Should gay couples be accepted at "family" naturist resorts?

[crchris]

Here's a new topic I have not seen:
My partner of nine years and I would love to go to more resorts. The sad thing is, we cannot get in to many, as we do not fit into the definition of "couple" so many resorts require as we are two guys.
I understand the whole "need to keep the numbers fair" issue. We are a couple, we would like access. Why should we be halted because we do not fit the definition of "couple"?
We are not perverts, we are not looking to molest, all we wnat to do is go naked like everyone else!
We really could offer any organiazation that would allow us entry a nice bit of diversity, as we both have many interests, life experience, etc.
Isn' it all about acceptance? If we beg the textile world to accept us, shouldn't we accept eachother?
Hope this does not cause too many hurt feelings.
Enjoy the freedom (if you are lucky enough to get it...)
crchris

[crchris]

Here's a new topic I have not seen:
My partner of nine years and I would love to go to more resorts. The sad thing is, we cannot get in to many, as we do not fit into the definition of "couple" so many resorts require as we are two guys.
I understand the whole "need to keep the numbers fair" issue. We are a couple, we would like access. Why should we be halted because we do not fit the definition of "couple"?
We are not perverts, we are not looking to molest, all we wnat to do is go naked like everyone else!
We really could offer any organiazation that would allow us entry a nice bit of diversity, as we both have many interests, life experience, etc.
Isn' it all about acceptance? If we beg the textile world to accept us, shouldn't we accept eachother?
Hope this does not cause too many hurt feelings.
Enjoy the freedom (if you are lucky enough to get it...)
crchris

Hi crchris,

I've been called prejudiced because of my stand against your lifestyle. However, it's the lifestyle and not the people I'm against.

Having said that, here's my two cents worth--if it's even worth that.

You're rejected in many nudist venues because of your lifestyle AND because you're single. I and many other men are rejected simply because we're not married--no matter what the reason for that. Nudism is SUPPOSED to be about first accepting one's own body and then accepting others' bodies without shame or embarrassment. I personally, despite one person's opinion of me here, don't care what a person's lifestyle is. I can be friendly with anyone as long as they don't try to change my beliefs or force themselves on me.

Some places do accept gays. A place called Turtle Lake Resort here in Michigan does. I've seen them there, and they were very friendly and kept to themselves. I'm divorced, a father and grandfather, and some places won't let me in. Others will only let me in because I'm an AANR member.

There's just as much mistrust and suspicion among nudists who TALK about wanting to be accepted by the world, but too many of them don't practice toward others what they want for themselves. For one who is called prejudiced because I don't accept a lifestyle, I am more accepting of other PEOPLE than many who claim that nudists are accepting.

I'm fairly new to social nudism since I've only been into it for two years, and I've observed that it is primarily for families, or at least married couples. That leaves you, your partner and me out of a lot of it. Even as a heterosexual I know where you're coming from with this non-acceptance of men who aren't married.

Like me, you just want to enjoy being nude with others. However, also like me, you're rejected because you don't have a wife.

[jetmanstwo]

This is not a couples or singles issue. The question really is, "How dose the stright society club member feel about having homosexuals in their nudist enviroment, expecially where children may be involved?"
Over the last 20 years or so, homosexuals have made themselves well known publicly for their various types of "diversity and life experiances". I for one would be not comfortable being in a nude enviroment with them. There are ample clubs for their type of attitude. Places where the stright world will not and has no interest to trespass. Let the homosexuals find their relaxation amoung their own.
By the way, there is nothing "gay" about being a homosexual. It fosters the vilest, most un-natural side of their devient, chosen life style. Even a large towel will never cover up their potential depravity and damage they are capable of inflicting on a club and its members. Until they are able to identify the real function of their anus, they are best off not being allowed into our clubs and spas.
I am sure that my statements will bring forth a torrent of name calling from the homosexual community. That is OK with me. Their name calling is only their opinion and not proof of what hey are saying. I on the other hand have only reported what is generally known by the public and practiced by the homosexuals! (For aditional information, see the latest reports on the AIDS epidemic.)

[Stevedaoust]

Chris,
Check your private messages. I've sent you the info that will get you started into places to go, that AREN'T going to give you a hard time about your relationship. Some of the info is gay based and others carry a MATURE, GROWN-UP attitude about your relationship, unlike many of the responses you have gotten here. It really is too bad that many still haven't realized that the gay and lesbian society is NOT the child molesting, "DEVIENTS" that the uninformed see you as. I wish you and your boyfriend luck in your quest!

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jetmanstwo:
This is not a couples or singles issue. The question really is, "How dose the stright society club member feel about having homosexuals in their nudist enviroment, expecially where children may be involved?" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What does the straight club member imagine will happen to their children?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Until they are able to identify the real function of their anus, they are best off not being allowed into our clubs and spas. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Perhaps you'd also like to ban the many straight couples who enjoy anal sex? But how would you know?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am sure that my statements will bring forth a torrent of name calling from the homosexual community... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No, what you'll get here is reasoned and informed debate from both the homosexual and non-homosexual communities.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>That is OK with me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ok then, you're a ...... No I can't bring myself to say it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I on the other hand have only reported what is generally known by the public and practiced by the homosexuals! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hmm, I don't think so. What you have reported is your own ill-informed prejudice although I would agree that it may be shared by an equally ill- informed public. As naturists don't we just know how ill-informed the public can be?

Rik

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
.. and I've observed that it is primarily for families, or at least married couples. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I take the view that naturism is for anyone who wants it but the fact that it appears to be for families/married couples is merely a symptom of restrictive policies of clubs/resorts.

Rik

[SD Beach Bare]

Steve,

I just want to say thanks for the information to Chris. It is refreshing to see other individuals who recognize that gay people are not perverts. I am sure Chris appreciates the information you gave him concerning alternate sites where he would feel more welcome. I've noticed a thread of homophoia on this site in other messages as well. I thought naturists were supposed to be accepting. Yet more and more I see a very judgmental attitude expressed. This applies not only to sexual orientation but marital status as well. Single men are often not accepted at naturist sites due to the belief that they want to oggle and harass women. How sad that we are judged and descriminated against by what other's believe rather than who we are.

In my own experience,I was finally admitted into a naturist resort that relaxed it's "couples only" policy. Before they would agree to admit me they had to call another resort I frequented to make sure I was "OK". I found this humiliating. I was treated as if I were a sex offender simply because I am a single man. I also happen to be gay. Of course I didn't dare mention that or I would have probably been banned. Instead, I am able to visit this resort, swim, lounge by the pool, read a book and mind my own business. In other words, I fit in just as any straight or married guy would. Nude recreation is fun, wholesome and should be available for the enjoyment of all regardless of their sexual preference and/or marital staus. Many gay people are in committed relationships and contrary to popular belief aren't out to molest straight people and kids. In fact, we may be standing right next to you in a check out line or on a bus.
We go to work everyday, pay our bills, mow our lawns, and so on (surprise!) just like straight people.

Steve, I'm glad you're out there. Your attitude towards others appears to be accepting and positive. You're a role model for other naturists. As a gay may I appreciate you offering acceptance instead of judgements.

[Kenny G]

I'm really shocked by some of the "gay bashing" I've just read in a couple of posts. But, I guess that's why we have an open forum. As a straight married man perhaps I don't have the proper perspective to discuss this topic, but here's my two cents worth anyway. I believe we should be accepting of all people, reguardless of race, color or sexual preference. After all, isn't that what nudism all about? Don't we all ask to be accepted "as we are"? The homosexual lifestyle doesn't appeal to me, but why should I condemn another person because it appeals to him? As long as there isn't open sexual contact, reguardless of gender, all men and women should be accepted as the individuals that they are. If that particular person causes a problem, then handle the problem with that person. Women who go to beaches and resorts, often go in groups as most feel there's safty in numbers, or that they just prefer to have a friend close by. Most clubs try to attract single women to their locations to achieve "gender balance" while restricting the number of single men. Why gender balance is so important in a nudist venue is beyond me, and obviously not something that's going to be changed in the near future. So, to answer the original query, men, women,gay or straight should be welcomed openly into our society, if not then we're not really different than those whose oppose us for our nudist lifestyle choices.To steal a quote here "Can't we all just get along?"

[fred950]

Kenny G, all I can add to that is AMEN.

[AussieBeachBoy]

Some comments by jetmanstwo really deserve a response as they perpetuate stereotyping and hatred that is unwarranted.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Over the last 20 years or so, homosexuals have made themselves well known publicly for their various types of "diversity and life experiances". I for one would be not comfortable being in a nude enviroment with them. There are ample clubs for their type of attitude. Places where the stright world will not and has no interest to trespass. Let the homosexuals find their relaxation amoung their own. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't know particularly what "diversity and life experiences" are being referred to here, but pretty much all of the sexual practices that homosexuals engage in are engaged in by at least some straight people as well. Furthermore, some of the most depraved sexual crimes, against adults and children alike, are committed by so-called "straight" people. There is nothing inherent in homosexuality that makes homosexuals more prone to deviant behaviour that will impact on others (such as those who might stay in the same resort as them) than straight people.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>By the way, there is nothing "gay" about being a homosexual. It fosters the vilest, most un-natural side of their devient, chosen life style. Even a large towel will never cover up their potential depravity and damage they are capable of inflicting on a club and its members. Until they are able to identify the real function of their anus, they are best off not being allowed into our clubs and spas. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's unclear what you're getting at here, but the only real objection I can discern is to those who engage in anal sex. There are plenty of homosexuals who do not engage in anal sex, and as was pointed out above, there are plenty of straight people that do. If this is the real basis of your objection, stop misdirecting your comments at homosexuals. Perhaps what you would advocate is a questionnaire for all people entering resorts to declare their sexual practices, with those who are considered deviant by your standards banned?

