John Kerry's Daughter's Wardrobe Non-Malfunction

[hm0504]

After all the furore regarding Ms. Jackson's wardrobe malfunction, I'm shocked that there has NOT been much news about Ms. Kerry's translucent dress at the Canne's film festival (see pic on
http://www.tera.ca/
(scroll down to the May 18 story)).

Given Ms. Kerry's unabashed promotion of topfreedom, I think this would give American nudists a strong incentive to vote for her father John.

Any comments from Americans on this???

[MichaelJB]

I dont think that Kerry really cares about topfreedom or nudity right now, he just wants to make Bush look like an idiot and get into office and worry about petty issues like screwing up education and raising taxes. Maybe after that he will concentrate on nudism but I think he wants to screw up our economy first. I dont really like the guy but id vote him in for the sole fact that i want Bush out more than I care about Kerry being in office.

[Sol-Searcher]

MikeJB, maybe you should join his campaign, I'm sure he could use the advice.

Your friend,
Randy

[Boomhousedriver]

Beleive it or not, but John kerry is more likely to curtail our freedoms. He beleives that government should be running much of our lives and that people like him are more intelligent than the rest of us, therefore they should instruct us on how to run our lives.
I know that I want less government interference in my life, not more.
As for nudism, I read a poll that a majority of nudists were conservative christians. Not the type of people that kerry would look to support.

[MichaelJB]

I think the guy has some good ideas but I just think he needs some help with some things because he's gotta get people interested in voting for him. Luckily Bush is doing such a crappy job that he is helping Kerry so that Kerry himself has to do very little to win. I sure hope Kerry does something big for nudism or at least topfreedom for women.

[Boomhousedriver]

Yes, he will close all the beaches that are in national parks and seashores to appease some wacko environmental group, thus taking away some of the best spots that we like to enjoy.

Then, he will probably fiind a way to tax nudity.

[MichaelJB]

I just want Kerry in there cuz I dont like Bush and there isnt any other choices so really if it gets down to the nitty gritty I think id want Kerry in there. I dont honestly think though that either of them would support nudism that much. I dont like Kerry because of his attitude and his wanting to control and tax everything but I dont like Bush for ignoring our issues here and his constant yammering about Iraq and all the need for these conservative morals and ideals that would just make people wanna get rid of nudity even more.

[hm0504]

Ooops, noticed a type in my original posting...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> After all the furore regarding Ms. Jackson's wardrobe malfunction, I'm shocked that there has been much news about Ms. Kerry's translucent dress <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>should have read
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> After all the furore regarding Ms. Jackson's wardrobe malfunction, I'm shocked that there has *NOT* been much news about Ms. Kerry's translucent dress <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>[The original posting has been fixed.]

Was there much news about Ms. Kerry in the U.S.; I didn't seem much seep over the northern border.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Boomhousedriver:
Beleive it or not, but John kerry is more likely to curtail our freedoms. He beleives that government should be running much of our lives and that people like him are more intelligent than the rest of us, therefore they should instruct us on how to run our lives. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is the very first time I've heard someone accuse Kerry of being a conservative!

[MichaelJB]

I hardly think Kerry is a conservative.

[Boomhousedriver]

I did not acuse him of being conservative mark. I think you may be a little confused about conservative vs liberal.
Liberals are more likely to restict freedoms and impose governmental controls than conservatives. That is exactly opposite to conservatism.
I live in the most liberal, democratically controlled state in the union. Almost every elected official is a liberal democrat. 80% of the state legislature is democrats.
Taxes are skyrocketing and they are restricting every liberty from helmet laws fror motorcycle riders to closing the only nude beach in the state.

[Bob S.]

Boom, I think Mark was just being facetious.

"As for nudism, I read a poll that a majority of nudists were conservative christians."

I think that nudism is generally a cross-section of society. But the thing is that we have two orgs in the US, The AANR and TNS. Now these generally attract different people. The AANR, focused more on parks/resorts--small communities for nudism--tends to attract conservatives.

The TNS, focused more on establishing and maintaining beaches and open spaces, tends to be more proactive and thus, liberal.

Bob S.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>He beleives that government should be running much of our lives and that people like him are more intelligent than the rest of us, therefore they should instruct us on how to run our lives. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That sounds exactly like the so-called conservatives now in power.

[Evernude]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MichaelJB:
I dont think that Kerry really cares about topfreedom or nudity right now, he just wants to make Bush look like an idiot... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Kerry certainly has an easy job of that. Every time Mr. Bush gives a speech or press conference, he looks like a deer in the headlights. I really think they should'nt let him talk in public. I hope he's smarter than he looks and acts.

