Clothing optional apartment complex.

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

This does not exsist as of yet that I know of, but I used to live in a complex where the court yard and the indoor and outdoor pools were enclosed and could not be seen into unless by helicopter.

My dream, or more the point a dream is to have such a complex that was clothing optional and all tenants and future tenants would be aware of this prior to moving in.
Same basic rules as AANR would most likely upheld such as inproper behavior , gawking, unsolicited photos, and such will be reason for eviction.

The complex would be a security type where guests would need to be buzzed in rather than just walk in.

I would hate to have to go as far as saying all guests need to be approved by management.

There would be all kinds of red tape I guess, but we can cut through that as we ponder this!

[richinoregon]

I understand that there used to be one in Texas somewhere, I don't know any more details that that. Maybe someone has more info.

[justnude]

The clothing optional apartments in Texas was in Austin. Actually, they were a converted motel with small kitchenettes.

[Ken Palmer]

I think I may have read something about a clothing-optional in the state of Nevada some time ago in a nudist publication. I could be wrong, so don't quote me! But yes, I would give anything to be able to live in such an environment in which the surrounding tenants will not only condone our lifestyle but will also participate themselves. This way, we would not have to worry about offending anyone. And yes I agree on another point. Potential tenants would be made aware of this during the initial application process before move-in.

Ken Palmer


Originally posted by richinoregon:
I understand that there used to be one in Texas somewhere, I don't know any more details that that. Maybe someone has more info.

[NakedGary]

There was at least two large apartment complexes in the Los Angeles area that were completely clothing optional or clothes free, but I have not heard of them in years, and forget the reference or names or location.

I don't believe they exist today or they would have been brought up or discussed in the forums.

Other reference to nude apartment complexes discussed in the past on the forums:

http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3400016152/m/8820027234/inc/1

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[Rabid_Clam]

I have heard of clothing optional apartment complexes but I think living there is difficult unless your ring of friends and co workers are in total acceptance of you and your life style.

Is difficult enough to have some people know you are a nudist but to live in a place like that will for sure come with stigmas in the minds of others. Stigmas that may be very negative no matter how innocent your life style really is.

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

Do co-workers actually know where you live Rabid?

Take it from someone who is stigmatized almost constantly and from every direction...you get used to it, and it is their problem not yours.

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

Maybe this complex should not advertize the clothing optional part but do mention "Open Living"...that should scare off most ultra conservatives!

[walter05]

Rabid;

I had a customer in Virginia who at age fifty moved into a retirement community. It was brand new, inexpensive, and quiet.

There are a variety of reasons that people choose to move somewhere. If the apartments are nice enough and have great amenities at a low price, there are excuses for living there.

This does not mean there will not be jokes. However, there may be no stigma.

[Big-Thinker]

I'll bet there are many existing examples out there, at least within a nudist resort. Paradise lakes and other big money/upscale resorts rent out apartments within the resort, correct? Many other resorts rent cabins short or long-term.

Now if we're talking about something with a more public interface, I don't think it would be a good thing, unless you cleverly set-up the property, so that utility people, repairmen, even textile visitors never see nudists unless they fully intend to. Then again, something more open might work in some very liberal areas where nudity is more common, like San Francisco, etc.. My philosphy is to make a clear separation of nudists and textile folks, for the greatest good of both. As was mentioned, you might run into red tape if this was a regular apartment complex, vs. a nudist resort. For sure it would attract some gawkers, and inevitably cameras. And as a bonafide nudist, even without gawkers, I wouldn't want to be nude in front of judgemental textile folks. There are types though that might thrive on getting peoples' reactions, but I think we'd call those exhibitionists, rather than nudists.

Regarding co-workers knowing where you live, I think it depends on how close you are with them. I worked for a conservative company, but nobody associated with me much outside of work, so I could have easily lived in a nudist resort for years and they'd never know.

I read the link Gary provided above too. Some great discussion there!

[NakedGary]

I believe the topic thread is on regular or typical apartment complexes in various urban cities either converted or built to be nudist and clothes free in all common areas, facilities, and grounds.

