New Forum: Nudes in the News

I created this new forum a few days ago and have been moving many topics into this new home for news and media related topics.

Fun of Nude Recreation is intended to by the main forum for nudist lifestyle topics. Many of you enjoy using this forum. Some topics, however, would be better placed in this new Nudes in the News forum. Any news or media related nudist topics can go in here.

Have fun!

[nudeM]

Just earlier this week, I read on the internet that somewhere in Florida, there is a golf club that members (males) have an all male get together in the buff in the clubhouse. As expected, there was a complaint by some females who complained about not being able to attend, thus resulting in an 'unfair' law suit. The judge ruled that just because the males were able to have a 'nude night' was no reason to ban females. So the ruling stands. Women are now allowed to attend an all male gathering while in the buff.

Seems this is a growing trend about once male-dominated organizations are being unfair to females. Lawsuits have resulted in females being able to attend an all-male organization. What is everyones take on this? What is the difference between an all-male and an all-female gatherings? As males, can we not be able to sue an organization just because it is all-female that bans males? I would think so.

The case aforementioned was a golf club somewhere in Florida. I'll try to look it up and post it here. Anybody in Florida know where this club is?

This is more important to the women than you'd first imagine because many big corporate deals are done on the golfcourse and in it's clubhouse and that meant that the women were not given the same shot at making those corporate deals because they could not be there. That alone could really hurt a top executive's position and advancement.

[Baron Lake]

nudem, the case did not involve the exclusion of women from a nude group of men per se but their exclusion from the club's "mens grill", which men frequently use wearing towels or less.
The club has no comparable facility for women.

Hi guys...Just viewed your free this week version of the Nude News ...Looks like you had a lot of fun out on the lake...Thanks for sharing...Odb

[Corky]

Thank you outdoorbare!
Yes, it was fun. We are glad we can afford to present the current show to everyone for free. Thanks to the INA members and donations, we can do that. The public needs free videos to help educate them about nude recreation. Last week's show was watched over 24,000 times in one week, many times more than normal. Our bandwidth is through the roof but worth it.

[Zorro]

Wow... I had no idea about the numbers, but 24,000+ is awesome!

[nudejosh123]

I only hope that if men sue to get into an all womens' gathering that the same result would apply. I'm not saying that I'm against a mixed gathering; I just hope that it is a two way street if males are excluded.

Maybe a requirement for the club is that everyone get naked for the gathering. With no exclusion on gender.

[Natman]

Corky,

Just wanted to say thanks again for bringing us Nudes in the News free again.

I enjoyed these last two releases and itis great to see people enjoying life as God intended.

I think that the mini-bikes look like fun, but that the kids should all have helmets and maybe kneepads on. Those bikes are alot more unstable than full-sized ones.

When I was about 15, I fell on a Honda 50 onto a shell covered road, doing about thirty mph. I looked like groung meat and it took about 15 years for all the fragments of shell to work their way out of my elbows and knees. Fortunately I had a helmet, whcich was severely damaged (would have been my head).

Anyway. Thanks again.
Nat

[Rabid_Clam]

Natman brought up a very good point, protective equipment.

Wearing a helmet was an excellent move but also wearing protective clothing would have been a tremendous benefit where the body is left to suffer from uncontrollable events.

Would be like frying bacon nude, one needs to have protecive clothing. Nudism is not rekless abandon of self preservation.

Again there is a time and place for everything and some tasks and events are not well suited for nudism and we need to pay attention to such things in self preservation interests.

Is nice to go outside in below zero weather for a few minutes to feel the cold and weather in its natural state in our own natural state but to stay there is not any smarter than riding a motor bike without protection. Thankfully you had a helmet!

[Nudeinbama]

Corky, You're doing a fine job with the entire website and organization. Keep up the good work.
nudeinbama

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rabid_Clam:

Would be like frying bacon nude, one needs to have protecive clothing. Nudism is not rekless abandon of self preservation.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do people always use cooking bacon as a reason to wear clothes? Deep frying chicken would be more dangerous....

having said that I don't wear clothes when I cook bacon or anything else for that matter.

[Vin]

Cyndiann,

I don't always wear clothes while I'm cooking, either. But I'm generally very, very careful! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Vin

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

Vin, Cyndiann.......OUCH!

The one time I got to visit Mountain Air Ranch in Colorado, they had a grill going where one could buy a burger or such. The cook was nude except for his full size, vinal apron (or smok).

I've been popped by greese on my arms and I could not imagine it hitting elsewhere.

I've gotten grease burns on my stomach a couple of times but I think I've learned to step back when cooking.

I don't ever, ever wear clothes at home so I can't imagine putting some on to cook.

[barenaked1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rabid_Clam:

Would be like frying bacon nude, one needs to have protecive clothing. Nudism is not rekless abandon of self preservation.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I use a microwave to cook my bacon....not a problem

[fred950]

As I have said in several other threads, I have been fring bacon and just about every thing else that is usually fried nude for well over thrity years now and have never had an 'unpleasent' expirience. Those whom insist on using high heat to cook everything have, perhaps, never been taught to cook properly. Using lower heat may take a little longer, but the food will taste like food, not charcoal.

[pukunui]

I posted this the other day but for some reason it didn't show up. I'll try again.

To be honest I've stopped watching "Nudes in the news". I was disappointed with the content. I thought it would have "news" about nudism or members of this site. Things like New clubs, tips on the best camp sites, health and safety issues etc. What I saw the few times I watched were an "ad" for a very expensive, far off resort or the news crew biking or roller skating. I'm glad you're having fun but that's not news and soon gets pretty boring. And I have no intention of spending hundreds or maybe even thousands of dollars at some hedonistic resort. I felt rather let down. There must be more interesting things to report than Corey and the gang having a good time.

[Sundance36]

Pukunui I for one enjoy nudes in the news. They do offer for any of us to do a guest spot. Maybe you could do one from your area. I would like to know how many people actualy have been guest. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[FireProf]

I enjoy watching Nudes in the News also. Maybe you can e-mail INA and suggest different types of issues and ideas on what you'd like to see. If they are able to fit it into their travels and their programing they may just take your idea and use it. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Corky]

pukunui,

Have you seen the latest shows?

Thank you for your ideas! I told the crew to work on "camp sites, health and safety issues".

Everybody,

We welcome news about members of INA. Please send video tapes and info about yourself for the show in any format. Smaller, local resorts please send tapes of interesting events from your club or resort. This is a good way to advertise your resort. We welcome others to join us for taping anytime. Plus there is only so much nudist news out there so we have to travel around and tape ourselves at interesting naturist friendly places.

