Commercial egg industry

[baregreg]

This turned my stomach. Sure makes one think twice before eating another egg. :(

Warning! Highly graphic and MIGHT make you sick.
http://www.mercyforanimals.org/hatchery/

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[Arnabas]

Who needs horror films when we have real life?

[MoonShadow]

Not all egg laying chickens came from these corporate agri-conglomerates. You can find out BEFORE you buy eggs where they come from. Ask your grocery for eggs that are from egg laying chickens that are local to your state or area. If they don't know (and they should) call your local Ag Department/Extension Division.

Only recently has the handling of cows, steers, pigs, and chickens been brought under the scrunity of the Dept of Agri, the FDA, and other industry overseers in humane treatment of these animals. However, with the demand for high production, animals live very short lives in crowed conditions before they are slaughtered for their meat. This is global.

I don't support any of these inhumane methods such as what was shown in the film; however, I am not a vegen and do eat meat but I eat free range animals' flesh. It costs more but I pay the extra to have some meat in my diet. I don't eat meat every day either; only eat about three times a week while the rest of my diet is whole grains, fruits, vegetables, nuts, and dairy.

[Pumpkinpie]

This is horrible but what can we do? its the same with chickens ,cows, turkeys, lamb, deer,all different kind of poultry's etc, especially when the holidays comes around, they all get slaughter one way or the other don't they ? this video is horrible to watch its in humane, I don't eat meat everyday mostly soy or tofu, fish,fruits ,vegetables, mixed dry fruits or raw nuts, I drink juices, milk, I have a balance diet with nutrition.

[baregreg]

I really don't get some people around here.
I see now I have a red square for my karma because of this post.
The reason was because they (didn't leave name) wanted to know why I would post this on a nudist forum.
The forum I posted this in is "Open Conversation Talk about anything! Cars, politics, current events, etc"
So to whoever thinks this was wrong please post here as to why. There are political threads left and right here.

So what did I do wrong :confused:

[MoonShadow]

That's terrible, baregreg! I think the whole rep feature should be eliminated.

If someone doesn't like something you post, they rep you, so-to-speak. I don't think negative reps should even be an option.

[baregreg]

That's terrible, baregreg! I think the whole rep feature should be eliminated.

If someone doesn't like something you post, they rep you, so-to-speak. I don't think negative reps should even be an option.
Thanks Moon :)
I think it's more then likely someone who carried over my negative remarks in regards to Mike Jackson. :rolleyes:

I really have a hard time as to how someone would be pissed about this subject??????????? :confused:

I'm an old fart from the 70's and I've learned you can't please everyone so you might as well please yourself. I listen to this daily to remind me of that. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_exY9ptMbA

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[Kouak]

I've had both positive and negative reps on the same post. Funny thing is the negative reps was due to the person not understanding what I was saying. So instead of waiting until I replied to his post rebutting my comments, he zapped me. Whatever!

Don't fret over it. Like anything in life, enjoy the positives and don't let the negatives get you down. Life's too short.

[FoUTASportscaster]

Greg, I added to your rep to counter the other negative. Though I don't approve of the post, I don't disapprove of it either.

[maliakei]

I've had both positive and negative reps on the same post. Funny thing is the negative reps was due to the person not understanding what I was saying. So instead of waiting until I replied to his post rebutting my comments, he zapped me. Whatever!

Don't fret over it. Like anything in life, enjoy the positives and don't let the negatives get you down. Life's too short.

I believe this has happened to me too. People will perceive something in a very different context than what it's intended to be. Like you & Baregreg, I never mean to post anything to offend anybody either!

Greg, I added to your rep to counter the other negative. Though I don't approve of the post, I don't disapprove of it either.

Good! There is a difference, approving a person vs. approving a post. I watched the video and saw it as real, yet very graphic. Seeing innocent baby chicks handled like that, then cheated out of a precious life was to educate awareness, but the video could have been seen, like in a different set of eyes, too repulsive or to rile-up anger?

There seems to be 2 rating systems on CF. Rating the entire topic with stars, or rating the post with a disapprove or approve. The problem is getting a bad rep. Some folks are not shy, rather bold about their opinions & beliefs on certain topics, so there's bound to be opposition. Koauk is right, life is too short so enjoy the positives. Baregreg, don't let a tiny red reputation dot get you down. It's just not worth it!

[Lavandermist]

I saw a similar documentary of this on the Discovery Channel on TV. It had bothered me that they handled the chicks so roughly but what I DIDN'T KNOW was that they killed the males... IN A GRINDER ... :disappointed:

[OZJames]

I think that the UTube animal liberation film would look shocking to vegetarians and may also look shocking to meat eaters. I am a meat eating cattle farmer.