[MichaelJB]

Yeah I think Bush if he wants to go out and speak he should do it more and learn how to do it right otherwise not do it at all, because he really sucks at it now and if he cant do it right then he doesnt belong before the public.

[MichaelJB]

They need to get a nudist in there for President so that we all can go nude and screw over all the religious conservative nitwits.

[Rex]

In Australia, the Liberal party is right of centre and the Labor party is left of centre. The Liberals are usually in coalition with the National party, some of whom are probably more conservative than the average Liberal. Between them they get most of the votes and are generally fairly evenly matched.

The left of centre politicians are more likely to believe in personal choice on those issues which conservatives regard as "moral".

The third political force is the Greens. They already hold the balance of power in some Australian parliaments and their numbers are growing. Although the basis of the Greens platform has traditionally been protection of the environment, they are also strong on "social justice". This basically translates to the very fine Australian tradition of "a fair go for all".

As "all" in this context includes people of all races, cultures, religions and socio-economic backgrounds, this does not suit all Australians. After all, the "White Australian" policies were abandoned only recently. But it's the Greens support for things such as gay rights, abortion and voluntary euthanasia which really gets up the noses of the Religious Right, despite the fact that all these initiatives get majority public support in Australia. The RR is already targetting the Greens in the run up to the next Federal election, which could be as early as August.

Overall, the best choice for Australian nudists would have to be the Greens. Probably few nudists realise this and probably few influential Greens realise it either. I believe this is because relatively few nudists will "come out of the closet" and make their voices heard.

[nudeM]

John Kerry scares me. He constantly flip-flops on just about every issue. He'll say anything at anytime just to appease. He can't even decide if he will accept the nomination at the convention. Does this guy even have a spine to think on his own? If not, then how could he possibly be considered even being our President? At least Bush has the ability to make his own judgements and decisions, even though some of those decisions may be wrong. Kerry, on the other hand, would be much better if he were to remain mute. Everytime he opens his mouth, he stumbles.

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>He beleives that government should be running much of our lives and that people like him are more intelligent than the rest of us, therefore they should instruct us on how to run our lives. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That sounds exactly like the so-called conservatives now in power. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, yes, with the emphasis on "now in power." Because the exact same thing is true when the liberals are in power. It's a trait common to all who would aspire to power, whether liberal or conservative, republicrat or demoblican.

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MichaelJB:
Yeah I think Bush if he wants to go out and speak he should do it more and learn how to do it right otherwise not do it at all, because he really sucks at it now and if he cant do it right then he doesnt belong before the public. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And the exact same thing would apply to posting on public forums, wouldn't it!

[Naked In Florida]

As for the picture of his daughter, what she did I 100% appluad her, you go girl. But is what she did legal as she did expose herself to some extent!

[nunne]

Naked in Florida-
Remember that this was taken at the Cannes Film Festival. She probably could have gone topless and it would not have been illegal. It is pretty amazing that this hasn't gotten much press, but I'd be willing to bet that Rove and the rest of the Bush gang will be putting it out before the election as they continue to try and smear the character of any opponent who opposes them.

No one's family is safe from this type of tactic.

I am also shocked that anyone could think that Kerry would restrict our freedoms more than Bush has. That's unreal!

[Danee]

This is rather stupid. She wore a dress, that when hit with the bright lights of the cams and all that, was see-thru. It was not see-thru without those lights. Big damn deal. Get over it people! I cannot believe this simple act (or non-act) gets people into a slam against Democrats/Kerry/Bush/Republicans. Geeesh. I wear things like that too. Alot of people do and its not risque till that happens. So? Is it wrong? No.
I'm a strong, STRONG, Democrat but that has zip to do with this slam. Lets not get to where we will be w/ads coming up this summer. Negativity and slamming each other. I cannot believe real naturists or nudists would even do anything but shake their heads at this about his daughter and not in dissing her.
-Danee

[MichaelJB]

I am willing to bet that Kerry is more open about nudism than Bush is and if Kerry can just make a decision and hold to it then we would probably have it made. I hope Bush doesnt do too much to try and make that thing with kerry's daughter look bad.

[hm0504]

Just to clarify, the original intent behind the discussion was not what Alexandra Kerry was wearing (no issue there), but (in light of the Janet Jackson furore) to determine what impact the photograph had in the United States (to enlighten those of us who do not live there).

That said, the photograph certainly hints at Alexandra K.'s self-confidence and high degree of body acceptance for which is to be applauded. Assuming those characteristics are shared in some degree by her father, the suggestion was that would appeal to naturists political interests.

