AMERICAN MILITARY TO CRACKDOWN ON PROTESTERS IN CANADA AT SPP CONFAB IN QUEBEC

[Edmontonnudist]

On August 20&21st,at Montebello,Quebec the US ARMY along with the RCMP will be enforcing a 25km security perimeter around Montebello,Quebec

This is the location of the SPP or Security and Prosperity Partnership meeting between Bush,Harper&Calderon,the leaders of USA,Canada & Mexico

This meeting is about the start of an amalgamation of Usa,Canada&Mexico into one nation.

In my opinion,they can have as many meetings as they want,but I take exception to a FORIEGN ARMY POLICING CANADIANS ON CANADIAN SOIL!

The mainstream media in Canada has not even reported on this upcoming event. I got this information via the internet,and from very reliable sites.

You can find out more about SPP in Montebello Quebec by going to www.globalresearch (http://www.globalresearch) or just search 'spp montebello quebec'

QUESTION: Has anybody else on this site heard about this meeting in Quebec?

[Eric6420]

I am not too happy about that, but I do not see what can be done in that case.

The US military do what they want all over the world.

It is not a few protesters in Montreal or Ottawa that will stop them.

[Tampanude]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/clown.gif
Will they be nude?

Sorry to be faceisous (sp?), but this forum, although allowing a wide range of discussion, seems to be heading away from "every body beautiful" and more political.
Look at the ratio of members to posters, and posters to active and topics?

Clothesfree?

Make no mistake. I am interested and active in regard to the course of our collective destinies, nor am I one to believe individuals are one dimentional, but is a nudist/naturist forum/site one to focus these concerns more than say, a socio-political site?
Are there no political-centric sites in need of opinions?



my 2 cents, that's all

[Fuzzy Nuts]

I think we all know that our Prime Minister will do exactly as the U.S. President wants (without even thinking about it)

[nacktman]

Originally posted by Fuzzy Nuts:
I think we all know that our Prime Minister will do exactly as the U.S. President wants (without even thinking about it)

Yes we all do, unfortunately for ya'll in Canada.

I do not like the idea of an 'army' of one nation occupying another even for 'just' a "meeting".

With the shrub you know you'll get hosed one way or the other, so take this advice and get some petroleum jelly and pre-lube your backsides because the 'screwing' is coming and the shrub won't be waiting for lube.

[Edmontonnudist]

Part of the big problem in the world today is a lack of moral scruples.Corruption at all levels of gov't,etc.etc.

I believe that on the 20&21st of August,that this will make front page news all over the world.AND,it will be 10times worse than the WTO riot in seattle.2 things will make this happen.

In October 1970 we had the FLQ crises in Quebec.James Cross,British High Commission, was kidnapped. A member of the Quebec National Assembly was also kidnapped & was executed.Quebecers can be a tad radical at times.

Having the American Army controlling Canadian citizens in Quebec could set off a backlash that could lead to things getting way out of control.Maybe this is what the authorities want so that they can whip up a frenzy with the general public. THIS TIME IT WILL BACKFIRE!!

[hm0504]

Edmontonnudist,
While I am of the impression you appreciate Quebecers ability to clearly and loudly make their opposition known on various causes, I think your analogy is somewhat inappropriate. While Quebecers are in many ways models of community activism to the rest of the world, they are absolutely opposed to kidnapping and murder as a means to an end. Though the two cases of Cross and Laporte were awful, they are nonetheless the only two significant cases in what was almost completely an ideal social movement toward freedom and equality.

In contrast to other social upheavals around the world (e.g. Ireland), the Quiet Revolution in Quebec was, overall, extremely peaceful (hence its name) given that it marked the overthrow of centuries of terrible oppression by the Roman Catholic church and systemic economic discrimination. Frankly, I cannot think of another revolution quieter, and as successful, as the Quiet Revolution.

So as I said, I think your praise of Quebecers ability to take stands against injustice is right on but I think the examples you gave are a tad misleading.

[Eric6420]

I aggree with you hm0405.