Most of the chicken handling was, in my opinion NOT cruel. Chickens are very small and have a thick layer of soft feathers. Being pushed around by the hands of the factory workers would not hurt them . They did not react as if they were terrified or being hurt, they just bounced around an picked themselves up.

On the other hand the de beaking looked awful and I think that should be changed so as not to be so cruel. De beaking is done so that when the chickens grow up they do not peck each other doing frightfull damage to each other. The factory owners would of course argue that the slight pain/discomfort of the de beaking process is far better than letting the chickens do what comes naturally to them i.e. peck each other, very often to death. The process of killing the male chickens is probably very humane. It would be so quick that there would be no pain. Most people feel that killing any animal/bird is not pleasant and despite being meat eaters, would not kill an animal themselves.

This topic brings to the fore many issues that we all debate the rights and wrongs. "Right to life" (animals and human), the right to kill animals, human foetus abortion, animal meat production versus crops, pesticides used in crops, the dangers of an unbalanced vegetarian diet. Every meat eater must know that in order to eat meat animals are KILLED. Killing is not a pleasant practice and inevitably will involve some cruelty despite all the best efforts to minimise cruelty.

I respect every persons right to have and express their own view on any topic. BUT it is very hard to counter expensive advertising/publicity giving a very one sided argument on ANY subject. Animal liberationists would have us allowing all animals to live naturally in the WILD. "Wild" is the key word, nature itself is VERY cruel, animals do terrible things to each other, terror, cruelty, starvation, bullying, torture, untreated disease are all part of animals and birds living in nature. As a cattle farmer I put a huge effort into making the lives of my grass fed cows comfortable, keep them well fed and free from disease and to regularly produce happy and beautiful, calves. At some time later we kill the young cattle as humanely as possible and eat them - that's life. That is far removed from what would be the case if they just ran free in nature. If chickens were let to run free they would be disease ridden, many would starve, be eaten by rats, snakes, cats, dogs etc, very few would survive.

There is a substantial move, in Australia and probably USA at least, away from factory chicken meat & egg production to FREE RANGE meat and egg production. People should and do influence food production methods by "voting with their feet" i.e. not buying factory produced meat and eggs and buying organic and free range chicken meat and eggs - I have no argument with that.

Sorry about this rambling on -

[silver_tree]

Free range chicken is always preferable. It may take some research but is available. But be aware that it probably won't be as cheap as the birds from a factory. The same goes for free range eggs.

[BinCo]

Free range chicken is always preferable. It may take some research but is available. But be aware that it probably won't be as cheap as the birds from a factory. The same goes for free range eggs.

That's what we go for. Kosher is another way to be quite sure that they are treated well.

This is a mass mill and it's disgusting. How can these people sleep at night knowing what they work at?

[maliakei]

I think that the UTube animal liberation film would look shocking to vegetarians and may also look shocking to meat eaters. I am a meat eating cattle farmer.

Most of the chicken handling was, in my opinion NOT cruel. Chickens are very small and have a thick layer of soft feathers. Being pushed around by the hands of the factory workers would not hurt them . They did not react as if they were terrified or being hurt, they just bounced around an picked themselves up.

On the other hand the de beaking looked awful and I think that should be changed so as not to be so cruel. De beaking is done so that when the chickens grow up they do not peck each other doing frightfull damage to each other. The factory owners would of course argue that the slight pain/discomfort of the de beaking process is far better than letting the chickens do what comes naturally to them i.e. peck each other, very often to death. The process of killing the male chickens is probably very humane. It would be so quick that there would be no pain. Most people feel that killing any animal/bird is not pleasant and despite being meat eaters, would not kill an animal themselves.

I understand the reasoning for the de-beaking process, but don't see the logic behind killing the males by tossing them into a grinder. Even if it's a quick death, what purpose does this serve except maybe the expense of feeding them? What exactly does happen to the remains? Are they used as fertilizer or feed? Is it true that we only eat female chickens? I have yet to see rooster selling at the grocers. I would think the females would be kept as egg-layers, and the surplus males be used as meat.

[MeBNude]

Free range eggs, chicken, turkey, and other animals can be found at natural food stores like Whole Foods, but any natural food store, or at least progressive stores will carry them.

You can also get these products at your local farmers' market. I vote with my checkbook, and while it is more expensive, so I eat meat less. It is worth it for me. I know that I would be a vegetarian if I had to kill my own meat. The one time I went fishing in Nevada, I threw up when I put the hook through the live grasshopper that we were using as bait.

