pushing the envelope

[RIVERRAT]

I live in a fish bowl, I have the area recreation center behind my house, the parking lot is my back yard 100' back, my front yard is the state route to town, I have mowed the lawn nude and sunbathed nude, front and back, I wish to go beyond that, to wash the car and do other yard work nude. push the envelope. Tell us of your extra curricular nude goals???

[RIVERRAT]

I live in a fish bowl, I have the area recreation center behind my house, the parking lot is my back yard 100' back, my front yard is the state route to town, I have mowed the lawn nude and sunbathed nude, front and back, I wish to go beyond that, to wash the car and do other yard work nude. push the envelope. Tell us of your extra curricular nude goals???

[Jochanaan]

I'm impressed, Riverrat! My goals are a little less ambitious--an early morning streak, a few trails hiked naked, maybe a skinny dip in the city creek (I saw someone do that once in broad daylight, before I understood about nudism). Or maybe I could do a mountain bike trail ride in the nude, like I saw someone do once. But for now I'll be happy if I find a naked group and join them.

[Gary Naturist]

I'm going to Florida shortly, staying in a motel in a poolside room. I plan to swim laps nude in the early morning each day, and also walk to and from the room nude.

This summer, I'm going to experiment with cycling nude on quiet country roads, wearing only shoes. In Ontario, wearing anything means that you are not nude, and cannot be charged with public nudity.

Gary

[turkishnudes]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In Ontario, wearing anything means that you are not nude, and cannot be charged with public nudity.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This seems interesting. What exactly does "anything" mean? Could it be as simple as an earing for example, or does it have to be an item of clothing - a hat maybe?

If this is the case, then it means we should all move to Ontario and live our peaceful naked lives!

[RalphVa]

I live at the end of a road, and there's a slight rise in my straight-in, approx. 200' long driveway. The house to the left is very visible. The house to the right is only visible for a short distance about mid-way down my driveway.

I work nude around the house all the time and occasionally go to the mailbox nude.

My back yard is totally private and goes down to a very natural area along the creek. I walk nude in the back and down below across about 5 neighbors' properties to the left and cross 2 neighbors' properties to the right (1 has 40 acres on this side of the creek).

Saw a guy on the creek yesterday afternoon in a kayak. He just said "Hi" and asked me where he was. I told him what streets were nearby. He's put in at the Ivy Creek Natural Area, about a mile down stream. Otherwise, I almost never see anyone down there.

Ralph

[krcNY]

We try to see how long we can go without clothing. We live in the country but have a very close neighbor. Part of the yard is hidden from them, but we try to stay hidden until they are not home. There have been days they came home early and surprised us. (I wonder if they know) I work from home, I take my books out to the deck and hang out there, my husband brings out his weight benches and does his workout outside on the deck as well. I was caught by my neighbor just sunbathing pregnant, now he clears his throat as he comes over. We have not the nerve to ask and speak of naturism to them.It would also be nice if we could be out there without the thought of when are they going to come home lingering over our head all day.

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by krcNY:
I was caught by my neighbor just sunbathing pregnant, now he clears his throat as he comes over. We have not the nerve to ask and speak of naturism to them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Seems to me that you're halfway there with your neighbour. He knows, and you know that he knows. Now you just want to make sure that he knows that you know that he knows. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Next time he comes over why not ask him why he clears his throat? That'll give you the opportunity to bring it all out into the open.

Good luck.

Rik

[Gary Naturist]

Turkisnudes: A local gay men's nudist group marched nude except for footwear in last year's Gay Pride parade and were seen by hundreds of thousands of people. They were initially charged with public nudity, but the charges were dropped because they were not completely bare.

I'm quite sure that a hat or headband or white gloves would qualify a person as being not completely bare. I don't know whether wearing a wristwatch, ring or earring would be enough, but if completely bare means completely bare then maybe this would be enough.

Gary

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jochanaan:
I'm impressed, Riverrat! My goals are a little less ambitious--an early morning streak, a few trails hiked naked, maybe a skinny dip in the city creek (I saw someone do that once in broad daylight, before I understood about nudism). Or maybe I could do a mountain bike trail ride in the nude, like I saw someone do once. But for now I'll be happy if I find a naked group and join them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Basicaly thats my goal, there are no nudists here or they are so far in the closet, they'll see daylight never, I wish to see daylight and be naked, poetic isn't, I'm not into poetry, I'm into reality.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by krcNY:
We try to see how long we can go without clothing. We live in the country but have a very close neighbor. Part of the yard is hidden from them, but we try to stay hidden until they are not home. There have been days they came home early and surprised us. (I wonder if they know) I work from home, I take my books out to the deck and hang out there, my husband brings out his weight benches and does his workout outside on the deck as well. I was caught by my neighbor just sunbathing pregnant, now he clears his throat as he comes over. We have not the nerve to ask and speak of naturism to them.It would also be nice if we could be out there without the thought of when are they going to come home lingering over our head all day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You are new here, where in upstate, just area, not town, we have others here.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gary Naturist:
I'm going to Florida shortly, staying in a motel in a poolside room. I plan to swim laps nude in the early morning each day, and also walk to and from the room nude.

This summer, I'm going to experiment with cycling nude on quiet country roads, wearing only shoes. In Ontario, wearing anything means that you are not nude, and cannot be charged with public nudity.
this is my goal, Iam retired now and I guess I will be arressted alot.
Gary <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[RIVERRAT]

The, this is my goal part is mine and I too am Gary, most of you know me as riverrat, I will remain riverrat, now 1. Welcome RRII.

