While public nudity may not be illegal in most of Oregon, sexual behavior is. Be sure to remind them of that.

This is assuming that you have at least a purse with you, obviously...

[Bluetaylor]

Yeah I agree, try to stay near other people there. I would also say carry that portable mase stuff, and take a camera if needed -- it would probably keep those pervs wondering if you share pics with the rangers or post on the net, etc. More of a scare tactic or deterent - guess it's worth a try.

I'm sorry to even read this even happened to you MeBNude. You mentioned visiting often - how many times have you gone alone and it happened? It sounds like a huge problem if that is the case. It's pervs like that who take away the freedom from civil people who enjoy the park nude.

[NudeAl]

First off welcome, and out of the two I would really reccommend going to Sauvies Islands, Collins Beach. It has a more family friendly atmosphere more couples etc. They have a group there called Friends of Sauvies Island Clothing Optional Beach, FOSCOB. I suggest trying to get in touch with them and then for you to make a few friends they undoubtedly have some good info. I will echo Fireprofs suggestion to find another group with females and also suggest hanging out near the volleyball area there's safety in numbers. It is extremely sad that this even happens a sign of our times I suppose. Finally it might be worth a look to try out one of the landed nudist clubs there is one a few miles west of Portland, (Restful Haven) another southeast a little further (Squaw Mountain) and one more northeast of Eugene, (Willamettans.) You won't have this problem at a club and if you did they person would be tossed out on his rear. Goodluck

[countryguync]

If the individual are just looking I would suggest trying to embarrass them by calling out to them and getting others to also look in that direction.

If the person is "jacking off" then try to get a picture and/or call 911 to report him. The police might get lucky if the "perv" shot his load onto the ground or bushes and they managed to collect a sample to be tested for DNA match in State and Federal databases. That would give a name and last known address.

It would be kinda hard to not be found guilty of something if you leave some "evidence" behind at the scene of the crime.

Sorry you were visually assaulted.:(:mad:

[MeBNude]

In answer to your question, Bluetaylor, at least 50% of the time I have encountered blatently sexual behavior from the opposite sex (I'm out twice a week on average and it happens on both of our beaches). And it's not that I look like a Barbie doll or anything. I'm in my mid-40s, have a slouching stomach after losing 100 lbs. over the last couple of years, have always been a curvey woman with plenty of insecurities related to my body so I found it a bit surprising how often this has happened this summer. Maybe it's because Oregon has these legal clothing optional beaches. I don't know. Funny how when I am down on the beach with my boyfriend (who has been a nudist for over 20 years and opened my eyes to the fact that I've been a closet nudist since I was a kid)

The two times it got scary (one was a jerking off situation and the other, someone older than my father grabbed my arm and asked me "how big are your boobies"), a fellow nudist (same gentleman both times) - 1) chased the guys off (yes, I do stay near people... I like some distance, quiet, but I'm not completely clueless); and 2) reported the events to the park ranger.

Both times, the ranger came down and interviewed me, they had vehicle licenses, and I agreed to press charges. I've read plenty of posts here contemplating why more women don't get into this lifestyle. Obviously, my experiences aren't unique.

But, I decided to press charges, not just for me, but for other women who might not be willing to do the same.

And in closing, after I typed my response above, I almost deleted it, because I don't want to scare women off of the beaches. But I didn't.

My real message here is that everyone is entitled to be nude without unwanted advances, there are things that someone can do to ward these off (I was just looking for a little more insight on how to avoid this since I thought the 50% number was a bit higher than I would have thought).

Finally and most importantly, the nudist community is wonderful. People who don't know me from Eve have risen in my defense, more than once. After the second time, I finally got their names.

P.S. I'm going back out on Sunday... a few bad apples will not keep me from enjoying the other fruits I am discovering in this lifestyle.

[Lavandermist]

Sorry to hear that some of your beach visits have been less than pleasant... It's good going by yourself to have some alone time and lose yourself in thoughtless-ness; but when each time you go you're faced with pervs isn't the greatest incentive. I agree with the others that if you go by yourself, try and select a spot where there's more people around you. You could confront the perv but I would be weary of your safety; either at that moment or as you may be leaving. Stay closer to the crowd and away from bushes and other areas that could conceal those mofo's. We're lucky in Vancouver to have a pretty busy and crowded nude beach; and although I have encountered my share of creepers when I go alone, I haven't had that serious a confrontation. So yeah, I hope this doesn't deter you from going back. Bring a ****-block if you can ;)

[Naturist Mark]

A woman who used to visit here said she would take out her camera and tell them she likes to take photos of the beach perverts to put on the internet. Turns out they are rather camera shy ...