[Bryony H]

I am saddened to see the comments by Jetmanstwo, I had begun to think that there would be a little more tollerance and understanding on a board such as this.

I read an old book reasently which used the sort of arguements you put forward to prove that slavery should be continued and indeed it was a moral duty to enslave blacks to protect the family...at least that was what the author thought... He was a christian minister.

I will not call you names, that would only give you satisfaction and a chance to gloat on how right you were. Instead I would ask you to review some of your prejudices, rather than continue posting myths and untruths, look to find out what it is that scares you so, when you confront your fears, often they turn out to be only in your head.

As to the original post, sadly I have no experience of gay couples in naturism, however I wish all people who want to enjoy the naturist/nudist lifestyle all the best and that you encounter people with less blinkered views than have unfortunately been showed here.

I once heard that Bigotry was the sign of a small mind. Lets be as open with out minds as we are with our nudity.

B

[Croydon]

By no means am I surprised or saddened by Jetmanstwo's comments. Many people think like him and it comes to no surprise. It is clear that Jetmanstwo's comments are just based on ignorance and speculations as to what he THINKS gay people do and who they are. I doubt that he has taken the time out to educate himself about gay people. I believe if he knew a gay person, he would not have the views that he has. All in all, Jetmanstwo is doing nothing but making himself look stupid and ignorant. People who speak like him only make themselves look bad.

I think many people are forgetting that naturists are no different than non naturists. The only difference is that one group enjoys being nude. That being said, like people of the clothing community, naturists hold the same ideas and views as non nudists, however ignorant or not. Despite the whole accepting and loving "campaign" the nudist community seems to market, many do not follow the idea. Many discriminate, many judge and many do not love and accept. Never have I bought the "love and accept" ideology of the naturists community because it is all a crock of bull (pardon me). Not many naturist follow the ideology or buy it. This shows how many in the naturist community are hypocrites. This shows my point that naturists are no different than non naturists.

[crchris]

Wow, the reponses put forth are pretty amazing!
From the bottom of my heart, I thank those of you who were so supportive, kind and non-judgemental.
For those of you who were not (and YOU know who you are) I shake my head and ask that God (or whoever your creator was) have mercy on your judgemental, arrogant, bigoted, ignorant souls.
Guys, maybe all of us (gay, straight, bigoted, etc.) really need to challenge the fact that, just because we are of the male species, does not mean that if there are more of us at a resort, the rest have to worry. Isn't it very sad that with all of our advances in medicine and science as humans we still feel we must be seperate from eachother (male, female, straight, gay, etc.). Again, we complain about the textile world not accepting us, yet, we cannot accept eachother...Very sad indeed...

[SD Beach Bare]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fred950:
Kenny G, all I can add to that is AMEN. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fred & Kenny G,

I'm glad you and some others responded as you did. I know it's idealistic but I still believe if we focus on our similarities instead of our differences we can all "play well together."
The hatred that is expressed in some of the responses to this "Gay Couples" topic were eyeopening indeed. It just goes to show how far we all have to go to simply "live and let live."

I guess I bought all dialogue the naturist's are accepting I read on many of these boards.
I've looked on other naturist sites such as Netnude and they and I was pleased to see a more accepting attitude by those who respond to thier message board.

Please know that I do appreciate those who are supportive. It gives me hope for the future of all of us as human beings.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crchris:
Again, we complain about the textile world not accepting us, yet, we cannot accept eachother...Very sad indeed... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You couldn't have said it any better Crchris. This goes back to my previous statement: Naturist community is quite hypocritical

[freedomlover]

I wouldn't say hypocritical, I would say diverse. Naturists consists of conservatives, liberals, gay bashers, gay accepting, etc. The main thing we should all strive for is a friendly naturist atmosphere without judging others because of their sexual orientation. Most naturists I have met have been very descent, accepting people. It still surprises me that there are some who want the public to be accepting of them as a naturist yet will be prejudice against other lifestyles.

[turkishnudes]

How sad that this post appears in "The FUN of Nude Recreation" topic.

I was deeply shocked at the ignorance presented by, well we all know who he is by now.

One of the ideals of nudism/naturism is that when unclothed we become equal. As other posters have rightly pointed out, unless an offensive act has been committed,then why should we not accept homosexual men & women whether they are a couple or not.Without clothes how would we even know who is gay, straight, bigotted, alien, virgin in the rear end etc?

I am suprised that none of the admin here have commented on this topic?

For Jetski's info: homosexuality is not a choice, sexual preference, disease or sin, it is purely the way that some people were born, and noone has the right to deny the love and attention they are able to show to another human being.

[Bartamus]

Turkisnudes: We don't take positions on these
topics..that's why we're the administrators and
you guys are the writers.

[Corky]

We have got quite a few moderator alerts because of jetmanstwo's comments.

jetmanstwo, please refrain from judging others. This forum is not about that. It is about the fun of nude recreation and as long as others behave, we should let everyone join us. As long as gays or straights keep sex in the bedroom where it belongs, we can enjoy fun in the sun with everybody.

The first poster's question:
Should gay couples be accepted at "family" naturist resorts?
I usually don't post my own personal opinion but the answer according to me is yes.
I am just one INA staff member.

I will be monitoring this topic. I might closed it soon if it gets too out of hand.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
Hi crchris,

I've been called prejudiced because of my stand against your lifestyle. However, it's the lifestyle and not the people I'm against.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, that's the whole issue here... it isn't a lifestyle. Gays have quite a bunch of different lifestyles just like heterosexuals do. Are you against green eyes? People who are born with a limp? Makes just as much sense as your thinking. The guy has been in a committed relationship for nine years. That makes him more stable than you are.

Administrators thanks for watching this thread. Most the ones posting have their heads together but there are still a few that are confused and/or hateful and that has no place here.

I'd like to see the nudist venues offer gay couples a reduced membership like they do hetero couples. It's only fair....

[florida-david]

i don't think this topic will get out of hand.

as a married male with children, i agree that most homosexuals/gays are great, honest, loving people. a person's sexual preference should not be an issue at a naturist resort as long as no one is engaging in sexual acts. let's be a little more loving and stop judging one another. if someone is bi-sexual, should we not allow them access as well?

[EricNY]

Acceptance should be based on how you conduct yourself.

It seems easy to have an open invitation to a nude resort as long as you are married to someone of the opposite sex..... Does that automatically mean that you do not have ill intentions? I have plenty of freinds who are gay, that I trust, I also know of some married men that I would not.So how can you base acceptance on status, marital or otherwise

[jetmanstwo]

Mr. Moderiator,
I agree with you completely that if homosexual activities are kept private and at home, there should be no problem at all. The basic question is, can it and will it be kept at home?
Having my own opinion, though not popular with the homsexual community, is still my right on what is supposed was an open forum. You will note that I called no persons any names. I only stated my beliefs. As expected a volly of name calling was sent my way but not one iota of proof to contradict my statements. It seems that many seem to have such "open minds" that their brains have fallen out with some of the nonsense they espoused. God, or nature if you will, created males and females. This is true in all living forms from animals to plants. No where else except for the homosexual community dose this claim "we were born this way" exist. With all that is evident in nature, are we expected to now believe that this one homosexual aberation is the norm and that all others relations are questionable and wrong? The homosexual community may protest, and call names all they want. They may all stand around nodding their heads dully in self agreement. In the final analysis though, where is their proof?

[EricNY]

Proof of what, exactly?

Do you feel they should have less rights than you because of how they chose to live their lives?

[Corky]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jetmanstwo:
Mr. Moderiator,
I agree with you completely that if homosexual activities are kept private and at home, there should be no problem at all. The basic question is, can it and will it be kept at home?
Having my own opinion, though not popular with the homsexual community, is still my right on what is supposed was an open forum. You will note that I called no persons any names. I only stated my beliefs. As expected a volly of name calling was sent my way but not one iota of proof to contradict my statements. It seems that many seem to have such "open minds" that their brains have fallen out with some of the nonsense they espoused. God, or nature if you will, created males and females. This is true in all living forms from animals to plants. No where else except for the homosexual community dose this claim "we were born this way" exist. With all that is evident in nature, are we expected to now believe that this one homosexual aberation is the norm and that all others relations are questionable and wrong? The homosexual community may protest, and call names all they want. They may all stand around nodding their heads dully in self agreement. In the final analysis though, where is their proof? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You say if homosexual activities are kept private and at home, there should be no problem at all, then why did you say they should not being allowed into our clubs and spas?

