Unusual hospital visit

[G I Joe]

I've just come back from having day surgery at the hospital. When I first checked in I was taken to one of the day surgery rooms and the nurse told me to remove my clothes and put on the gown that she handed me. It was obvious she was waiting for me to give her my clothes so she could bag them with my name until the surgery was over. As I undressed another nurse came in and wanted to take all of the chart information that they do when you are checking in. As I handed over my clothes, the check in nurse continued to ask me questions. The gown I was given had a strap missing in the back, so the other nurse took it away from me and said she would get me another one. While she was gone, a third nurse came in and wanted to start an IV. It took the nurse who left to get another gown a while to get back. During this time I was lying nude on the bed getting an IV put in and still giving out information to the other nurse. When the nurse with the new gown returned she waited until the IV was secure to ask me to put the gown on. At one time I had three nurses in the room with me standing and lying there buck naked! The whole process took about 20 minutes. I don't mind being nude anywhere, but this was a different experince, and it was almost as if they all enjoyed seeing me and keeping me that way!

[G I Joe]

I've just come back from having day surgery at the hospital. When I first checked in I was taken to one of the day surgery rooms and the nurse told me to remove my clothes and put on the gown that she handed me. It was obvious she was waiting for me to give her my clothes so she could bag them with my name until the surgery was over. As I undressed another nurse came in and wanted to take all of the chart information that they do when you are checking in. As I handed over my clothes, the check in nurse continued to ask me questions. The gown I was given had a strap missing in the back, so the other nurse took it away from me and said she would get me another one. While she was gone, a third nurse came in and wanted to start an IV. It took the nurse who left to get another gown a while to get back. During this time I was lying nude on the bed getting an IV put in and still giving out information to the other nurse. When the nurse with the new gown returned she waited until the IV was secure to ask me to put the gown on. At one time I had three nurses in the room with me standing and lying there buck naked! The whole process took about 20 minutes. I don't mind being nude anywhere, but this was a different experince, and it was almost as if they all enjoyed seeing me and keeping me that way!

[DenitaLC]

Sounds like a nice compliment to me. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif Hope all went well for your surgery and you have a quick recovery!



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freedom Guy:
I've just come back from having day surgery at the hospital. When I first checked in I was taken to one of the day surgery rooms and the nurse told me to remove my clothes and put on the gown that she handed me. It was obvious she was waiting for me to give her my clothes so she could bag them with my name until the surgery was over. As I undressed another nurse came in and wanted to take all of the chart information that they do when you are checking in. As I handed over my clothes, the check in nurse continued to ask me questions. The gown I was given had a strap missing in the back, so the other nurse took it away from me and said she would get me another one. While she was gone, a third nurse came in and wanted to start an IV. It took the nurse who left to get another gown a while to get back. During this time I was lying nude on the bed getting an IV put in and still giving out information to the other nurse. When the nurse with the new gown returned she waited until the IV was secure to ask me to put the gown on. At one time I had three nurses in the room with me standing and lying there buck naked! The whole process took about 20 minutes. I don't mind being nude anywhere, but this was a different experince, and it was almost as if they all enjoyed seeing me and keeping me that way! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Hey Freedom Guy - Better post a photo of yourself so we can all see what the nurses enjoyed!!!

[nudeM]

It sounds like a typical OR procedure, in that the naked body is no more than another body being prepared for another routine surgery. They, the OR staff, sees nude bodies all the time, so the sight of just another one is no big deal to them.

Granted, it is strange for them to do all the piercings while you remained nude, but then again, they were just in the routine of prepping you for surgery. I hope everything turned out okay. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif

[puffledud]

Freedom Guy,

I hope everything went well and you are recovering. Which hospital was it? I may ask to go there if I ever need to have surgery.

Cheers.

[Matt King]

My experience is that hospitals and medical persons do everything to conserve your modesty. I am surprised they had you naked for that amount of time.