Guests and visitors, and entrance access would be controlled access, gated entrance, parking, and common areas via key pad entering and exiting. Service personal, delivery, Guests, visitors non residents would have to be met and escorted while on the facility grounds or property. Delivery, mail, and un-announced visitors would have to go through the office during normal business hours. The common areas would not be viewable from neighboring properties, or public streets via landscaping, trees, and/or walls.

The ones talked about or mentioned in Los Angeles were probably were years ago before the city and county of L.A. CA become nudist, nude or clothing optional un-friendly. Los Angeles city or county currently [If I’m not mistaken] doesn’t have any affiliated or sanctioned nudist resorts, or any legal clothes free or nudists’ beaches, and it’s illegal to be nude anywhere in public, viewable from any street or public sidewalk, or beach anywhere in the City or County of Los Angeles. I have heard under the Cahill policy some areas designated as federal land within L.A. county and remote national forest areas allow nude and naturist hiking as long as there is no complaints, or you don’t offend others.

Clothes free apartment complexes would be a natural for areas such as Palm Springs, and Las Vegas, Nevada as residents wouldn't impact the tourist trade, gaming or entertainment trade that much as most who would reside in clothsfree or optional apartment complexes would live and work in the area.
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[R.M.GREENMAN2]

Yes Gary, because the building I mentioned in thread topic starter, had a perfectly enclosed courtyard and pool....just a couple security gates were needed to keep out un-invited lookie loos!

I figure that there are complexes that are for the older folks only, complexes for adults with no children, complexes that cater to families only....why not a complex for a more "CLOTHESFREE" crowd? Not a resort, but an actual living complex, with all the amenities of a regular complex.

Unlike a resort it would probly be more expensive because like some resorts, you might pay $700 per year Membership, where as depending on the APT. you might be spending $700 per month rent. BUT...you are home and do not have to drive a fair distance just to relax...

You know...all I need is to hit a fairly big POWERBALL and I could make a fair # of nudist dream come true!

[J.P.]

There was a report by the late Fred Anderson on KABC-TV 7 in Los Angeles somewhere in the mid ‘70s about an apartment building in the San Fernando Valley that was clothing optional. He interviewed a couple in there apartment (they were standing behind the counter), the apartment manager (who was not a nudist) and showed some people playing in the pool (being careful with the camera angle). I remember that it was a very positive report about the nudists and there lifestyle.
It is sad that in today’s media, this same story would most likely be reported as something weird and to be made fun of.
This same reporter had also done some stories about streaking and actually interviewed three guys as they where in the middle of streaking there collage campus. Again this was a very good report in that he did not try to embarrass them or put them down.

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

Ahhh...the good ol' '70's!!!
Not my fault I was born late '60's and kinda missed that whole sexual reveloution type attitude.

I heard that if you remeber the '70's...you weren't really there!

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by R.M.GREENMAN2:
heard that if you remeber the '70's...you weren't really there!
You heard wrong.

[D-TX]

Originally posted by richinoregon:
I understand that there used to be one in Texas somewhere, I don't know any more details that that. Maybe someone has more info.

Veal Johnson has this info on His Yahoo 360 Profile (http://www.nudist-resorts.org/talk/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=828), "... In 1983, as result of being recommended by Lee Baxandall, Veal joined a California investment group to spearhead the opening of a 270-unit nudist apartment complex in Houston. He appeared on radio, TV and before Houston’s City Council to explain the concept of the nudist apartment complex. ..." and "... We were unsuccessful in filling the 270 unit complex in the time allowed by the investors (6 months) and so it reverted to a standard apartment complex in 1984. ..."

Also, on Michael Bluejay's (http://michaelbluejay.com/nudity/) web page, he says, "... I lived in Austin's clothing-optional apartment complex (New Manor Apartments and then Cameron Hills Apartments) right after I started attending UT Austin. (The complex was later sold and is no longer clothing-optional.) I started the first clothing-optional student organization at the University of Texas about the same time, and briefly published a national newsletter called NAVEL (Naturists Advocating Vegetarian & Environmental Lifestyles). ..."

Take Care & Live Life Bare,
David

[TheNorm]

I heard that if you remember the '70's...you weren't really there! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif Yup, an old hippie joke.
(I guess MJ was never a long-haired, pot-smokin' hippie.)

[windowphobe]

I once saw a TV news clip about New Manor. The manager said something to the effect that other people think it's all orgies, all the time, which of course it isn't.