[Fitz1980]

Maybe it's because Oregon has these legal clothing optional beaches.


I don't think it's that, I'd imagine that it's a lack of supervision. I've never been to the west coast but given your mention of park rangers coming down I'd imagine that the beaches are secluded and don't have authority figures constantly posted at all times, more rangers just passing through. Miami-Dade has the right idea. I used to live near Haulover and went often. That beach is part of the Miami department of parks and recreation. They have lifeguards stationed at all times making sure that the rules are adhered to. I never saw sex or masturbation on that beach and the one time I saw someone surreptitiously photographing unknowing people the police arrived in a short time and "escorted him off the beach."

[Rebecca]

Whenever I go I always bring a friend, stay towards the middle of the beach as the end zones are useually where the dodgey people are. The think with my beach (Brighton) is that for a nude beach it is very close to the main part of the town so it is pretty busy all the time so I find its hard for people to skulk in the bushes and perv due to the road activity.

[DenitaLC]

If you're refering to Collins Beach........stay near the Volleyball/family area. It's a wider section of beach and the pervs hang near the trees, way in back.

I was there last a week ago and the only issue was some migrant workers who decided to pull out their cell phone and aim it at our group. I yelled "PUT THE CAMERA AWAY" and the whole beach came alive! Others yelled the same and one woman walked down to the three guys and had a conversation with them. I think they got the point!

I thought about walking up to them and taking their picture. Like someone above mentioned....pervs don't like having their picture taken so that might be a tactic to use if you encounter some in the future.

[Agde]

On French beaches, there seems always to be a few of us regulars who keep an eye out for this. Any lurker, innocent or otherwise, gets a rapid visit by a couple of us for "a chat." Three things from experience. First, 99% of the "lurkers" are male, so it is problematic for women to confront them. Second, nine out of ten times, the "lurkers" turn out to be curious hesitant newbies, in which case we invite them to join us and keep them close by for "education and evaluation". (I confess to even having a laminated French Naturist Federation brochure in the pocket of my beach chair.) Third, a couple of male naturists challenging the bad egg "lurkers" usually solves the problem -- only once can I remember a "returnee" -- but if things get at all confrontational or if something sexual is going on, we immediately call the police, since at that point it becomes a legal matter. In most places, in fact, we've talked to the local police in advance about what to do and how they will react. (We've never tried Mark's idea of threatening to post photos on the internet -- that might not be legal in Europe, but worth exploring... ;) )

My point is that, unfair as it may seem to some, this is largely up to male naturists to deal with. Guys, I know it's a bit old fashioned, but as long as there are old fashioned attitudes around, we all have to be ready to be proactively protective. MeBNude, or anybody else, shouldn't even have to wave and point for us to be there to help, no matter how close they are to "the volleyball/family area."

[tiger79]

My point is that, unfair as it may seem to some, this is largely up to male naturists to deal with. Guys, I know it's a bit old fashioned, but as long as there are old fashioned attitudes around, we all have to be ready to be proactively protective. MeBNude, or anybody else, shouldn't even have to wave and point for us to be there to help, no matter how close they are to "the volleyball/family area."
I fully agree - and I've had experience too of warning off lurkers who have been bothering ladies on the beach. However, the best advice for avoiding the problem in the first place is that single women should position themselves at the front of the beach, close to the water, and as close as they reasonably can to other people. Lurkers generally only inhabit the back edges of the beach area.

[LamontCranston]

In answer to your question, Bluetaylor, at least 50% of the time I have encountered blatently sexual behavior from the opposite sex (I'm out twice a week on average and it happens on both of our beaches). And it's not that I look like a Barbie doll or anything. I'm in my mid-40s, have a slouching stomach after losing 100 lbs. over the last couple of years, have always been a curvey woman with plenty of insecurities related to my body so I found it a bit surprising how often this has happened this summer. Maybe it's because Oregon has these legal clothing optional beaches. I don't know. Funny how when I am down on the beach with my boyfriend (who has been a nudist for over 20 years and opened my eyes to the fact that I've been a closet nudist since I was a kid)

The two times it got scary (one was a jerking off situation and the other, someone older than my father grabbed my arm and asked me "how big are your boobies"), a fellow nudist (same gentleman both times) - 1) chased the guys off (yes, I do stay near people... I like some distance, quiet, but I'm not completely clueless); and 2) reported the events to the park ranger.

Both times, the ranger came down and interviewed me, they had vehicle licenses, and I agreed to press charges. I've read plenty of posts here contemplating why more women don't get into this lifestyle. Obviously, my experiences aren't unique.