[G I Joe]

Thanks, everyone for your reply. The surgery did go fine and I should be back at work in just a few days. I must admit I kind of enjoyed the whole "extra" attention! Knowing that in most cases they seek to perserve your modesty, even though they see naked bodies every day, is what made this an unusual visit for me. It was nothing to them (obviously), but I'm glad I experienced it!

[G I Joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fuzzy Nuts:
Hey Freedom Guy - Better post a photo of yourself so we can all see what the nurses enjoyed!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, Fuzzy...I'm proud of what I have, but honestly, it's nothing to brag about!

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Matt King:
My experience is that hospitals and medical persons do everything to conserve your modesty. I am surprised they had you naked for that amount of time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
These nurses were highly unprofessional as it was certainly not necessary to have you nude while they did their particular work. They went against hospital rules to preserve the patient's modesty and should be diciplined or fires for ignoring hospital rules.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freedom Guy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fuzzy Nuts:
Hey Freedom Guy - Better post a photo of yourself so we can all see what the nurses enjoyed!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, Fuzzy...I'm proud of what I have, but honestly, it's nothing to brag about! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we are in the same boat! Glad the surgery went OK.

[hm0504]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Matt King:
My experience is that hospitals and medical persons do everything to conserve your modesty. I am surprised they had you naked for that amount of time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
These nurses were highly unprofessional as it was certainly not necessary to have you nude while they did their particular work. They went against hospital rules to preserve the patient's modesty and should be diciplined or fires for ignoring hospital rules. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whoa! Hold on just a minute there David77. By Freedom Guy's description, there was nothing I read as being unprofessional. Indeed, the nurses nonchalant, laissez-faire attitude toward nudity is just the way it should be. Indeed, your statement above suggests to me that you think there is something quite wrong with being nude or being allowed to be nude.

[luvnaturism]

David is right that the nurses weren't following their rules of professional conduct, though it wouldn't have bothered me either. Such things do happen.

Earlier this year I went for an outpatient procedures that required me to remove my clothes from the waist down. The nurse was working with equipment in the room when I was taken in. She said, "Take your pants and underwear off and hang them on the hook behind the door. Then sit on the side of the bed. I have to get this done but I won't look."

I did as instructed, but was aware that she was working in a corner with mirrors on both walls that formed the corner. It was hardly possible for her not to look. But she obviously didn't care, and I didn't, so it wasn't an issue. It was, however, undoubtedly a violation of procedure.

[hm0504]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freedom Guy:
I've just come back from having day surgery at the hospital. When I first checked in I was taken to one of the day surgery rooms and the nurse told me to remove my clothes and put on the gown that she handed me. It was obvious she was waiting for me to give her my clothes so she could bag them with my name until the surgery was over. As I undressed another nurse came in and wanted to take all of the chart information that they do when you are checking in. As I handed over my clothes, the check in nurse continued to ask me questions. The gown I was given had a strap missing in the back, so the other nurse took it away from me and said she would get me another one. While she was gone, a third nurse came in and wanted to start an IV. It took the nurse who left to get another gown a while to get back. During this time I was lying nude on the bed getting an IV put in and still giving out information to the other nurse. When the nurse with the new gown returned she waited until the IV was secure to ask me to put the gown on. At one time I had three nurses in the room with me standing and lying there buck naked! The whole process took about 20 minutes. I don't mind being nude anywhere, but this was a different experince, and it was almost as if they all enjoyed seeing me and keeping me that way! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pray tell, just where did the nurses go wrong? I seem to be missing the point. I am assuming the nurses were nonchalant about FG's nudity. I get the impression that some nudists are OK with nudity on a beach but think nudity, as result of hospital procedures, is somehow something different altogether.

[Big-Thinker]

I think it depends on if they knew or suspected he was a nudist or not. Regardless of how we nudists feel, this would be absoultely humiliating/terrifying to the average textile American. So if they had no idea he was comfortable with nudity, they should not have left him exposed. If they knew he was comfortable, on the other hand, then I see nothing wrong with it, although it would probably would be against some policy (but then isn't everything).