[hm0504]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I hope Bush doesnt do too much to try and make that thing with kerry's daughter look bad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't think President Bush would, particularly given the unfortunate drug-related issues with his nieces. However, religious right groups might attempt to use the photograph against Mr. Kerry.

[just_sailing]

I agree with Danee. It?s not a ?Democrats/Kerry/Bush/Republicans? thing. And it?s not an illegal thing either. Get a grip on things guys!

The only thing of interest is how the news media has basically not picked up this story. If it was one of the Bush girls, you know it would be on every newspaper and TV news show in the US.

Bush had no problem with Hippy Hollow, just outside of Austin, when he was Governor of Texas, and as President of the U.S. has made no negative action or statement about nudism, so why assume he would?

[b777]

This thread has turned comical; fact is that both parties want to restrict freedom of choice (through government meddling), just in different areas of our lives.

As for "conservatives" being opposed to nudism; the results of a poll on political affiliation on Cat's forum so far tends to refute that (small sample, but interesting result),

A -Republican 44% [ 27 ]
B- Democrat 16% [ 10 ]
C - Green Party 4% [ 3 ]
D - Other 14% [ 9 ]
E - None 19% [ 12 ]

Total Votes : 61

[Rex]

Professional public opinion survey taken in Victoria, Australia in 1978, "Are you for or against proclaimed free beaches?"

Australian Democrats For 83.1% Against 11.4%

Labor For 70.6% Against 23.1%

Liberal For 63.3% Against 29.1%

Country Party For 51.6% Against 36.9%

Australian Democrats were generally libertarian type left of centre and have lost much of their support to the Greens, who were then not in existence.

Labor, left of centre and again have lost some support to the Greens.

Liberal [in name only] right of centre.

Country Party [now National Party] generally more right of centre.

The figures have likely strengthened further in Australia since 1978 in favour of free beaches, but the voting patterns are probably still similar.

[nacktman]

bravo Danee. This flap is such a non issue even the "moral majority" as they were called...I think they are using "Citizens for decency" now...haven't begun to march in lock step denoucning MS Kerry and libeling her father.
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BTW it was mentioned that it was hoped a nudist would be elected president...They already have been...most serving as president have not had a problem with nudity and therefore are nudists (you need not be nude to be a nudist, folks). It is well known and documented that some of our presidents have held cabinet meetings in the pool nude. The first female reporter for any newspaper in the US interviewed President John Quincey Adams while he was swimming in the Potomac river nude (it was the only way she could get the interview...she was female and females weren't reporters in those days so the Prez wouldn't see her in the office so see saw him at the river.)

[Frank R]

Not certain if it is true or not but it has been reported that LBJ used to swin nude in the White House pool. I can't say I remember seeing anything at the time about it but after he left office it was reported.

[nudeinfl]

Amazing how a post talking about someone famous naked in public can turn into a political squabble. The phrase "who cares" comes to mind. POlitically, niether party is going to do a heck of a lot for nudists. We simply are not a powerful enough lobby yet.

Also, it is incredible how a group of people who claim to be open minded can be so vindictive. My personal political beliefs are irrevelant.

Cant we all just get along? As nudists, we are ostricized by mainstream society. Thus it is even more vital that we band together. To allow something as simple as differences in political beliefs divide us is prohibitie to what we are trying to accomplish. We are just too small in numbers.

[Trailscout]

nudeinfl,

We are not a powerful lobby, but remember how politics works, politicians generally do things for small special interest groups if they can deliver the vote in a tight race, or well-connected members can provide access to the media or other resources they need.

Once in a while you get an idealistic newbie who will do something for nudists because helping us is a victory for civil liberties. The Libertarian Party comes to mind as a political party that is more likely than others to take our cause "pro bono".

If we can start with an open-minded junior state or U.S. congressman and support his campaigns, mentor him, we might be able to build enough loyalty that he will help us to a degree out of proportion to our numbers.

[Frank R]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trailscout:
[QB] nudeinfl,

Once in a while you get an idealistic newbie who will do something for nudists because helping us is a victory for civil liberties. The Libertarian Party comes to mind as a political party that is more likely than others to take our cause "pro bono".

As a Libertarian, I think only the Libertarian party is going to support us openly. What I find funny is how sometimes very liberal Democrats and very conservative Republicans can support our nudist cause but usually it is not what I would call open support. But neither of these so called "mainstream" parties can be counted on - look what happened in Virginia.

[missouriboy]

"Amazing how a post talking about someone famous naked in public can turn into a political squabble."

Not amazing to me! The family name of the 'someone famous' is listed in the topic title, and if he is not a "political squabble" he'll certainly do until one comes along! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif