What happens when men get erections?

[walter05]

I was concerned that Naturist4Ever was implying there was something unnatural or dirty to having an erection.

I agree that the context is important. But we also have to admit that age is a factor. It is easier for a 50 year old man to control them than a 15 year old man.

Any behavior that is rude and offensive whether with a finger, a hand, or an erect penis is wrong. However, if we are going to invite young men to be nude, then at times, they will have nude penises. I don't want them to be running to cover up every time with the thought they have something dirty.

I also don't want to go into the bathroom and find a man relieving his erection so he will not offend. That is something that really should be private.

[David77]

I also don't want to go into the bathroom and find a man relieving his erection so he will not offend.

Science shows that twenty minutes after a man gets a "release", he is able to get another erection. Thus, he would not be very far ahead by "relieving his erection".

[soundman]

Science shows that twenty minutes after a man gets a "release", he is able to get another erection. Thus, he would not be very far ahead by "relieving his erection".

I always liked science!

[HabaneroSting]

The topic of erections is very common because it is so controversial. Men are worried about them because some are offended by them. Erections are very visible because they are aggressive in nature. However, you are intentionally hanging out with nude men. It'll happen. Those with an erection should not be flaunting it, but everyone who hangs out with nude men must realize that it's part of life.

[arakam]

I havent actually read through the whole thread coz theres 76 pages but I cant say I can ever remember getting an erection out on the beach or anything like that..... maybe too many guys are thinking the wrong things at the wrong time and at the wrong place :laugh::laugh:

[paoolos]

I would go so far as to say erections on all men are ok as long as they are not flaunting it and are not deliberate, they are a natural funtion of the male anatony and at times they cannot be helped.
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[lewisis]

Its true that public erections can be embarrassing, as they should be. the conscious mind produces the engorged member only when it is stimulatd to do so. either by sight, imagination, smell, or physical stimulation your erection is the product of a conscious mind......my suggestion? hide your troubles, take a cold shower and read the news paper....save yourself from the glares of dissapproval. those in attendence know that you are likely perving, even if just a little. if you frequently awaken with a hard one perhaps you should wear clothing when taking a nap, or you risk exposing yourself to children, which is the real no-no in my opinion. nudists like to flaunt a mindset of self control and indifference to visual sexual cues, that they have more control over their bodies and minds then the average non-nudist (although this is hardly the case). i keep hearing the same old mantras; the body is a thing of beauty, its not about sex... etc. So, why would you endevor to rationalize a public erection? You only give the anti-nudists another POINT to strenghten their arguements?

[Running Bear]

I will accept that an erection is an outward sign of the workings of the mind in most cases. There is also a small possibility that pure physical stimulation can result in an erection (yoga, running). What I do not accept is that one must, in all cases, be ashamed of these feelings. It is not the erection that concerns us but the feelings behind the erection.

Our minds are in constant flux and I doubt anybody can have full control of their mind at all times. I would suggest that one should feel that my mind has wandered a little and I have an erection is a sign of a momentary lack of control.

Having self shame should not then create shame from others. Others should accept that said individual had a momentary lapse of control which is normal. Providing one does not act on it why escalate the shame felt by the individual by further shame from others? Ignore and the individuals shame will be decrease. Make a fuss about it and the individual will be harmed.

This debate is about erections in a naturist setting by a genuine (?) naturist. The other side of the coin is those who intentionally parade an erection. With these individuals if you ignore them they get bored. They need the shock value. Make a fuss about it and they will escalate their displays.

[lewisis]

I will accept that an erection is an outward sign of the workings of the mind in most cases. There is also a small possibility that pure physical stimulation can result in an erection (yoga, running). What I do not accept is that one must, in all cases, be ashamed of these feelings. It is not the erection that concerns us but the feelings behind the erection.

Our minds are in constant flux and I doubt anybody can have full control of their mind at all times. I would suggest that one should feel that my mind has wandered a little and I have an erection is a sign of a momentary lack of control.

Having self shame should not then create shame from others. Others should accept that said individual had a momentary lapse of control which is normal. Providing one does not act on it why escalate the shame felt by the individual by further shame from others? Ignore and the individuals shame will be decrease. Make a fuss about it and the individual will be harmed.