[Al Bundy]

Having outpatient surgery next week. Hope I encounter a nude friendly staff. I have often wondered when they are working on the upper portion of the body why it is necessary to be nude. Not complaining though.

[hm0504]

Had the first gown not had a missing strap, FG would not have been nude very long. And so, a missing strap causes FG to be nude longer than expected. I expect if the nurses felt this was a problem, FG would have been given a covering. Apparently, they ascertained that was not an issue, and proceeded accordingly.

[G I Joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hm0504:
Had the first gown not had a missing strap, FG would not have been nude very long. And so, a missing strap causes FG to be nude longer than expected. I expect if the nurses felt this was a problem, FG would have been given a covering. Apparently, they ascertained that was not an issue, and proceeded accordingly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I agree with this statement. I was not offended at all that it happened this way. I'm very comfortable with my nudity and I'm sure that was obvious to them. After all, I could have asked for or demanded a sheet, but I didn't. It actually calmed me down having nude friendly nurses, even if it is against policy.

[G I Joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Al Bundy:
Having outpatient surgery next week. Hope I encounter a nude friendly staff. I have often wondered when they are working on the upper portion of the body why it is necessary to be nude. Not complaining though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Al--good luck to you as well. Here's hoping you, too, have a nude friendly staff taking care of you!

[hm0504]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freedom Guy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hm0504:
Had the first gown not had a missing strap, FG would not have been nude very long. And so, a missing strap causes FG to be nude longer than expected. I expect if the nurses felt this was a problem, FG would have been given a covering. Apparently, they ascertained that was not an issue, and proceeded accordingly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I agree with this statement. I was not offended at all that it happened this way. I'm very comfortable with my nudity and I'm sure that was obvious to them. After all, I could have asked for or demanded a sheet, but I didn't. It actually calmed me down having nude friendly nurses, even if it is against policy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Out of curiousity, is it policy that nurses must not see patients nude? Is it written policy that nurses must avoid seeing patients nude?

[tinner666]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Matt King:
My experience is that hospitals and medical persons do everything to conserve your modesty. I am surprised they had you naked for that amount of time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

While getting shaved for a Cardio-Cath, the nurse was trying to preserve my modesty. I told her to quit futzing around trying to observe only 1" at a time. She said OK and uncovered me. I also asked her to keep in IN the tan lines and shave both sides so it would be symetrical. After about 3 minutes, she stopped and said I didn't have any tan lines! A couple of other nurses checked it out while I told them about my lifestyle and the nearest resort. One visited there later in the year. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">These nurses were highly unprofessional as it was certainly not necessary to have you nude while they did their particular work. They went against hospital rules to preserve the patient's modesty and should be diciplined or fires for ignoring hospital rules. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree totally with David. OK, if you're a nudist and don't mind that but, as a non nudist, there is NO WAY I would have accepted that, or anything close. I can't imagine that happening in a British hospital as patient dignity is an important feature.

Just imagine the furoré if they had been male nurses and a female patient!!!!

Stu

[luvnaturism]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hm0504:
Out of curiousity, is it policy that nurses must not see patients nude? Is it written policy that nurses must avoid seeing patients nude? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know how much is written and how much is in oral instructions given to medical staff. I think the policy in the US is largely driven by the legal situation, i.e., the fear that someone will claim sexual harrassment or some similar thing and sue. In any event it's very clear that medical facilities have established procedures designed to make sure that the sexual areas of patients will be exposed only when medically necessary, and then only as long as absolutely necessary.

At the HMO that we use no one, not even a doctor, enters an examining room without knocking. If the doctor leaves during an exam, he knocks again before reentering, even if I'm sitting there fully dressed. If I need to undress for the exam, I'm given a paper gown to wear even though no one but the doctor will be in the room.