We will be travelling to Europe in January to tape nudist places and news over there.

Yes, we welcome any and all ideas!!! Post your ideas here or email us personally at: clothesfree@clothesfree.com

Thanks!!

[johny]

RE:""We will be travelling to Europe in January to tape nudist places and news over there""
Corky

***********
Wow! What a nice idea. If You are near to Latvia, may I invite You to Riga. In the name of NGO Latvia Naturist Association (I am vice-chairman) I am inviting You if You have an interest. If You shall choose it, I shall show You a best pearls here and shall introduce even at Eestonia and Lithuania, and even Moscowian clubs. Sorry that we are not able to cover Your costs, yet I hope to advice so far as it will stay smaller as small.

Anyhow, due You I am agree to make some free days off the job to be Your personal guide.

Inform please about Your decision me at johny_59lv@yahoo.com (if positive).

P.S. Traffic is simple. Straight flight (quite expensive), or to Moscow (RU) or Helsinki (SF)or Stokholm (SE) or Warszawa (PL), or Berlin (DE) and then by land (some hours long) or cheep-flights with Ryanair.

Last makes easy to end (or begin) the travel to Croatia, Spain, France or Italy, where most of wide-known naturist locations persists.

[the NAKED eye]

Corky, Be sure you and the naked crew visit "STARKERS" the London Naked Night Club when you come to Europe to film in January. Jamie runs a really good place every Friday night. Call us, you will be very welcome and as we're inside the cold January weather is outside!
the NAKED eye

[nunne]

I have been following Nudes in the News for a year or more, and find that it is developing into a good program. At first, I thought the presentation was a bit amateurish, and didn't seem to cover a lot of interesting news outside of INA. Compare, however, some of the earlier episodes with those that are now being produced, and I think you will see some remarkable progress.

It will be wonderful when the day comes that Nudes in the News will have a reporting staff that can be in various locations to bring greater breadth and depth to the news of the nude world. But that probably will be a few days or months away.

I know it would help tremendously if news buffs throughout the world would be willing to share some of their time and footage with NitN.

Progress is being made, and it is only the beginning!

I wish I was able to follow the Nudes in the News videos, but I only have dial-up Internet. It takes forever to do anything; I keep getting disconnected, and it won't download videos. My computer is often screwed up when I DO download something.

[soundman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
I wish I was able to follow the Nudes in the News videos, but I only have dial-up Internet. It takes forever to do anything; I keep getting disconnected, and it won't download videos. My computer is often screwed up when I DO download something. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have a 56K dial up and I download the extremely high res. versions of each show each week. I just right-click and save to my hard drive and go to work or bed. When I come back later I have the whole shows saved to watch anytime full screen.

Unfortunately I can't have cable or DSL here. The phone co. says I have the wrong kind of phone line for DSL. I didn't know there was more than one kind of phone line. I checked into Satelite Internet, but I can't afford it.

[cigarhog]

Is there or has there ever been a nudist/naturist cable network or channel? I think this would a great thing for us. The only problem is I dont know if showing children at nudist facilities or activities would be legal. I believe that a channel like that would really counter a lot of false opinions that textiles have of the nudist lifestyle.

If a station like that were on, they could have shows like any other station. News & weather, public interst stories etc.
Or if they cant have a whole channel for it maybe just select shows like maybe the daily news & weather or talk shows like a nude "tonight show"

Bruce

I really like the nude TV show idea. That would be great and really get the word out. In not a channel, then certainly an hour-long show, maybe like "Wild on ..." where the producers go to different nude resorts and locations. The focus would be different, of course, as "Wild on ..." deals with the recreation and club scene not nudism per se. How about "Nude Life" or "Nude on ...".

As for depiction of nude children, I insist. I'm not going to get cut out just because I'm not 18 (age of majority may vary in different countries). Also, how can we say "There is nothing wrong with nudity" (including child nudity) and then hide it. There will be dissenters and legal hassles to be faced, so lets face them. The hard fights are the ones worth winning. The nude life is as much about family as anything else and should be inclusive of children.

Be nude, be happy.

[Tyco]

Corky, if you guys are planning on any New England travelling, you must try to visit Yorktown Recreation here in Maine and do a feature on their brand-new facility.

www.yorktownrec.com (http://www.yorktownrec.com)

[WacoTX]

A TV channel would not have to have 24 hour programming. It could be on from 9:00 pm to 2:00 am.

I would really like to see programming as on HGTV but with a nudist view point.

[KetchumMaine]

I always wondered why Nudes in the News wasn't telecast on Free Speech TV and perhaps picked up on some local access cable tv channels.

[richinud]

there was a complaint by some females who complained about not being able to attend, thus resulting in an 'unfair' law suit.

Can we excluded males use this as an 'in' to the females-only-forum that the INA have recently created? Or is this in some way a 'different' stroke?

Then again, as Grouch Marx once said:

"I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that wanted me as a member!"

;-)

Rich.

[Theo]

On the bacon issue....get a frying pan screen. On the nudes in the news. I think its heading in the right direction. I think as American sloooowwwwwly makes the transition to a more accepting mentality we will see more. Guess its time to do a quick segment on fishing in Florida.
Anybody heard any news on the topfree 10 law suit in Florida or the 5 that were arrested in Daytona this past March?

[NakedGary]

Video Edition #123

INA Clothesfree video edition #123 is the best yet in a professional done and quality production showing to the mainstream public how natural social and nude recreation is. Very entertaining, factual, and puts a good light on social and family nude recreation. Even Eric Schuttauf, executive Director of AANR and his family is featured in the show and production.

The production, picture and audio quality keeps improving to professional standards putting INA Clothesfree in the forefront of representing family social nude recreation in still, multimedia, and television production world wide.

Congratulations INA staff and crew, great professional job and production.

A great short video to download and show to all your non-nudist friends, how natural social nudity and nude recreation is for all ages.

[soundman]

I agree!
Show #123 was really good!

[Nudeinbama]

I will have to try to get it to play, often times it won't on my computer, for some reason unknown to me. Thanks.
Nudeinbama

[luvnaturism]

I don't usually watch the weekly Nudes in the News show, but NakedGary's comments prompted me to download this one. He's right. It's a particularly good show, and the quality of the extremely hi res version is outstanding.

[NakedGary]

NudeinBama,

Try downloading Windows Media Player Ver 10.0 It seems to be the best yet and I have no problems with most types of Media playing or being compatible.

Windows Media Player Ver. 10.0 Download "Link" (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10/default.aspx)

[Aaron Adams]

Thanks to NakedGary for sending me in this direction. I thought I recognized the guy in the National Geographic segment from somewhere. I assume he's the executive director of AANR mentioned earlier. Has he been on Nudes in the News before.