This debate is about erections in a naturist setting by a genuine (?) naturist. The other side of the coin is those who intentionally parade an erection. With these individuals if you ignore them they get bored. They need the shock value. Make a fuss about it and they will escalate their displays.




i disagree respectfully to the notion that shame is a bad thing, harmful, and that perhaps no one should feel this emotion...... one should feel shame for certain behavior, we procecute or otherwise persecute thousands for defying law and ethics who we sometimes regard as more wholesome or redeaming for feeling shame, guilt, and/or remorse for the infraction. I say again...."there is nothing wrong with feeling shame". it is a proper response to an apparent infraction both accidental and purposeful. to deny shame is to deny ones sense of humility. And as well, humility is a tremendous state of learning. do we not learn exceptionally well when we are humble? do not our best teachers dazzle us with their bright minds and efforts? if all felt as you suggest the world would be in a terrible state....(like it isnt already). There is apparently no shame in being an unwed mother..and the sacrifice is? fatherless sons and daughters, and single unwed mother programs which are a drain on our economy. and another point: theres nothing else but "self" shame. i cannot feel shame for you, but i can feel that your actions are shameful; something for which you should feel shame.......use your noggin man, have you not a clue as to your state of being?

[walter05]

Its true that public erections can be embarrassing, as they should be.


I have never understood this. If it is okay to show a penis nude, then sometimes it will be erect.

Depending on the circumcstances, this will either be rude, threatening, or innocent.

However, there is no reason to be embarrassed because one gets an erection.

[Lord Drakkus]

I have never understood this. If it is okay to show a penis nude, then sometimes it will be erect.

This is one case where I completely agree with Walter. A penis is part of the body, in all it's forms, including erections. If we are willing to allow men to be nude in front of others, then there are going to be times that it is going to be erect. The erection itself should not be the issue, it's the behavior of the man that should be considered. If he's flaunting it, making lewd gestures, etc. then he should be put in his place. But, if he's sleeping, staring up at the sky, reading a book etc. then what's really the issue?

Many people say it's the children, but I don't believe it. Child nudists definitely know about erections already, or I see no reason why they shouldn't. If you're truly trying to teach your children nudist values: body acceptance, that there is nothing wrong with the human body in any way etc. then why stigmatize erections? That's actually teaching your sons that they should be ashamed of a natural part of their own bodies, which is against the nudist philosophy on a number of levels.

The real issue is that even some nudists think an erection is always sexual, even though oftentimes it's not. But, how is this any different than the "textile" view of nudity always being sexual? I don't think it is any different. There are definitely some nudists who are actually into the lifestyle for sexual reasons, but most are not. There are also men who always get erections for sexual reasons, but oftentimes that's also not the case. Many men, and more often teenagers, frequently get erections for no cause whatsoever. Are we to shun/shame any of these men just the same as nudists are shunned/shamed by the "textile" society? I don't think so. We have no more right to stigmatize a man with an erection with no corresponding negative behavior than a "textile" does to nudists in general.

That being said, I will still cover up if I ever happen to get an erection in a nudist gathering. Not because I believe that it should be an issue, but simply because I would like to avoid the stigma of being labeled a pervert.

[lewisis]

I have never understood this. If it is okay to show a penis nude, then sometimes it will be erect.

Depending on the circumcstances, this will either be rude, threatening, or innocent.

However, there is no reason to be embarrassed because one gets an erection.

perhaps what you really dont understand is the concept of propriety. it is a pity and shameful that every acton, deed, circumstance, and happenstance including a boner, is defended by at least one. you are probably in favor of open sexual conduct as well...there is no reasoning with a shallow, self obsorbed, and non thinking person. it is sometimes too much of a stretch for some to consider the long term ramifications of unprincipled and egoistic behavior. but be my guest....show your erection off to the nearest cop and see if he is as understanding and accepting as you think he should be....perhaps you will encounter a {edited}.......the intentions of the boner owner is not all that important....it is public perception that counts. the nudest movement would have progressed much further by now if it wasnt for tasteless habits of individuals who cannot or will not control themselves.

[BlobbyBob]

Good thing we have the 'ignore list'

[Lord Drakkus]

Resorting to personal attacks to defend your point is generally the best way to invalidate your own point, but I'll try to weed out the actual purpose of your post anyway.

1. perhaps what you really dont understand is the concept of propriety. it is a pity and shameful that every acton, deed, circumstance, and happenstance including a boner, is defended by at least one. Propriety is not a concept, it's more of a local phenomena.


Main Entry:pro·pri·e·ty

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Function:noun

Inflected Form(s):plural pro·pri·e·ties

Etymology:Middle English propriete, from Anglo-French proprieté, propreté property, quality of a person or thing — more at property (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/property)Date:14th century

1 obsolete : true nature

2 obsolete : a special characteristic : peculiarity (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peculiarity)

3: the quality or state of being proper : appropriateness (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/appropriateness)

4 a: conformity to what is socially acceptable in conduct or speech
b: fear of offending against conventional rules of behavior especially between the sexes
c plural : the customs and manners of polite society

I believe what you are talking about is 4a, which I've made bold. In your post you stated that you believed Walter (and by extension, myself, since I agree with him) did not understand the concept. However, that's also assuming that our opinion on this must mean that we are unwilling to conform to this standard of acceptable conduct. That's simply not the case. Having an opinion on something does not necessarily dictate ones conduct. Many people, including myself, act contrarily to our opinions/beliefs out of a sense of propriety. I'm sure you do the same.

edit: After reading your post (http://www.clothesfreeforum.com/showpost.php?p=223799&postcount=14) in the "why am I afraid to be naked" thread, where you said "'modern standards' have little bearing, there is very little that is standard within the american culture, except perhaps death and taxes." It seems you are a bit inconsistent. As you can see, propriety IS conforming to modern standards. From the looks of things you yourself don't have the proper concept of propriety.
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2. You are probably in favor of open sexual conduct as well...Accusing somebody of being for something which is completely separate from something they are defending is illogical. If you're debating somebody, keep it to the points they themselves have made, and don't make up an issue simply to insult the other person. Open sexual conduct is a completely different concept than an erection, and should be argued separately from each other.

3. There is no reasoning with a shallow, self obsorbed, and non thinking person. it is sometimes too much of a stretch for some to consider the long term ramifications of unprincipled and egoistic behavior. but be my guest....Perhaps you should have a look in the mirror, and possibly take your own advice.

4. show your erection off to the nearest cop and see if he is as understanding and accepting as you think he should be....perhaps you will encounter a gay cop who would rather lick it then ticket.......the intentions of the boner owner is not all that important....it is public perception that counts.We're not talking about erections is the public space right now. What we're talking about is erections in sanctioned nudist areas. In this particular context, where acceptance is generally the policy for most, and behavior is the key to acceptance in that community. Why shouldn't the actions of the man who has the erection be considered, instead of the erection itself? This is the point we're arguing, not whether or not a police officer would want perform fellatio on the man.

5. The nudest movement would have progressed much further by now if it wasnt for tasteless habits of individuals who cannot or will not control themselves.You are entitled to your own opinion on that. The general consensus within the nudist community is that many groups, as well as individuals, call themselves "nudist" to capitalize on the movement of those who know what it is, when they're really just sex clubs, or some other organization that is, in fact, antithetical to the nudist cause. This distorts the public perception concerning nudism and leads them to believe that nudists themselves are only interested in sex and simply try to put a pretty face on it to get more people into their "perverted" lifestyle.

[Journeyman]

....Edited Content.......

It's rather sad that you're showing your homophobia to an international audience by resorting to crude stereotypes.

[walter05]

On other threads, I have challenged your claims that a married couple having sex or the naked body is potentially evil.

I will make myself very clear.

Genesis tells us that married men and women are commanded to have sex. Even Moses is said to have had sex with his wife. I believe that sex for a married couple is holy and wonderful. I believe it should be private. Not because it is shameful, but because Holiness should be separated from the mondane.

I am absolutely not in favor of public open sex.

I have long rejected the concept that nudity is good and sex is bad.

I have more than once said that penises sometimes get erect, if it is okay to have one nude, it is okay for it to be nude and erect.

I believe you have a morbid view of sex. I hate to tell you this but an erect penis ejaculating in a vagina led to your being a living breathing human being. You are in the image of your creator. There is nothing dirty about the organs or acts that created you.

You have a morbid view of sexuality. Your profile indicates that you are male. That means you have a penis and it sometimes gets erect. At times it gets erect when you don't want to. It is reasonable that you would have shame and conflicted feelings since you find sex to be so animalistic instead of holy.

Your openly anti-gay attack is reasonable since you hate your own sexuality and have a lot of guilt. I pity you.

Drakkus and I have often disagreed. We have done so openly, politely, respectfully, and at times with a bit of humor. He said, "The erection itself should not be the issue, it's the behavior of the man that should be considered." I could not agree more than with this statement.

A leacherous man without an erection would be quite offensive. A teenage male who is playing basketball and gets an erection as a result of the movement caused by the game is nothing but healthy.

Please take some time to think about your own views about sex and your own sexuality. Learn to appreciate and realize how holy and wonderful your body is. That includes your scrotum with the testes producing sperm and your penis that can get erect and deliver the life giving sperm. When you have a healthier view of your own sexuality, you will be a lot happier, and healthier.

[Ren]

All right, when I saw the topic, I clicked and actually saw the original posting. The possible reason you have an erection when you fall asleep while sunbathing is a physiological issue. During REM sleep, muscle tone is down, so you are completely relaxed and according to a scientific paper I recently read, the erection is simply a correlate to the REM sleep state - usually is independent of dream content, etc. These erections are involuntary and according to the paper, the fact that they happen are used to measure impotence in men to see if it's physiological or psychological. If they don't happen during REM sleep, there could be something physiological. There are different sleep states, so if you're sunbathing, asleep, and don't awaken to an erection, it doesn't necessarily mean something is inherently wrong.

[bernardc]

I think we as nudists/naturists should be mature beryond being ofended by erections.I have taught my son that should he sprout an erection,he has nothing to be shy about or ashamed of.Its part of being a male,and has a physiological action.Its plain and simple,that the corpus fills with blood due to the heat and aepansion of the vessels.Its nothing to be ashamed of.Just think,if nudists get offended by it...perhaps they have not overcome their shame side yet,and still associate erections with badness.Its normal,and should be seen as such.But,if however the real reason for erections are lust driven,then i agree,GET DRESSED...but if a person sleeps on the beach and gets an erection...so what of it...penises are supposed to get erect now and then...

[Peter B]

To add further to the multitude of confusing points of view-and I do not know if this is already covered-I have prostate trouble, which neccisitates (spelling?)going to the toilet frequently in the night, usually 3 and 5 o clock.

At times I am surprised with a champion woody, utterly useless, since I am 68. my wife is asleep. so it is a temporary affliction.


Apart from this, if a man gets an erection, wanted or unwanted, he takes up a bit more of his allotted space......good on him.And he can hang a towel off it, even better.

Lighten up , please, the size of penesis and the secret life of this Wicked Willy are done to death Forget about it

[bernardc]

we must start teaching people that erections normal and should not be seen as the exception to the rule.When a child sees the erection,which has been raised in a nudist environment,they wont think twice of it.The problem lies the erectee,he feels uncomfortable with an erection,whyevet for,I realy cannot say.Once I went to our local nudist beach,and as I entredthe path leading to the beach,for some unknown reason,i started erecting visciousely.one of those horrid extra ones,and had no towel on me immediately.To top it all,a father and his two teen children,a boy and girl was heading back,but were partially clothed,i.e in their shorts.I had no oppertunity to cover,and in any case,if they would see me hastily covering up,it could rouse suspiscion,and in any case,the towel itself would have exhibbited the erection in any way.So i just smiled as they walked past me,and they just giggled.It was pointless any way,seeing that it is a nudist beach any way,and the erection did not subside until almost ten minutes later,in which process I passed a few other people on the way..but they were naked...it was no big deal for me.we as males must accept that happening,and know,its part of us,and learn to be comfortable with the erection should it happen.Besides,its not all that often that nudist actually sprout erections in public,the erection is in any case here,the exception to the rule....but then again...what rule...?

[paulyk]

hi guys, just wanted to add my bit, so to speak. I often get an erection at a nude beach, i certainly dont feel its disgusting?? we are all here from an erection?? its the most natural thing in the world, i think you can tell the times when its innapropriate, and when its not, ive been in groups where a coupoe of the gusy including me have full erections or semis and no one says anything?? guys get erections everyday at various times but are normally clothed, so when yr nude...its gonna show right?
thnx alot
Paul

[Ski Dude]

I just flip over and chill for a few minutes and then all is well. I'm glad it still works.

[FreeinNJ]

I am with the sitting down or flipping over. only once did it happen to me without noticing it , lucky no one really cared but did say I should go sit until it goes away. AT night it is not a big deal , hard to see who has what then anyhow

[nakenone]

Wrong,it does matter if your in a group an sporting an erection .Your use of the word sporting indicates your intent.Go get a cold shower.Your entittled to your opinion,but trying to bs the forum by saying its a natural happening an its cool to hang around in a group with your bone up thats crap .This type of exibit may fly in swingers,or gay groups,other than that roll over,towel over or take the other boner guys with you somewhere else private.

[JoseO42]

I have been lucky so far not to have to experience an erection at Haulover Beach. I have been going for a month now and so far I have been spared the potential embarrassment of having to deal with this issue. I hope that I never have to deal with this although I know to either turn over, cover up with a towel or get into the water until my penis returns back to its flacid state.

On a similar topic, for those of you who have experienced an erection in a nudist setting, what was your experience when it first occurred. Was it embarrassment, was it fear that someone might see you in an aroused state, were you angry with your body for placing you in such a state in front of others?

Myself if it ever happens, I think I would experience a great deal of embarrassment and would probably feel the need to apologize to anyone around me if they saw me like that.

[kabul111]

there are times when sunbathing that I find myself sprouting an erection, especially on a warm afternoon when I sometimes fall asleep. so, the question is, do the majority of nudists find this disgusting or is there an understanding that it is a natural event while being naked outdoors? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I think it is natural and you will not have this when you are used to the environment.