Musica Roundabout

[aunaturelone]

Check out some very public nude art on a massive scale:

Music Row Roundabout (http://alanlequire.com/musica.html)

And the reaction (http://www.tennessean.com/local/columnists/kerr/archives/03/09/39712808.shtml?Element_ID=39712808) to it.

[aunaturelone]

Check out some very public nude art on a massive scale:

Music Row Roundabout (http://alanlequire.com/musica.html)

And the reaction (http://www.tennessean.com/local/columnists/kerr/archives/03/09/39712808.shtml?Element_ID=39712808) to it.

[Macanudist]

That is probably one of the best pieces of large public art I've ever seen that unabashedly celebrates human movement and music. The figures are larger than life and seem to literally fly in delight. The fact that the figures are nude is only natural. I applaud the artist for his vision and talent and for the folks in Wyoming who allowed this work to come to life. Sadly, I wonder how long it will be until a public official finds some offense and insists on draping the art in some ungodly fabric...

"I wonder how long it will be until a public official finds some offense and insists on draping the art in some ungodly fabric..."

Very soon I hope. This stuff is just ugly. They put a naked statue in my town in the late 1970s and it was so badly vandalised in the first few days after its unveiling that they had to remove it - permanently /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . Public art should be the sort of stuff the public (you know, the ones who pay for it and have to live with it) enjoy.

Stu

I wonder how long it will be before some dirty minded people who think nudity is offensive and obscene have it removed or clothed?

[aunaturelone]

Something like the roundabout is going to be very tough to cover up. My understanding is that local people are mostly supportive and only a small minority objects. It would become a cause celeb should someone try to dress it; a real battle to protect it would ensue.

Of course small, fanatical minorities who are very important it to a ruling coalition often wield power vastly greater than their size would otherwise justify. This only works when the general public is apathetic and I don't think the public will be apathetic on this.

"I wonder how long it will be before some dirty minded people who think nudity is offensive and obscene have it removed or clothed?"

Do only dirty minded people think nudity is offensive? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Stu

[namedun]

I wouldn't say sex is nessecarily dirty, but yes, only people who equate sex to nudity, and are in addition offended by sexuality in public, are offended by nudity.

Namedun /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[owl tn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Macanudist:
That is probably one of the best pieces of large public art I've ever seen that unabashedly celebrates human movement and music. The figures are larger than life and seem to literally fly in delight. The fact that the figures are nude is only natural. I applaud the artist for his vision and talent and for the folks in Wyoming who allowed this work to come to life. Sadly, I wonder how long it will be until a public official finds some offense and insists on draping the art in some ungodly fabric... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, I'm from Nashville, Wyoming. *smirk*

Nashville has often called itself "The Athens of the South", but that title is probably best deserved by Athens, GA (or even Athens, TN). In a town that prides itself in more than just country music, but also as a place of culture, I hope the statue stays. I don't think there will be any problems, unless, of course, John Ashcroft comes to give a speech here, and he chooses the roundabout. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I said:

"Do only dirty minded people think nudity is offensive?"

namedun said:

"I wouldn't say sex is nessecarily dirty, but yes, only people who equate sex to nudity, and are in addition offended by sexuality in public, are offended by nudity."

What??????

Of course sex is dirty. Well it is if it's done right /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif ! And then you say that the only people who are offended by nudity are those that 1. equate sex to nudity and 2. are offended by sexuality in public. That is very confusing. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Firstly, I have never met anyone who equates nudity with sex. You can be nude without having sex (most of us are when taking a shower etc). Second, you can have sex without being nude (I have never had sex nude).

Secondly, what the heck do you mean by "offended by sexuality in public"? A person's sexuality usually refers to whether they are straight or homosexual. What has that got to do with nudity?

Stu

What I meant by "dirty minded people" are people who can't see a nude body without thinking it is offensise or obscene. They look at a nude statue and are offended by it instead of seeing art, and they insist that it be covered or removed. That was what I meant.

[NudeAl]

I think this is great!!

I hope it reverses the recent trend to cover up our beautiful nude statues.

I wonder, Stu, what does that say in your mind about the classical nude down through the ages in art?