[RIVERRAT]

oh bye the way RATII, you need a picture at least an avatar, we must be differrant in that, so friends will know.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RalphVa:
I live at the end of a road, and there's a slight rise in my straight-in, approx. 200' long driveway. The house to the left is very visible. The house to the right is only visible for a short distance about mid-way down my driveway.

I work nude around the house all the time and occasionally go to the mailbox nude.

My back yard is totally private and goes down to a very natural area along the creek. I walk nude in the back and down below across about 5 neighbors' properties to the left and cross 2 neighbors' properties to the right (1 has 40 acres on this side of the creek).

Saw a guy on the creek yesterday afternoon in a kayak. He just said "Hi" and asked me where he was. I told him what streets were nearby. He's put in at the Ivy Creek Natural Area, about a mile down stream. Otherwise, I almost never see anyone down there.

Ralph <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ralph you live in a dream world for most of us, Stay nude and enjoy

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by krcNY:
We try to see how long we can go without clothing. We live in the country but have a very close neighbor. Part of the yard is hidden from them, but we try to stay hidden until they are not home. There have been days they came home early and surprised us. (I wonder if they know) I work from home, I take my books out to the deck and hang out there, my husband brings out his weight benches and does his workout outside on the deck as well. I was caught by my neighbor just sunbathing pregnant, now he clears his throat as he comes over. We have not the nerve to ask and speak of naturism to them.It would also be nice if we could be out there without the thought of when are they going to come home lingering over our head all day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's your turf, just S____ the neighbors, it's your place, and if they have questians tell them stay at home, you have the right to be naked and if they don't like it they have there own place, go there.I'm a little insensative because of where I live, but you have a life they can come and go as they please, but you have your life, they had betrer accept that.

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by krcNY:
We try to see how long we can go without clothing. We live in the country but have a very close neighbor. Part of the yard is hidden from them, but we try to stay hidden until they are not home. There have been days they came home early and surprised us. (I wonder if they know) I work from home, I take my books out to the deck and hang out there, my husband brings out his weight benches and does his workout outside on the deck as well. I was caught by my neighbor just sunbathing pregnant, now he clears his throat as he comes over. We have not the nerve to ask and speak of naturism to them.It would also be nice if we could be out there without the thought of when are they going to come home lingering over our head all day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's your turf, just S____ the neighbors, it's your place, and if they have questians tell them stay at home, you have the right to be naked and if they don't like it they have there own place, go there.I'm a little insensative because of where I live, but you have a life they can come and go as they please, but you have your life, they had betrer accept that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Have you by any chance read this other thread (http://www.clothesfree.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=000032) yet? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[krcNY]

Thank you Missouriboy.
That is alot of scrolling.

To answer Riverratt- I do care- it is called courtesy. We do not want to offend them, and cause the kids to not be able to come over. He is a strict parent and very set in his ways.

Once we build our new garage, we will have more private space. Their only way over will be to ring the doorbell or to come through a gate and hedge. Which will also give us a chance to cover up.

I will be more relaxed and we will keep the peace.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jochanaan:
I'm impressed, Riverrat! My goals are a little less ambitious--an early morning streak, a few trails hiked naked, maybe a skinny dip in the city creek (I saw someone do that once in broad daylight, before I understood about nudism). Or maybe I could do a mountain bike trail ride in the nude, like I saw someone do once. But for now I'll be happy if I find a naked group and join them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I guess the reason I push the envopope here is the lack of nude things to do, just being naked when I can and hope to get away with it.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gary Naturist:
I'm going to Florida shortly, staying in a motel in a poolside room. I plan to swim laps nude in the early morning each day, and also walk to and from the room nude.

This summer, I'm going to experiment with cycling nude on quiet country roads, wearing only shoes. In Ontario, wearing anything means that you are not nude, and cannot be charged with public nudity.
you've got it all, would like to join you, if the world was so free we wouldn't be headed for war.
Gary <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RalphVa:
I live at the end of a road, and there's a slight rise in my straight-in, approx. 200' long driveway. The house to the left is very visible. The house to the right is only visible for a short distance about mid-way down my driveway.

I work nude around the house all the time and occasionally go to the mailbox nude.

My back yard is totally private and goes down to a very natural area along the creek. I walk nude in the back and down below across about 5 neighbors' properties to the left and cross 2 neighbors' properties to the right (1 has 40 acres on this side of the creek).

Saw a guy on the creek yesterday afternoon in a kayak. He just said "Hi" and asked me where he was. I told him what streets were nearby. He's put in at the Ivy Creek Natural Area, about a mile down stream. Otherwise, I almost never see anyone down there.

Ralph <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You've got it all, enjoy

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by krcNY:
We try to see how long we can go without clothing. We live in the country but have a very close neighbor. Part of the yard is hidden from them, but we try to stay hidden until they are not home. There have been days they came home early and surprised us. (I wonder if they know) I work from home, I take my books out to the deck and hang out there, my husband brings out his weight benches and does his workout outside on the deck as well. I was caught by my neighbor just sunbathing pregnant, now he clears his throat as he comes over. We have not the nerve to ask and speak of naturism to them.It would also be nice if we could be out there without the thought of when are they going to come home lingering over our head all day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ya know it's sad we can't do our own thing in our yard.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by missouriboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by krcNY:
We try to see how long we can go without clothing. We live in the country but have a very close neighbor. Part of the yard is hidden from them, but we try to stay hidden until they are not home. There have been days they came home early and surprised us. (I wonder if they know) I work from home, I take my books out to the deck and hang out there, my husband brings out his weight benches and does his workout outside on the deck as well. I was caught by my neighbor just sunbathing pregnant, now he clears his throat as he comes over. We have not the nerve to ask and speak of naturism to them.It would also be nice if we could be out there without the thought of when are they going to come home lingering over our head all day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's your turf, just S____ the neighbors, it's your place, and if they have questians tell them stay at home, you have the right to be naked and if they don't like it they have there own place, go there.I'm a little insensative because of where I live, but you have a life they can come and go as they please, but you have your life, they had betrer accept that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Have you by any chance read this other thread (http://www.clothesfree.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=000032) yet? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That would be a no, but I will.

[RIVERRAT]

Now I have read the thread, THREAD, what is that, My entries are always short, what has this to do with me??????

[fns]

I like to try to push the envelope, but I chicken out when the price might be too high. My place is secluded, so I can do anything I want on my property, although some spots can be seen from the road. I'm just a bit careful in those areas. Last summer, the road was closed while they replaced a bridge. It was nice to be able to take nude walks on the road. Was surprised a couple times though by a car going down to see the construction. Also, a neighbor from way up the road cycled past me once, didn't know he was there. No problem though. krcNY, did you say where in NY you are? I'm very near Riverrat.

[krcNY]

fns,
I am not that far north. But we do live in the mountains and enjoy our partial privacy. Unfortunately we do live on a main road, and get alot of traffic(rush hour).So we keep to the back. Our back yard is our haven, we have a couple of acres, our neighbor can only see right by the back of house. We set up a picnic area in the far corner and can sit by the fire, and hang out unconcerned that they will show up.
We spend time every summer up in the Keene Valley Region and do some hiking with the family. It is so pretty up there. Haven't passed anyone on our hikes so far. If we did, I wonder how many of them would be fully clothed. I hear of alot of nudist hikers in the area.

[rainman]

Are you looking for a bit of a challenge to help you broaden your naturist horizons ? Have a look at The Secret Naturist Societies website.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rainman:
Are you looking for a bit of a challenge to help you broaden your naturist horizons ? Have a look at The Secret Naturist Societies website. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Where is it?

[Bob S.]

Shh Cyndiann. It's a secret!

Bob S.

[Hokienudist]

Here's a link:

http://www.secretnaturistsociety.com/secrets/index.php

[Suntied]

Hokienudist and Rainman,
Interesting sight and idea. However, if you are a secret nudist because you do not want to be seen whilst nude, wouldn't that make you a non-nudist. I had been a closet nudist for many years. I've done everything that that sight pertains to to be nude whenever I can. Yet, the liberation I felt when I became social with my nudity was a top of the list experience. I'm not sure you are a nudist if you keep it a secret. Granted, there is alot of thrill or danger in being nude when you may get caught, but it isn't a lifestyle I can promote as I live it almost everyday. I would rather not have to worry about getting caught when I venture out in the world naked because the feeling is the thrill, not the suspence.

Just giving my opinion on the link and idea,
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Suntied /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Hokienudist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Suntied:
Hokienudist and Rainman,
Interesting sight and idea. However, if you are a secret nudist because you do not want to be seen whilst nude, wouldn't that make you a non-nudist. I had been a closet nudist for many years. I've done everything that that sight pertains to to be nude whenever I can. Yet, the liberation I felt when I became social with my nudity was a top of the list experience. I'm not sure you are a nudist if you keep it a secret. Granted, there is alot of thrill or danger in being nude when you may get caught, but it isn't a lifestyle I can promote as I live it almost everyday. I would rather not have to worry about getting caught when I venture out in the world naked because the feeling is the thrill, not the suspence.

Just giving my opinion on the link and idea,
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Suntied /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Suntied: I assure you that i am no secret naturist by any means. I just knew of the site and gave a link. I dont really agree with the views of the site, i just knew of it.

[Suntied]

Okay... cool! Just flapping my fingers (instead of gums... get it?). /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Suntied:
Hokienudist and Rainman,
Interesting sight and idea. However, if you are a secret nudist because you do not want to be seen whilst nude, wouldn't that make you a non-nudist. I had been a closet nudist for many years. I've done everything that that sight pertains to to be nude whenever I can. Yet, the liberation I felt when I became social with my nudity was a top of the list experience. I'm not sure you are a nudist if you keep it a secret. Granted, there is alot of thrill or danger in being nude when you may get caught, but it isn't a lifestyle I can promote as I live it almost everyday. I would rather not have to worry about getting caught when I venture out in the world naked because the feeling is the thrill, not the suspence.

Just giving my opinion on the link and idea,
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Suntied /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm the push the envelope person who has little leagle options, I pretty much have to take chances to be nude, I don't want to get caught, my church community would probably frown on that, I just want to be nude.

I may be wrong as usual, but I believe there are many of us who cannot be completely open with EVERYONE about being a nudist and that we go to places where there are other nude men, women and children, or that we actually ENJOY being nude.

Some people here have mentioned that their job could be in jeopardy if it became common knowledge. Others are afraid of losing church positions (deacon, etc.) and being told to "repent" or leave the church. I used to fear that last one; I don't any more. I may not tell the people of my church, but I won't deny it. Other people have other reasons that are logical to them as to why they can't tell everyone about it. I've reached the point where, though I don't go up to everyone I know and say I'm a nudist, I don't CARE who knows. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[EricNY]

No Jon-Marc, you are NOT wrong, I think you speak for a lot of us.