If they behave, and most do, they are welcome. One resort owner told me they have had more problems by far with straight men than gays.

We agree then, everyone is welcome unless they misbehave. Right?

[jetmanstwo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Administrator:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jetmanstwo:
Mr. Moderiator,
I agree with you completely that if homosexual activities are kept private and at home, there should be no problem at all. The basic question is, can it and will it be kept at home?
Having my own opinion, though not popular with the homsexual community, is still my right on what is supposed was an open forum. You will note that I called no persons any names. I only stated my beliefs. As expected a volly of name calling was sent my way but not one iota of proof to contradict my statements. It seems that many seem to have such "open minds" that their brains have fallen out with some of the nonsense they espoused. God, or nature if you will, created males and females. This is true in all living forms from animals to plants. No where else except for the homosexual community dose this claim "we were born this way" exist. With all that is evident in nature, are we expected to now believe that this one homosexual aberation is the norm and that all others relations are questionable and wrong? The homosexual community may protest, and call names all they want. They may all stand around nodding their heads dully in self agreement. In the final analysis though, where is their proof? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You say if homosexual activities are kept private and at home, there should be no problem at all, then why did you say they should not being allowed into our clubs and spas?

If they behave, and most do, they are welcome. One resort owner told me they have had more problems by far with straight men than gays.

We agree then, everyone is welcome unless they misbehave. Right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Mr. Modirator,
To answer your own question you need to read my next statement. Can you unequivocally say that they will keep it at home and in their own bedrooms? You know that you can not, and yet you seemingly support this. Too much is at stake here to be flippant and to be socially correct. To not take a stand, no matter how unpopular it may be, is to condone. Again I ask, where is their proof?

[Kenny G]

To "jetsmantwo" I can only say that I think your missing the point. First of all, sexual behavior has no place at nudist venues period. Be they straight, gay, lesbian or goat loving farm boys for that matter. Secondly, no one is asking you to approve of the homosexual lifestyle, only accept that they are people just like you and I. I've been a hot rod car builder for some twenty years now, my Dad worked for General Motors for thirty-two years and I'm a firm supporter of the "Buy American" philosophy, but I don't insult drivers of imported cars, it's thier choice, it's thier life to live as thet see fit. There's a lot in this world that I don't agree with, but to each his own. I personally don't agree with your point of view, but I wouldn't let that stop you from enjoying a beach or resort that I'm visiting. That's what being open minded means, hearing and accepting that there are other point of views and not judging others becuse they disagree. "Live and let live!".........Peace out....Kenny G

[Corky]

Proof is in their behavior. Period.

They misbehave, they are out. There is no proof that anyone will behave. One case at a time we will get rid of people who misbehave.

It applies to everyone.

What is at stake here is people not getting along. The only thing I openly condone and support in these forums is clothes free recreation for all who want to participate!

[Frank R]

You say if homosexual activities are kept private and at home, there should be no problem at all, then why did you say they should not being allowed into our clubs and spas?

If they behave, and most do, they are welcome. One resort owner told me they have had more problems by far with straight men than gays.

We agree then, everyone is welcome unless they misbehave. Right?[/QB][/QUOTE]

I must agree with this statment 100%. This is, or is suposed to be, a "nudist" web site. I know we can find all kinds of thing to disagree on but there are plenty of other places we can do that. Let's just work together on those things we do agree on - nudity - and let's leave other, non-nudist, issues to other web sites.

[gamblefish]

Here! Here!

I fully agree that the only thing to be judged in our clubs is behavior. I am blessed to belong to a non-landed club that has no quota on singles. They also have no problem with piercings, tattoos, etc. They only ask that a person treat others with respect and dignity.

I do not believe that homosexual behavior is normal or natural. I do believe that it is a choice. But in answer to this topic's original question: Yes, ALL people should be accepted at family resorts. Period. If someone's behavior becomes a problem, then they should be warned about it. If the problem persists, they should be booted out. Plain and simple.

Let's not be hypocrites here. We can co-exist and get along with others who share different views in a peaceful manner. If we nudists can't do it, is there much hope for the rest of the world?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Nude in the North]

If resorts were to exclude entire groups of people because someone belonging to that group had misbehaved, there would be alot of empty resorts.
I can think of a few paticular groups of people that have made the news for sex crimes in the last few years. Should we also ban anyone that belongs to these groups?
Priests,
Doctors,
Dentists,
Lawyers,
Musicians,
Actors,
Politicians,
Pro Sport Athletes...

To prejudge people simply because of their association with a profession, gender, sexual preference, or race is simply ignorant.

Steve

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jetmanstwo:
Mr. Modirator,
To answer your own question you need to read my next statement. Can you unequivocally say that they will keep it at home and in their own bedrooms? You know that you can not, and yet you seemingly support this. Too much is at stake here to be flippant and to be socially correct. To not take a stand, no matter how unpopular it may be, is to condone. Again I ask, where is their proof? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Where is there proof that you will keep your sex at home and in your own bedroom? What a stupid question!

[Nude in the North]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Where is there proof that you will keep your sex at home and in your own bedroom? What a stupid question! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I wish I had said that.

Steve

[Bob S.]

Boy, Should and will are two very different questions, aren't they? Idealsitically, nudist parks SHOULD allow all people in who are interested in nude recreation or the nudist lifestyle, relying on behaviour as the only reason for denying access. Some of them do, I'm sure, but just as we have seen on this thread, there are those out there who have a major prejudiceness against gays and lesbians.

Those places that do have that hatred against the homosexual life will figure out ways to discriminate against them probably in the gender balance and single man quotas.

And even though jetmanstwo's comments belong in the trash bin, reeking of the putrid scent of hatred, ignorance, and self-righeousness, I must ask him one question: How can you be sure that any couple you meet at a nudist park, beach, or anywhere in general society will not just start having sex right then and there? Homosexuality has about as much to do with sex as heterosexuality. Yes, they have it, but the vast majority of both groups keep sex private.

Get over yourself!

Bob S.

[Lilwilly]

I know a number of gay people and aside from their sexual preferance, they are as normal and nice as anyone else. My belief is that as long as they behave in a non sexual manner in public, they should be treated the same as anyone else.

[Jochanaan]

According to the Bible, homosexual intercourse is sinful. So are lies, murders, dishonoring of parents, covetousness, Sabbath-breaking...If we were to exclude all sinners from our circle of friends, who would we have left?

God is the judge of souls. We should only exclude a person from naturist places and organizations when it's clear s/he is a public danger or--perhaps--nuisance.

Originally posted by Jochanaan:

"If we were to exclude all sinners from our circle of friends, who would we have left?"

Actually, no one--including ourselves. Those of us who profess to be Christian didn't cease having what we call a "sinful nature" when we decided to follow the Lord. We all have the desire to please ourselves, and that desire never goes completely away while we're in this body. Some of us try with God's help to control those desires that God says are sinful, and some people don't.

We are no one's judge; that's God's job. However, God does command those of us who are believers to "Be holy, for I am holy." 1 Peter 1:16, NKJV. Jesus sat and ate with sinners and was criticized for it.

[RT]

RT here again putting his penny in

I just finished reading all the posts on this Topic. I'm not homophobic, nor am I a religious person. I don't beleive there is a god either.

Why can't we all just get on with each other, this is a big place (earth)we all live on and why can't we respect everyone for who they are, what they believe in and just get on ?

Religion, Guns and Racism is what is destroying this world, come on dudes and dutetes, lets strive for world peace by 2010. War is not the answer, it will just make it worse.

I think this post should be deleted, all us INA Forum readers all use to get on until now !

RT signing out.

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RT:
.. all us INA Forum readers all use to get on until now ! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is a discussion forum so you cannot expect everyone to be in agreement with everyone else - how boring would that be? What you can expect is intelligent argument without descending into personal abuse and mostly that is what you get here.

If someone puts forward an argument that I don't agree with and I challenge it, it doesn't mean I don't get on with that person, it just means I don't agree with their view point and I'm prepared to say so.

Sometimes it seems that when someone says something unpopular others call for them to be banned but, to their credit, the moderators seem to acknowledge that all opinions are valid on this discussion board: it is only personal abuse which gets people banned.

Rik

[Bryony H]

I cant claim to be religous or saintly but I do try to treat others as I would wish to be treated.

Parts of this thread might well be better off in the nudity and religion section, but perhaps someone could enlighten me on some points.

From what I can remember of the little bible teaching I have heard, God loves everybody, there are no riders on that, God loves each and every person, so much does God love us that he sent his only son to die for us so that we might live... Jesus was asked which comandment was the most important, his answer was 'Love thy neighbour as yourself'... the message of the new testament seems to be that we should follow Jesus's example to get to heaven.

the points then are:

Where in the bible does it say that we should hate others?

How can the statement 'God hates gays' be reconsiled with the above statements

and finally by what right do those who have made these statements against homosexuals, judge those people.

I am not very old, and maybe do not have the insights of others here on these boards, but I can recognise hypocracy. We are all of us people with our own free will and our own sexuallity. My first narurist experiences were spoilt in part by lurkers at a beach, Many were obviously hetrosexual and I have no proof that any were gay. Rather than having a go at steriotypical minority groups, why not gather together as a community to oust those whose behaviour is tainting all of us with the s******ing negative views of textiles.