Some years back I had in-patient surgery, and almost fainted in the bathroom on my first trip after the operation. I had trouble getting the nurse to come to my aid because she knew I was naked, and she was reluctant to open the door.

It's a ridiculous state of affairs, but I'm quite sure it's prompted by the constant threat that doctors and hospitals will be sued if any excuse can be found.

[hm0504]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvnaturism:
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It's a ridiculous state of affairs, but I'm quite sure it's prompted by the constant threat that doctors and hospitals will be sued if any excuse can be found. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Personally, I think the readiness we have in the West to fire nurses over the above non-incident and other such nonsense is more dangerous to our futures than anything Al Qaeda could do.

[luvnaturism]

I wouldn't disagree, but please note that I haven't said that the nurses did anything for which they might be fired. Admonished yes; but not fired.

My view is that the whole matter of complicating medical care by extremes in the name of protecting patient modesty is crazy. But I do recognize that medical professionals and medical insititutions in the US work constantly with two realities:

1. There are always lawyers looking to find an unhappy patient to provide an excuse for a lawsuit.

2. Many patients have extreme modesty needs, sometimes bordering on the bizarre. Ignoring these wouldn't be good medicine, and could cause other problems. See #1.

[KNude]

Last week i went get an annual physical from my new primary care physican. After the EKG and other exams, but not a rectal because I am under the care of a urologist, Told her I was a nudist and spent a lot of time in the sun and wanted a dermacological exam. She examined the bare upper part ofmy body. I stated that I wanted the rest of my skin examined. I finished undressing and remained nude while she examined my waist to my thighs. She made a comment that I seemed comfortable being nude. She had me lie on the table and gave me a drape to examine my legs. I told her I didn't need the drape and put it to the side. She completed the exam and asked if I went to nude beaches. I stated that there were none in our area but I did go to nude resorts and belonged to a nude social club. She seemed very comfortable with my nudity and seemed to feel it made her work easier. I will return to her because of her acceptance and comfort level with my being nude. Too bad people are so up-tight about being "naked".

[Denis Swiss]

Even m myself naturist, i agree that patients' modesty need to be preserved, i was 2 times for surgery in hospitals, one time in Switzerland, then in France, the medical staff was very professionnal about that subject.
We have actually a controversy in Europ between some islamic people and doctors about the examination process, some of them dont want that males doctors could examine their wifes....even with clothes on !!!!!!!

[freedom2be]

As an R.N. I can tell you that it's part of our training to provide privacy. I've never known it to be part of a health facility's policy - just part of our professional training. Those nurses were clinically unprofessional.

[dan t]

???? How did she get the gown over the IV ?

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freedom Guy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hm0504:
Had the first gown not had a missing strap, FG would not have been nude very long. And so, a missing strap causes FG to be nude longer than expected. I expect if the nurses felt this was a problem, FG would have been given a covering. Apparently, they ascertained that was not an issue, and proceeded accordingly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I agree with this statement... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, this is the best answer. Why? Because outpatient surgical facilities, the surgeons themselves, the anesthesiologists, and all and sundry support requirements are often scheduled very tightly. The nurses and everyone else are under pressure to maintain that schedule, so a little thing like a missing gown-strap couldn't be allowed to disrupt it. That would be a mighty poor excuse to throw the rest of the day into chaos. When it becomes necessary to dispense with normal guidelines, the least consequential option will be chosen.

[Boreas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by freedom2be:
As an R.N. I can tell you that it's part of our training to provide privacy. I've never known it to be part of a health facility's policy - just part of our professional training. Those nurses were clinically unprofessional. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you f2b, it was unprofessional to leave a patient like that for such a long time. It doesn't matter if he was comfortable with nudity or not.

I recently went fo physio on my neck and that meant to remove my clothes from the waist up and put on a gown. It seemed silly to me since my back would be exposed and the gown hardly covered anything plus I didn't feel the need to cover myself. Never-the-less, I was glad of the gown on some days. It gave me some fabric between me and the vinyl table and also gave me a LITTLE extra warmth on the colder days. My phsyio was male and had very good boundaries. I think the gown adds a certain element of professionalism at times, and I did appreciate that too.

I certainly do not think this is an incident where the nurses needed to be fired or anything. It may be a sign that nurses are being overworked these days and many hospitals are understaffed.

Hospital/healthcare settings are very scary for many people and health care professionals need to be aware of this. As a helping professional myself, I have been reminded of this on a personal level with my recent physio experience following x-rays and CT scans and doctor's visits!

[backwd84]

I'm not sure if the rules are different in Canada where I live, but several years ago I need an Angiogram which required inserting a catheter into a vein in my groin. They had a male orderly shave my groin prior to being sent down for the surgery. When I arrived in a hall out side the operating room a nurse inspected the area and told me the orderly had not properly prepared the area. She then very matterof factly proceded to shave my groin completely. I thought this was strange but she was professional about it and I was a nudist so I didn't mind. During the procedure my groin was exposed for several minutes with several nurses peresnt while the cathweter was inserted. After the procedure I was taken to a recovery area and a pressure bandage was applied to the immediate area and I was covered with a sheet to cover my genitals. During the next hour the bandage was removed several times to see that the bleeding was stopping. Each time my cover was pulled back and a nurse checked my groin. Because a change of staff happend during this time I was seen by at least six different nurses. They were all very professional but I was very glad I was a nudist as I would have been very embarassed before I was a nudist by such constant exposure.

[Chief78CJ7]

One thing this thread misses.. and MANY nudists, is that there *are* textiles that aren't all freaked about nudity.

You know.. those friends/etc that aren't surprised you're a nudist or visit nudist clubs and resorts, etc. There *are* people other than affirmed nudists that don't view nudity as a big deal...

I don't have a single friend that has either indicated they're aren't comfortable with my nudity at my house or stopped coming over. They don't really care... weird to them at first in instances, they no one cared if it was me being nude and not them.


I do agree that Nurses aren't going to assume you're OK with nudity.. But how do these all these nurses get used to nudity that we're all in agreement that they are going to see?.... Who is it that they're seeing?? All nudists? Or are there some textiles that haven't sued??
Think about it...

[barebum]

Very True Chief, I have not lost any friends because I am a naturist, in fact some very curious and had joined in!

On subject not stayed in hospital to stay, but sure Doctors and Nurses have seen it all before and it is just part of job!

[Al Bundy]

Well Freedom Guy, I had my surgery on Friday and the nurse told me to leave my underpants on. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif She left the room while I was putting on the gown and did not return until I informed her I was decent (not that nude is indecent).

[Orangexcalibare]

I had surgery and they needed to shave me for the procedure. What was really funny was that they shaved me very low, and very high, so i had hair on the upper part of my chest and none all the way down to my legs. I was very surprised they would shave me that "low" shall I say. I was of course fine with it, it was just funny it happend that way. Wierd but true.

[tiger79]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Orangexcalibare:
I had surgery and they needed to shave me for the procedure. What was really funny was that they shaved me very low, and very high, so i had hair on the upper part of my chest and none all the way down to my legs. I was very surprised they would shave me that "low" shall I say. I was of course fine with it, it was just funny it happend that way. Wierd but true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And how did the tonsillectomy go?

[G I Joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Al Bundy:
Well Freedom Guy, I had my surgery on Friday and the nurse told me to leave my underpants on. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif She left the room while I was putting on the gown and did not return until I informed her I was decent (not that nude is indecent). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Al, hope all went well with your surgery. Sorry you had to deal with those underpants! My experience may never happen again. I guess I was just lucky that time!

[G I Joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Orangexcalibare:
I had surgery and they needed to shave me for the procedure. What was really funny was that they shaved me very low, and very high, so i had hair on the upper part of my chest and none all the way down to my legs. I was very surprised they would shave me that "low" shall I say. I was of course fine with it, it was just funny it happend that way. Wierd but true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's a lot of shaving--or would be in my case with as much hair as I have. I didn't report on that part of my surgery since it went as I expected--a male nurse did my shaving.

[DoctorSurferDude]

For any type of abdominal, thoracic, hip, pelvic or back surgery, the patient is nude in the Operating room for purposes of cleaning and getting a "sterile field" prior to draping and cutting.

However....the prediciment those nurses placed you in was inappropriate and unprofessional (unless you were in certain parts of Europe where that is not abnormal). You are a nudist, so of course it was not a big deal. But that is not the standard of care and I feel very bad for the non-nudists that come under those nurses' care.

[Al Bundy]

Yes Freedom Guy, the surgery was a success. It was a rotator cuff procedure. That was the easy part as now I am confined to a CPM for almost 8 hours per day (which I can do nude) and then the torture chamber, physical therapy in about 2 weeks. Not looking forward to that at all since I experienced it in 92 with my other shoulder.

Hope you are healing nicely.

It is nice having a doctor on the forums, thanks Dr.SurferDude.

[Fresh Air]

That deserves an incident report. This kind of activity shouldn't be tolerated in health care.

[richinoregon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Orangexcalibare:
I had surgery and they needed to shave me for the procedure. What was really funny was that they shaved me very low, and very high, so i had hair on the upper part of my chest and none all the way down to my legs. I was very surprised they would shave me that "low" shall I say. I was of course fine with it, it was just funny it happend that way. Wierd but true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a hernia operation when I was in the military (lower abdomen) and since I was mobile they required that I shave from 'neck to knee' in preparation. So shaving so high and so low isn't that abnormal.

[nudnurs]

The docs here are right, as a nurse,that was totally improper and unprofessional.

[Orangexcalibare]

Thanks rich, thats interesting. I just looked really funny for a while afterwards.

[Naked Canuck]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tiger79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Orangexcalibare:
I had surgery and they needed to shave me for the procedure. What was really funny was that they shaved me very low, and very high, so i had hair on the upper part of my chest and none all the way down to my legs. I was very surprised they would shave me that "low" shall I say. I was of course fine with it, it was just funny it happend that way. Wierd but true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And how did the tonsillectomy go? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Seriously, I just about fell off my chair!

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Another reason (other than the important sterile field) why you may need to remove all clothing for simple upper-body operations is for the sake of your clothing. It's amazing where blood can find its way to - which is usually cleaned off at the end of the operation. Years back I had a t-shirt ruined when an ER doctor decided to just leave it on when suturing up a gash I had given myself (I had managed to close it, clean it & bandage it all without getting the shirt stained), and I now appreciate when I see thought to try and prevent this)
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On a separate note, it seems to me as if this all is getting quite out of proportion. I can remember many of my textile friends once saying that nudity was fine for a doctor while he was 'cutting me open' or while having a shower - and this was from quite an insecure person. Come on now, people. Why, of all people, are we promoting this kind of silly trigger-happy mentality?

I know that my own experience is quite coloured from my involvement in hospitals in 3rd world countries where notions of privacy were a vague afterthought at best. This does, however, seem like over-reaction, even in this privacy-obsessed continent. I do understand the need to treat patients with dignity - which it does sound as if the nurses were doing. True, for some people, having never been aware of being seen naked would help their perception of their own dignity - but I can't even imagine my one paranoid friend filing a complaint over this.

I'm sure that there are times even in the highly-trained first-world where the nurses rhythm gets off a beat or so, and the resulting disorganisation results in scenarios such as this. These people are worked hard as it is, and shouldn't be hauled over the coals for something such as this. If we were held up to the same standards that we hold others up to, I'm sure most of us would be out of a job by the end of the day.