As much as I would like to be 100% candid with everyone, I can not. The misguided thoughts of others could jeapordize areas of my life.

unfortunate, but true

It's strange that people can be open and honest with others about nearly every aspect of their lives except their nudity. I can say I'm a Christian to anyone without any fear of negative repercussions. I get laughed at and ridiculed, but I'll live. People can say they're gay, and though there are those who don't approve, gererally nothing will happen to them although there are attacks on gays sometimes. People can say they're for abortion. However, you say you're a nudist and all kinds of thoughts go through the other person's mind, and you hear all kinds of negative attitudes about nudity.

I wish I could say "I'm a nudist, and I go to a nudist resort when it's warm enough" to other Christians like I can say "I'm a Christian" to anyone. I wish I could have told the song leader this last year at my church where I was going camping when he asked me. I actually lied to him and said I hadn't decide when I knew I was going to Turtle Lake Resort for a week. I KNOW I would have been asked to give up this "sin" or leave the church. Now I just don't care if they find out although I won't volunteer the information.

[gamblefish]

Same here, Jon=Marc. Although I cannot be fired for being a nudist, I know the ridicule and jokes at work would be relentless. However, I am taking small steps toward "coming out" to those I work with. I know it is only a matter of time before the cat is out, but small steps make it easier.

On the flip side, my wife, who is not much of a nudist (yet!!!) has no problem telling her co-workers that her husband is a nudist! I told her that I do not care who knows, but I must say I was a bit shocked when she told me last night, "Oh, I told so-and-so that you are a nudist.". I covered it well, and said, "Oh, really? What did he say?".
Here's the kicker...he said, "No kidding? Me too! I hate wearing clothes." He went on to say that he has no roommates (he's 20) so that he can be nude in his house. You just never know!!

I am aiming for the day when I can be like you Jon-Marc, and tell the world without fear of their reaction.

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
I wish I could have told the song leader this last year at my church where I was going camping when he asked me. I actually lied to him and said I hadn't decide when I knew I was going to Turtle Lake Resort for a week. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hi Jon-Marc,
Just out of curiosity (because I don't understand a lot of this Christian stuff) how do you reconcile lying about nudism to avoid embarrasment (or worse) with your Christian principles?

Rik

Hey Rik,

I was still fairly new at being a social nudist at that time since I've only been into it a couple of years this month.

Lying is wrong and can't be reconciled. Unfortunately, even Christians aren't perfect. We say and do things we regret. I often speak without thinking first, and then it's too late. I felt guilty about not being honest. It's unfortunate that we're forced sometimes to hide something that WE know isn't wrong from those who do. However, as I said, I've reached the point where if it's discovered I won't deny it, although I'm not going to go around telling EVERYONE about it because of it being taboo among the majority of uninformed Christians.

What will I say about where I live if I move into a nudist resort and then visit a church? I have no idea, but I would like to believe that I will be honest this time. I might just tell the pastor up front where I live instead of waiting for him to find out. All they can do is tell me not to come back. In the Baptist churches they usually ask visitors to fill out a card with information about themselves. Then they visit them to encourage them to return. I could just imagine the pastor of a church and his wife when they pull up to the gate of a nudist resort and realize that THAT is where I live. I can just hear the phone call I would get. "Uh--Mr. Palmiter? It has come to our attention that you live in a place that is not suitable for God-fearing people. We would just as soon you not come back to our church. How can you call yourself a Christian and live in such a place as that and run around naked in front of other people?"

That's a hypothetical situation but could happen. As you know, Rik, most people in general don't accept nudity as normal, least of all Christians. However, I'm not giving up being a nudist just because most Christians and people in general think we're odd, and they don't believe a person can be a Christian and a nudist both.

However, in the future I plan on being more honest about it instead of lying--I hope.

[Rik]

Jon-Marc

Thanks for the response. I find it odd that people who call themselves Christian could suggest that you're not welcome in their church because you're a naturist. Indeed it seems a most un-Christian thing to do.

I admire your honesty and openness about your lifestyle (even if there are still some doubts there). Perhaps your planned move to a naturist resort will finally give you all the confidence you need. Hey, maybe you'll even become a public nudity activist! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rik

[Frank R]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rik:
Jon-Marc
Thanks for the response. I find it odd that people who call themselves Christian could suggest that you're not welcome in their church because you're a naturist. Indeed it seems a most un-Christian thing to do.
I admire your honesty and openness about your lifestyle (even if there are still some doubts there)... Rik <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You are 100% correct Rik, it is quite strange that those who call themselves Christians would probably cast Jesus Himself out for associating with sinners like the woman at the well or the one caught in adultery. "Let He among you who is without sin cast the first stone" is just of the many things Jesus said that many people tend to forget, if they ever even knew it. The fact is today we have a great many "cafeteria" Christians who pick out those parts of the Bible they like or agree with and disregard the parts they don't like or agree with. While there is a time when Christians are called upon to judge other Christians, these times should be few and far between. However, it is very true that we live in an age when many people just cannot wait to pass judgement on others and are just looking for anything that would let them do so.

One thing I did want to address is lying. Is it always a sin to lie? Corrie TenBoone (not sure the correct spelling) told of the time in WW II when she was hiding Jews in her house and she told the Germans that she wasn't. Was this a lie? Yes, without question. Was it a sin? I don't think so and even if it was, I am certain that God would forgive her for telling such a "terrible" lie.

[gamblefish]

It is unfortunate that most Christian denominations value "church" rules and "church" laws and "church" tradtions over what the Bible actually teaches...