[Sauna]

Originally posted by NakedGary:
NudeinBama,

Try downloading Windows Media Player Ver 10.0 It seems to be the best yet and I have no problems with most types of Media playing or being compatible.

Windows Media Player Ver. 10.0 Download "Link" (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10/default.aspx)

This free player opens more different formats than windows media player. Test it here http://www.bsplayer.org/

[NakedGary]

Starkers naked night club and disco in London is closed according to the latest news and notice on there website.

Maybe 'Mr Bee" can give us an update as to reason or future plans for Starkers.

[URL=http://www.xxxxxxxxxx. [Edited by Moderator "NG" due to adult/sex links on web site.

[mrbee]

Hi Naked Gary, I'll do my best to update everyone. Starkers will be changing venues.
The previous venue did not feel there were enough people coming on a regular basis so after discussions with Jamie and the other owners they have decided to move venues. They have four other venues available to them so it's just a question of time before Starkers is back. Keep an eye on the website for further details http://www.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx [Link edited by Moderator "NG" due to new Adult/sex links posted on site.] Here's a pic of me having a great night there many moons ago.
Cheers, Mrbee

[mrbee]

I would ask all British Naturists to keep an eye on the website as a visit to Starkers is great fun as these people can testify. Cheers, Mrbee

[Starkers Club]

Thanks Mr. Bee!

Starkers has changed venue and is hosting a special party on FRIDAY 2nd December 2005. Our new venue is absolutely fantastic! "The Arches" are glamorous, comfortable, kitch and fun - which are all the elements of a Starkers night.

We're also very glad to be back on Friday nights, where we began, and not competing with other specialist monthlies held on Saturday nights.

We all hope to see you down at the club - our last event had over 150 people and we expect this one to be even busier!

Starkers returns on Friday December 2nd and will repeat after that, probably on a monthly basis.

10pm - 3am

@

The Arches (side entrance)
51-53 Southwark Street
London Bridge
SE1

Admission is £8 which includes club membership. Free bagcheck.

Please visit http://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx. for more information. [Edited by Moderator "NG" due to adult/sex links posted on site]

[NakedGary]

<span class="ev_code_RED">Attention user/member: "Stalkers Club" and Forum members:

The Stalkers URL hyperlink has been deleted from INA/Forums due to addition of Adult/Sex/Swingers Links on their website.

Do not post links to Stalkers Night Club, London, UK on the forums until the adult links and objectionable reference is removed.</span>

Moderator "NG"

[Nudeinbama]

Wow, I finally got to actualy watch a few of the clothesfree News shows, after I downloaded the Windows Player 10.It works O.K., but its still really slow buffering the video and getting it ready to play, even with my Cable internet. Probaly this old computer, but at least I did finally get to watch a couple shows. I'll have to watch more when I've got plenty time.They're doing a good job producing them.
Nudeinbama

Originally posted by NakedGary:
<span class="ev_code_RED">Attention user/member: "Stalkers Club" and Forum members:

The Stalkers URL hyperlink has been deleted from INA/Forums due to addition of Adult/Sex/Swingers Links on their website.

Do not post links to Stalkers Night Club, London, UK on the forums until the adult links and objectionable reference is removed.</span>

Moderator "NG"

Stalkers? ROFLOL!

Until they are removed? You think you can make them change their website just so it can be linked here?

ROFLOL!

[Starkers Club]

I'm quite irritated by this you know.

It's a bit rude deliberately calling us "stalkers" club when actually it is clearly "starkers" club.

We are venture catering for young nudists in London who, like many adults, are also interested in other aspects of London nightlife which are not naturist. We are trying very hard to make nudism FUN rather than die on it's arse as it is in England.

You may have noticed Gobare has recently folded..nudism is in trouble unless more young people get involved. Why are naturist clubs packed with old timers, when young people look best naked? I'll tell you why - BECAUSE THEY ARE BORED AND SICK AND TIRED OF BEING LECTURED.

The only way to get new people involved is to make nudism fun and not have everyone crapping themselves about what happens if someone sees me looking at someone, or will I get interrogated about "my intentions" or will some killjoy with a clipboard and Dr. Scholl sandals come past and tell me I am behaving inappropriately allowing my girlfriend to sit on my lap.

Can we just accept that we are all different and we are all grown up adults here?? Some places are for family holidays, some are not. Frankly, it is not my idea of a good time to sit in a children's play area all afternoon building sandcastles..but I still enjoy being nude with my friends??? And yes...I am a normal human being who just occasionally has sexual relationships with friends and acquaintances - that is a fact of life. Why do some naturists seek to deny this?? Why do you suppose that you can somehow patronise your members to the extent where you presume you can shield their delicate little eyes and minds away from any reference to sexuality whatsoever? Because otherwise they may somehow suddenly be corrupted?! Who are you trying to kid?? These are people who are going to make their own minds up I think and go and do what they want to do - not what you tell them to do.

This is not the 1950's and no one is going to suddenly turn around and say "oh my god those naturists over there have sex lives as well as being naked - now we know the TRUTH. They MUST be stopped immediately". Face it, the conservatives in society don't like us anyway and think that anyway, and they will never ever see eye to eye with us.

I am quite happy being nude when I feel like it with friends and not be thinking about sex at all. But I am a young man with the same normal thoughts and feelings as anyone else, and so are the 150 young people who regularly come to our events. How many nude events have you ever been to where the vast majority of people are under 35? Not many. I know because I have been to lots of places and have decided, along with my colleagues, to try and save nudism from "naturism", which frankly, has become a self-justifying inhibitor of it's own development and is actually putting more people off being naked than it attracts.

Nudism should be fun, care free and guilt free, not this neo-puritanism thought-police.

Right. I've finished now. Now you can say your bit.

[Naturist Mark]

Originally posted by Starkers Club:
Can we just accept that we are all different and we are all grown up adults here??

Well no, sorry Jamie.

Many of the people "here" on this website are not adults.

I'm not a moderator or spokesman for INA, just a longtime forum member. Here's my perspective on the situation:

This website is oriented towards family naturism, and strives to maintain itself as a resource for all naturists of any age. INA does not use age verification to restrict access to adults only. It maintains its site as a family friendly place that promotes nudism amid a social and legal climate that is friendly towards those who would like to see it shut down. So to stay available to everyone, including kids who deserve straighforward information about nudism, and to promote naturism as a family friendly activity, INA has chosen to eschew subjects and sites with links that are sexually explicit.