But, I decided to press charges, not just for me, but for other women who might not be willing to do the same.

And in closing, after I typed my response above, I almost deleted it, because I don't want to scare women off of the beaches. But I didn't.

My real message here is that everyone is entitled to be nude without unwanted advances, there are things that someone can do to ward these off (I was just looking for a little more insight on how to avoid this since I thought the 50% number was a bit higher than I would have thought).

Finally and most importantly, the nudist community is wonderful. People who don't know me from Eve have risen in my defense, more than once. After the second time, I finally got their names.

P.S. I'm going back out on Sunday... a few bad apples will not keep me from enjoying the other fruits I am discovering in this lifestyle. I feel this is one of the best posts I've read on this forum in quite a while. Great attitude. And the responses are helpful. Experience is speaking. This is why the forum exists, to promote social nudism and help each other along with the community.

I see you're new around here but I hope you decide to stay and share. And it took me a few looks to figure it out, but your avatar is a woman wearing a colorful hat. I like that too.

Have a nude day...

[EricNY]

AANR Recommends calling the authorities, and let them handle it.

They recommend when you do call the authorities to identify yourself as a nudist trying to use the beach as it was intended and the people you are reporting are not.

Secondly AANR requests that you call them or email them and let them know where this happened, who was called and the response. This will help them follow up and help protect that area.

[Sanslines]

AANR Recommends calling the authorities, and let them handle it.

They recommend when you do call the authorities to identify yourself as a nudist trying to use the beach as it was intended and the people you are reporting are not.

Secondly AANR requests that you call them or email them and let them know where this happened, who was called and the response. This will help them follow up and help protect that area.

On Black's beach, the 'authorities' would be the police. The lifeguards have been asked many times to get involved with the beach pervert problem but generally refuse to do so for their job is to save lives in the water and not patrol the beach for inappropriate behavior.

I know of one woman who told me that she actually phoned the police on her cell phone concerning a pervert problem. The police initially thought that it was a prank phone call from some weirdo and then followed up by asking her why she was nude on a California beach as doing so is illegal. (She was not going to get involved with details of the Cahill Policy, etc as she needed help and not more headaches). In the end, she got off the phone for the police seemed to be more interested in issuing her a ticket for indecent exposure then dealing with an alleged pervert.

[EricNY]

Well one alleged instance is not enough to change my mind..... AANR and the NAC should always be notified via email or a phone call.

The more they hear from us the more they can help protect our rights and lands

[MeBNude]

See... hear... here... thank you.

This is the great advise and debate that is so welcome. :yes: I just didn't think as a three day newbie that this would be a new thread.

[NudeAl]

As distasteful as the topic if it helps bring to light some successful methods for dealing with this behavior then it is well worth it. I personally am apalled to hear that out of your visits to the beach both Collins and Roster Rock 50% of the time you have had this problem. I don't think I can over state how important it is to choose your location wisely. I think the natural tendency is to try to find a quiet out of the way spot but that is a mistake.Try to set up in the busiest section that has a good mix of male and females and things may improve. I love Collins beach and I am sadened to hear how bad the experience has been for you.

[FireProf]

See... hear... here... thank you.

This is the great advise and debate that is so welcome. :yes: I just didn't think as a three day newbie that this would be a new thread.

You're right....it's not something new and it has been discussed here before but it's good to have these topics resurface every so often when new people join. Also, there are other members that have joined in the mean time and they can add their experiences and advice...as well as those that have been here for a while that can think of new ideas.

FP

[miracleman]

Im also sorry to hear of behavior that it totally unacceptable like you have described to us.Those types of people cause so much harm to nudism. Thankgoodness they are such a minority but even that is too many! I know a woman who had a similar situation happen as some moron sat nearby and started to masterbate ! She told me how she looked directly at his penis and laughed about his 'small size'. It did make him go away...quickly to.
Best wishes to you.

[NudeAl]

That may be an effective strategy something along the lines of what Paul Linde once said. While he was on the Hollywood Squares game show he was asked the following question, what are two things you should never do in bed? To which Paul replied, "Point and laugh."

[miracleman]

Hahaha! Thats funny ! Thanks Al!

[Bluetaylor]

MeBnude - witnessing this half the time is a lot. It's good to hear you will not let it deter you from enjoying the park though. Is it always the same person or something?

I suppose calling authorities might be ok like post above mentioned from AANR. But, from what I gather, reading around on here, the AANR prefers to look after clubs and they do not have too much interest in areas outside of a club? I don't know if it is totally true, but just the vib I got from reading around. Even if your at a legal nude park location, the more the officer is called, I'd guess it gives more ammunition - who knows, maybe the quantity of reports could close the place down for nude use? Either way, it sounds like a classic case of a few bad apples that could spoil it for all and it's such a shame.