[Jochanaan]

I am glad to hear that others also have difficulties telling their churches they are nudists. My observation is that nudity is inescapably associated with sex for too many people, and that sexual sins get treated as the unforgivable sin. Neither of these beliefs are Biblical. But for the sake of peace among the brethren I won't throw it in their faces when I know many cannot yet accept its validity.

Here's a parallel case: Many older members of my church are utterly against alcoholic beverages, while I enjoy an occasional drink now and then. (I limit myself to one drink at a time according to the Biblical principle of moderation.) When I'm with friends who can accept this tendency in me, I indulge; but when I'm with others I don't.

Simple? Yes. But most of the church now recognizes that the Bible teaches moderation, not abstinence, so there's no moral condemnation of my stance. The church as a whole hasn't come to a similar belief about nudism, although the Bible teaches such; so it's a lot more risky telling someone you get naked in company than that you drink on occasion. That's why some of us have to be secretive about it, just as in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD the church had to be secretive about their meetings because of persecution.

One of these days I will tell my church. Then perhaps I'll write up what happens.

It seems we've strayed away from the original topic again--or have we? Aren't those of us who profess to be Christians "pushing the envelope" simply by participating in something our individual religions disapprove of and would more than likely ask us to leave and not return until we've "repented" of our "sin"?

Leaving our religions is not an option for many of us. It's as much, if not more, a part of lives as nudity. Many of us, myself included HAVE reconciled within ourselves our love of being nude and our beliefs. Some still have doubts instilled in them by society and their relgions.

Many of us have family members who disapprove of our love of being nude particularly with other people, but we don't leave our families do we? We simply have to choose who we can tell and who we can't--not necessarily because we're ashamed of it or have doubts, but because it is not universally accepted as "normal".

I agree with Jochanaan that alcohol in moderation is OK. That way the person is still in control of his faculties. Some religions disagree with that.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
It's strange that people can be open and honest with others about nearly every aspect of their lives except their nudity. I can say I'm a Christian to anyone without any fear of negative repercussions. I get laughed at and ridiculed, but I'll live. People can say they're gay, and though there are those who don't approve, gererally nothing will happen to them although there are attacks on gays sometimes. People can say they're for abortion. However, you say you're a nudist and all kinds of thoughts go through the other person's mind, and you hear all kinds of negative attitudes about nudity.

I wish I could say "I'm a nudist, and I go to a nudist resort when it's warm enough" to other Christians like I can say "I'm a Christian" to anyone. I wish I could have told the song leader this last year at my church where I was going camping when he asked me. I actually lied to him and said I hadn't decide when I knew I was going to Turtle Lake Resort for a week. I KNOW I would have been asked to give up this "sin" or leave the church. Now I just don't care if they find out although I won't volunteer the information. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I too am a CHRISTIAN, It is not a sin to be nude, read your bible, the profits were nude when in the profetic state, David was nude when being profetic, Kinda pissed off his wife Bathsheeba, PETER, was naked when JESUS, walked to the boat on water, he got dressed when he noted Jesus, was comming. Adam and Eve were naked, I guess GOD has no problem with us being NAKED, only we do

[RIVERRAT]

JON MARC, you are the man and AMEN, my brother

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
I may be wrong as usual, but I believe there are many of us who cannot be completely open with EVERYONE about being a nudist and that we go to places where there are other nude men, women and children, or that we actually ENJOY being nude.

Some people here have mentioned that their job could be in jeopardy if it became common knowledge. Others are afraid of losing church positions (deacon, etc.) and being told to "repent" or leave the church. I used to fear that last one; I don't any more. I may not tell the people of my church, but I won't deny it. Other people have other reasons that are logical to them as to why they can't tell everyone about it. I've reached the point where, though I don't go up to everyone I know and say I'm a nudist, I don't CARE who knows. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>JON-MARC, YOU ARE ABSOLUTRY RIGHT, AMEN, MY FRIEND.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jochanaan:
I am glad to hear that others also have difficulties telling their churches they are nudists. My observation is that nudity is inescapably associated with sex for too many people, and that sexual sins get treated as the unforgivable sin. Neither of these beliefs are Biblical. But for the sake of peace among the brethren I won't throw it in their faces when I know many cannot yet accept its validity.

Here's a parallel case: Many older members of my church are utterly against alcoholic beverages, while I enjoy an occasional drink now and then. (I limit myself to one drink at a time according to the Biblical principle of moderation.) When I'm with friends who can accept this tendency in me, I indulge; but when I'm with others I don't.

Simple? Yes. But most of the church now recognizes that the Bible teaches moderation, not abstinence, so there's no moral condemnation of my stance. The church as a whole hasn't come to a similar belief about nudism, although the Bible teaches such; so it's a lot more risky telling someone you get naked in company than that you drink on occasion. That's why some of us have to be secretive about it, just as in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD the church had to be secretive about their meetings because of persecution.

One of these days I will tell my church. Then perhaps I'll write up what happens. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'M a very religious CHRISTIAN, I also drink and am a nudist, I would guess that SATAN has his hold on me , I will tell you though, he try's, he, has not.No secret here.

I have absolutely no problem with my nudity or anyone else's. Unfortunately, most people DO have a problem with nudity because they've been conditioned to believe there is something inherently wrong with the uncovered human body--particularly the male body.

As has been stated, people often interpret and misinterpret the Bible according to what they WANT it to say. However, if God had a problem with nudity, wouldn't he have clothed Adam and Eve when He first created them?

I know there are those here who don't believe the Bible and don't believe in God, but that doesn't change the fact that I DO. WE know that there is nothing indecent about the nude human body, or we wouldn't be willing to allow others to see ours, those of us who have gone to places where other nude people are.