It is my understanding that no other image down through the ages has been so often reproduced. It seems we have an ageless facination with the human anatomy. I guess we all have a lot of dirty minded ancestors. I prefer to think it is just natural and that it is timeless and I dislike the idea that it is some form of pornography.

The human form is, was, and always will be a object for art.

The reason the nude human body has been used so much in art down through the centuries, and has been so popular with so many people, is because it is beautiful. Different people find different body shapes beautiful to them (beauty is in the eye of the beholder). I have a brother who always preferred fat girls. It's good that some people do. Just as some women actually like fat guys. I met a very homely woman once whose husband was extremely good looking. I had an aunt who was very good looking and married a very homely man. Who knows what attracts one person to another? It's not always looks. However, the human body unclothed has been a favorite for artists of all kinds since time began. If it wasn't so popular, we wouldn't have so much nude art.

Al

I really don't care whether nudes are classical or contemporary. I think the human body is a pretty unsightly thing at best. I was once told by an artistic friend of mine that a lot of nude art is done to give the artist practice in portraying the human shape generall - clothed or otherwise.

With regard to the statues that aunaturelone mentioned - I fail to see why the artist couldn't have portrayed them in swimsuits or bikinis. After all, that's what people generally DO wear when frollicking about. Nude frolicking is the exception, not the rule.

Stu

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stu2630:
Al

With regard to the statues that aunaturelone mentioned - I fail to see why the artist couldn't have portrayed them in swimsuits or bikinis. After all, that's what people generally DO wear when frollicking about. Nude frolicking is the exception, not the rule.

Stu <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe because not everyone considers the human body to be "unsightly at best". Not everyone thinks the human body is ugly and should be kept hidden at all times despite what you want to believe.

[NudeAl]

Stu, you crack me up! I really do feel sorry for you though it must be a real nightmare dealing with a all consuming phobia.

My point, as I'm sure you know, was to illustrate that the whole of mankind down through the ages has found the human form, unaddorned, is by itself a thing of beauty and worthy of being the subject of many an artist. I think this shows how naturist veiw the nude body.

Jon-Marc

"Maybe because not everyone considers the human body to be "unsightly at best". Not everyone thinks the human body is ugly and should be kept hidden at all times despite what you want to believe."

I never said that everyone thinks the human body is unsightly - but most people prefer not to see nudity in public. That applies whether it is real human flesh or cold marble.

NudeAl

"Stu, you crack me up! I really do feel sorry for you though it must be a real nightmare dealing with a all consuming phobia."

Phobia? I don't have a phobia.

"My point, as I'm sure you know, was to illustrate that the whole of mankind down through the ages has found the human form, unaddorned, is by itself a thing of beauty and worthy of being the subject of many an artist. I think this shows how naturist veiw the nude body."

Artists more commonly paint and sculpture what they see around them, Al. Most people spend most of the time clothed. Are you seriously suggesting that a woman is more beautiful naked than if she wore a bathing costume? If so I beg to differ.

Stu

[Frank R]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stu2630:
[QB] Jon-Marc

I never said that everyone thinks the human body is unsightly - but most people prefer not to see nudity in public. That applies whether it is real human flesh or cold marble.

See, Stu does know what he talking about.

We all know that no one ever visits the Vatican and sees any nudity or ever looks at a Greek or Roman statue. No one ever looks a painting of a less than fully clad person. And of course we all know that all the porn shops and "adult" entertainment places are going out of business because no one wants to see nudity. This should just be so obvious to everyone that I just cannot understand how we nudist have missed it for so long. I must really be getting old because I still find it hard to believe that no one ever wants to see any nudity.

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm, Frank?

"We all know that no one ever visits the Vatican and sees any nudity or ever looks at a Greek or Roman statue."

Of course they do. People also visit hindu temples that depict graphic sex acts. These things are, to a large extent, "excused" because they are antiquities.

"No one ever looks a painting of a less than fully clad person."

Most people don't buy nude paintings to put in their homes. The vast majority of paintings people choose to look at depict people wearing clothing.

"And of course we all know that all the porn shops and "adult" entertainment places are going out of business because no one wants to see nudity."

It's not nudity they are interested in - it's sex!
Most people wouldn't be seen dead in such an establishment, anyway.

"I must really be getting old because I still find it hard to believe that no one ever wants to see any nudity."