[missouriboy]

Originally posted by Edmontonnudist:
On August 20&21st,at Montebello,Quebec the US ARMY along with the RCMP will be enforcing a 25km security perimeter around Montebello,Quebec

This is the location of the SPP or Security and Prosperity Partnership meeting between Bush,Harper&Calderon,the leaders of USA,Canada & Mexico

This meeting is about the start of an amalgamation of Usa,Canada&Mexico into one nation.
...
QUESTION: Has anybody else on this site heard about this meeting in Quebec? These so-called "leaders" are just following their marching orders from their bosses, which I reported on this forum last May... "Bilderberg" is an annual meeting of all these same people, every May or June, to coordinate their policy objectives for the following 12 months. (This year's meeting will be in Istanbul, Turkey, from May 31 thru June 3.) The main agenda there will be the North American Union (NAU), of course, just as it was the European Union in the prior decade.

[John Spooner]

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In my opinion,they can have as many meetings as they want,but I take exception to a FORIEGN ARMY POLICING CANADIANS ON CANADIAN SOIL!

Hello Edmontonudist.
This is concerning and here in Oz your concerns are shared. Canada is a sovereign nation in its own right and this event has all the hallmarks of an "invasion" of a country. The most reprehensible thing of all is that citizens of Canada will become criminals in their own homeland.
I personally would have thought that your Mounties would have been more patriotic, yet they are weakly doing the bidding of a foreign power.

[Bobx23456]

Originally posted by Fuzzy Nuts:
I think we all know that our Prime Minister will do exactly as the U.S. President wants (without even thinking about it)

I think that's just silly.

Blessings
Bob

[Eric6420]

Canada is a sovereign nation in its own right and this event has all the hallmarks of an "invasion" of a country.

Do you know in how many countries the american army have military bases?

I do not know the number, but it is a lot.

[nacktman]

Originally posted by Eric6420:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Canada is a sovereign nation in its own right and this event has all the hallmarks of an "invasion" of a country.

Do you know in how many countries the american army have military bases?

I do not know the number, but it is a lot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Last count there were 191 countries in the world. Want to bet the odds we have a presence in all of them?

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Originally posted by Bobx23456:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fuzzy Nuts:
I think we all know that our Prime Minister will do exactly as the U.S. President wants (without even thinking about it)

I think that's just silly.

Bob Is anything that doesnt agree with American take-over - silly?

[P.J.]

Originally posted by Edmontonnudist:
On August 20&21st,at Montebello,Quebec the US ARMY along with the RCMP will be enforcing a 25km security perimeter around Montebello,Quebec

This is the location of the SPP or Security and Prosperity Partnership meeting between Bush,Harper&Calderon,the leaders of USA,Canada & Mexico

This meeting is about the start of an amalgamation of Usa,Canada&Mexico into one nation.

In my opinion,they can have as many meetings as they want,but I take exception to a FORIEGN ARMY POLICING CANADIANS ON CANADIAN SOIL!

The mainstream media in Canada has not even reported on this upcoming event. I got this information via the internet,and from very reliable sites.

You can find out more about SPP in Montebello Quebec by going to www.globalresearch (http://www.globalresearch) or just search 'spp montebello quebec'

QUESTION: Has anybody else on this site heard about this meeting in Quebec?


I have not heard about this.
As a flag-waving all-American retired military veteran who is a member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, I support the troops wherever they are...but to send troops to police Canadians on Canadian soil is going way over that line, which should never be crossed!
As different as Canada, the USA and Mexico are, the one thing that we have in common, is the assorted problems within our own borders. To unite into one nation would be a disaster for all of us!!!
Maybe we can learn a lesson if we all sit down and watch the classic comedy film "Canadian Bacon."
I will check out more information about the SPP in Montelbello Quebec, and hopefully learn that this is all just a false alarm.

[Pete Knight]

Has it occurred to anyone that the Canadians don't want to foot the bill foot the bill for this extravaganza, or that they may not have the troops available to carry out such an operation?