Others will judge us by how we deal with each other, pettyness and bigotry is a destructive influance, acceptance is much more in line with the message of the bible as I see it and would be much more productive in the long run.

Naturists have to protect them selves from the blatent sexual behaviour of a minority who would spoil our way of life, lets focus our campaigns againt them what ever their sexuallity.

B

[AussieBeachBoy]

Personally I don't think this topic, or in particular a certain post in this topic, should be deleted. There are posts on this board that I take objection to but I expect that. I, and any other board member, am able to respond and put my point of view and point out where I might think a particular poster is en error, or at least why I disagree.

In some ways I think it is healthier for extreme and sometimes unpleasant opinions to be expressed, if only because it gives us a chance to point out fallacies in the reasoning and show them up for what they are. Yes, sometimes a line should be drawn (particularly in the case of, for example, gratuitous personal abuse against an individual poster), but I don't think it's been crossed - yet.

[EricNY]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AussieBeachBoy:
Personally I don't think this topic, or in particular a certain post in this topic, should be deleted. There are posts on this board that I take objection to but I expect that. I, and any other board member, am able to respond and put my point of view and point out where I might think a particular poster is en error, or at least why I disagree.

In some ways I think it is healthier for extreme and sometimes unpleasant opinions to be expressed, if only because it gives us a chance to point out fallacies in the reasoning and show them up for what they are. Yes, sometimes a line should be drawn (particularly in the case of, for example, gratuitous personal abuse against an individual poster), but I don't think it's been crossed - yet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Right on not to mention it shakes thing up a little. Like Rik said on another thread, It sure would be a boring place if everyone agreed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jochanaan:
According to the Bible, homosexual intercourse is sinful. So are lies, murders, dishonoring of parents, covetousness, Sabbath-breaking...If we were to exclude all sinners from our circle of friends, who would we have left?

God is the judge of souls. We should only exclude a person from naturist places and organizations when it's clear s/he is a public danger or--perhaps--nuisance. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The bible also considers eating shellfish and wearing clothes made of more than one material sinful.... gimme a break!

It also supports slavery and male supremacy....

gimme another break.

cyndiann

[Croydon]

[/qb][/QUOTE]The bible also considers eating shellfish and wearing clothes made of more than one material sinful.... gimme a break!

It also supports slavery and male supremacy....

gimme another break.

cyndiann[/QB][/QUOTE]

Gotta love that Cyndiann, she brings realism and sarcasm to this board.

[Bob S.]

"If we were to exclude all sinners from our circle of friends, who would we have left?"

Why, Me of course! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

And as my first act of supreme ruler, I deem the whole planet to be a clothing optional zone. Any society that refuses will forever be doomed to live in a perpetual winter of snow, sleet, and convertible cars.

Oh, and just for cyndiann, shellfish and all other scaleless fish shall be considered kosher because I just can't go too long without some shrimp scampi.

And I will allow, to a degree, some coveting, as long as nothing comes of it. Oh, and one more thing, thou shalt not worship me. Just leave me alone to be naked!

Bob S.

[gamblefish]

Cyndiann, are you sure you're reading the right bible? I mean, you're not reading that Reader's Digest book about the bible, are you? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[MikeyBear1964]

The male supermacy thing sounds kind of cool... But then again, I am a man (LOL)

My stupid joke aside, it is great to hear the positve support in this thread. The bottom line is this:
Why can't people be judged by their actions, as opposed to anything else!

[Suntied]

Wow Bob... a bit full of ourselves tonight.(ha,ha)

I just got back from a long journey to find you all discussing something as simple as gays at a nudist resort.

Bring 'em on. Every body should just come on in!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Are you wanting to get an eyefull? Then get and go! Do you want to dream (master****) about what you have encountered at our little nude get together? Then get and go! Or, are you more interested in meeting people who feel the same way as you toward the grand feeling of being naked... WELCOME! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Some people take life and all it's charmes, much to seriously.

I am hetro, but found myself talking to an accessivly(sp?) apparent homosexual about my job and such, just because he was a human being... that spoke english... and was kind enough to listen. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As a single male, I do wish some places didn't pre-judge us and restrict our membership, but I'm sure not all single people are as civilized about naturism as I.

I wittnessed the other night, a man attending our nude swim, that was very unpartisipant and could have possibly been there for an eye-full. He got it, left the pool, and is now history. What harm was encountered? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

What harm was encountered? What harm could be encountered if a pervert were let into a nudist resort with more than five men there to watch over him? I just cannot see a freako coming to a nude resort with the intention of getting anything more than a free eye-full. So, to the resorts that wouldn't let me in because I'm single... poopy on you!!! And to the resorts that won't let gay, single men or women in... lighten-up. And to anyone who takes advandage of the fact that you are a human being who is no better than the male, gay, female, stupid, retarted, crippled, deaf, blind, mute, sick... etc. standing next to you.... Take all you want, cause you aren't getting a thing! You have no advantage what so ever.(period)

Guess I got a bit overzelus(sp?),
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Suntied /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[RT]

RT here again putting his penny in.

Hi fellow INA Forum dudes and dutets. I want to clarify some thing in my previous post.

When I said we all got on I meant that we never called each other names to the extent we have in this post.

RT signing out and getting back to the study.

[EricNY]

Jetsmantwo posted:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Mr. Modirator,
To answer your own question you need to read my next statement. Can you unequivocally say that they will keep it at home and in their own bedrooms? You know that you can not, and yet you seemingly support this. Too much is at stake here to be flippant and to be socially correct. To not take a stand, no matter how unpopular it may be, is to condone. Again I ask, where is their proof? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I can't hold this back any longer Jetsman3/8 , Who exactly are you to judge anyone, who gave you the right to say who belongs where or not.

I have never, ever been so disapointed in a persons attitude. If you do not agree with a persons life choices so be it. I don't agree with yours, but I would still be cordial to you.

You talk about sexual devients, like another poster replied, what about priests,teachers,people we trust everyday.

You talk about them like they are a plague. The last time you went out to dinner, or to a show, and yes, the nudist resort can you beleive you came in contact with a homosexual? Mr. Jetsmo, guess what they COOK your food when you go out to eat, they entertain you at the show, they SIT next to you at the resort. They drive your kids to school, they teach them math while they are there.With all these "gays running around, how many times have you seen them doing something devient or sexualy inapropriate. You might as well accept it Jetty, your surrounded!

I know the real function of your anus(as you put it) But it really is not a good place to keep your head. Did I take offense, yes I did, my wife and I have both have brothers that are gay, and we love them just the same.

I see you have one star left next to your avitor, I would like to figure out a way to rate that away to. Good day Jets?two.

[EricNY]

Just a note I am glad that the majority of us would be accepting of anyone as long as they behave. I think it is great the most of us are supportive of good people reguardless of intelligence, looks, or sexual preference.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ercNY:
Jetsmantwo posted:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Mr. Modirator,
To answer your own question you need to read my next statement. Can you unequivocally say that they will keep it at home and in their own bedrooms? You know that you can not, and yet you seemingly support this. Too much is at stake here to be flippant and to be socially correct. To not take a stand, no matter how unpopular it may be, is to condone. Again I ask, where is their proof? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I can't hold this back any longer Jetsman3/8 , Who exactly are you to judge anyone, who gave you the right to say who belongs where or not.

I have never, ever been so disapointed in a persons attitude. If you do not agree with a persons life choices so be it. I don't agree with yours, but I would still be cordial to you.

You talk about sexual devients, like another poster replied, what about priests,teachers,people we trust everyday.

You talk about them like they are a plague. The last time you went out to dinner, or to a show, and yes, the nudist resort can you beleive you came in contact with a homosexual? Mr. Jetsmo, guess what they COOK your food when you go out to eat, they entertain you at the show, they SIT next to you at the resort. They drive your kids to school, they teach them math while they are there.With all these "gays running around, how many times have you seen them doing something devient or sexualy inapropriate. You might as well accept it Jetty, your surrounded!

I know the real function of your anus(as you put it) But it really is not a good place to keep your head. Did I take offense, yes I did, my wife and I have both have brothers that are gay, and we love them just the same.

I see you have one star left next to your avitor, I would like to figure out a way to rate that away to. Good day Jets?two. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well said ErcNY, harsh but you couldn't have said it any better

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ercNY:
Jetsmantwo posted:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Mr. Modirator,
To answer your own question you need to read my next statement. Can you unequivocally say that they will keep it at home and in their own bedrooms? You know that you can not, and yet you seemingly support this. Too much is at stake here to be flippant and to be socially correct. To not take a stand, no matter how unpopular it may be, is to condone. Again I ask, where is their proof? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I can't hold this back any longer Jetsman3/8 , Who exactly are you to judge anyone, who gave you the right to say who belongs where or not.

I have never, ever been so disapointed in a persons attitude. If you do not agree with a persons life choices so be it. I don't agree with yours, but I would still be cordial to you.

You talk about sexual devients, like another poster replied, what about priests,teachers,people we trust everyday.