I'm not trying to prove to myself that what I'm doing is right; I KNOW it's right, or at least that it's NOT WRONG. That amounts to the same thing. Those who believe nudity to be wrong need convincing, but how to convince them eludes me, and I'm sure most of you too.

[RIVERRAT]

JON-MARC, you need to relax, you know, "OUR GOD RAINES" take pleasure in that.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gamblefish:
It is unfortunate that most Christian denominations value "church" rules and "church" laws and "church" tradtions over what the Bible actually teaches... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nudity is not sinful, nor is being naked, it is all in the eye of the beholder, there is no dirt in nudity, there is no filth in nudity, it's all in the eye of the beholder, if you see sin in nudity then it is sin, if you only see the beauty that it is, there is no sin, how many men or women lust over a person dressed in a prevoctive manor, the same person nude might not create the same lust, we need to realise, clothes sometimes, induce a sexual excitement, that the same person nude wouldn't. Give it some thought, naked isn't sexual, but in some cases, clothed is...It's in the eye of the beholder.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gamblefish:
It is unfortunate that most Christian denominations value "church" rules and "church" laws and "church" tradtions over what the Bible actually teaches... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nudity is not sinful, nor is being naked, it is in the eye of the beholder. There is no dirt in nudity, there is no filth in nudity, it's all in the eye of the beholder, if you see sin in nudity, then there is sin, if you only see the beauty that it is , there is no sin. How many men or women lust over a person dressed in a prevotive manor, clothes sometimes, induce a sexual excitement, that the same person nude wouldn't. Give it some thought, naked isn't sexual, but in some cases, clothed is... it's in the eye of the beholder.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fns:
I like to try to push the envelope, but I chicken out when the price might be too high. My place is secluded, so I can do anything I want on my property, although some spots can be seen from the road. I'm just a bit careful in those areas. Last summer, the road was closed while they replaced a bridge. It was nice to be able to take nude walks on the road. Was surprised a couple times though by a car going down to see the construction. Also, a neighbor from way up the road cycled past me once, didn't know he was there. No problem though. krcNY, did you say where in NY you are? I'm very near Riverrat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>no body wants to admit being north, I am a true riverrat

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fns:
I like to try to push the envelope, but I chicken out when the price might be too high. My place is secluded, so I can do anything I want on my property, although some spots can be seen from the road. I'm just a bit careful in those areas. Last summer, the road was closed while they replaced a bridge. It was nice to be able to take nude walks on the road. Was surprised a couple times though by a car going down to see the construction. Also, a neighbor from way up the road cycled past me once, didn't know he was there. No problem though. krcNY, did you say where in NY you are? I'm very near Riverrat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[gamblefish]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
Leaving our religions is not an option for many of us. It's as much, if not more, a part of lives as nudity. Many of us, myself included HAVE reconciled within ourselves our love of being nude and our beliefs. Some still have doubts instilled in them by society and their relgions.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Jon, this brings up another interesting point. I have seen posts in the past that question why Christians must always find "biblical permission" to be a nudist. It is important to note that, as Christians, we try to do our best to live our lives out according to what God teaches in the bible. If God is flat-out against something, we are too. So, if it can be shown that God is flat-out against nudity, then we are doomed as nudists...meaning we cannot adopt this way of life and serve God. Fortunately, this is not the case. In fact, we can show through scripture that God is not against nudity. This is how we reconcile our lifestyle with our Christian beliefs.

The problem comes when churches make "rules" that are not biblically based.

PS, I love beer on a hot summer day. I feel that if Jesus would turn water into wine for a bunch of drunk wedding guests, then I can have a beer now and again....

[fns]

I admit to being in the north, I just don't live on the river. I do live on a creek, that last week looked more like a river. Yes, you are the Riverrat, I don't think anyone has disputed that. I'm also very close to Lake Ontario, like maybe a mile as the crow flies.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
no body wants to admit being north, I am a true riverrat <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Riverrat,

I would not condemn you or anyone for an occasional beer or whatever. I've always liked wine and see nothing wrong with moderate drinking. The Bible doesn't teach that alcohol is wrong, but it does teach against drunkenness.

As a Christian I try to live according to Biblical principles--avoiding what it says to avoid and enjoying what it doesn't say anything against--unless avoiding it is my individual choice. For other things I use common sense to determine whether or not to partake of it. I don't use illegal drugs or tobacco of any kind because they're harmful to the body and/or mind. Excessive alcohol can destroy the mind also.

I met a patient at the VA Medical Center from which I just retired who was a walking zombie. He didn't respond when you spoke to him. I thought he had done that to himself with drugs but was told by a nurse that he had done it with alcohol. How much or what he had drug I don't know. However, he had just enough brian cells left to just barely function.

Another man I personally knew had three fourths of his stomach removed after destroying it with alcohol. It's beyond my comprehension why people are so bent on destroying themselves just for a moment's pleasure. I'll admit I've been drunk before when I was in the Air Force--over 30 years ago--and I liked the way I felt when I was drunk. I didn't like the way I felt the next day. After getting into vodka I nearly destroyed MY stomach.

Now the only thing I drink during those rare times is wine.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Suntied:
Hokienudist and Rainman,
Interesting sight and idea. However, if you are a secret nudist because you do not want to be seen whilst nude, wouldn't that make you a non-nudist. I had been a closet nudist for many years. I've done everything that that sight pertains to to be nude whenever I can. Yet, the liberation I felt when I became social with my nudity was a top of the list experience. I'm not sure you are a nudist if you keep it a secret. Granted, there is alot of thrill or danger in being nude when you may get caught, but it isn't a lifestyle I can promote as I live it almost everyday. I would rather not have to worry about getting caught when I venture out in the world naked because the feeling is the thrill, not the suspence.