And one resident, asked about the advantages, said "We can get a pizza delivered here faster than anyplace else in town."

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by windowphobe:
And one resident, asked about the advantages, said "We can get a pizza delivered here faster than anyplace else in town."
LOL. That is too funny. Sounds like a relaxing place to live. Too bad that it didn't stay clothing optional.

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by TheNorm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I heard that if you remember the '70's...you weren't really there! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif Yup, an old hippie joke.
(I guess MJ was never a long-haired, pot-smokin' hippie.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No. I spent the mid 70's undergoing radiation and chemotherapy for cancer, so you can bet that I remember it. Not in a good way either.

[Eric6420]

I remember that about 10 years ago, I saw big ads for such a complex at Brossard near Montreal. The ads were along the highway in Brossard. There was the drawing of a naked woman on the ad. The ad was on a big pannel in wood.I did not hear about this project since then. But the ad was there for a year or two.

I know that some people in France live 8 months out of 12 in a naturist campings. I do not know where they live in winter. Probably with their family or friends.

Anyway, it seems that naturism is far more popular in Europe than in North America even if even there, a lot of people are not open to it.

As a gay man I can tell you that nudism is quite popular among gays.

[D-TX]

Originally posted by Eric6420:
I remember that about 10 years ago, I saw big ads for such a complex at Brossard near Montreal. The ads were along the highway in Brossard. There was the drawing of a naked woman on the ad. The ad was on a big pannel in wood.I did not hear about this project since then. But the ad was there for a year or two.
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The project apparently didn't make it into the English language press, since I just tried a Google search for "nudist apartment Brossard" and "naturist apartment Brossard" and got no links.

Although, on the Federation of Canadian Naturists (http://www.fcn.ca/accomodation.html) web site, there is a reference to several Naturist Apartment Complexes in Spain.

Take Care & Stay Bare,
David

[usuallylurk]

Originally posted by Eric6420:
I remember that about 10 years ago, I saw big ads for such a complex at Brossard near Montreal. The ads were along the highway in Brossard. There was the drawing of a naked woman on the ad. The ad was on a big pannel in wood.I did not hear about this project since then. But the ad was there for a year or two.

I know that some people in France live 8 months out of 12 in a naturist campings. I do not know where they live in winter. Probably with their family or friends.

Anyway, it seems that naturism is far more popular in Europe than in North America even if even there, a lot of people are not open to it.

As a gay man I can tell you that nudism is quite popular among gays.

There are condominium complexes in nudist parks in Florida, USA. Paradise Lakes and Caliente both have different levels of housing available for year-round use.

Cypress Cove has hundreds of permanent residents, but nearly all of the permanent housing is manufactured housing (mobile homes, "double wides", etc.) There are many residential developments immediately outside of Cypress Cove, with all levels of housing available. Many CC members have homes away from the park, for a variety of reasons.

[Nude123]

Try

http://www.its-natural.net


sun lover

[David77]

I have heard of apartment complexes thst are nude permitted in the communal hot tub, but clothing require in the environs of the rest of the apartment complex.

[Agde]

It strikes me that apartment complexes might be a good place for nudists to explore gradually expanding clothes-free possibilities. In condos there is probably an owners association where options and modalities could be discussed. In rental complexes, there might be a chance to talk to neighbors and the manager. Maybe a rooftop suntanning garden or, if there's a pool, c/o hours.

Alas, I do remember the '70s and lived in a small 12-unit near San Francisco where people knew each other -- I just asked around and nobody seemed to mind if me and my girlfriend were at the pool or in our small lawn space au natural. Of course we had the advantage of a liberal era and a label of "those Europeans". http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

Still, just thinking that people might be in the mood these days for a little more tolerance and it might not be as daunting as one worries to raise the subject in a friendly way among people who probably already know you as an ok person. At worst, people would meet a naturist and have a chance to learn about naturist family values and principles of interpersonal and gender respect.

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

Originally posted by Eric6420:

As a gay man I can tell you that nudism is quite popular among gays.

Why do you think that is? I have had a couple of gay friends and none were too inclined...

[Eric6420]

Originally posted by R.M.GREENMAN2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Eric6420:

As a gay man I can tell you that nudism is quite popular among gays.