-Mark

[Starkers Club]

I note what you're saying. It just seems a bit bizarre to restrict yourselves to the lowest common denominator. Naturists should be trying to make their hobby appealing to young adults, who are the ones with the ability to actually go to a naturist club, not to kids...with all the problems and potential for misinterpretation they bring.

[NakedGary]

Jamie, Promoter for "Starkers Club"

The "L" put in place or an "R" was a typo; Get over it. Everyone knows the club or group is known as "Starkers"

The Starkers Club URL/Link posted by you and others violates INA clothesfree Terms of Service:

INA/Forums Terms of Service Link (http://clothesfreeforums.com/terms.html)

Which specifically states:

"By using this service, you agree:

"Never post any material that is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, <span class="ev_code_RED"> sexually oriented,</span> threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law."

The Starkers Club links and advertises Adult Sexual sites, including two Swinger Site links, a Fetish link, and advertises "Reach your target audience, advertise here"

INA clothesfree or its Forums does not advertise; does not promote Sex related or adult sites, or attempts to reach target or advertise to an audience for sexual related activities.


In a nutshell swinging is about having sex with other people, it may take many forms;
Parties/Orgies with partner swapping or group sex. It seems that Club Starkers is advertising to the lowest common denominator of adult sexual activity by targeting sex and promoting nudity to the younger set to promote attendance to a nude disco and dance night club for younger singles, and couples; not much to do with family naturist or nudist social nude recreation.

When "Starkers" has no reference to sexually explicit sites, images, or activity, they or its members are welcome to post the URL or hyperlinks on the INA clothesfee site or Forums.

Jamie, Promoter for "Starkers Club"

The "L" put in place or an "R" was a typo; Get over it. Everyone knows the club or group is known as "Starkers"


The same typo three times? I doubt that.

And there is no reason to be rude. A little itty bitty apology for intentionally getting the name wrong wouldn't kill you instead of "get over it".

What is it with the moderators lately? Full moon? There has been a lot of instances just in the past week where abuse of the position has been very evident. If you can't stay neutral stop moderating.

[NakedGary]

Yes "Cyndiannaked” a typo three times in one post, and not intentionally as you thought rolling on the floor laughing.

Of all people, you’re telling others not to be rude. ROFLOL!

Staying neutral in repeated Terms of Service violations of posting sexually explicit links, Please explain?

Originally posted by NakedGary:
Yes "Cyndiannaked” a typo three times in one post, and not intentionally as you thought rolling on the floor laughing.

Of all people, you’re telling others not to be rude. ROFLOL!

Staying neutral in repeated Terms of Service violations of posting sexually explicit links, Please explain?

I shouldn't have to explain and I've not linked staying neutral with the TOS violations.

It's not your place to tell someone to "get over it". It's rude, especially when posting in mod mode.

And I still don't believe you'd typo three times in one post. It's not possible that it was an accident.

[Sauna]

To avoid major problems I took it away and sent it as a private mail.

Thanks ercNY

[EricNY]

Everyone take a deep breath...this is heading in the wrong direction and should be discussed in private message....we are bordering "flame country"

Originally posted by ercNY:
Everyone take a deep breath...this is heading in the wrong direction and should be discussed in private message....we are bordering "flame country"

You are totally right! Too often I see the moderators making comments publicly that should be taken private. We don't need to know all the details when a post or poster is removed or changed. It embarrasses people and points them out when we should be showing a welcoming attitude.

And the mods need to stop thinking they don't have to follow the TOS.

[EricNY]

Thanks all for the cooperation...nuff said

Let's move on http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[florida-david]

I personally applaude the Starkers Club for finding an interesting way to get the youth involved in nudism. It might not be what all of us find exciting or the perfect version of nudism, but why can't people be happy in their own way?? I agree that the link to the website should be removed as it does not represent the values of this site. I also agree that a moderator should not be rude to the users of this site. Naked Gary stepped over the line, corky was never rude as far as I know. So if you want to battle and flame the users, you should do it in private messages...

[Starkers Club]

Hi Gary, How are you?

I'm fine.

I know how some "naturists" live for little rules and regulations, but you don't seem to be able to stick to your own when referring to Starkers as "stalkers" and, frankly, being rude and unpleasant...

Originally posted by NakedGary:
Jamie, Promoter for "Starkers Club"

"Never post any material that is <span class="ev_code_RED">knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate</span>, abusive, vulgar, hateful, <span class="ev_code_RED">harassing</span>, obscene, profane, sexually oriented...."

The content of my post was not sexually orientated, but you are right that we do have a few links to fetish and swinger sites. This is because we are forced to reciprocate links. What we are trying to do is promote ourselves to people who are likely to be sympathetic to the nudist cause. There is a big market of people who are not shy about their bodies but find traditional naturist clubs tedious. We promote ourselves to people on those scenes and they come to our club. Young, vibrant, happy people - and usually couples.

We do not allow people to shag each other at the club - those who try to are politely and humorously told that it is better they "finish what you've started" at home. We sometimes have people who have come and are expecting an orgy and are then disappointed when they don't find one, moan at me about it, and then leave.

What we are doing is getting people who have never had a nudist experience before to experiment and most of them love it and come back. We are turning swingers into nudists not nudists into swingers. That, surely, is a good thing?

As I've said before, there is only one thing us lot have in common - we like being naked. We all come to that conclusion from different angles and with different stories. I don't think any route is "wrong".

Thanks to the people who have stuck up for me http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

James

[EricNY]

James

Very nice explanation of your club, I hope that is the practice there, if so keep up the good work.

I would like to offer my opinion if you don't mind. I consider myself young, mid thirties, and happily married to a wonderful woman for 16 years. Although I am miles away from being prudish, if I came across your link, I would probably not attend the club, due to perception. It really is sad that you have to have links like that if you are not promoting them. It truly does seem that you are promoting swinging based on your site.

If that is what you want fine, I do not have a problem and to each their own. It does seem to me that you need to choose which direction you are going and do it all the way. You may be selling yourself short by having the appearance of a swingers club, if nudism is what you really want to support.

Just my opinion...and either way good luck with your club!! And if you ever have a supporting link for yourself without the other content please share it here.

Best regards,

ercNY

[KetchumMaine]

I have to agree with the "conservatives" on this one. Your club cannot be for nudists with links to fetish and swinger sites. It is true that some swingers mask as nudists, but real nudists are not swingers. The philosphies are contradictory.

[Starkers Club]

I am really appreciating this discussion now.

Initially we promoted Starkers 'just' at naturists. We found that naturists were reluctant to support us. In some people's view "naturism" can only really exist if it is on the beach or sunbathing or something like that. In a controlled environment. That people could not be trusted to be nude together anywhere else. The thought of a naked party indoors, with alcohol, made them automatically assume that it was "not naturist" because it was inevitable that some people would become aroused by the goings on. There were concerns about how people would "behave" in a nightclub. If they behaved in the same way that 'textiles' do in a nightclub, such as chatting someone up, or kissing them, it would make it un-naturist. Because naturists are all either celibate or married and monogomous, and they make love in the dark through a hole in a sheet.

England is not America though. It is cold most of the time. In London there is NOWHERE to go nude. There is a "sauna"..but this really is a swingers joint with private cubicles etc and everyone keeps their towels on all the time. There is also men only and women only enclosures at Highgate Ponds. I don't like being segregated. The nearest beach to London - on those rare warm days - is hours away in Brighton, and it is covered in rocks, it is narrow and unappealing. Nudists desperately needed something they could do in London no matter what the weather was, which did not revolve around water - i.e. swimming/sauna/jacuzzi etc etc.

In the end we got to a cross roads. Either we would close - like many other naturist ventures do, due to lack of support - or we would try and be different and broaden our market. We would look for POTENTIAL nudists. We decided on the philosophy that we would admit anyone without any preconditions. If they behaved in an objectionable way they would not be re-admitted. The club found it's own balance and has become wildly popular. Enjoy yourself, but if you start upsetting and offending other people you must change your behaviour or leave.

The bit about the links to the swingers and the fetish crowd is unfortunate but it is a fact of life. Naturist web sites insist on reciprocating links as well. I have thought about this issue and will instruct the person who does the website to place a disclaimer on the links page explaining why they are there and saying we do not endorse any of these sites. It has always been our dream to make nudism as inclusive as possible. I don't like swingers clubs and I don't go. I like fetish clubs because I can go nude as my "fetish" and I am a big boy now and I won't run away crying if I see someone dressed up in rubber or leather or with a whip. It is funny - each to their own. Live and let live.

The question is - what is a "naturist" and what is a "nudist"? Is a group of people choosing to socialise together nude "naturism"? It should just be that and that alone. If it is then Starkers is clearly a naturist event.

If, on the other hand, you also have to also swear a solemn oath that you do not ever find the experience erotic, you have to join an official naturist organisation and be registred and vetted and agree to a code of practice and to be monitored and sign up to a whole series of edicts then that is something quite different. Can an exhibitionist be a naturist? If you enjoy being naked because you find it exhilarating where does that exhilaration end and excitement begin? Questions of morality and impure thoughts... Are all naturists actually voyeurs and exhibitionists? It seems clear to me that there is a lot of hypocracy going around with some people trying to make out they are so "pure"...but they are always trying to sit within eye shot of the pretty girl on the beach!

"Naturism" for many still just means hanging out in the nude together. While others have chosen to invent and live under a whole series of self-constructed regulations to control their behaviour.

If "naturism" is more than just being nude, in that case, we are what I choose to define as "nudists" who enjoy being nude together because it's a laugh. Nothing more, nothing less. The human body is natural and it's attractive. If you are turned on by the experience, then lucky old you. If you just like the way your skin tingles when you're bare then great. If you can only really relax when you're naked, then fine. You are all welcome. Just don't invade anyone else's space and respect each other.

Starkers has always been a nightclub for grown-ups. Just like any nightclub. It's a place of tolerance and acceptance. Sometimes it seems that the naturist scene in it's fortress mentality has become rather intolerant and is in grave danger of becoming a parady of the very people it accuses of intolerance towards them.

However, the whole tone of this topic has changed and I don't feel set upon quite so much any more, and hank you very much ercNY for your kind words of encouragement. It is much appreciated.

James

Originally posted by KetchumMaine:
I have to agree with the "conservatives" on this one. Your club cannot be for nudists with links to fetish and swinger sites. It is true that some swingers mask as nudists, but real nudists are not swingers. The philosphies are contradictory.

Not true at all. Nudists can be swingers or into fetishes or anything else the general population is into. There is no contradiction. They are just totally different things that sometimes overlap in the same person.

It would be no different than being a nudist and a golfer. You wouldn't go nude on a golf course unless it was in a nudist resort, and you wouldn't bring the golf clubs poolside.

[soundman]

I disagree on one point Cyndiann. Mixing nudist websites and clubs with swingers and sexual fetishes is not the way get support for nudism from the general public. Expecially when they think it is all about sex anyway.

Sure people can do both but they should not link them together like on websites or at clubs.

Ron Jeromy, a porn star, was at a nudist resort recently but of course he had to keep his porn activities out of there. And the nudist resort will NOT link to any of his porn sites. So nudist sites should NOT link to fetish and swinger sites just because they ARE totally different things as you say.

Originally posted by soundman:
I disagree on one point Cyndiann. Mixing nudist websites and clubs with swingers and sexual fetishes is not the way get support for nudism from the general public. Expecially when they think it is all about sex anyway.

Sure people can do both but they should not link them together like on websites or at clubs.

Ron Jeromy, a porn star, was at a nudist resort recently but of course he had to keep his porn activities out of there. And the nudist resort will NOT link to any of his porn sites. So nudist sites should NOT link to fetish and swinger sites just because they ARE totally different things as you say.

So they shouldn't link to golf sites or dancing sites or chess sites so people don't get them confused either right?

I think you are underestimating the intelligence of most people out there.

[KetchumMaine]

I didn't say that everyone would agree with me. Obviously, there are liberal definitions out there. Swinging is a sexual activity, and naturism is strictly non-sexual. Hence the contradiction.

[soundman]

Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by soundman:
I disagree on one point Cyndiann. Mixing nudist websites and clubs with swingers and sexual fetishes is not the way get support for nudism from the general public. Expecially when they think it is all about sex anyway.

Sure people can do both but they should not link them together like on websites or at clubs.

Ron Jeromy, a porn star, was at a nudist resort recently but of course he had to keep his porn activities out of there. And the nudist resort will NOT link to any of his porn sites. So nudist sites should NOT link to fetish and swinger sites just because they ARE totally different things as you say.

So they shouldn't link to golf sites or dancing sites or chess sites so people don't get them confused either right?

I think you are underestimating the intelligence of most people out there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No one thinks nudism is all about golf and chess. BUT they do think it is all about sex. THAT is the difference.

The public needs to be educated. I know the public is intelligent. They are just uninformed about nudism and don't seem to know there is such a thing as good nudity suitable for the whole family.

[NakedGary]

Jamie, Promoter & [User name: Club Starkers] for the "Club Starkers" at the “Arches” in London, UK.

