Chavez threatens Brownfield

[nacktman]

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has threatened U.S. Ambassador Brownfield with explusion from the country if he doesn't stop stirring up trouble.

Brownfield has encountered violent protests to his presence 3 times in as many weeks but insists he can do as he pleases and Chavez can't do a thing about it.

Damn right, it's about time the rest of the world comes to terms with the fact we Americans can and will do what we want, when we want, how we want ... it's OUR planet after all, they're just hangers on! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shout.gif

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The neo-con mentality at work there folks. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sick.gif

And we wonder why America is despised by a "few" people? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

[tinner666]

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[usmc1]

Let's see, they've got oil.

So when we get done nuking Iran for going into the development of a a nuclear weapon, let's invade and occupy them and overturn this evil dictator.

Regime Change R Us.

[Qikdraw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by usmc1:
Let's see, they've got oil.

So when we get done nuking Iran for going into the development of a a nuclear weapon, let's invade and occupy them and overturn this evil dictator.

Regime Change R Us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Bush has already supported overthrowing him, but it hasn't worked out.

Whats funny is this administration calls him a 'destabalizing' force in South America. Like the US hasn't been for ages... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/tongue.gif

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[Baron Lake]

Where oh where is Pat Robinson when we really need him?
b.l.

[usmc1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Baron Lake:
Where oh where is Pat Robinson when we really need him?
b.l. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Accoding to recent news you're not going to get him by phone..he doesn't answer anymore for fear it's bill collectors at the other end.

[florida-david]

i personally like chavez, as he is a large thorn in bush's booty

[blackrebel]

I dont see Ms. Chavez offering to take Mexican refugees. Oh, wait, we have people in his country invading our borders also.

Wake up people. Love your country more than you feed your blind hatred of this White House.

[Qikdraw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blackrebel:
Wake up people. Love your country more than you feed your blind hatred of this White House. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excuse me but the majority of people speaking out love this country. They speak out because they see this country going in the wrong direction.

What you suggest, that people speaking out hate their country, goes against everything this country was founded on. You, apparently, are the one who hates the American ideals.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Theodore Roosevelt

Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels -- men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, we may never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

It is the fist responsibility of every citizen to question authority.
Benjamin Franklin

Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have... a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean the characters and conduct of their rulers.
John Adams

Be not intimidated... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
John Adams

The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.
Samuel Adams

It is a very great mistake to imagine that the object of loyalty is the authority and interest of one individual man, however dignified by the applause or enriched by the success of popular actions.
Samuel Adams

Ours was the first revolution in the history of mankind that truly reversed the course of government, and with three little words: 'We the people.' 'We the people' tell the government what to do, it doesn't tell us. 'We the people' are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast. Almost all the world's constitutions are documents in which governments tell the people what their privileges are. Our Constitution is a document in which 'We the people' tell the government what it is allowed to do. 'We the people' are free.
Ronald Reagan

To criticize one's country is to do it a service .... Criticism, in short, is more than a right; it is an act of patriotism - a higher form of patriotism, I believe, than the familiar rituals and national adulation.
William Fulbright, American senator

Stop trying to subvert America into believing we should all be sheep to our government. You need to start loving what America stands for.

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[Big-Thinker]

I'm with rebel. Chavez is a real "wacko" (as the great Senator John McCain has put it) to say the least.

1. He is an idiot to so brazenly defy the US. Is the US always right? No way, but it is really asking for it to challenge us.

2. Socialism/communism has played out in miserable failure many times now. Here we have another trying to guarantee POVERTY, OPRESSION, and GLOBAL ISOLATION for all Venezuelan citizens. Gee, what a pal. Is that what a leader does? Sounds more like a supreme traitor to his people to me.

See the big picture folks! Imagine how history will really play out if we let our enemies have their way, as they continually test us!


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[nacktman]

Five of you have got the point of the posting, others however ...

[nacktman]

Baron, I know you have stated you were a conservative, but some of your posts have me thinking you might be what I've heard called a "recovering conservative".
Is this true, if it is congratulations.

[Qikdraw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Big-Thinker:
I'm with rebel. Chavez is a real "wacko" (as the great Senator John McCain has put it) to say the least. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He's a wacko because he actually supports his peole before big busniess? Yeah I can see why republicans don't like him...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">1. He is an idiot to so brazenly defy the US. Is the US always right? No way, but it is really asking for it to challenge us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He challenges the US yes, but he hasn't threatened the US is any way. He has helped out, in fact he was helping out after Katrina before the US gov was. He gave the east coast heating fuel to help keep the cost down for Americans. Of course the government took that fuel, then still charged high in the east.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">2. Socialism/communism has played out in miserable failure many times now. Here we have another trying to guarantee POVERTY, OPRESSION, and GLOBAL ISOLATION for all Venezuelan citizens. Gee, what a pal. Is that what a leader does? Sounds more like a supreme traitor to his people to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you even know what Chavez has done for his people? It doesn't sound like you do at all. It sounds like you're just going off the threats this administration is making towards him.

Plus he is not communist, but he is socialist. All that means is he is more concerned that gopvernment money is spent on the people, and not given away in tax breaks to the weathly. I can understand why Republicans hate him.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">See the big picture folks! Imagine how history will really play out if we let our enemies have their way, as they continually test us! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow. So any country that decides it wants to run its own country in a way the US might not like is now our enemy? What a joke. IS Canada our enemy too? I mean they have a socialist government too! National heathcare, social security, etc... Canada also has the worlds largest oil reserves in the Oil Sands. Dammit! The majority of Canadians are even livign close to the American border. I'm sure this means massive Canadian immigration to get away from their 12 month a year winter! I think we should invade!!!

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[ncnudlady]

I get it!

Funny ...

[NudistGuy47]

This thread certainly drew some interesting responses. Thank goodness we are citizens of the US and can state our opinions and thoughts on the Web without fear of reprisal.

My take on Chavez is that he is a fanatic. He is Socialist and has "threatened" to move the country toward the Socialist model of Cuba. That means all foreign owned assets would become state property through expropriation. There is no remittance to the former owners for their investment in the economy of Venezuela. Since the majority of investment is in the oil sector, that means companies like Texaco and Mobil/Exxon would lose billions.

One of my students is of Venezuelan descent. Her mother is an immigrant from Venezuela. According to her account, the people in Venezuela are being treated very poorly and the quality of life has deteriorated for the majority since Chavez took office. The remaining family in Venezuela have lost the personal wealth they built through hard work. This does not sound like a leader focused on providing for the people and being a sound leader of state.

I will cautiously watch the situation there and see what the people do and how it all plays out on the world stage.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That means all foreign owned assets would become state property through expropriation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well no, not really. Most Americans are unaware of it since knowledge about Cuba is illegal here, but Capitalism is very active in Cuba, which is trying to emulate the China or Vietnam model. Many multinationals operate there, mainly in the thriving tourism industry. Just no American companies (except those that use wholly owned foreign subsidiaries like Halliburton does to trade with Iran).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba/Economy

As for Chavez, I wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw him. Before he came to power democratically, he attempted to take power in a military coup. His rule has been increasingly authoritarian, even though he continues to enjoy widespread popular support in the lower and middle classes - no doubt largely due to his reigning in of the corrupt economic elite who controlled Venuzeula in the past. He has done some good things for his country, but he is no more democratic than his predecessors and I would suggest he is a great risk of becoming another Mugabe.

-Mark

[nacktman]

Chavez is a petty despot and will ultimately fail ... all despots do ... but it is not the place of the government of the U.S. to dictate how the country of Venezuela is governed nor is the place of the "Corporate Interests" (which currently means the same thing when speaking of the U.S.).

The people of Venezuela chose Chavez (more or less) and are living with that choice.
How's it working out you say ... Not to good ... though as Mark pointed out Chavez has reigned in the "Corporate Elite" in Venezuela and that is what earned him the animosity of the Corpo/Gov or is it Govo/Corp of the United States, he has moved his nation toward polarization in the other direction and the lower and middle class are beginning to feel the pinch again, and it feels just like it did before he "took over".
When the people of Venezuela have had enough of him, Chavez will disappear from the political scene ... that is if the U.S. decides to let the people of Venezuela run their own country and dosen't decide to run it for them before they are ready to have it run by the U.S..