Why do you think that is? I have had a couple of gay friends and none were too inclined... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting question. I will give you a few references.

Here in Quebec, there are 5 gay campings. Two of thoses are fully clothing optional and two others have a naturist section.

That means than in Quebec, you can practice naturism in 80% of gay campings, but only in less than 1% of the straight ones. That is a huge difference.

Also, if you look at some gay magazines such as Outlook in Canada, there are plenty of ads for nude recreation (clothing optional resorts in Palm Springs, Key West, Fort Lauderdale...).

We have the Gay Pride in Toroto where quite a number of men in the parade are completly nude or close to it.

In France, naturists beaches are quite popular with gays.

Most of the gay resorts I know of are clothing optional. Nudity seems to me a part of gay culture.

[redrocksnudist]

There was an attempt to do this back in the day when i lived in Houston, TX...

But the funding fell through, i believe...

Would have been cool to live there...

The radio advertising is how i became aware of the AANR, and "organized" nudity...

(Daniel)

[Centauri4]

There is or was an apartment complex just off the I-15 highway in north Las Vegas that catered to alternative lifestyles and I believe at least allowed nudity around the swimming pool. The apartment building was visible from the road and featured a large rainbow painted on the side of the building, I suppose to signify it alternative lifestyle friendliness.

If I recall correctly, non-residents could even pay a day fee and use the pool.

I apologize for not having more details, but I am no longer in that area and this apartment complex may have closed or converted to another status.

Ah, it is apparently a "resort" rather than a long-term residence apartment complex.
Blue Moon Resort (http://las-vegas-hotels.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g45963-d264095-Reviews-Blue_Moon_Resort_for_Gay_Men-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html)

[Odie]

quote:
Originally posted by Eric6420:

As a gay man I can tell you that nudism is quite popular among gays.
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A s agay man, my experience in the gay nudist community has not been great. Most men I meet who claim to be nudists are more exhabitionists who want to look at naked guys. I'm much more comfortable being around straight men and women when I'm in a nudist enviroment. Maybe I should move to Canada...LOL When it comes to the male body, gay men can be very judgemental.

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

Originally posted by Odie: When it comes to the male body, gay men can be very judgemental.

So I am basically doomed by either sex?

[Odie]

LOL...not by me Pagan Warrior.
Your pic is great. I'm pale and flabby and happy as can be. And one day when I figure out how to upload an avatar, you'll see.

[scubare]

A number of years ago I read in one of the naturist publications that a group was in negotiations to buy an old Air Force (?) base and turn it into a naked city. With established infrustructure, it would have been no problem to have schools, hospital, retail stores, recreational facilities, etc. I tried to keep abreast of it but it seemed to die out rather quickly. It sure would have been nice! :)

[D-Spec]

I'd definately buy an apartment in a complex like this. I think it'd be great.

[andy_ma]

Hmmm - a nude apartment complex - that would seem like being on vacation year round! Sounds like an excellent idea to me! Count me in!

[Agde]

Why wait for a whole complex? How about getting a floor or two (particularly your floor!) designated as clothing optional?

[SpiderThug]

Now if I had the money to bribe(oops, provide financial donations) the governments and build a whole new housing development, I would set up a whole suburb which is of course, 'clothing optional'. Once could go to the park, go shopping, walk the dog, etc minus any clothing.

Such a suburb would require security measures where residents would need a security pass to enter the community. Only emergency services would be provided automatic access.

You could have a small shopping complex there and if person working there does not live there, then it would be part of their employment contract that they accept it is a naturist community and do not have the right to object or complain about the lack of clothing.

Wouldn't it be great?

[allthetimenude]

Hey: There were about two such complexes, both fairly small, that opened almost 30 years agao. The Austin American Stateman newspaper had articles about both, but neither lasted, to my knowledge, for more than a few years. I'm all in for a city-based clothing optional complex where everyone was on the same page about the nudity issue. I can't live out in the middle of nowhere as is now pretty much the only option for the clothes free lifestyle.

[usuallylurk]

Many of today's nudist resorts and parks have permanent year-round residents.