Don't let it bother you, Frank. You are just a bit out of touch, that's all. You must be spending so much time in the company of other naturists that you've forgotten what textile people think.

Stu

[David77]

Hi again,
I just got back yesterday evening from a seven day vacation in London England, and then a three day vacation in Paris France and I can report that there are many wonderful nude statues through out the main part of Paris out on <u>public view</u> (and many others in the museums).

One cold, rainy day, (on 10-23-03) in Paris, when I saw the group sculpture on the Arch of Triumph, with the well known naked young man striding forward and wearing nothing but shoes and old type helmet, I projected my own feeling of being cold upon his appearing naked on that particular day.

[Bob S.]

stu, stu, stu.

"Phobia? I don't have a phobia."

I sure hope you were being sarcastic. You have already claimed to have pediophobia, the fear of dolls. You seem to be in denial about your gymnophobia, although you at least acknowledge that the anxiety that you show is unusual.

When you cannot even see a woman naked (or her see you) lest you get sick, throw up, become faint, etc. then you have a phobia. You may have come far by being able to take your clothes off for a shower and seeing other men naked in locker rooms, but you still have a far way to go before you are anywhere near the normal response of the average Briton citizen.

And the human body is the greatest work of art ever created. Look at the statue of statues, Michelagelo's "David". That has been up for centuries and has been admired by billions of citizens of this planet.

"These things are, to a large extent, "excused" because they are antiquities."

So you are saying that only the great, long dead sculptors and painters are eligible to have their nudes put up and admired? Before something becomes an antique, it must exist in the present.

Bob S.

"Phobia? I don't have a phobia.



Right! (http://www.hedstorm.net/HAUNT/SoundEffects/LAUGHTER_SCREAMS_CRIES_HEARTBEAT_BREATHING/vprice_laugh.wav)

[butnaked]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
"Phobia? I don't have a phobia.



Right! (http://www.hedstorm.net/HAUNT/SoundEffects/LAUGHTER_SCREAMS_CRIES_HEARTBEAT_BREATHING/vprice_laugh.wav) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Great Cyndiann, ( WHAT SHE SAID DOUBLED)

Thanks for the heads-up on Musica, and I think to art is great. This is still " The Fun of Nude Rec. "
Happy Trails /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Motorcity Nude]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
"Phobia? I don't have a phobia.



Right! (http://www.hedstorm.net/HAUNT/SoundEffects/LAUGHTER_SCREAMS_CRIES_HEARTBEAT_BREATHING/vprice_laugh.wav) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>*Excellent* Cindyann!

Very creative and multi-purpose to this time of year /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


MotorCity Nude (Scott)

Thanks guys! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Bob

"You have already claimed to have pediophobia, the fear of dolls."

I meant a phobia about nudity.

"You seem to be in denial about your gymnophobia, although you at least acknowledge that the anxiety that you show is unusual."

It's an anxiety rather than a full blown phobia.

"When you cannot even see a woman naked (or her see you) lest you get sick, throw up, become faint, etc. then you have a phobia. You may have come far by being able to take your clothes off for a shower and seeing other men naked in locker rooms, but you still have a far way to go before you are anywhere near the normal response of the average Briton citizen."

I know. But I'm OK as I am now. I don't have to see naked women under normal circumstances or allow anyone to see me naked so there's no problem.

"And the human body is the greatest work of art ever created. Look at the statue of statues, Michelagelo's "David". That has been up for centuries and has been admired by billions of citizens of this planet."

It's an aesthetic thing, Bob. The sight of the human body isn't something that I find attractive. Faces are OK, as are hands, feet, arms legs and backs but the other parts are pretty ugly in my view. I accept that there are peple who find the whole body "beautiful" so each to their own.

"So you are saying that only the great, long dead sculptors and painters are eligible to have their nudes put up and admired? Before something becomes an antique, it must exist in the present."

That's not what I meant. Some of the ancient Chinese, Greek, Egyptian and Roman wall paintings would be considered extremely pornographic if they were painted these days. The fact that they are antiquities means that we are fascinated by them - we consider the people who created them and used them and wonder what their lives were like. They are art, yes, but it's debatable whether they are good art. Personally I don't care for nude art regardless of its age. Certainly Michaelangelo's David is suberbly crafted by an artist with a brilliant grasp of human anatomy, but I wouldn't want a replica of it in my home. I enjoy art, but get no pleasure from looking at nudity, regardless of its age or supposed artistic merit.