I've been to Haulover and have not seen nothing that extreme. I did see some guy flaunting an erection, but he was quickly approached but fellow nudist and life guard and asked to leave so off he went. Even with the wierdos hiding cameras and stuff like that, the nudist beach goers gather together and handle their own and thats good to see.

[BinCo]

The funniest movie scene involving a perv like this was in Pink Cadillac. Bernadette Peters was in a convertible on the Las Vegas strip when a guy walks up and opens his overcoat. He says something like Hey baby what do you think of this? Her reply: Looks like a penis, only smaller.

My vote: get a cell phone pic and e-mail or mms it to your home. Call the police and let them know that there is a perv and you have a pic of him. If they guy gives you any grief, shout NO at the top of your lungs and run to the nearest group of people. If you get a chance to speak to the guy, let him know that you will be pressing charges and will push the prosecutor to have him put on the sexual predator/offender list.

[MeBNude]

Thank you all for the advise. It all makes sense to me. And just so you know, my previous experiences have not scared me off... I'm going to the beach today now that the sun has come out.

One other thought... I saw this being proposed by a Moderator in another forum... we have two places for women's and men's issues. I suppose that men get cruised by other men, too, but I would believe that this is more of a problem for women. So, that is why I posted my question in this forum.

Anyway, there was a proposal to make private forums for men only and women only and delete these other public forums. I'm not sure that I'm on board with that for two reasons - 1) advise from men on some issues which women face in our society is invaluable; and 2) the number of male members far outweigh the number of female members here. I like lots of voices and ideas and wouldn't want to be limited.

Thoughts on this? Also, suggestions as to where I might also post this to get to the moderators? The thought came in on an unrelated thread in forum (oooh... right, on the discussion of penis size), but I was wondering if there might not be a better place to discuss this.

The topic does seem pretty important to me.

O.K. I am off to the beach, I will be there in 45 minutes!!!

[JoseO42]

Sorry to hear that you had to experience that. I really hate people like that. They ruin an otherwise enjoyable experience. I tend to see if there are any security officials like park rangers or lifeguards so that they can inform them of what is occurring.

If you do decide to confront them regarding their behavior, make sure to do it as a group. You never know what they might try if you are alone.

Hopefully you wont experience that again any time soon.

[maliakei]

Sorry to hear your experiences at the beach. I get that all the time.. the resort, the beach.. Total strangers asking to photograph me. You did right in standing your ground! If it feels weird, listen to your gut instincts. Amazing how that one guy took hold of your arm like that.. No one should touch anyone! These are the kind who tarnish it for everybody else. I like your attitude, but please be very careful going there alone. Bring a friend or stay close to a group. Better yet, tell the pests you like taking pics of beach pervs to place via the Internet. You will see how fast they turn away.. Good luck.

[KW]

Unfortunately, your experiences aren't uncommon, MeBNude. But I'm glad they haven't kept you from going back!

I go to Rooster Rock a lot because it's close to where I live. But I think I have yet to visit there without being hit on by some guy or other! I usually just give an evil eye, and go on about my business. I've never wanted to involve the rangers, but maybe that's a guy thing. (Preferring to be self-sufficient, not asking for directions, etc.)

Believe it or not, it used to be a lot worse about 10 years ago. But efforts were made to provide a clean, family friendly nudist environment, and they've largely succeeded.

Anyway, hats off to your bravery, and welcome to the Oregon c/o beachgoing fraternity!

[baboon]

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[mikeinchch]

My advice to the ladies (and it's sort of been covered here) - keep a cellphone handy with a reasonable camera on it, if you're by yourself.

I had a female nudist friend encounter this kind of situation once when she went sunbathing on a local nude beach one morning a few years ago. This guy was standing in the bushes not too far away, pants open and playing with himself.

Now my friend is a pretty confident woman, and wasn't going to put up with that.

She jumped up, and quickly took a photo of him with everything on show. He quickly realized what she'd done, then he panicked, pulled his pants up and ran towards the car park. She went after him and took another picture of him getting into his car - number plate included. He took off very quickly.

Both pictures were handed to the police. She found out later he was well known for bothering nudists, and he was charged with performing a lewd act in public (I think it was from memory).

My friend never saw him again. :D

From my experience - the pervs don't like it when people get in their face, especially when they get caught doing something they shouldn't be. Most of them scare easily. Yelling at them will draw attention to them, and they usually make a hasty retreat.