So, I appreciate those caring farmers and ranchers that let me have meat on occasion. :eat:

Extra cost also applies to organic fruits and vegetables, but as these products are so much more gentle to the environment, I'm willing to put my dollars into that as well.

[maliakei]

Extra cost also applies to organic fruits and vegetables, but as these products are so much more gentle to the environment, I'm willing to put my dollars into that as well.

I'm all for the envionment. No, I have never been one to be squeamish, nor has my mother when it comes to scaling, gutting, cutting fish. Everything eventually recycles itself. I rarely eat red meat though, a totally meatless diet is not for me. If cost is too high, then I don't buy or smart shop elsewhere.

[timothyc]

I have been a vegetarian since I was a teenager. I could personaly never go back to eating meat knowing it is a dead animal. My aunt used to raise, her own chickend for meat and eggs. They used to kill them themselves. When I was about 12 years old my mother tried to get me go with her to go when they were killing the chickens and help pluck them but that was one time I said no way was anyone ever for anything in the world going to get me involved in killing and plucking dead chickens. That was one thing I was never going to be involved in and my mother gave up. On a farm where you raise your own meat it may or may not be avoidable to have the kids see it but for everyone else I do not believe that any kid should against their will if they feel strongly against should be forced to be involved in the killing of animals. My aunt sold the last of her chickens several years ago.

[baregreg]

That's terrible, baregreg! I think the whole rep feature should be eliminated.

If someone doesn't like something you post, they rep you, so-to-speak. I don't think negative reps should even be an option.

I've had both positive and negative reps on the same post. Funny thing is the negative reps was due to the person not understanding what I was saying. So instead of waiting until I replied to his post rebutting my comments, he zapped me. Whatever!

Don't fret over it. Like anything in life, enjoy the positives and don't let the negatives get you down. Life's too short.

Greg, I added to your rep to counter the other negative. Though I don't approve of the post, I don't disapprove of it either.

I believe this has happened to me too. People will perceive something in a very different context than what it's intended to be. Like you & Baregreg, I never mean to post anything to offend anybody either!



Good! There is a difference, approving a person vs. approving a post. I watched the video and saw it as real, yet very graphic. Seeing innocent baby chicks handled like that, then cheated out of a precious life was to educate awareness, but the video could have been seen, like in a different set of eyes, too repulsive or to rile-up anger?

There seems to be 2 rating systems on CF. Rating the entire topic with stars, or rating the post with a disapprove or approve. The problem is getting a bad rep. Some folks are not shy, rather bold about their opinions & beliefs on certain topics, so there's bound to be opposition. Koauk is right, life is too short so enjoy the positives. Baregreg, don't let a tiny red reputation dot get you down. It's just not worth it!
Thanks all. I see I'm back in the green as of now. Thanks to the others, who also who gave me a positive rep.

I know it shouldn't matter whether it's green or red. But it bugged me for some reason.

Thanks :)

[gmoney]

I have been a vegetarian since I was a teenager. I could personaly never go back to eating meat knowing it is a dead animal. My aunt used to raise, her own chickend for meat and eggs. They used to kill them themselves. When I was about 12 years old my mother tried to get me go with her to go when they were killing the chickens and help pluck them but that was one time I said no way was anyone ever for anything in the world going to get me involved in killing and plucking dead chickens. That was one thing I was never going to be involved in and my mother gave up. On a farm where you raise your own meat it may or may not be avoidable to have the kids see it but for everyone else I do not believe that any kid should against their will if they feel strongly against should be forced to be involved in the killing of animals. My aunt sold the last of her chickens several years ago.

Really?
Why do you think children shouldnt be exposed to what happens in the real world?
I think just the opposite. Every child should be made to learn where their food comes from, how it is a taken and prepared.
That would help solve way more problems in this world than sheltering them to think that what they see in the grocery store is what they get.

[country nude]

I understand the reasoning for the de-beaking process, but don't see the logic behind killing the males by tossing them into a grinder. Even if it's a quick death, what purpose does this serve except maybe the expense of feeding them? What exactly does happen to the remains? Are they used as fertilizer or feed? Is it true that we only eat female chickens? I have yet to see rooster selling at the grocers. I would think the females would be kept as egg-layers, and the surplus males be used as meat.

This is the egg industry. Male chickens obviously dont produce eggs, so this is really the only sensible option until science can produce a way to have hens lay only female eggs at a reasonable cost. The male chicks could be raised to produce meat, but that would be too inefficient; why feed birds that dont produce eggs when the egg-layers provide just as good meat?