When Bill Clinton was due to visit the UK he was going to spend a few days in Oxford on a personal trip, the week prior to his arrival saw a huge operation to set up security and communications for his stay. There were several of those big black SUV's that the secret service use, a crane to lift al the comm's equipment onto the hotel roof, numerous technicians and a fortune spent in the local economy, especially as this was happening on a Sunday when the pay rates are double.

As for US military bases in other countries, most of them are grateful for the dollars that are spent there, the gradual withdrawal of British bases across the world since the sixties has left local economies in shreds. Local economies grow with the spending of the stationed forces, a closure does devastate an area, such as Munchengladbach when the British barracks closed, followed a couple of years later by the closure of RAF Wildenrath, then the scaling down of the Joint Headquaters at Reindahlen.

So the question I ask is, do the Canadian people want to foot the bill and have their troops protecting Bush instead of Canada?

Let them get on with it I say, its those suckers who pay tax in America I feel sorry for more than anyone.

Pete Knight

[nudebushwalker]

The Pacific nations' Treasurers, and the Army chiefs of 19 of these Pacific rim countries [which includes the US, Canada, Chile, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, China and Russia...] have recently had meetings down here in Australia, with this is in the lead up to the big international "Do" for this year - APEC's Heads of Government meeting in Sydney in September. [This is when our Prime Ministers and Presidents get to play "dress ups" in those infamous funny shirts..].

That's when Bush and Putin will be the main act, with the second stringers like Howard and Harper able to hobnob with their Lords and Masters under the international spotlight..

No doubt there will be US army, navy and airforce presence in the western Pacific at that time, to bolster the locals. (And whose to say that China, Russia, Canada and Japan might not be having some quite joint-exercises in the Pacific as well - who would know?).
And then there will be those 30 or more secret service agents, among Bush's 300 hangers-on...
The main security, transport control, and overall control is still by the NSW guvm'nt.

[missouriboy]

Originally posted by P.J.:
As different as Canada, the USA and Mexico are, the one thing that we have in common, is the assorted problems within our own borders. To unite into one nation would be a disaster for all of us!!!

You certainly got that right!!!

I will check out more information about the SPP in Montelbello Quebec, and hopefully learn that this is all just a false alarm.

Good Luck! Don't we all wish the looming NAU was just a bad dream?

[Bobx23456]

Originally posted by Pete Knight:
Has it occurred to anyone that the Canadians don't want to foot the bill foot the bill for this extravaganza, or that they may not have the troops available to carry out such an operation?

When Bill Clinton was due to visit the UK he was going to spend a few days in Oxford on a personal trip, the week prior to his arrival saw a huge operation to set up security and communications for his stay. There were several of those big black SUV's that the secret service use, a crane to lift al the comm's equipment onto the hotel roof, numerous technicians and a fortune spent in the local economy, especially as this was happening on a Sunday when the pay rates are double.

As for US military bases in other countries, most of them are grateful for the dollars that are spent there, the gradual withdrawal of British bases across the world since the sixties has left local economies in shreds. Local economies grow with the spending of the stationed forces, a closure does devastate an area, such as Munchengladbach when the British barracks closed, followed a couple of years later by the closure of RAF Wildenrath, then the scaling down of the Joint Headquaters at Reindahlen.

So the question I ask is, do the Canadian people want to foot the bill and have their troops protecting Bush instead of Canada?

Let them get on with it I say, its those suckers who pay tax in America I feel sorry for more than anyone.
Pete Knight

I'm not suer that the US would trust Canadian military or police to protect the US President. One only has to recall an Egyptian President who was assasinated by his own troops marching past at a parade to recognize that not all national armies are created equal. Canada has much looser immigration laws than the US, and we don't know what their requirements are for security of military and police officials.

There are several large international organizations who would stop an nothing, including suicide, to assasinate the US President. In the UK, in Canada, or anywhere else the US President goes there will be a storng contingent of US military and security personnel. Any nation that wants to invite the US President has to also invite his security forces.

It's like the old arab saying, "Trust in allah, but tie your camel. Sure, we can trust Canadians, but the US President brings his own security wherever he goes.