Some of them are cooperatively held -- so, even though they are not legal towns, or cities, or municipalities, they are private communities -- some with town houses, some with permanent homes, some with condominiums, some with apartments. Some are privately owned, but you can buy a housing unit inside them. There are also some smaller ones.



Caliente and Paradise Lakes in Florida both have a variety of permanent housing. Yes, you can move in and enjoy clothes-free living year-round.

Other places -- Cypress Cove to name one -- also affords manufactured, but permanent housing. Avalon has condos.

And even the place I belong to -- Cedar Waters -- has some limited permanent housing, where people live year-round. Cedar Waters has a formal name of "Cedar Waters Village" -- in New Hampshire, at one time, you could organize a village (or, "precinct") which would enjoy some special legal designations. Back in the 1950s, Cedar Waters Village even had its own fire department (along with a mutual aid pact with the town of Nottingham).

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

But those places can only be afforded by the rich............

[redrocksnudist]

back in the day :-) in 1983 or 84 in Houston there was an attempt to create such a complex...

it didn't make it due to lack of financial support i believe...

one of the people involved was a guy named Veal Johnson...

nudismguy@yahoo.com (http://www.clothesfreeforum.com/nudismguy@yahoo.com)

he could probably tell you a lot of the history of it...

Take Care,

Daniel

[Joontiki]

This does not exsist as of yet that I know of, but I used to live in a complex where the court yard and the indoor and outdoor pools were enclosed and could not be seen into unless by helicopter.

My dream, or more the point a dream is to have such a complex that was clothing optional and all tenants and future tenants would be aware of this prior to moving in.*clip*
Now if I had the money to bribe(oops, provide financial donations) the governments and build a whole new housing development, I would set up a whole suburb which is of course, 'clothing optional'. Once could go to the park, go shopping, walk the dog, etc minus any clothing. *clip* Wouldn't it be great?

I think this is a wonderful dream! Either the apartment building or the suburb! How wonderful would that be? :-)

I'm such a reclusive country gal though. I would have to think pretty hard before leaving the country for something like that! Would it be worth it? I don't know, but it sure is nice to dream about anyway!

I recall an entire town (in Northern BC, Canada, on the coast was it?), including hospital, mall, theatre, and houses, its own hydro, etc, being abandoned for years and the whole shebang recently sold for basically peanuts. It was totally remote in a gorgeous wilderness ~ mountains & ocean. Now that would have been an ideal place for something like this! :-) Now i'd be even more likely to go for that! But then again, i'm just a dreamer.

[mountainman]

I think the time is near for many area of the USA to not only accept but to look for such developements, and not targeting the upper crust.

If you are in an "association" their attorney may be able to give you some direction for how to initiate some thing, elsewhere, of course... maybe a para-legal working on cases involving state, county, city code issues???

[SpiderThug]

I'm such a reclusive country gal though. I would have to think pretty hard before leaving the country for something like that! Would it be worth it? I don't know, but it sure is nice to dream about anyway!



I understand where you are coming from. I spent a third of each year in the country and I loved it. I wish I could go back to the country but I can't, so I went second best and moved to a regional city of less than 80,000 people, surrounded by cattle and sugar cane farms.

[Joontiki]

I understand where you are coming from. I spent a third of each year in the country and I loved it. I wish I could go back to the country but I can't, so I went second best and moved to a regional city of less than 80,000 people, surrounded by cattle and sugar cane farms.
I'm in more like cottage country, rather than full "country". And i'm right near a big city (Vancouver). so i think that being surrounded by cattle & sugar cane sounds just fine! :-)

[CarolinaNudist2007]

I understand that there used to be one in Texas somewhere, I don't know any more details that that. Maybe someone has more info.


At one time in the 80's there was one in Houston, however the city put so many restrictions on it that after about a year it changed back to the old run of the mill apt complex..nude use of the pool and areas not within site of the street was allowed.

[D-TX]

At one time in the 80's there was one in Houston, however the city put so many restrictions on it that after about a year it changed back to the old run of the mill apt complex..nude use of the pool and areas not within site of the street was allowed.

The actual story, as told by Veal Johnson, was posted by me on 3-Aug-07 in this thread (http://www.clothesfreeforum.com/showthread.php?p=32062#post32062). It was the investors who backed out after 6 months when the complex hadn't filled up.

Take Care & Stay Bare,
David