Just giving my opinion on the link and idea,
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Suntied /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ahh, no.

[Michael from UK]

Our present Pope (John Paul 2) in his thesis called "Love and Responsibility" clearly and conclusively states that "the human body is not in itself shameful,nor for the same reason sensual reactions and human sensuality in general" and "Sexual modesty cannot in any way be identified with the use of clothing, nor shamelesness with the absence of clothing and total or partial nakedness"

So get out of that one, those Christians who associate plain nudity with sex..the immodesty is in THEIR minds, not those who are naked!

I rest my case.

[RIVERRAT]

Nudity and being naked is mentioned many times in the Bible, I just say amen my friend. GOD created us nude and loves us thus..

[Ginge of Oz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by krcNY:
Thank you Missouriboy.
That is alot of scrolling.

To answer Riverratt- I do care- it is called courtesy. We do not want to offend them, and cause the kids to not be able to come over. He is a strict parent and very set in his ways.

Once we build our new garage, we will have more private space. Their only way over will be to ring the doorbell or to come through a gate and hedge. Which will also give us a chance to cover up.

I will be more relaxed and we will keep the peace. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hi krcNY!

I agree with what you said about courtesy. I "pushed the envelope" a bit too much with one of my neighbours a few years ago, and he has hardly spoken to me since. Also, he stopped his kids from coming over. What happened was that the neighbours were in the habit of coming over unannounced, and the wife turned up on the doorstep one morning with her pre-schooler daughter, asking to use our vacuum cleaner. I was nude in our bathroom, and decided to wrap a towel around me to go to the door. I let them take it to their place. Not long after, they said they were having trouble using it. I thought, what the heck, they've seen me in a towel, so I just popped on a wrap I'd bought on a holiday to Fiji, and nothing else. They didn't say anything about my type of dress. Her husband was home too, out in the yard. He often wore only a pair of shorts for yardwork. I started up the vacuum cleaner for them and vacuumed around a bit. The back-and-forth motion of vacuuming caused enough loosening of my wrap to have it slide off my rather narrow hips and leave me nude in their living room! I decided to tell them I was a nudist, and wasn't embarassed to be nude in front of others, and as they'd all seen me nude, I didn't hurry to put the wrap back on. Obviously, the husband was very offended by my nudity, leading to his "cold war" tactics that appear to be still in force! If I had the time over, I'd have worn something more secure, but I'm sure they'd have seen me nude anyway sometime, probably with the same result. I have mowed and gardened nude, hung washing nude, put out the rubbish nude, washed outside walls and windows nude, built a vegie garden and installed a watering system nude, and done most indoor household tasks like washing-up, ironing, vacuuming, washing floors and so on nude as well. I have three other close neighbours, all of whom have surely spotted me nude at times, but no others have complained.

Some of my recent "envelope pushing" included a bit of nude hiking in a rainforest with my non-nudist wife and children (when I was able to get well ahead of them). My 9 year old son spotted me, though! Of course, when my wife and daughter caught up, he told them. They can't always understand why I like to be nude. My wife told the kids, "Dad's off with the fairies sometimes!" On the same holiday, I swam nude in the pool at our resort while my son was in the poolside spa, and of course, he noticed that too, even though it was night. I said it was skinny-dipping, and lots of people have done it, but he still insisted I put my swimmers back on. The good thing is that my family, and my neighbours, at least know I'm a nudist and I don't hide it. The bad thing is that, to avoid offending them, I've got to severely restrict the times I'm nude to those when it's unlikely anyone will see me. So much for the communal aspect we nudists all aspire to!

I loved to hear that you were able to spend time outside in the nude when you were pregnant! A pregnant women is the most beautiful of nudes! It's so much better to be able to do away with the tent-like "maternity clothes" non-nudist mothers are forced to wear!

Stay nude and natural, krcNY!

Although my dad wasn't a nudist, he was often nude in the house. It was no big deal because I was used to it. It's a shame that a 9-year-old boy is embarrassed to see his own dad nude.

[Ginge of Oz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
Although my dad wasn't a nudist, he was often nude in the house. It was no big deal because I was used to it. It's a shame that a 9-year-old boy is embarrassed to see his own dad nude. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It sure is a shame, Jon-Marc!

The trouble is, I don't know how to change things. My wife is non-nudist (you know, the poor body image thing that so many real women have) and she naturally influences the kids' opinions. My 14 year old daughter is of the same opinion too. They all know I like to be nude, but they all think it's weird. I'm sad about it because I know they'll grow up with the same twisted body image that our society has given my wife, and I'm completely powerless to do anything about it.

Thanks again, Jon-Marc!