Blessings
Bob

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Frankly with Bush I wish he would stay in Texas but certainly never felt that way about Clinton or any other U.S. President

[Edmontonnudist]

I already know that the US has bases all over the world,and so does everybody else,for that matter. Lets keep on the straight and narrow here,OK. It is dead wrong to have a foriegn army policing & controlling Canadian Citizens on Canadian soil.THAT IS WHY THERE IS A MEDIA BLACKOUT IN CANADA! IS THERE A MEDIA BLACKOUT IN THE USA ALSO? The fact that there is a media blackout should tell you something fishy is going on,plain and simple!

[Eric6420]

Edmontonnudist,

Well, I do not think that Canadians would care that much. Canadians watch american television (except French Canadians), they go on vacation in Florida or elswhere in the States, they drink orange juice from Florida and eat potatoes from Oregon.

We drive the same cars as Americans do, more than 80% of Canadians speak english. 80% of canadian exportation goes to the US. So a lot of people would not care at all if the US army is there to protect G.W. Bush, even though it was widely reported by all the medias.

You could add to that all the Wall Mart and McDonald's that we have in Canada.

I think that the media may talk about it when the meeting will take place, but I would be very surprised to see a strong reaction to it. But we never know...

[Pete Knight]

If the Canadian government didn't want US troops in Canada then they wouldn't be there, so look to your leaders if you wish to criticize, and as I have pointed out, the leaders of other nations don't need the same protection, so why should the host nation pay for the stage show that US presidents use to make them appear more important.

Just let the US tax payers foot the bill, it'll be done and gone in a matter of days.

Pete Knight

[missouriboy]

Originally posted by Edmontonnudist:
I already know that the US has bases all over the world,and so does everybody else,for that matter. Lets keep on the straight and narrow here,OK. It is dead wrong to have a foriegn army policing & controlling Canadian Citizens on Canadian soil.THAT IS WHY THERE IS A MEDIA BLACKOUT IN CANADA! IS THERE A MEDIA BLACKOUT IN THE USA ALSO? The fact that there is a media blackout should tell you something fishy is going on,plain and simple! I empathize with your indignation at the US Army policing Canadians, but I think that's not the reason for the media blackout. The blackout is because the meeting attendees are NOT doing the work "of the people" but rather are quietly furthering the agenda of the One-World-Government crowd. The media (read: government propaganda ministry) are silent because the riff-raff (that's you and me) are not to be privy to the REAL workings of the plutocracy, at least not until after the fact, after their work is a done deal (like NAFTA, LOST, etc.).

The plutocrats are ignoring the voice of the people in these matters. Our Congress, and your Parliament, are never consulted. Have you noticed that right now there is a big controversy going on over the Ratification of the Constitution of the European Union? It has never been ratified yet, because the citizens of the individual countries refuse to vote YES. Now the plutocrats are screaming at those countries' leaders to "Do It Anyway" without submitting it to the vote of the people.

You're right, whenever there's a media blackout, there's something fishy going on. In this case, if you believe it's the Army situation, then they've accomplished their tactic of distracting you from the real issue.

[NFS19]

I'm not going to disagree with the "behind the scenes" sort of comments, but that's a whole other topic. On a security/military level:

I don't think the US Army will be "policing" the Canadian populace. More than likely, extra manpower was needed and the US delegates felt comfortable having some of their own countrymen involved. The US troops will probably merely be helping to provide manpower for the perimeter. There shouldn't be any law enforcement involved. It's no different (except on a slightly larger scale) than a Canadian official coming to the US and bringing Canadian security with him. I don't blame him for it, most people feel the need to bring their own security. Furthermore, I would bet money that they have to obey the Canadian in command, and that there are Canadian advisers/police officers/etc. interspersed among the US troops.

As a previous poster has said, the issue with the US Army should be secondary to all of you. This situation is a small shadow of what it could be like if they end up making any decisions. Imagine troops from Mexico in Canada on a regular basis! I don't want to see that happen in Canada and I certainly don't want to see it in the US! I'm strongly opposed to these secret meetings, and this "one-world-government" crap should be the issue you guys are complaining about.