By the way - off topic - I went for my 6-monthly visit to the "consultant endocrinologist" who prescribed some tablets (the pharmacist says they're made from mare's urine - YUK!!!). I mention this because they make me feel very odd and my wife said I've started rambling. So, if my posts become incoherent, please let me know - I won't be offended. Thanks. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stu

Those pills made of mare's urine are called Premarin here. After a huge deal was made about the cruelty involved in getting that urine so many people stopped taking it. Now the company that makes them is auctioning off 20,000 mares because of the lack of a market for the product.

The mares are forced to stand for months in a stall with no movement at all forward or back while the urine is collected through a device that fits over the horse's vulva.

This is in Canada and there is currently a public outcry to force this company to adopt out these mares instead of having them go for dog food.

I had thought that Premarin was only given to women.... hmmmmm.....

cyndiann

"After a huge deal was made about the cruelty involved in getting that urine so many people stopped taking it."

I wasn't aware of that!!!!! Can you give me some more information about this, please? If there is animal cruelty involved in this then there is no way I'm taking them either and he'll have to prescribe something else. So they will be going in the bin! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

"I had thought that Premarin was only given to women.... hmmmmm....."

Well that doesn't appear to be the case otherwise he would't have prescribed them to me - unless you think he's made a mistake(!!).

I went into mild "shock" after I'd had one of my 3-weekly injections which I've been having since my teens (?) and he said it had been caused by an adverse reaction to the hormone. Then I had a load of tests done and he decided to prescribe these pills, presumably to replace the injections that I have now become alergic to. He warned me that I would definitely not like the effect they have and he's right - I feel dreadfully sick and my head feels fuzzy! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Stu

[butnaked]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
Those pills made of mare's urine are called Premarin here. After a huge deal was made about the cruelty involved in getting that urine so many people stopped taking it. Now the company that makes them is auctioning off 20,000 mares because of the lack of a market for the product.

The mares are forced to stand for months in a stall with no movement at all forward or back while the urine is collected through a device that fits over the horse's vulva.

This is in Canada and there is currently a public outcry to force this company to adopt out these mares instead of having them go for dog food.

I had thought that Premarin was only given to women.... hmmmmm..... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Cyndiann, as I understand Premarin is used with other hormone treatments to obtain the nessesarry balance for each individual patient.
There are other hormones that are taken from animals for lab production of human drugs.

Happy Trails /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I was fine on testosterone injections for years and years until I had just one bad reaction and now they're giving me horse's urine (no wonder it's making me feel like puking)!! I think I had better get some answers as to why I've been given this stuff. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Stu

[aunaturelone]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I enjoy art, but get no pleasure from looking at nudity, regardless of its age or supposed artistic merit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh well... that's your problem. Forget naturists, you are extremely atypical of even the population in general.

Spencer Tunick strikes again...!

Latest New York shoot (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3216909.stm)

And you think Spencer Tunick is an artist? And you think that the majority of the population even knows who he is, let alone admire his "work"?

Somehow I don't.

Stu

Congratulations Stu, you finally wrote something with less than 1000 words. By the way, has the horse urine made you start to snort and whinny yet? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jon-Marc

"By the way, has the horse urine made you start to snort and whinny yet?"

No, just puke! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Stu

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
I had thought that Premarin was only given to women.... hmmmmm..... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Premarin is given primarily as hormone replacement therapy (HRT) after a hysterectomy. Seems like only women have those... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And it's taken only from pregnant horses. The name itself is derived from Pregnant Mare Urine.

Stu ...I feel sorry that you are missing out on so much beauty in the world...As an artist I enjoy observing and capturing the beauty of nature whether it be a magnificent waterfall of Yosemite...a delicate dewdrop on a flower...the glory of a sunrise or the the most magnificent of Gods creation..the human body...just imagine how many people have lived in this one of a kind world and every one unique and beautiful....Odb /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[shãybare]

I believe, Outdoorbare, the saddest part is there are people who choose to miss the beauty.