I have been unable to reply for 6-8 hours due to a major broadband cable outage in the Capitol area of California affecting ten's of thousands of clients and customers of Comcast cable Inc.

I would like to set the record straight on the unfortunate insertion [Only on November 21st, 2005] of the letter "L" in place of the letter "K" and the word "Stalkers" in place of the word "Starkers" [Six times] three times on one post in the form and two times in a private message to you the same date notifying you that Links on the revised Club webpage contained Adult sexually related links that were not allowed on INA Forums, and would have to be edited and/or deleted.

It has been found to be a Microsoft Office XP Professional & IE "Auto type ahead insertion" function used in proofing, spell, and grammar checking of posts caused this unfortunate word replacement I called a "Typo". This insertion was NOT INTENTIONAL as a couple of other posters would want you to believe or have posted suggestions that it was intentional, and often scorn the operation and function of the moderators, administrators, and operations of INA and it's Forums.

INA and its Forums have been very pro, open, friendly and appreciative of news and social nudity mention of events at Starkers Club rented facilities in London since Forum user/member "Rik" first posted mention of Starkers Club on May 24th, 2004. Since then three full pages of "Starkers" mention [most being starkers or naked] and 26 posts directly about, on or mention and images kindly provided by London user/member "MrBee" a frequent patron of your events.

I was the one who noticed and initiated mention of Starkers Club closure, change in venue, and web site changes on in this Topic/Thread [Page 3 2nd Post] October 31st 2005, Queried MrBee, who quickly updated the forum with information and images, and you thanked him for doing so. There is no reason I would want to or did flame or battle with you as others suggested, and I did post private message to you as to the reason the Starkers Club Link to your web page on INA and the Forums must be edited and or removed due to adult and sexual content. It was rude of me to mention "Typo" and "Get over it" prior to knowing or seeing or checking the unintentional word insertion prior to posting. [A suggested INA/Forums program/software needed feature to preview the post as it will be seen prior to actually posting]

In less than 24 hours I'm sure that the new Starkers venue and opening at the Arches in London will pack the house with patrons having nude social fun. We hope to have media, news, and images submitted by you and/or user/member "MrBee" for INA, and the Forums of your new venue and success.

"NakedGary"

Originally posted by soundman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by soundman:
I disagree on one point Cyndiann. Mixing nudist websites and clubs with swingers and sexual fetishes is not the way get support for nudism from the general public. Expecially when they think it is all about sex anyway.

Sure people can do both but they should not link them together like on websites or at clubs.

Ron Jeromy, a porn star, was at a nudist resort recently but of course he had to keep his porn activities out of there. And the nudist resort will NOT link to any of his porn sites. So nudist sites should NOT link to fetish and swinger sites just because they ARE totally different things as you say.

So they shouldn't link to golf sites or dancing sites or chess sites so people don't get them confused either right?

I think you are underestimating the intelligence of most people out there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No one thinks nudism is all about golf and chess. BUT they do think it is all about sex. THAT is the difference.

The public needs to be educated. I know the public is intelligent. They are just uninformed about nudism and don't seem to know there is such a thing as good nudity suitable for the whole family. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So educate them, don't lie to them! By lying you stand a good chance they will leave nudism when they figure out that there are nudists who swing, just as there are textiles that swing. We aren't exempt and shouldn't pretend to be.

And it *is* the way to get those people into nudism just as James said.

[soundman]

Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by soundman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by soundman:
I disagree on one point Cyndiann. Mixing nudist websites and clubs with swingers and sexual fetishes is not the way get support for nudism from the general public. Expecially when they think it is all about sex anyway.

Sure people can do both but they should not link them together like on websites or at clubs.

Ron Jeromy, a porn star, was at a nudist resort recently but of course he had to keep his porn activities out of there. And the nudist resort will NOT link to any of his porn sites. So nudist sites should NOT link to fetish and swinger sites just because they ARE totally different things as you say.

So they shouldn't link to golf sites or dancing sites or chess sites so people don't get them confused either right?

I think you are underestimating the intelligence of most people out there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No one thinks nudism is all about golf and chess. BUT they do think it is all about sex. THAT is the difference.

The public needs to be educated. I know the public is intelligent. They are just uninformed about nudism and don't seem to know there is such a thing as good nudity suitable for the whole family. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So educate them, don't lie to them! By lying you stand a good chance they will leave nudism when they figure out that there are nudists who swing, just as there are textiles that swing. We aren't exempt and shouldn't pretend to be.

And it *is* the way to get those people into nudism just as James said. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who said anything about lying???
Everyone already knows that there are nudist swingers, but not everyone knows that there are a lot of nudists who are into just for the comfort and fun of just being nude and with family and friends. People need websites and resorts for that also.

[Starkers Club]

Starkers was epic on Friday night. The venue was packed. We had over 170 people. To my delight the dancefloor was packed out all night with a young crowd with a good mix of guys and girls. It was exciting, exhilarating - at some points erotic - and at all times incredibly fun. I only had to ask one person to stop doing what they were doing and hhad only one complaint about someone from another customer (and it was the same guy I had already picked up on). Importantly, the venue made the money they needed to and so we are now scheduled to be back again on January 6th 2006.

I did not see Mr. Bee there, I don't remember seeing him anyway...but I may have missed him. As a policy we do not take photographs inside the venue because our clients privacy is of paramount importance. We also forbid any of our customers to bring photographic or recording equipment of any type (including mobile phones).

Being nude was fashionable on Friday!

James

[Xen]

I was at Starkers on Friday - had never heard of it but met someone at a drinks party (naturist) who was going so went with him to meet a couple more friends and then together we went along.

People on the door were friendly and there was great atmosphere inside - it was warm and relaxing and the nudity felt as natural as it would at Cap d'Agde on a summer's evening. Everyone seemed relaxed and I'm really pleased to see that it will be on again next month.

[nudedudedenver]

Hey MrBee and Starkers Club guy and anyone else in London. I am going to be in your city the 9th-12th. I wish it would have been last weekend, to attend the nude club night. Anything going on this weekend you guys may know about? Would love to find another venue like this or similar if it exists. Thanks and looking forward to my visit in your city!

Nudedudedenver

[mrbee]

Well, what can I say - I've been away for a few weeks and can't believe all this 'controversy' over what I believe is a very positive and important step forward for Naturism/Nudism and the city of London.

If I may summarise my view:

I am not in any way commercially connected to Starkers and have no 'interest' in the club from a Financial perspective. I am however extremely interested in the success of Starkers as a Naturist and as a regular attendee at nightclubs in London.

Jamie has created ( out of nothing ) the UK's only Nude nightclub !!!! Isn't that just the most amazing thing ? Jamie and the team have had a few hundred people attend such events with very little in the way of publicity. It is a really important achievement and should be celebrated by us all.

Can we please alow it the oxygen and room it needs to grow before people start criticising it, in most cases without ever having even attended one of the events ?

As a nightclub serving alcohol it is only open to those over the age of 18 and as such, of course people will meet new friends and who knows maybe even potential life partners over the course of the evening whilst drinking a cocktail/beer etc. Isn't that what happens at every nightclub ??

In order to commercially survive a large group of people need to attend regularly and as such of course Jamie is going to advertise wherever people visit on the web that are interested in being naked.

That does not mean however, that those people are allowed to participate in activities that are unsuitable and out of line with the type of nightclub Jamie envisaged from the start which as I understand it is of a Naturist nightclub open to all regardless of gender/race/sexuality or religion.

I was unable to attend the December 2nd event but have heard from many friends that it was a big success. I am very much looking forward to the next one though and will be there come hell or highwater http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

We are so lucky here in London, to have Jamie and the Starkers crew to organise these events at what is, believe me, pretty much zero profit margin currently.

Regarding the pictures I posted they were taken at the 'after' party for the 2004 World Naked Bike Ride which was not strictly speaking a 'Starkers' event but was attended by many of Starkers regulars.

Privacy is extremely important to the Starkers crew and the attendees and as such cameras are not allowed in the venue and rightly so.

Thanks Jamie for all that you do. There is always a tremendous arrogance that often appears within people who welcome the idea of such an event but who often want to criticise it before it has even had a chance to establish itself. To those people I would say - " If you find Starkers is not for you then please start another Naturist nightclub in London, it would be wonderful to have a whole host of clubbing options 'au naturel'" Sadly, of course those people never will, they will simply attack the efforts of those whose actions do speak louder than their words !!

As the man himself says and I quote " We are turning swingers into nudists not nudists into swingers. That, surely, is a good thing?

Regarding the people attending Starkers "there is only one thing us lot have in common - we like being naked. We all come to that conclusion from different angles and with different stories. I don't think any route is "wrong"." Amen to that Jamie !

To sum up:
Well done Jamie and all the Starkers crew - If anyone deserves success it is you guys & gals !

Best wishes to you,
Mrbee

[Guy L]

Originally posted by Starkers Club:
If "naturism" is more than just being nude, in that case, we are what I choose to define as "nudists" who enjoy being nude together because it's a laugh. Nothing more, nothing less. The human body is natural and it's attractive. If you are turned on by the experience, then lucky old you. If you just like the way your skin tingles when you're bare then great. If you can only really relax when you're naked, then fine. You are all welcome. Just don't invade anyone else's space and respect each other.
James

I too think that there is nothing wrong with liking to show off one's body and to like to see other's people naked bodies.

[usmc1]

CNN Lists the best places in the world to get naked

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/12/19/blue.list.ap/index.html

[Starkers Club]

We had 278 people on Friday January 6th...we keep getting bigger!

Thanks Mr. Bee for all of you kind words!

Jamie

[ncognito66]

I'm in no way trying to harm the fine things James is doing, but I did have an observation.

The bit about the links to the swingers and the fetish crowd is unfortunate but it is a fact of life

As a 10 yr webmaster, I realize that reciprocal links are a fact of life. BUT, in order for a swinging site to force you to place one, that means that you must want your link on their site. Are you actively trying to recruit swingers to come to your venue? Seems to me that I would not want my link on their site, therefore no reciprocal link would be required.

And to Cyndiannaked:

So educate them, don't lie to them! By lying you stand a good chance they will leave nudism when they figure out that there are nudists who swing, just as there are textiles that swing. We aren't exempt and shouldn't pretend to be.

The problem we have with nudism I equate to bending metal. If you take a hairpin and you want to bend to a new position, you first need to bend it past where you want to be, so when it snaps back it will be exactly where you want it.

If we want people to accept nudists as everyday ordinary people who swing, etc. the same as any textile people do, first we need to portray ourselves as way past center. If we can get them to accept us as non-sexual nudists, finally get it into their heads that nudism is based on non-sexual ideas, once we reach that point than we can add "oh, we do still have sex like everyone else".

Am I making any sense at all?

[ken0254]

Some of the links for don't take you to where the headline story says. This has happened in the past. Can this be fixed easily enough? It's very distracting to read one story, go to the next story, clink on the link and find yourself at the story you just came from.

Thanks,
ken

[NakedGary]

Almost Nude in the News!

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[hatesclothes]

i myself have mixed feeling abt 'discrimination' (which is actually to Make a Choice/Decision) in private settings.

I do believe that clubs/restaurants/lodgings that hold themselves out to be open to the public should be required to be that, even if a 'membership' requirement is enforced.

OTOH, truly Private settings should have a degree of choice/lattitude as to whom to admit & serve. That's the essence of Democracy, CHOICE.

I certaintly don't claim to know the fine points of the private - public distinctions, however.

[usmc1]

Except for the ubiquitous "fig leaf" and "letting it all hang out" pun, CNN today has this positive portrayal on its website.

Nudist resorts baring themselves to outside world

DAWSONVILLE, Georgia (AP) -- Nudist resorts are dropping the figleaf.

Clothing-free resorts have traditionally been rustic, mom-and-pop campgrounds hidden deep in the woods, away from prying eyes and bluenosed politicians. But now, fancy nude recreation spots are springing up along major highways, and resort owners are joining chambers of commerce, sponsoring charity drives and hosting civic events.

"We're no longer hiding," said Joe Lettelleir, owner of Dawsonville, Georgia's Paradise Valley Resort, who this summer proved his point by taking a cross-country trip on a bus that dared onlookers to call a toll-free number for more information.

The Dawsonville resort was once so secretive it was called Hidden Valley. It is tucked along a winding country lane, and once consisted of little more than a few RV sites around a foot-deep pond.

But now it is undergoing a major luxury expansion. Neighbors and business owners are encouraged to stop by for a look at the 108-acre property, which was turned into a clothing-optional resort to encourage more visitors. And annual fundraisers for local charities draw hundreds of motorcyclists and joggers to its gates.

The new let-it-all-hang-out attitude is reflected right down to the name of the resort, which dropped "Hidden" from its modest welcome sign three years ago.

"Once upon a time, people built walls. And the feeling was, 'We've got to have walls. We've got to be obscure,"' said Erich Schuttauf, executive director of the American Association for Nude Recreation. "That really left people wondering what happens behind those walls. Folks didn't realize it was basically just a club, what a swim and tennis club would resemble."