[PappaBare]

If I were at a beach, and someone was hiding in the bushes taking pictures of me, I wouldn't mind except that I want copies. I'm not doing anything perverted in the open. But sometimes the best pictures of people is when they do not know they are being taken. I may take 20 continuous shots, just to get the best one out of the bunch. Facial expressions can be priceless in the natural.

Differant setting: I have been on vacation with family and friends so much, and taking pictures of a natural expressions is a pain. They see the camera come up and fake smiles or forced expressions seems to be the norm. As a photographer on the side, I'm not looking for fake, but the natural look.

Now I never would take pictures of a Naturist gathering or Naturist Beach without permission from those there.

[natravellers]

someone older than my father grabbed my arm and asked me "how big are your boobies"),

This pisses me off to no end. In my book that's assault. A couple of options come to mind in a situation such as this: a swift kick to the 'nads followed by yelling rape or next time be carrying a small wrist/keychain canister of pepper spray and use it. You won't be bothered again.

[MeBNude]

This pisses me off to no end. In my book that's assault.

Thank you for your indignent outrage here, Natravellers. But by the end of this summer, I never felt more comfortable. I met so many nice people. And the gentleman who did come over to check if I needed help at that particular moment walked the mile to the ranger station and the police were called. This was after he cursed the guy out up and down the beach.

I've learned a lot in my first summer of social/public nudism, and a lot of it have have learned here from all of you with great experiences and great ideas.

Thank you.:dance:

[Dario Western]

Kick sand in their faces and give them a mouthful of expletives as well as some cruel comments about their penises and they will never bother you again. Perverts are afraid of confident and forthright women.

[baregreg]

Kick sand in their faces and give them a mouthful of expletives as well as some cruel comments about their penises and they will never bother you again. Perverts are afraid of confident and forthright women.
And this is coming from a guy who wouldn't support his girlfriend when she was harassed. Because you were to tired to stand up to the dude. :rolleyes:
You're a joke.

I was going to post a link at SkinBook in regards to this, however the thread has been deleted.

[Dario Western]

Don't go dragging threads from other forums into here, Greg. FWIW, this was what happened:

I went to Sunshine Families to meet a fellow and his wife who wanted to meet me after having exchanged 10 emails with them, he had heard of me through a mutual friend so the last thing that I wanted to do was start a fight at the place due to the owner being drunk and indelicate with what he was talking about.

Secondly, I drove about 2.5 hours out from Brisbane to meet him and I didn't want to punch out the owner only to get evicted and possibly have the police on my tail.

This happened ten years ago and things have changed with me and my attitude since then. Anybody in the local nudist field knows that if they get on the wrong side of me or anyone I bring to a nudist gathering they are liable to character assasination.

[baregreg]

Don't go dragging threads from other forums into here, Greg.
I didn't know you were a moderator here. :rolleyes:

Anybody in the local nudist field knows that if they get on the wrong side of me or anyone I bring to a nudist gathering they are liable to character assasination.
Wow - Tough guy. :cuckoo:

I stand by previous post. I know what you said.

[MeBNude]

Anybody in the local nudist field knows that if they get on the wrong side of me or anyone I bring to a nudist gathering they are liable to character assasination.

O.K., let's keep the sand kicking and character assasinations to a minimum here and on the beaches. You're starting to seem a little scary in print... but that happens in print sometimes. :surprised:

[wynotbnude]

O.K., let's keep the sand kicking and character assasinations to a minimum here and on the beaches. You're starting to seem a little scary in print... but that happens in print sometimes. :surprised:

Well said, MeBNude. Violence breeds more violence, either physical or verbal, as seen in the previous posts. I have seen this in some of the other threads as well, usually the more political ones, ie: health care and Obama. Lots of name calling and broad charactarizations based on party affiliations. It is one thing to have a healthy debate on the issues and try to convince those with opposing opinions to see the our side. But quite another when we attack each other with the likes of facist, natzi, dummycrats, repucs, etc......
I, for one, did not become a member of this community, to be a part of, or witness to that kind of disrespect. For me, that only shuts the door for any mutual understanding, puts me on the defensive, and more likely to lash back in anger.
One the other hand, the vast majority of the members here are extremely nice and helpfull. Looking out for each other seems to be the norm. Which leads us back to the original post in this thread. Looking out for each other and offering assistance when it is needed seems to be the most logical answer.
Thanks for letting me preach to the choir.

p.s. I sure wish spell check was available here!!:peace:

[northlondoner]

I hope we can all agree that perverts should be challenged, as that will usually be effective. Suffering in silence is not the right way- too many people just give up and stop using such facilities I think.