[Jochanaan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stu2630:
NudeAl

Are you seriously suggesting that a woman is more beautiful naked than if she wore a bathing costume? If so I beg to differ.

Stu <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Since I didn't see that NudeAl answered directly, I will.

Yes. A human body, male or female, is far more truly beautiful naked than clothed. If I were speaking to Christians, I would say that God's creativity is far greater and more perfect than ours. Since I'm not, I will say that the shapes and textures of a human body are far more beautiful than any cloth we can weave, any animal skins we can tan, any substance we can alter and shape to cover and bind it; nor do I see us fashioning such beauty in the foreseeable future.

(It goes without saying that this is my own opinion; but artists through the millenia have agreed with me.)

missouriboy

"Premarin is given primarily as hormone replacement therapy (HRT) after a hysterectomy. Seems like only women have those..."

Obviously this drug has other uses too otherwise the doc wouldn't have prescribed it for me.

outdoorbare

"Stu ...I feel sorry that you are missing out on so much beauty in the world...As an artist I enjoy observing and capturing the beauty of nature whether it be a magnificent waterfall of Yosemite...a delicate dewdrop on a flower...the glory of a sunrise or the the most magnificent of Gods creation..the human body...just imagine how many people have lived in this one of a kind world and every one unique and beautiful....Odb"

I enjoy lots of beautiful things. I just don't think the human body is an especially attractive thing. It wouldn't do if we were al the same, would it? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stu

(who is even uglier than most!)

[David77]

Stu,
I feel very deep empathy for you, with your having your current medical problems, and I wish to express my very kindest regards to you, and hope for your more comfortable days and successful medical results.

David,

Thank you very much for your kind thoughts. I think the doctor is just trying to balance out my hormones but apart from that I'm in good health /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stu

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by missouriboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
I had thought that Premarin was only given to women.... hmmmmm..... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Premarin is given primarily as hormone replacement therapy (HRT) after a hysterectomy. Seems like only women have those... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And it's taken only from pregnant horses. The name itself is derived from Pregnant Mare Urine. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Imagine being pregnant and having to stand in one spot for months. This is very cruel and I'm glad to hear the demand has fallen sharply but with all the money made from the horses they should be made to spend a bit on their welfare now that they aren't needed.

(off my soapbox now)

[AussieBeachBoy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Stu ...I feel sorry that you are missing out on so much beauty in the world...As an artist I enjoy observing and capturing the beauty of nature whether it be a magnificent waterfall of Yosemite...a delicate dewdrop on a flower...the glory of a sunrise or the the most magnificent of Gods creation..the human body... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Outdoorbare, what we all need to appreciate is that different people find beauty in different things. People's tastes differ. Some people like Mozart and find it beautiful, some find it dull and boring compared to other music. Some people enjoy the taste of meat, others cannot stand it. The fact that a person does not find the human body beautiful does not mean they are necessarily missing out on beauty. Stu may find beauty in different things to you, and find his pleasures in different things.

cyndiann

"Imagine being pregnant and having to stand in one spot for months. This is very cruel..."

Yes, I agree. I hate animal cruelty and I promise I won't be taking them any more now that I know about that. I had no idea how it was obtained but I've been finding out about it on the Internet since you told me. (You see, contrary to what you think of me, I am open to reason and persuasion!)

No doubt there will be some sort of synthetic androgen hormone that doesn't include cruelty that I can be given instead.

Stu

[Dolby]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And you think Spencer Tunik is an artist? And you think the majority of the population even knows who he is, let alone admire his "work?" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>stu,

Most artists are do not create works with the sole idea of appealing to the general public.

I am curious about how you define art. It seems from your posts that you would define it as creating pretty replicas of mundane things (in whatever medium). Doesn't art serve any other purpose than to provide decorations?

[NudeAl]

Thanks Jochanaan,

I feel exactly the same way. I must be more diligent in responding. I think we are so wrapped up in what the current fashion tells us is beauty that we forget some of the great works of the masters down through history. I know thin is in but I prefer a more Rubinesque form. I certainly think most of of us look better with out clothes but to each his own.

