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Naturist Mark

02-10-2007, 07:29 AM

The following letter posted on the DOMAI website was pointed out to me as coming from one of our new members. I think it has some nice points about the healing power of social nudity:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>Dear DOMAI

Hi, I am a 22 year old woman writing to you from my social rehab home. I suffer from high functioning Autism, slight brain injure and other stuff. I was shy, scared, depressed, a self injurer, suicidal, and hated my body with all my mind! I couldn't even look at my own face in a Mirror.

Four months ago I moved from my parents home and became one person. Not my dad, not my mum, not my brother but ME! I started going to a nudist day resort. I had been been nude a few times by my self, but I thought I was ugly and some people would be mean to me about it if they found out.

The first day I went to the resort I was a mess of feelings my parents were mad at me that day, I was having trouble with my horse, and I felt uglier than ever. I didn't know what people would think of me and what they would say if they saw me nude, but I got brave. And walked out.

And nobody said any thing. That day was one of the best days in my life! I felt beautiful! I started taking my journal with me there whenever I go. I have changed SO much. I LOVE my body, I think I'm pretty even! I even believe people when they say I'm pretty now. I haven't self injured in SIX months! And have NO scars!! THANK YOU JESUS!!!

I can look at my whole body now in a mirror and even be nude. My depression has for the most part gone away. And I don't think about my so called problems any more. I don't want to die either! I want to help people by what I've been through, and that is why today I share my story with you.

Your web site has really helped me realize that no matter who I am, I am a beautiful woman. No matter what I go though I'm still a beautiful woman. And no matter what name plates people put on me, I'M ALWAYS A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN! Thank you very much for your web site, maybe some day soon I'll be modeling for you!

Rebekah
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Congratulations Rebekah. I hope you continue to gain self confidence and joy of life.

-Mark

Naturist Mark

02-10-2007, 07:29 AM

simonsebs

02-10-2007, 07:42 AM

I'm happy for this lady. I just hope she comes back. I'm afraid she might have gotten scared off of this board because of what happened on another topic.
She posted on the Open Con. section about George Bush. When she said she supported him, she got made fun of for it, and also for poor spelling.
What's worse is that a few people accused her of being a troll. As I've said on another topic, we should give people the benefit of the doubt. Doing things like what has been done to this woman, may scare people away from the board and from learning something valuable.

Sanslines

02-10-2007, 07:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by simonsebs:
I'm happy for this lady. I just hope she comes back. I'm afraid she might have gotten scared off of this board because of what happened on another topic.
She posted on the Open Con. section about George Bush. When she said she supported him, she got made fun of for it, and also for poor spelling.
What's worse is that a few people accused her of being a troll. As I've said on another topic, we should give people the benefit of the doubt. Doing things like what has been done to this woman, may scare people away from the board and from learning something valuable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with what you have said above. We should give everyone the benefit of the doubt even if a few turn out to be something other then what they claim to be. Being 100 percent certain that someone is mostly genuine or not can be a very tricky thing to determine on line.

As an aside to this topic, back in the not so old days, when MSN chat was alive and well, I was a 'gold hammer owner' in a naturist room. As a room moderator, I came into contact with a huge variety of people with very different backgrounds. On several occasions people turned out to be something very different then what they were in real life. In one case, an older woman with cancer pretended to be a much younger woman. She did this in order to gain acceptance. In another case, an older man with medical problems and who was obviously very lonely pretended to be a young woman.

Even though I do not condone deception, I have come to understand many of the reasons for it. In many cases, people who deceive feel rejected by the real world society for a variety of reasons (ie health, appearance, age discrimination, lack of social skills, etc) and feel compelled to come on line and create a new image that others will accept. Even though we might not agree with deception, I don't think that we should immediately use this as a reason to attack or ridicule someone for we might never know the real reasons for the deception.

Unwired

02-10-2007, 08:09 AM

Those who read the other thread in its entirety then couldn't have missed the point that this "young woman" originally said that he or she was a 23-y/o male specifically seeking female naturists to hang with. And the original posting (which was subsequently withdrawn after another member tactfully and politely pointed out that it might be an uphill battle) didn't contain any of the spelling or grammatical errors or affectations that the more recent posts do.

I don't know the whole story, only what I've said before: there are people who love to leverage and take advantage of the attention and sympathy they might receive from pretending to be something they're not. Particularly if that something happens to be young and female in a nudist discussion forum. This probably wouldn't even be an issue had the member not pulled a gender-switcheroo in the first place. But I don't appreciate being deceived, and based on the original intent, I'm not buying it. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but a little healthy skepticism is a good thing.

UW

tiger79

02-10-2007, 08:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unwired:
But I don't appreciate being deceived, and based on the original intent, I'm not buying it. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but a little healthy skepticism is a good thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Please see my PM to you.

Naturist Mark

02-10-2007, 08:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Those who read the other thread in its entirety then couldn't have missed the point that this "young woman" originally said that he or she was a 23-y/o male specifically seeking female naturists to hang with ... I don't appreciate being deceived </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Understood, but I'm pretty sympathetic to the notion that a female posting on the internet, not to mention to a nudist board, might choose a male persona. Indeed I suspect that a few of the guys around here have two x chromosomes.

By the way Unwired ... your current avatar could get you arrested in Boston (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/01/boston.bombscare/index.html?eref=rss_topstories) . I'm just saying.

Unwired

02-10-2007, 09:24 AM

Let's just say that there are way too many holes in the story, both here and elsewhere. As for the letter to DOMAI, considering the source I would class that as about as credible as a letter to Penthouse...full of stuff that the intended audience likes to read, but ultimately without much basis in reality.

As for the Mooninites "terrorist scare" in Boston...let's just say that the people who called it in...which ultimately led to the resignation (http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/07/02/10/0053232.shtml) of Cartoon Network CEO Jim Samples...are a bunch of nerds.

http://www.geocities.com/unwired_nudist/litebrite.jpg

UW

"You have deeply offended us and our god. And our god is a god of vengeance and horror." - Ignignokt

Naturist Mark

02-10-2007, 10:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">let's just say that the people who called it in...which ultimately led to the resignation of Cartoon Network CEO Jim Samples...are a bunch of nerds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL

I suspect the nerds recognized the Mooninites ... it was fools who let their fears carry themselves away, and were too pompous to back off once they knew their error. Then again, maybe their foolish over-reaction was calculated. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/05/us/05cnd-hoax.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) Odd that there was no panic in the 10 other cities the Mooninites 'terrorized' - they must be full of nerds.

-Mark

LamontCranston

02-10-2007, 11:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Odd that there was no panic in the 10 other cities the Mooninites 'terrorized' - they must be full of nerds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> If you have lived in or near Boston, you'd understand.

They refer to that city as The Hub, as in hub of the universe.

Corruption top to bottom, unions, organized crime, training ground for bank robbery, the works. Decades of it, maybe centuries.

Where else can one brother run the state legislature while the other sits on the FBI's Most Wanted list?

Where else can they build a tunnel for $12 billion plus and have it leaking and falling apart within a year or two of completion?

Never mind global warming, that city still dumps raw sewage into Boston Harbor. Read about the Mass. Water Resources Authority (MWRA) sometime.

Boston's a joke... except for the baseball team.

missouriboy

02-11-2007, 07:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Corruption top to bottom, unions, organized crime, training ground for bank robbery, the works. Decades of it, maybe centuries. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And "Democrat" through and through. Hehehehehe... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

Naturist Mark

02-11-2007, 08:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And "Democrat" through and through. Hehehehehe... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, Weld, Cellucci, Swift, Romney. Democrats all.

-Mark

walter05

02-13-2007, 11:38 AM

Unfortunately, the terrorist threat is real. The FBI would rather people call in possible threats than try to decide if they are real.

The people calling it in were doing the correct thing. One day, those people may save a lot of lives.

The people who think they are so smart that they can always spot the real threats will enable terrorists to strike.

NudeAl

02-13-2007, 04:00 PM

If these same concerned citizens are too stupid to tell the difference between a childrens game and an obivious adolescent style prank then I don't want them calling anything in. I'd prefer they sit in there little bomb shelters and play Yahtzi while the rest of us get on with living. Seriously if you are too timid or too stupid to know the difference perhaps you should check yourself into a mental hospital at least there you'll have plenty of new people interested in your conspiracy theories.

walter05

02-14-2007, 07:10 AM

NudAl;

Some of those devices were in tunnels. I am assuming that people driving by did not have time to see them for long. They would not have had a chance to see all of those details. Seeing something suspcious, they called the authorities.

This is what people in Israel, the U.K. and other countries where there have been more terrorist attacks. Unfortunately, the U.S. is now in a similar state.

I am thankful, that others put safety first. I am thankful that your life may be saved by one of those people.

Naturist Mark

02-14-2007, 07:26 AM

Whoa pardner ... we aren't saying that suspicious objects shouldn't be reported. It is the willful over-reaction after the fact that we are criticizing.

It is fair to tell the people involved to NOT do this type of unapproved advertising that can backfire. But it is quite something else to continue to call them 'Hoax Bombers' when they are manifestly and obviously not, and to criminally charge them using words like terrorism is despicable.

How would you feel if the TSA and media called you a "Hoax Shoe Bomber" if they made you remove your shoes at the airport and DIDN'T find a bomb?

-Mark

simonsebs

02-25-2007, 12:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unwired:
Those who read the other thread in its entirety then couldn't have missed the point that this "young woman" originally said that he or she was a 23-y/o male specifically seeking female naturists to hang with. And the original posting (which was subsequently withdrawn after another member tactfully and politely pointed out that it might be an uphill battle) didn't contain any of the spelling or grammatical errors or affectations that the more recent posts do.

I don't know the whole story, only what I've said before: there are people who love to leverage and take advantage of the attention and sympathy they might receive from pretending to be something they're not. Particularly if that something happens to be young and female in a nudist discussion forum. This probably wouldn't even be an issue had the member not pulled a gender-switcheroo in the first place. But I don't appreciate being deceived, and based on the original intent, I'm not buying it. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but a little healthy skepticism is a good thing.

UW </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I suppose it just me being naive, but I tend to take people at their word. I also expect people to do the same of me, then again I may just be more honest than some people.

Kenv

03-02-2007, 03:45 AM

Hey Lamont,

You got it backwards, the baseball team is the joke!

Naturist Mark- Those people you mentioned, are the ONLY non-Democrats in the state.

Naturist Mark

03-02-2007, 05:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kenv:
Naturist Mark- Those people you mentioned, are the ONLY non-Democrats in the state. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Massachusetts had 4 Republican governors in a row. That suggests the state is somewhat less than totally Democrat. Eh?

-Mark

stomper69

03-02-2007, 01:08 PM

People have said similar things about New York,yet people love it,go figure.I won't even get started on their overpriced losing team.Any of them.

Kenv

03-04-2007, 05:34 PM

N. Mark,

Well of course that was an exaggeration, but you can't be implying that Massachusetts is anything but the most liberal, or nearly the most liberal state in the union.

foux003

03-18-2007, 08:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kenv:
N. Mark,

Well of course that was an exaggeration, but you can't be implying that Massachusetts is anything but the most liberal, or nearly the most liberal state in the union. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Massachusetts Liberal? Thats the state where I almost got busted for taking a pee in the bushes behind a trash dumpster. The police said that if they had caught me I would have been put on the sexual offenders list.

foux003

03-18-2007, 09:14 AM

The BIG DIG. What a joke! The construction workers were given a durg screen each and every week. I know that as a fact because my step son was on one of the Big Dig construction crews. Major leaks, tunnel celing panels that fell and killed a woman, voids in the concrete on the new bridge and loads of brand new structural steel being sold as scrap. Coruption? NAW Not on Bean Town.

simonsebs

06-01-2007, 11:40 AM

Apparently she sent them a follow-up letter.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Dear DOMAI readers,

Some of you may remember me as the 22 year old woman with High Functioning Autism, who wrote about how DOMAI and a nudist club has helped me. I am now 23 years old, and my life has been turned upside down. Good ways and bad, not long after the newsletter about me came out.

From the letter a man named Bob (you know who you are) contacted me about a service dog. We talked over phone the next few months, from February to April. He asked me what I needed in a service dog and what this dog could do for me. All I know is I had to get one. My depression over the months was getting worse- for unknown reasons- and I just wanted to die.

My 23 birthday was on Friday April 13 this year. My best friends took me out even though I didn't even want to do ANY thing and made it very special for me. Thanks to them I had a good birthday.

I knew I was going to be getting my service dog soon. Someone I have never met, I owe a LOT of thanks and gratitude to. With out the down payment for the dog I don't know if I would still be alive because of my horrible depression. Thanks to this person I went and got my dog. It was a LONG trip! I traveled by bus and train ALL BY MYSELF!!! I have NEVER done that before. When I got there I couldn't meet my dog until the next day. I was a wreck! The next morning I got to meet him! His name is Chief- or as I named him "Hero's Chief". I named him that because he is a hero and it took heros to get him. That's just his full name. I call him Chieffi or Chieffi-Chief or just Chief.

Anyway I worked with him Saturday until late Monday night. We left for home Tuesday morning. This dog is SO calm! He slept the whole way back! And we traveled from 7am to 4pm. He is a GREAT dog. Chief is a 2 year old German Shepherd. Some nights he stays awake and makes sure I'm ok. He comes with me EVERYWHERE. He has even been with me to Kiva the spa and massage place I go to. I think he likes it there because every one else is like him.... NUDE... LOL!!!

Any way my mood had gone, on a one-to-ten scale, from a one, two, or three to a six, seven or eight. Some times it's lower, but then I go talk to Chief or just pet him.

I am leaving my housing this week or next. I'm hopefully going to get low income housing. I really praying on that one.

I will once in a while email an update to let you all know how we are doing. By the way I love the letters you all sent to Eolake, He forward them on to me. I love to hear from you!

With love, Rebekah

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

usuallylurk

06-09-2007, 08:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unwired:

As for the Mooninites "terrorist scare" in Boston...let's just say that the people who called it in...which ultimately led to the resignation of Cartoon Network CEO Jim Samples...are a bunch of nerds.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, proud to be a Boston nerd here.

We are a little jumpy. After all, there was an event on September 11, 2001 -- which was launched largely from, uh, .... gee, I forget.

And if those devices - designed to look like bombs - WERE for real, people would not be scoffing at our law enforcement.

Sure, there's corruption. Sure, we're liberals. But on the other hand - we have a healthy state economy, we have some of the best overall school systems, it's the home to many **world renonwed** universities -- including the "ultimate nerd school" = M.I.T.

Oh yeah, and we can walk the streets of Boston safely (I wouldn't walk in Houston at night! I wouldn't even go into a convenience store in Texas at night!) and we don't feel the need to carry guns around with us. I don't need my "equalizer" to feel safe on the streets of Boston.

We don't make parties out of capital punishment. I was in Toronto when Karla Faye Tucker was executed, and the people there were HORRIFIED at the carnival/party that was orchestrated over by .... uh...

by the way, a village in Texas is missing its idiot.

RichNH

06-10-2007, 05:57 AM

"Designed to look like bombs"? LOLOLOL I spent 9 years in the army in the combat arms, never saw bombs that looked like that, improvised or otherwise.

Oh and yeah, if you feel you can walk the streets safely in Boston you're either not walking the right streets or not paying attention to the local news. The only time I ever came close to using "my equalizer" was in Massachusetts.

Don't get me wrong, Boston's OK as a city and Mass is ok as a state (well, except for their propensity for keeping Teddy K in office), but it isn't the Utopia that some who live there think it is.

And that's the opinion from Cowhampshire.

Bob S.

06-10-2007, 07:43 PM

More holes in Rebekah's story.

I knew I was going to be getting my service dog soon. Someone I have never met, I owe a LOT of thanks and gratitude to. With out the down payment for the dog I don't know if I would still be alive because of my horrible depression. Thanks to this person I went and got my dog. It was a LONG trip! I traveled by bus and train ALL BY MYSELF!!! I have NEVER done that before. When I got there I couldn't meet my dog until the next day. I was a wreck! The next morning I got to meet him! His name is Chief- or as I named him "Hero's Chief". I named him that because he is a hero and it took heros to get him. That's just his full name. I call him Chieffi or Chieffi-Chief or just Chief.

Anyway I worked with him Saturday until late Monday night. We left for home Tuesday morning. This dog is SO calm! He slept the whole way back! And we traveled from 7am to 4pm. He is a GREAT dog. Chief is a 2 year old German Shepherd. Some nights he stays awake and makes sure I'm ok. He comes with me EVERYWHERE. He has even been with me to Kiva the spa and massage place I go to. I think he likes it there because every one else is like him.... NUDE... LOL!!!

Getting a service dog requires more than just a weekend to get to know the dog. It requires hard work to learn how to handle the dog and become close to the dog. That usually takes at minimum weeks and can go on for months.

Bob S.

Naturist Mark

06-10-2007, 08:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Getting a service dog requires more than just a weekend to get to know the dog. It requires hard work to learn how to handle the dog and become close to the dog. That usually takes at minimum weeks and can go on for months. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That may be correct.

Certainly it is true in the case of Guide Dogs for the Blind. I don't know that it is true for Autism Service Dogs or Therapy Dogs.