Owners regularly look to one of the oldest nudist spots, the Cypress Cove Nudist Resort and Spa in Kissimmee, Florida, as a pioneer of this openness.

For 20 years, the resort has hosted an annual July open house to welcome neighbors. More recently, it has sponsored a yearly chamber of commerce event and an annual Body of Art show featuring about 25 artists and their nudist artwork.

"By demystifying it, people understand us better -- and people don't think we're a bunch of crackpots," said Dean Hadley, the resort's manager.

One way to do so, a group of residents at Tampa's Paradise Lakes Resort decided five years ago, was to form the world's first nudist Lions Club. Members meet twice a month at the resort's restaurant and raise more than $10,000 each year to buy eye care for the needy and give to the blind.

"We've got to raise money from people who don't have pockets," laughed the civic group's 71-year-old president, Bob Moore. "But when it comes time to give us money, they go home and find the money!"

Big construction projects also reflect the new, not-so-shy attitude. The sprawling Desert Shadows Inn Resort and Villas in Palm Springs, California, built a "Bridge of Thighs" that links two parts of the resort across a major road, serving as a very public reminder to passing drivers in the "textile" world.

At Dawsonville's Paradise Valley, contractors are laboring on the first phase of a $30 million project to construct 152 condos and 40 townhouses, mostly for residents of nearby towns looking for a scenic weekend getaway.

The resort has only five full-time residents, but dozens of members gather each Saturday for theme parties at the Bare Cheeks Lodge. On weekends, the Valley's three pools are standing-room only, and the diner (motto: "No top, no shoes, no problem") is packed.

Gary, the Valley's resident pastor, has married at least 25 couples, many of whom met at the resort. He moved to the resort 10 years ago and never looked back.

"I've got safety, contentment and happiness," said Gary, who prefers not to use his last name. "And I've got naked people. Some pretty. Some not."

The resort is a few miles outside the Dawsonville city limits, and Mayor Joe Lane Cox said "people just kind of ignore it."

"They don't cause any problems," said Cox, a 67-year-old lifelong Dawsonville resident. "They come out in the community, attend meetings. And they're just like everybody else when they do -- they blend in."

[hatesclothes]

Originally posted by nudejosh123:
I only hope that if men sue to get into an all womens' gathering that the same result would apply. I'm not saying that I'm against a mixed gathering; I just hope that it is a two way street if males are excluded.

Maybe a requirement for the club is that everyone get naked for the gathering. With no exclusion on gender.

my take on this: No One should be intimidated to be Nude.
Nudism is good enough to stand on its own virtues/values....
I would feel sympathetic for any individual with body issues who felt coearced into taking clothes off... Nudism doesn't need pressure.

[Bobx23456]

Originally posted by Starkers Club:
I'm quite irritated by this you know.

You may have noticed Gobare has recently folded..nudism is in trouble unless more young people get involved. Why are naturist clubs packed with old timers, when young people look best naked? I'll tell you why - BECAUSE THEY ARE BORED AND SICK AND TIRED OF BEING LECTURED.
<snip>
Nudism should be fun, care free and guilt free, not this neo-puritanism thought-police.

Right. I've finished now. Now you can say your bit.


Well said Jamie. I'm not young any more, but in my view that makes me a lot more BORED AND SICK AND TIRED OF BEING LECTURED because I've been lectured to a lot longer than young people. The self styled puritanical thought police are not doing themselves or anyone else a favor.

Many people who choose to violate one large cultural taboo, going naked for example, feel that they have to wrap the whole rest of cultural morality around themselves a whole lot tighter. Violating one big taboo is scary so it is psychologically easier to cling to all the rest of the most conservative cultural taboos like flies on a flypaper. Frankly, I'm as sick and board of it as the young people who Starkers caters to, probably more so because I've been complaining about it longer than they have been around.

Naked is about living naked, not about Puritans taking off their shirt quickly to run to the pool, and putting it back on when they leave the pool, beach, etc.

The Puritans who are scared to violate any other taboo, scared that they are already too far out on a limb, are the ones who seem to run the larger nudist organizations. Well, lots of bored libertarians are apparently leaving in droves.

I may be old, but I agree with you completely, "Nudism should be fun, care free and guilt free, not this neo-puritanism thought-police." Well said Jamie.

[TigerTeam]

Today's nudescaster photo of the day looks like Randy is sporting a bit of an erection!

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Maybe the photo was taken first thing in the morning? lol

[nakedjohn]

No big deal, he must be a healthy boy, LOL

[Pete Knight]

Lush, a UK cosmetics company is trying to reduce the amount of packaging used in the cosmetics industry, their voice wasn't being heard so they employed a well known method of getting the attention of the media, they got naked. The staff in many of their retail outlets stripped off on the same day at the same time, and sad to say we do have our share of prudes, a complaint was made to the police at the Watford branch.
Edinburgh branch (http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=1086162007)
Swindon branch (http://www.thisisswindon.co.uk/display.var.1541875.0.heres_the_latest_nudes_on_gl obal_warming.php)
Oxford branch (http://www.oxfordmail.net/news/headlines/display.var.1541985.0.naked_ambition.php)
Bournemouth branch (http://www.oxfordmail.net/news/headlines/display.var.1541985.0.naked_ambition.php)
Cambridge branch (http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/city/2007/07/13/fce442b0-ced2-4f1c-a7df-29e180a70a1e.lpf)
Watford branch (http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/localnews/display.var.1542770.0.nude_shop_stunt_stopped.php)

How well would this stunt be received in the US?


Pete Knight

[Pete Knight]

Oops, Lincoln didn't like it either.

Lincoln branch (http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=156582&command=displayContent&sourceNode=156408&contentPK=17819752&folderPk=87028&bustcache=&1184337800314#views)


Pete Knight

[DoctorSurferDude]

Originally posted by TigerTeam:
Today's nudescaster photo of the day looks like Randy is sporting a bit of an erection!

Well....sorry if you percieve it that way, but that is incorrect. I was there, literally a frisbee toss away.

It was a little chilly that day, which can tighten underlying structures causing slight angular changes. But let me lay to rest any misperceptions and assure you that that the Randy I see looks the same to me as always and nothing is any larger or smaller than usual.

No erection.

[maninflipflops]

And if it was an erection so be it! Based on the size of Randy's flaccid penis it is larger than usual.

[Petrus]

I would not consider it in any way indecent if he had been fully erect, as it would have been purely by chance. I find it objectionable when men deliberately pose themselves with an erection for a self-photograph.