[johny]

Wow!!!
I screened a testosterone class drug labels available here and find out that in the section - possible side effects, for all of them stays written that those medication may lead to significant changes in patient psyschology and behaviour. Even in the heaviest cases, toward consciously ucontrolled sexual molestation.

It means, my assumption, that body hormonal imbalance if to contrary ditch, may lead to contrary behavioral effect. What we all are witnesses here at the fact.

Maybe Stu really should to increase his t-sterone dosage to "fall in love" with naturism ideas??

Dolby

"Most artists are do not create works with the sole idea of appealing to the general public."

I realise that.

"I am curious about how you define art. It seems from your posts that you would define it as creating pretty replicas of mundane things (in whatever medium). Doesn't art serve any other purpose than to provide decorations?"

To me, art (as in painting and sculpture) is the re-creation of something from a real world moment that is either beautiful or inspirational or both. The rest of it is just pretentious garbage and for the most part without any artistic merit. Setting up naked bodies in a wholly bizarre fashion aka Tunnick - is to my mind no more artistic than arraging toppings on a pizza. And just for the record - I do love art. My home is filled with paintings and prints by various "real" artists who have skill in painting. I'm afraid that a sizeable proportion of what they call "contemporary art" is a gigantic con trick.

NudeAl

Registered Forum User

johny

"I screened a testosterone class drug labels available here and find out that in the section - possible side effects, for all of them stays written that those medication may lead to significant changes in patient psyschology and behaviour. Even in the heaviest cases, toward consciously ucontrolled sexual molestation."

Thank you for that. Unfortunately I was born with a genetic defect that means I must take testosterone in some form because my body doesn't produce enough of its own and to counter the fact that I produce too much of a bad hormone called oestrogen. I was told this when I first started taking it and as far as I know the science hasn't changed.

"It means, my assumption, that body hormonal imbalance if to contrary ditch, may lead to contrary behavioral effect. What we all are witnesses here at the fact."

My behaviour has always been perfectly reasonable and controlled, thank you.

"Maybe Stu really should to increase his t-sterone dosage to "fall in love" with naturism ideas??"

That will never ever happen.

Stu

[missouriboy]

stu2630

"Obviously this drug has other uses too otherwise the doc wouldn't have prescribed it for me."

Obviously. Since both human genders possess both M/F hormones, they must be in a balanced quantity for proper health. Premarin is used to increase female hormones, wherever such increase is needed for proper balance.

My post was not aimed at you, I was just adding general information to a subject already broached.

I'm glad you eschew the use of it. So do I. Good luck with your treatment.

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David77:

I can report that there are many wonderful nude statues through out the main part of Paris out on <u>public view</u> (and many others in the museums).

One cold, rainy day, (on 10-23-03) in Paris, when I saw the group sculpture on the Arch of Triumph, with the well known naked young man striding forward and wearing nothing but shoes and old type helmet, I projected my own feeling of being cold upon his appearing naked on that particular day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>See this nude sculpture on the Arch of Triumph at;
http://www.wiu.edu/users/mxevl/paris/arch.jpg

[Dolby]

stu,

I do agree that art can be an inspirational or beautiful recreation from the real world, but isn't that a rather limiting definition? Truly great art makes you think.

BTW, this doesn't mean you have to like all of it, or put it in your home.

[Bob S.]

"I don't have to see naked women under normal circumstances or allow anyone to see me naked so there's no problem."

And you know that I have aerophobia, the fear of flying. As long as I do not have to fly, I am fine, too. It doesn't mean that we are mentally healthy, just that in most situations, our phobias are in check.

Have you gone back to see the doc? If you do decide to forgo these pills for something else, do not just throw the pills in the trash. Toss them into the lou Flush them away.

Bob S.

Bob

I phoned the hospital yesterday and was told that my consultant is presently in the USA! His secretary contacted his trainee "specialist registrar" for me and I expressed my concern about the medication to her. She actually telephoned the consultant in America to find out what she should do!

This morning I was called to see the registrar who told me I could stop taking the medication and she gave me a new prescription (for "ethinyl estradiol" - don't know how you pronounce it) and also some progesterone tablets, which I've had before. I have to go back to see the consultant on 2nd December. I'm assured none of these drugs involve animal cruelty, although I could still end up feeling nauseous.

I really enjoyed flushing away those horse urine pills! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Stu