- Just some thoughts. (thought they did ramble quite a bit)

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm sure that there are times even in the highly-trained first-world where the nurses rhythm gets off a beat or so, and the resulting disorganisation results in scenarios such as this. These people are worked hard as it is, and shouldn't be hauled over the coals for something such as this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That's about what I opined the other day, too. Thanks for the backup. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[Orangexcalibare]

LOL Guess I should have said, shave my abdomen. Sorry, but thanks for making light of my mistake. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

[Naked Canuck]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Orangexcalibare:
LOL Guess I should have said, shave my abdomen. Sorry, but thanks for making light of my mistake. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Orangexcalibare:

Well, there's always next time. Did they remember to take those tonsils out, after all that? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

[Orangexcalibare]

Nope I still have my tonsils! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif But I am short a gall bladder and a handful of lymph nodes though.

[timothyc]

two different situations. In the first I wasin the hospital after surgery and needed to urinate. since I was not yet able to get out of bed to use the bathroom I asked for one of those things, i can't remember what they are called but they are tall and have a top on it. anyway the nurse brought me one but instead of them leaving the room so I could use it acouple more nurses came in and were standing there while i had my gown up attempting to use it. only 1 of the nurses seemed to have any reason to be there asking questions regarding the surgery but at least it seemed to me the rest were just looking at me. Usually that wouldn't have been so bad but I wa unable to urinate with 3 or 4 lady nurses looking at me. Eventualy they realized the problem and left long enough for me to finish. It may have been just a coincidence that they all came in at that time but once they saw I was trying to urinate with my gown up they could have left. I was having enough trouble as it was using that thing since I was unable to use one arm after the surgery.

A different situation. I was at a dermatologist wearing only my underwear no gown which is not a problem since I never worry about having a gown or not. If they give me one sometimes I wear it sometimes not. This particular time I was there for a rather extended period of time in my underwear for an examination, and a biopsy. I had no problem except once when the doctor left the room for a few minutes she didn't shut the door so anyone passing by the room would have seen me laying there in only my underwear something that the doctors should have realized would bother a lot of people. I have no problem with medical people, doctors, nurse or whoever, male or female coming in and out during an examination but it seems like they could close the door when they leave,

[timothyc]

If as it seemed to me the nurses were staring I do not know if it might have been either because of my unusually small privates or my complete lack of body hair having coincidentaly just shaved from the neck down immediately before the injury that caused the surgery.

[kelly99]

Timothyc---probably the former (very small genitalia). Nurses, as with most people, are curious with things out of the norm like very small or very large.

[Home Nudist]

Timothyc---probably the former (very small genitalia). Nurses, as with most people, are curious with things out of the norm like very small or very large.

I tend to disagree that the nurses were staring at all.

Do you know how many privates a nurse sees (and even has to wash, treat, and even prep-shave for surgery) in the course of a day? And, don't forget breasts and behinds, and tubes going in and out of every orifice. As it is to a nudist, after a while it's all just skin.

If they do see anything unusual :eek: , they won't stare..... They'll probably go off and giggle about it in the Nurses' Lounge !

(Now, doesn't that make you feel better?) :p

[walter05]

I remember one time when I was 20, I was wearing some shorts and no underwear. The zipper broke and I did not know it. I was out shopping.

By the time I got into my car, I realized that my penis was poking out the fly. No one said anything.

Even if someone looked, that person would be too embarrassed to admit it. I figure that is what happened to me. I expect no one will say anything.

[timothyc]

I do not know for sure they were staring but it did seem to me lije there were an unnessesary number of women in the room for no obvious reason who could have been off helping someone else rather than watching me try to urinate. there was nothing else going on in the room nothing else that needed to be done. How many nurses does it take to help one patint try to urinate. If any nurse neede to be there at all it might be the one who was asking me some questions but even that seems like it could wait. The other nurses weren't doing anything.