You talk about them like they are a plague. The last time you went out to dinner, or to a show, and yes, the nudist resort can you beleive you came in contact with a homosexual? Mr. Jetsmo, guess what they COOK your food when you go out to eat, they entertain you at the show, they SIT next to you at the resort. They drive your kids to school, they teach them math while they are there.With all these "gays running around, how many times have you seen them doing something devient or sexualy inapropriate. You might as well accept it Jetty, your surrounded!

I know the real function of your anus(as you put it) But it really is not a good place to keep your head. Did I take offense, yes I did, my wife and I have both have brothers that are gay, and we love them just the same.

I see you have one star left next to your avitor, I would like to figure out a way to rate that away to. Good day Jets?two. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Great post! Exceptional! (except for the part about life choices). Do you really think your brother chose his gayness?

[EricNY]

As much as I would love to give you an educated answer I can not. I am not in his head, and do not know what is behind it. Frankly do not care, it is whatever it is.Plus I was trying to find a good way of putting it, life choices sounded right

I hope that makes sense /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ercNY:
I know the real function of your anus(as you put it) But it really is not a good place to keep your head. Did I take offense, yes I did, my wife and I have both have brothers that are gay, and we love them just the same.

I see you have one star left next to your avitor, I would like to figure out a way to rate that away to. Good day Jets?two. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>EXCELLENT post!

I admit to reading this thread (and Jetperson's posts in particular) and thinking "Can people really be this ignorant, hateful, and stupid in the 21st century? How in the world did that happen?"

I'm very glad to see that the vast majority of posts here are from tolerant, openminded, decent human beings. The rest may just need a few more centuries of evolution to catch up.

That said, some of my and my wife's best friends are gay. As far as I can see, the only difference is in the gender of their partners. Big deal. I've yet to see ANY of my friends rip off their partner's clothes and make love in the middle of my living room. I don't expect any of them to suddenly do so tomorrow. (And yes, I do think that some people are born homosexual, just as some are born with blue eyes or left-handed. The last time I checked, the scientific evidence supported this viewpoint.)

To get back to the original question, I think resorts SHOULD admit anyone who can behave himself/herself without regard to any other factor. As long as he/she doesn't harm anyone, he/she should be able to do whatever he/she wants.

[Suntied]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vin:
To get back to the original question, I think resorts SHOULD admit anyone who can behave himself/herself without regard to any other factor. As long as he/she doesn't harm anyone, he/she should be able to do whatever he/she wants. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Even single males??? (sexual prefference was never requested) /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

PS: Good one ErcNY... hope I never make you mad. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nudity Rules!!!
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Suntied /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Snoboy]

It has been my experience in the human services field, that people who make the most noise about issues like this are frequently covering up there on personal "conflicting issues." Individuals who promote hatred and bigotry should take a long hard look at themselves in a mirror. If they look long and hard enough...they may not like what they see. But then, I am merely a college student who desires to help people, help themselves. Blessings.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snoboy:
It has been my experience in the human services field, that people who make the most noise about issues like this are frequently covering up there on personal "conflicting issues." Individuals who promote hatred and bigotry should take a long hard look at themselves in a mirror. If they look long and hard enough...they may not like what they see. But then, I am merely a college student who desires to help people, help themselves. Blessings. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Good point. Your statement prompted me to share this quote by civil rights author James Baldwin:

"One of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they seem to sense, once hate is gone, that they will be forced to deal with pain"

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snoboy:
It has been my experience in the human services field, that people who make the most noise about issues like this are frequently covering up there on personal "conflicting issues." Individuals who promote hatred and bigotry should take a long hard look at themselves in a mirror. If they look long and hard enough...they may not like what they see. But then, I am merely a college student who desires to help people, help themselves. Blessings. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You sound pretty smart for a kid! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Suntied:
[QUOTE]Even single males??? (sexual prefference was never requested) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yep. So long as the single male (or single female) can behave appropriately, what earthly reason could there be for discrimination? I know it happens, but there's no rational basis for it. And what possible relevance does sexual preference have to the question? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snoboy:
It has been my experience in the human services field, that people who make the most noise about issues like this are frequently covering up there on personal "conflicting issues." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That was my experience working in the news field, too. If someone were squawking loudly about a topic, you usually wanted to find out what they were hiding.

Very good observation.

[Dave M.]

Jet????? Hate and ignorance are not the answer!!

[Suntied]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vin:
And what possible relevance does sexual preference have to the question? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>To bad we can't get the resort owners to see things our way. I've just joined/been accepted to a non-landed club that said they just so happen to have two openings for for single males. Why was it closed before? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
I was one of four that were allowed to attend their nude swim. Two of them left early and me and the other one had pizza afterwards with everyone else in the club at Donatoes (clothed). Does that mean the opennings are now closed???(or clothed... ha, ha)

I just don't get it!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Thanks for the reply Vin,
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Bart/Suntied /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Nude in the North]

When I was in Key West last january I enjoyed an afternoon at the Nude pool/bar at the resort I stayed at. Of the 20 or so people that were there, I'd say atleast 16 of them were gay. Including the bartender.
Nobody seemed to mind that I was straight. We all had a good time and great conversation.

And I still think we should allow Priests into nudist clubs.
"As long as they Behave themselves".

Steve

[RIVERRAT]

Yah Know, Ive been a nudist my entire life, I've never been a social nudist, I've been nude at clothing optional beaches alone, and done some skinnydipping, but to here this discussion kinda makes me wonder about being a social nudist, you talk about sex, I admit I only read some of the entries here, but, I guess I beleive that nudity isn't about sex, but body acceptance, we are men and women side by side nude, not gay or lesbian, if that were the case, then heterosexuals would need to be Isolated also. It's not about sex, though we all know sex is out there, we are nudists first, not sexual animals, I to have been turned on by some things at a place where nudists are, but, thats not why I'm there. Lets leave the sex to our bedrooms, whatever it may be and enjoy being naked and the sun and breese....Be naked and enjoy whoever you are??

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Suntied:
I just don't get it!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Thanks for the reply Vin,
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Bart/Suntied /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Congrats on getting to join the club. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You know, the more I think about it, the less I get it, too. I mean, I'm in other hobby clubs that are heavily (90% in one case) male. Big deal. We still meet and do our thing. Nobody stands at the door saying "Not enough women came tonight, so only five guys can come in. Sorry." When the women come, they don't worry about the ratio, either.

Oh well. I guess if we really don't like it, we could always start a competing club that's more open.

[EricNY]

I was wondering

Has anyone noticed that these trends of acceptance are changing?

Are clubs/resorts changing their policies and allowing more people in, or at the very least lightening their ratio policy?

Do these clubs/resorts seem to be heading in the direction of being more relaxed over the genders/preferences of its members and visitors? Or are they standing firm on outdated beleifs?

[RT]

RT here again putting his penny in

Jetsmantwo, where is your proof there is a God ?

Don't say the Bible,that is not proof, I can write a book with all those words in it and call it a Bible and I'm not a God.

Well Sally my girlfriend thinks I am.

RT

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ercNY:
I was wondering

Has anyone noticed that these trends of acceptance are changing?

Are clubs/resorts changing their policies and allowing more people in, or at the very least lightening their ratio policy?

Do these clubs/resorts seem to be heading in the direction of being more relaxed over the genders/preferences of its members and visitors? Or are they standing firm on outdated beleifs? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, they are changing but it is not happening real fast. There are two issues here... actually getting in clubs and how you are treated even if you are let in. Most of the newer clubs are more relaxed about singles policies. The older ones have a lot of negative tradition to overcome.

[Trailscout]

Private resort managers have the legal and moral right to set admissions policies that are in the best interest and safety of their guests. If they don't want to admit anyone but hetero couples, or control the gender ratio of those they admit who are single, that is strictly a business decision that is no one else's business.

I think a resort that denies admission to homosexual and lesbian couples and singles should also do their best to prevent those who are straight swingers, pedophiles, and people who drink too much from visiting as well.

We need to create the very best environment for our kids and keeping out perverts and immoral people of every kind only makes good sense. Although I admit that homosexuality is a manifestation of one of the most heinous depravities of the soul, the other sins are vile and would make life miserable for everyone else at the resort.

I am glad to see that there are still a few resorts that are selective about who they let in. It sets a good example to the textile world and more importantly to the next generation.

Now keeping our resorts wholesome family places does not mean that we should be unkind to these people when we meet them in public settings. Drunkards and the sexually immoral can be rescued from perversion if their hearts are prepared for a change. Some may never change, but we can't assume that from the start. We were all rebels against God at one time in our lives and we should always be willing to slowly lead them to a point where they give their hearts to God and their characters eventually show evidence that they can be admitted to nudist social venues.

[EricNY]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
[QB]I think a resort that denies admission to homosexual and lesbian couples and singles should also do their best to prevent those who are straight swingers, pedophiles, and people who drink too much from visiting as well.

Although I admit that homosexuality is a manifestation of one of the most heinous depravities of the soul, the other sins are vile and would make life miserable for everyone else at the resort.QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I cant beleive I just read this!

Are you grouping homosexuals and singles with pedaphiles and drunkards? You have to be kidding.