[florida-david]

ginge of oz, you are not COMPLETELY powerless, you as the kid's father have a 50% chance of influencing your kids. i agree that your kids have had many years of societal programming, but their have been other fathers on this site that have realized what you are realizing is being done to their kids though body-shame and they have made attempts to reverse it. your kids might not suddenly become nudists this year, but you might have the opportunity to enjoy nudity in a private area of your home or yard or at a naturist resort or beach (with or without the family)- personal satisfaction. you can slowly teach the family about the evils of society's body-shame through this site and others. please do not give up, maybe consider that it could take years of slow progress but eventually when your kids leave your nest, they will not take society's sad belief's with them.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Up until recently I had an adult nephew living with me. His son, who just turned 11, was sometimes at my house. I stayed nude although he didn't like it. I have the INA photos as a screensaver on my computer, which I leave on until I go to bed. One day the boy complained about the nude photos and said, "The people are all naked." I told him that if he didn't like it then don't look at them. His dad agreed with me. When I went into the room where the computer is I noticed that the photos weren't on the screen. Apparently he moved the mouse to make them disappear. What's the difference between kids now and in my day, or was I strange? When I was his age I would have loved the opportunity to see photos of nude women. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Ginge of Oz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by florida-david:
ginge of oz, you are not COMPLETELY powerless, you as the kid's father have a 50% chance of influencing your kids. i agree that your kids have had many years of societal programming, but their have been other fathers on this site that have realized what you are realizing is being done to their kids though body-shame and they have made attempts to reverse it. your kids might not suddenly become nudists this year, but you might have the opportunity to enjoy nudity in a private area of your home or yard or at a naturist resort or beach (with or without the family)- personal satisfaction. you can slowly teach the family about the evils of society's body-shame through this site and others. please do not give up, maybe consider that it could take years of slow progress but eventually when your kids leave your nest, they will not take society's sad belief's with them.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for your advice, Florida-David!

I won't give up. Every time I get a chance, whether it's seeing a news item about Spencer Tunick's nude art photos, or St Peter in the fishing boat in the Gospel, I put in my 5 cents worth to say it's OK to be nude.

I've had objections of varying degrees from both my kids and my wife about nudity around the house, so I have to be very careful not to upset them. I have been to some nude beaches by myself recently, but because I'm very much family-oriented, I'd prefer to be able to go with them. What I'm really sorry about was that way back in 1997, we were on a holiday and met two really friendly families. It turned out they all liked going to nude beaches. Unfortunately, the day they did go nude together, we had already booked a sightseeing trip, so we missed out. To be nude and have fun with two other families like ours would have, I'm sure, prevented this current problem! I hate missed opportunities!

Peace to you, too, David!

[cme600]

I had a rare opportunity to go nude in a park that is usually packed with people. This park has a viewing tower high on a hill. I got up early to see the sunrise from there. The park is supposed to open daily at 6am, but when I got there, the gate was locked at it was about ten after. I parked along the drive leading to the gate and hopped over and hiked up to the park. I didn't expect to be the only person there. From the top of the tower you can see the entire park and you can also see for miles. I couldn't believe I was the only person there. It's usually packed during the day. So, never one to waste an opportunity, I stripped down and enjoyed a wonderful sunrise. After the sun was well over the horizon, I wandered around the park, keeping a sharp ear out for the ranger who could show up to open the park at any time. Nothing. I was there for an hour. I meandered all over the place, even spent some time on the swing set. It was a blast. I hope it's like that every Sunday morning.

[kevincabrera]

Good Morning RiverRatt, I'll share my experience with you. I live in Phoenix and tan nude out in the desert about 3 to 5 times a week. I have a spot that I like to go to that I thought was very private. But last week I was walking around nude out in the desert when a local utility company worker spotted me. He was performing monthly inspections on rual lines when he spotted me, and rush over to where I was at. He thought that I was in destress. When I told him that I was just grabbing some sun for my "no-tan-line" tan, he laughed and was fine with that. In fact, we talked for a short time while he sat on the back of his truck and he ate his lunch. He even removed his shirt so he could grab some sun while he ate his lunch. He was very friendly and told me he had no problem with me being out there naked, and said that he only came out once a month and that maybe we would meet again. The experience made me feel good that the general public is accepting of our lifestyle.

[NakedGary]

The nudity codes for many cities are posted online to see read or print. Does your's?

Here is the nudity and exposure code for a large northern California city:
[It does not mention nudity on private property]

Title 9 PUBLIC PEACE, MORALS AND WELFARE

Chapter 9.04 OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC PEACE AND DECENCY

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9.04.060 Nudity.

It is unlawful for any person to appear, bathe, sunbathe, walk or be in any public park, playground, or beach, or the waters adjacent thereto, located within the city, in such a manner that the genitals, vulva, pubis, pubic hair, buttocks, perineum, anus, anal region, or pubic hair region of any person, or any portion of the breast at or below the upper edge of the areola thereof on any female person, is exposed to public view or is not covered by an opaque covering.

A. This section shall not apply to children under the age of ten (10) years.

B. This section shall not apply to live theatrical performances performed in a theater, concert hall, or other similar establishment located on public land. (Prior code ? 26.01.059)

F.Y.I.

That means if i take means to shield or fence my backyard, I can run around naked inside or in my backyard ?

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NakedGary:
is exposed to public view or is not covered by an opaque covering. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Interesting, the statute says 'or' not 'and'. Therefore it is illegal even if not in public view so long as there is not an opaque covering of the (supposedly) offensive bits. That means you cannot legally lower your trousers even in a restroom behind a locked door if that restroom is on public property.

However, it seems to only apply to public property, there is no mention of private property, even if visible from public property. I expect state indecency laws would still apply even if the local ordinance does not.

[NakedGary]

NaturistMark1

I read that as: One or the Other, but Not either or Both, and only from public property.

"....exposed to public view"
or
"is not covered by an opaque covering".

Interesting

As far as know, No State or Federal Law says its illegal to drive your private vehicle while nude anywhere in the U.S. Just don't get stopped or pulled over by law enforcement as they will ask you get out of the car, and then cite you for indecent exposure. Many have found this out by taking a simple leak behind a open door so no one could see them pulled off the freeway or road.