[Trailscout]

Of course! I was thrilled when the Boy Scouts took a stand against that lifestyle and said that we want the very best men to lead America's youth and kept gays out. I think the Scouts set an example that nudist resorts and other private groups would do well to emulate.

[EricNY]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Of course! I was thrilled when the Boy Scouts took a stand against that lifestyle and said that we want the very best men to lead America's youth and kept gays out. I think the Scouts set an example that nudist resorts and other private groups would do well to emulate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So instead we'll teach Americas youth to segragate people because they are different. Thats a much better idea.

Do you honestly think that out of those "very best men" that you mentioned, some of them are pedaphiles and drunkards.

Sad very sad /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ercNY:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Of course! I was thrilled when the Boy Scouts took a stand against that lifestyle and said that we want the very best men to lead America's youth and kept gays out. I think the Scouts set an example that nudist resorts and other private groups would do well to emulate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So instead we'll teach Americas youth to segragate people because they are different. Thats a much better idea.

Do you honestly think that out of those "very best men" that you mentioned, some of them are pedaphiles and drunkards.

Sad very sad /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Good point Erc. It is obvious that Trailscout has inconsistencies in his comments. He sets one standard for one group and another for another. He is basically favoring a heterosexual pervert over any homosexual.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:


I think a resort that denies admission to homosexual and lesbian couples and singles should also do their best to prevent those who are straight swingers, pedophiles, and people who drink too much from visiting as well.

We need to create the very best environment for our kids and keeping out perverts and immoral people of every kind only makes good sense. Although I admit that homosexuality is a manifestation of one of the most heinous depravities of the soul, the other sins are vile and would make life miserable for everyone else at the resort.

I am glad to see that there are still a few resorts that are selective about who they let in. It sets a good example to the textile world and more importantly to the next generation.

Now keeping our resorts wholesome family places does not mean that we should be unkind to these people when we meet them in public settings. Drunkards and the sexually immoral can be rescued from perversion if their hearts are prepared for a change. Some may never change, but we can't assume that from the start. We were all rebels against God at one time in our lives and we should always be willing to slowly lead them to a point where they give their hearts to God and their characters eventually show evidence that they can be admitted to nudist social venues. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It is hateful words like the above that would never let me ever be christian again. If homosexuality is so bad why do state governments allow gays to adopt in 49 out of 50 states? The only hold out is Florida and that is going through the court system as we speak.

Anyone that would speak of gays like that obviously has no experience with the GLBT community whatsoever and speaks from rote given to him by his church instead of exploring the matter with an open mind. Your comments are built on information that isn't accurate at all, can't be supported by studies, and shows that you are not following the true meaning of christianity in any sense of the word.

I ask that you, before you answer a single post that responds to yours, do some real research online about gays, about how those programs run by churches to turn gays straight actually irritate the situation so badly that many of those involved commit suicide because they cannot be what the program wants. Also make sure you look at the success rates of these programs... they all fail, every single one. Look also at the rate of suicide among gay teens who are so upset that the adults they look up to say they can't possibly be "normal" and that what they do is perverted and immoral. They are killing themselves because they read posts like yours. You are responsible for their deaths!

[Suntied]

Hey Trail...Jetsman... Scout 2 of a kind!!!!!!!

You have no right to judge people, as you are nothing more than a person (questionable) yourself. I said to someone in a PM the same thing I am going to say to you...

Didn't Jesus die on the cross for ALL OF OUR SINS!?!? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

You may think homosexuallity is a sin, and I may also, but isn't the Judging of someone a sin also??? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't we ALL GODS CHILDREN. (period) /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

We should accept people/persons the way they are. Some people have no choice in being single/gay or even drunkards (well maybe not that). Pervs do no harm until they comit the crime and they can be spotted well before that so as to get the boot! Drunkards are a minuse because they become ten feet tall and bullet proof, but they usually pass out... never to return again. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

sorry I got a little mad, /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Nudity still Rules!!!
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[EricNY]

It is a shame that people assume the worst of people because they are different. I am willig to give anyone a chance.

If they let me down shame on them, If I do not give them the chance to let me down shame on me..

[Suntied]

All hail to the words spoken like a true nudist
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nudity still Rules!!!

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[Trailscout]

ErcNY,

When it comes to picking role-models for youth whether it be Boy Scouts or in a more general sense in the admissions policies of a nudist resort, yes we discriminate in the best sense of the word.

I want to make it very plain that homosexuality is one vice among many, including as you say, "pedophilia and drunkness". When it comes to picking leaders or forming a private club, character does matter and of necessity we exclude people with the character flaws we mentioned.

[turkishnudes]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> programs run by churches to turn gays straight <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You are kidding? There is such a thing?

How sick and insensitive!

[EricNY]

Just a quick question, please if you don't mind.

Who has more character flaws. The homosexual minding his own business, or the priest going after the alter boy, or wait how bout the scout leader playing the game called "dont tell mommy"

You see it doesn't matter there is bad in every type of lifestyle. You can not judge!!

[Trailscout]

Suntied,

One of the big myths about the Bible is that "judging" is forbidden in every context.

If it can be established that someone has broken the law of God, then it is not improper judgement to say that someone is in violation of that law.

Judgement improperly applied, would then go on to speculate on the degree of rebellion in the heart of the one who committed the sin. Nor would one know whether that the person had repented or was still under condemnation for that sin. That also is a caliber of judgement left to the domain of God.

Neither does it constitute judgement to deny admission to a nudist resort to someone who openly practices a lifestyle that would set a bad example to others, especially children.

Now I would be the first to say that the "gay" lifestyle is merely one of many sins that a private club is entirely correct to prohibit of its members. And it is apparent that some clubs are not doing all they can to keep resorts wholesome family places in every way.

This thread initially addressed the question of homosexual admission to family resorts, but it begs the question of a whole host of sinful reprehensible lifestyles.

[Suntied]

Trailscout,

I'm sure you read my earlier reply to your nonsence, but refused to akknowledge the fact that you and your kind are the worst of the people in this world. It seams you feel you have the right to judge others by some lable that society has placed on them... so I have decided to judge you. See how you like it...

Not worth speaking, right ercNY...

Nudity Rules!!!
Trailscouts do what????
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[Suntied]

Judge, jury and firing squade. Did God tell you to be him this week? The God I know is loving, caring and forgiving... I hope he forgives you.

[Dave M.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Of course! I was thrilled when the Boy Scouts took a stand against that lifestyle and said that we want the very best men to lead America's youth and kept gays out. I think the Scouts set an example that nudist resorts and other private groups would do well to emulate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The world of Traiscout: <UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>The Bigot Scouts /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif to train boys to spread hate, ignorance and misery !!
[/list]
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Drunkyards and preverts running the street !! to harass youwhile in puplic.
[/list]
SOUND like paradise????????????????????????????? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[EricNY]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ercNY:
Just a quick question, please if you don't mind.

Who has more character flaws. The homosexual minding his own business, or the priest going after the alter boy, or wait how bout the scout leader playing the game called "dont tell mommy"

You see it doesn't matter there is bad in every type of lifestyle. You can not judge!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Give people a chance before you decide that they are evil.

You may find that there are more NICE people than you think there are because your mind is closed to that possibility.

[David77]

Cyndiann,
I agree completely with your above post. Such an unethical, uniformed attitude to which you respond is in dire need of change!

And even people with this harmful, uninformed, nasty attitude, are admitted to nudist venues!

[Trailscout]

Suntied,

If you hear something that doesn't make sense to you right away, you do yourself a disservice if you immediately assume that it is nonsense.
Is that the word you used the the first time you heard that the earth revolves around the sun? "Nonsense?"

You also introduce a logical fallacy: If what I am saying is nonsense, then I can't be the "worst" kind of person from a moral standpoint, merely an illogical or deluded person.
If what I am saying is logically consistent, then it is not nonsense at all, even if you disagree with me.

I would be interested in knowing why, if you indeed agree with me that homosexuality is immoral, why is it some legally protected category of character flaw that we can ignore when picking leaders for youth groups or when forming a private club of people of good character?

[Dave M.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dave M.:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trailscout:
[qb]Of course! I was thrilled when the Boy Scouts took a stand against that lifestyle and said that we want the very best men to lead America's youth and kept gays out. I think the Scouts set an example that nudist resorts and other private groups would do well to emulate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The world of Traiscout: <UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>The Bigot Scouts /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif to train boys to spread hate, ignorance and misery !!
[/list]
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Drunkyards and preverts running the street !! to harass you while in puplic.
[/list]
SOUND like paradise????????????????????????????? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>Scout, nudist resorts and others should go ahead and let gays in! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
[/list]
/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif After all haven't the bigots made the world miserable enough already? /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

The problem here is that Trailscout and the others with his opinion on gays are making decisions based of totally false information instead of the truth.

Gays don't sexually abuse children any more than straights do. Being gay isn't a lifestyle anymore than being straight is a lifestyle. Gay does not mean perverted and all those mean nasty names that have been used in this thread.

When you are making such serious accusations you owe it to those you accuse to be sure you know what you are talking about and it is obvious you don't.

I will end this post by repeating a quote from a friend.

"People should "participate" in religion for spiritual uplifting. However all too many people abdicate to religion and let it make all the important decisions for them."

How dare you use religion to hate!

[EricNY]

yeeaa

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David77:
Cyndiann,
I agree completely with your above post. Such an unethical, uniformed attitude to which you respond is in dire need of change!

And even people with this harmful, uninformed, nasty attitude, are admitted to nudist venues! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thank you David.

[Trailscout]

David and others,

I will take but a moment to reply to sweeping condemnation of the Boy Scouts of America. The results speak for themselves:
Fine young men who live selfless lives of frequent public service.

A wholesome family resort for people of good character needs no one to defend it. Its good influence on children and everyone else speaks for itself.

I was rather amused by the retort, "Drunkyards and preverts running the street !! to harass you while in puplic."
I cannot be certain, but it must stem from the premise that if we forbid drunks from going to nudist resorts, they will fill the streets of America. Ha Ha!! So nudist resorts need to take all the dregs of society so that our streets will be safe. A little levity here in the nick of time! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

To the demand, "Scout, nudist resorts and others should go ahead and let gays in!"
I can only ask again, "why should we give preferential treatment to people with this character flaw, when we do not do so for other antisocial problems?"

To the last question on that post, "After all haven't the bigots made the world miserable enough already?"

Grow up! The world isn't made miserable because we deny immoral people a seat by the pool in a nudist resort. Private clubs have no obligation to do social work.

[EricNY]

Trailscout

For your information, I was a scout, and my son is a scout.

Do you know why my son is a fine young man?
Because we raised him to be, we instilled good behaviour, good morals, etc.

These things where taught at home, scouts taught him to camp. If you had your way it would teach him to h**e. no thanks.

[ecismooth]

I have read with interest this entire discussion. What my sexual orientation may be is not an issue here. I just feel fortunate to be able to attend a campground that does not discriminate. I have met some very wonderful people of both sexes and have no idea what their sexual orinetation might be. I do happen to be single and think that I am very well accepted by most at the campground I visit. We all seem to have a great time and enjoy each other's company. I would hope that everyone here would be able to find peace and acceptance within themselve to treat others as they would like to be treated.
Naked and enjoying it

[Dave M.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>"People should "participate" in religion for spiritual uplifting. However all too many people abdicate to religion and let it make all the important decisions for them."

How dare you use religion to hate![/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>AMEN!!!

[Stevedaoust]

CHRIS,
I'VE NOTICED THAT YOU STILL HAVEN'T READ YOUR PRIVATE MESSAGE. Click onto the VIEW PRIVATE MESSAGES/PROFILE at the top of this page, to view it. The info you'll need IS located there.
Steve

I think trailscouts intentions are very good....but you cannot label people at the gates of a naturist resort by gayness or singleness etc....and restrict them because of that label...unacceptable behavior ...yes....kick them out..The problem then becomes..who determines what is unacceptable behavior? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Dave M.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
David and others,

I will take but a moment to reply to sweeping condemnation of the Boy Scouts of America. The results speak for themselves:
Fine young men who live selfless lives of frequent public service.A wholesome family resort for people of good character needs no one to defend it. Its good influence on children and everyone else speaks for itself. [LIST]They are a major cause to societies problems!!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I was rather amused by the retort, "Drunkyards and preverts running the street !! to harass you while in puplic."
I cannot be certain, but it must stem from the premise that if we forbid drunks from going to nudist resorts, they will fill the streets of America. Ha Ha!! So nudist resorts need to take all the dregs of society so that our streets will be safe. A little levity here in the nick of time! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

To the demand, "Scout, nudist resorts and others should go ahead and let gays in!"
I can only ask again, "why should we give preferential treatment to people with this character flaw, when we do not do so for other antisocial problems?"

To the last question on that post, "After all haven't the bigots made the world miserable enough already?"

Grow up! The world isn't made miserable because we deny immoral people a seat by the pool in a nudist resort. Private clubs have no obligation to do social work. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Many of the best and brights Boy Scout--GAY!! Hows that for puplic service?
Wholesome family resort -one filled with bigots which indeed will need defending. As for the drunkyards and preverts -since you think they should roam the streets lets send them to your house!! Nudist resorts will not have to take the dregs of society this way and - I'm sure you want to reform them!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif YOU GROW_UP with all the HATE,INTOLERANCE and IGNORANCE they(BIGOTS) spread - how can you look at the world and say differently??? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Vin]

Am I the only one who finds it curious that we get close-minded bigots here spouting conservative religious rhetoric? The same close-minded bigots who conveniently "forget" that their own churches would expel them if their practice of nudity were discovered, since it is viewed as "immoral" in most flavor of their chosen path?

Great gods! Talk about your multiple standards!

Trailscout,

You've found out that it's a waste of time voicing a view that is contrary to what the majority has chosen to believe. Of course, just because the majority believes something doesn't make it true.

However, it's not my job to condemn anyone. It IS my job as a Christian to reject what is sin rehardless of the fact that most of the world says there is no such thing as sin. I go according to what God says, not according to what people say.

Although I'm very uncomfortable having another male looking at me because he's interested, I can simply let them know I prefer women. To each their own. I don't have to account for anyone's life but my own. God won't hold me accountable for how someone else lives--particularly when they don't want to hear His truth.

Jon-Marc...Very good ! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Suntied]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:

"If you hear something that doesn't make sense to you right away, you do yourself a disservice if you immediately assume that it is nonsense."

No... you are a disservise... and your Ideals are nonsence in this modern world. Once again... you have no right to judge anyone. If a crippled man came to a resort that you owned and proclaimed, "I won't hurt nobody, how could I" your pompas a** would let him in wouldn't you... regaurdless of his sexual preference (or fake wheelchair for all you know).

Now, right lets go back to your horride excuse for an idea... God lives in outerspace, on a far away planet and he created us to be better than the people like you that got it all screwed up... what is it that... is it nonsence to you ?????Hmmmmm, what word you gonna use?

"You also introduce a logical fallacy: If what I am saying is nonsense, then I can't be the "worst" kind of person from a moral standpoint, merely an illogical or deluded person."

This is correct... I cannot call the Kettle black... but I can sure call you pompas.

"f what I am saying is logically consistent, then it is not nonsense at all, even if you disagree with me."

OK

I would be interested in knowing why, if you indeed agree with me that homosexuality is immoral, why is it some legally protected category of character flaw

See Trailscout, This is were You Don't Get IT!!!

Just because I find it wrong and immoral, does not give me the right to describe that person as a character flaw. Who created a character like you, I say you are flawed by condeming people before you know them.

I do not condone youth being subject to homosexuallity as a way of life, yet if there leader can teach them to camp, start a fire, or more or less survive in the wilderness...the legally protected leaders could have any or all sorts of sexual preferences that can be ignored when picking these leaders... because you don't know and they won't tell and the whole world is going to chime in harmony because you have decided this certain leader is good... or maybe not.

Basically, you and your kind do not have a leader or a scout to back up anything you have said.(period) /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

...that we can ignore when picking leaders for youth groups or when forming a private club of people of good character?[/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Oh,yeah did I mention (period)... just in case they say I didn't.

Nudity Rules!!! Bigotry Stinks!!!!!!
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[Dave M.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
Trailscout,

You've found out that it's a waste of time voicing a view that is contrary to what the majority has chosen to believe. Of course, just because the majority believes something doesn't make it true.

However, it's not my job to condemn anyone. It IS my job as a Christian to reject what is sin rehardless of the fact that most of the world says there is no such thing as sin. I go according to what God says, not according to what people say.

Although I'm very uncomfortable having another male looking at me because he's interested, I can simply let them know I prefer women. To each their own. I don't have to account for anyone's life but my own. God won't hold me accountable for how someone else lives--particularly when they don't want to hear His truth. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true- is not this a form where you express you opinion? HE- there for is entitled to do so even if others disagree. Tailscout SHOULD read yor post! I think he could agree with it. Jon-Marc well done an enlightening post (even though a disagreeing post)that does not indcate prejudice- but one of tolerance. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Should not people be free to make there own minds up?and live with that choice? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Glad you stayed!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Trailscout]

Thanks for your kind words, Outdoorbare!

I think you do see the distinctions I am drawing between basic compassion for all men and yet not blindly giving positions of influence to those who are not ready for it.

You make a good point, "...but you cannot label people at the gates of a naturist resort by gayness or singleness etc....and restrict them because of that label...unacceptable behavior ...yes....kick them out..The problem then becomes..who determines what is unacceptable behavior?"

I agree completely that a lot of times we can't catch all the perverts at the gate.

Now the original question was about admission of a same-sex couple to a family nudist resort. By definition, a same-sex couple is an open and obvious perversion that we don't even want to consider for admission. It's a no-brainer. The other folks you just have to do criminal background checks and watch them like a hawk once they are on-site. That includes married couples of course. Swingers are as big a blight on a resort as homosexuals and lesbians.

You go on to ask what is unacceptable behavior. Well, the obvious stuff about public displays of affection that are only appropriate in a bedroom, harassing of females, and the like, but a resort could simply say, "We are a family resort for hetero monogamous couples and straight singles of good character. I think that would deter many of the weirdos right off the bat. Besides a resort staff need not apologize for kicking out someone who is misbehaving in any way they don't like.

[Frank R]

I think this another instance of us getting off the subject which should be nudity. As I said before, I am certain we can find lots of things to disagree about but let's do that somewhere else. We can and do, I believe, all agree that nudity is good and that we would like to live our lives without of foolish rules that really do make any sense (unless you make or see clothes). Rather than seek out our differences, we need to remember that we are all, or we all should be, on the same team and fighting your teammates will not help our cause.

[Trailscout]

Jon-Marc,

I know that in certain social settings, one's sexual orientation will influence impressionable people, especially children to emulate their perversions.

I think a case can be made that a nudist resort is one place where swingers and gays can have such a negative impact on the character of young people.

I may not convince everyone, but I will do my best to try to convince some people that in such a place, we can't just all get along. We need to take active steps to keep these deviants out, whether they be straight or gay deviants. Barring that, we should remove them the moment they misbehave.

Now when you order a meal at a restaurant or go to the barbershop for a haircut, the one serving you might be homosexual, it's a non-issue because these perverts play far less of a role as a mentor in jobs such as these than they would in Scouts or in a private resort.

I tried to ignore this thread, but I hated to see how inaccurate it was, so I wanted to join forces with JetMantwo to give the truth a little more Webspace.

[Trailscout]

Frank,

I must respectfully disagree with you.
A spirited debate about admissions to nudist venues is very apropo.
This forum is not the place for us all to ignore issues that we may have sharp disagreements about.

[Dave M.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Jon-Marc,

I know that in certain social settings, one's sexual orientation will influence impressionable people, especially children to emulate their perversions.

I think a case can be made that a nudist resort is one place where swingers and gays can have such a negative impact on the character of young people.

I may not convince everyone, but I will do my best to try to convince some people that in such a place, we can't just all get along. We need to take active steps to keep these deviants out, whether they be straight or gay deviants. Barring that, we should remove them the moment they misbehave.

Now when you order a meal at a restaurant or go to the barbershop for a haircut, the one serving you might be homosexual, it's a non-issue because these perverts play far less of a role as a mentor in jobs such as these than they would in Scouts or in a private resort.

I tried to ignore this thread, but I hated to see how inaccurate it was, so I wanted to join forces with JetMantwo to give the truth a little more Webspace. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Questions:Would you allow gay couples into a gay nudist resort? Should gays even have thier own nude resorts? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif If so should they have to behave and the resort have to maintain a NO sex policy? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Trailscout]

Dave wrote:
"Questions:Would you allow gay couples into a gay nudist resort? Should gays even have thier own nude resorts? If so should they have to behave and the resort have to maintain a NO sex policy?"

Actually I don't have to use the wisdom of Solomon on this one: there is a gay nudist non-landed club in Atlanta and by their own choice, they have a no-sex policy. They also believe that being nude is not normally a sexual situation. It can be, but is usually not.

This club has an AANR affiliation, and I think that all non-sexual nudist clubs should be accepted by AANR.

The original focus of this thread was on family resorts. I do believe that family resorts should represent on the inside what the sign out front says on the outside, a place for straight monogamous couples and straight celibate singles.

If a gay (but platonic) club or resort delivers what it promises, then it too comes under the AANR umbrella.

I have personal objections to the gay life, but I put that aside when it comes to what I will tolerate in a national organization. AANR is a very diverse non-sectarian organization with the common message that platonic nudity is the normal human condition. Some nudists have sex, but by custom it is a private matter not for public nudist gatherings.

[j4king]

One of the delicious ironies about Christian nudists who go on about the perversions of homosexuality is that most of their brothers and sisters in Christ would call THEM perverted and immoral for chosing a nudist lifestyle, and would have the same kind of fit knowing they were attending the same church.

[Dave M.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Dave wrote:
"Questions:Would you allow gay couples into a gay nudist resort? Should gays even have thier own nude resorts? If so should they have to behave and the resort have to maintain a NO sex policy?"

Actually I don't have to use the wisdom of Solomon on this one: there is a gay nudist non-landed club in Atlanta and by their own choice, they have a no-sex policy. They also believe that being nude is not normally a sexual situation. It can be, but is usually not.

This club has an AANR affiliation, and I think that all non-sexual nudist clubs should be accepted by AANR.

The original focus of this thread was on family resorts. I do believe that family resorts should represent on the inside what the sign out front says on the outside, a place for straight monogamous couples and straight celibate singles.

If a gay (but platonic) club or resort delivers what it promises, then it too comes under the AANR umbrella.

I have personal objections to the gay life, but I put that aside when it comes to what I will tolerate in a national organization. AANR is a very diverse non-sectarian organization with the common message that platonic nudity is the normal human condition. Some nudists have sex, but by custom it is a private matter not for public nudist gatherings. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Tailscout Thank-you this gives me a better understanding of your views!I ask this if the resort is mixed by choiceis it o. k.- should it be posted or state some-where this -- We have straight and gay members to better help you make an imformed decision? IF this is stated then leave it up to the person to decide to or not to use or become a member.

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
Trailscout,

You've found out that it's a waste of time voicing a view that is contrary to what the majority has chosen to believe.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Jon-Marc,

There's one very important distinction between you and Trailscout: you come across here as someone who actually lives his faith. My impression is that you truly do not condemn anyone, even though you may disagree with them. You do your best to live as you think one should. I think anyone should be able to respect that. I certainly do.

Trailscout, on the other hand, uses his religous opinions as excuses to spout hatred and intolerance. It's his way or the highway. Yet he picks and chooses which portions of his religion to follow. Presumably he actually is a nudist (although on never knows with online personas), so he must know that most Christians would view his practice of nudism as immoral. That doesn't get a comment from him. But the hatred he's directed at homosexuals (indeed, at anyone who disagrees with him) is frightening. It leaves one with a deep suspicion that he is not really Christian at all, since he apparently can't even follow it's most basic tenets about love.

Short version of this: I respect you. I don't always agree, but I do respect you. I don't respect Trailscout.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Jon-Marc,

I know that in certain social settings, one's sexual orientation will influence impressionable people, especially children to emulate their perversions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>First of all they aren't "perversions". Stop using that horrible word, it is insulting. Second point is that you really don't know about children being influenced by gays. It isn't possible to make a child gay because he is around gays. There are so many studies out there that prove you wrong and you continue to spout church bullcrap that was created only to make people hate each other. Wake up and smell the coffee.... gays aren't perverts, the great majority of child molestors are straight. Open your mind up and see the real truth and not the garbage your church stuck in there.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I think a case can be made that a nudist resort is one place where swingers and gays can have such a negative impact on the character of young people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Where is your proof? I can give you plenty that says just the opposite. The ones having a negative impact on young people are the ones like you who tell them their natural feelings are wrong and "perverted" when they aren't. I'm waiting.... make your case.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I may not convince everyone, but I will do my best to try to convince some people that in such a place, we can't just all get along. We need to take active steps to keep these deviants out, whether they be straight or gay deviants. Barring that, we should remove them the moment they misbehave. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Where is your proof that gays are deviants and misbehave at nudist resorts?

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Now when you order a meal at a restaurant or go to the barbershop for a haircut, the one serving you might be homosexual, it's a non-issue because these perverts play far less of a role as a mentor in jobs such as these than they would in Scouts or in a private resort.

I tried to ignore this thread, but I hated to see how inaccurate it was, so I wanted to join forces with JetMantwo to give the truth a little more Webspace. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If it is truth give your studies here and now. I will give you mine as well. Real studies, not church websites with empty statements. I've posted to you earlier about this and you keep ducking me. Could it be because you can't prove what you say?

[florida-david]

i find this discussion sad. can it be that trailscout would have his type of "christian" killing gays for their perversion. its his version of religion or the highway. as for the scouts, here in broward county, the scouts were banned from using the school buildings after they decided they were into hatred. i was going with my son to the first several scout meeting and dropped out as soon as the scouts decided to spout christian based hatred. i find this scout attitude repulsive; to use religion as a shield and as a sword. was the bible written by god originally, or re-written several times over? wasn't jesus all about love? why not just love all people for their good and bad points. go cyndi-ann, i'm with you. this discussion makes me wonder about humanity (or lack there-of)...

[Trailscout]

Vin,

I have one comment for you:
Elizabeth Smart!
Her father was trusting, affirming, accepting, loving and non-judgemental.

See where it got him?

One handyman he hired stole valuable items from their home.

The second handyman kidnapped his daughter.

You were the one to focus on gays. They are only one of many deviant groups that have no business in a family environment.

I am not against gays any more than I am pedophiles, drunks, wife-swappers, violent people.

There's no reason to hate these people, just don't be like the Smart family.

[Bartamus]

O.K. everybody. This topic was interesting for
the first ten or so posts. You may recall the
original poster asked if "Gay couples should be
allowed at naturist resorts". At that time,
several people addressed that question.
Now 5 pages later we seem to be on a religious
argument.
For that reason I am shutting down this post.
Trailscout and others who enjoy religious debate
are free to take it to the religious thread and
post there.