[timothyc]

By the way I just wanted to say I have never had a problem with any medical person male or female seeing me naked though outside of medical situations have never benn socially nude in mixed xompany and only on rare occasions with other men in changing rooms or showers. i have had my privates examinrd by women doctors and otherwise been seen naked by a number of women doctors and nurses without a problem but for me personaly even if it may seem strange urinating is different and at least at the time was something I wanted privacy for. A year and a half later I wa again in the hospital and that time I was ablre to urinate without a problem with 1 nurse still in the room after bringing me something to use.

[narod]

After a serious Cycling accident (Hit and Run, by a full sied pickup truck), when I was brought to my house by a witness, the EMTs (both female) cut my cycling skin suit off as they were loading me in the Ambulance. I ended up in a trama center, 1 1/2 hours from home, for three days, with a brain hemorrhage. I rode to the trama center in an ambuance because the helocopters were all tied up. I had no covering what so ever, because of all the wires, etc.etc. Since I was in and out of CT Scan, and XRays, all the time, the staff at the trama center, ask if I was OK with remaining nude. It made it easier for them and me. I couldn't move around until the bleeding stopped, or they did surgery. The bleeding stopped on it's own. I had 2 male and about 5 female nurses. The guys at CT Scan didn't cover me, they just picked me up and put me in the machine, and then back in my bed. They would throw a sheet over me when they took me to and from my room. Finally, on the third day, they could let me sit up. Still, I had no gown, and even my room mate got tired of talking to the curtain, and ask if they could open the curtain between us. So, I was sitting up on the edge of the bed, naked. That was fine. The room door was open. No one seemed to mind. Finally the Physical Thearpy Dept came to teach me how to do stairs on my crutches. The male nurses came in and decided I'd need a gown, to go out in the stair well to practice steps. The staff was very professional about the entire stay. Even the cleaning lady came in and did her job, would ask how I was doing, and go on about her business. This was in a very big hospital with a very large, excellent staff. However, even for being such a big place, the doctors, nurses, and staff made you feel very comfortable and relaxed. For the staff's ease of doing their job, being totally naked was the best for them and me.

[walter05]

TimothyC;

I remember recovering from Legionaire's Disease. For 4 days I was in ICU and out of it with a catheter. When I asked them to take the catheter out, I was told only if I agreed for the first day to urinate in a cup with assistance.

They not only wanted to make sure I was okay but wanted to get a sense of the stream strength and then take a sample of the top for testing.

Even though it was with a male nurse, it is not easy to urinate when someone is by necessity staring at your penis.

I understand where you are coming from with wanting some privacy.

Sometimes, the nurses get so caught up, they forget that the 999th penis urinating that week is the only one you have.

[walter05]

After a serious Cycling accident (Hit and Run, by a full sied pickup truck), when I was brought to my house by a witness, the EMTs (both female) cut my cycling skin suit off as they were loading me in the Ambulance. I ended up in a trama center, 1 1/2 hours from home, for three days, with a brain hemorrhage. I rode to the trama center in an ambuance because the helocopters were all tied up. I had no covering what so ever, because of all the wires, etc.etc. Since I was in and out of CT Scan, and XRays, all the time, the staff at the trama center, ask if I was OK with remaining nude. It made it easier for them and me. I couldn't move around until the bleeding stopped, or they did surgery. The bleeding stopped on it's own. I had 2 male and about 5 female nurses. The guys at CT Scan didn't cover me, they just picked me up and put me in the machine, and then back in my bed. They would throw a sheet over me when they took me to and from my room. Finally, on the third day, they could let me sit up. Still, I had no gown, and even my room mate got tired of talking to the curtain, and ask if they could open the curtain between us. So, I was sitting up on the edge of the bed, naked. That was fine. The room door was open. No one seemed to mind. Finally the Physical Thearpy Dept came to teach me how to do stairs on my crutches. The male nurses came in and decided I'd need a gown, to go out in the stair well to practice steps. The staff was very professional about the entire stay. Even the cleaning lady came in and did her job, would ask how I was doing, and go on about her buiness. This was in a very big hospital with a very large, excellent staff. However, even for being such a big place, the doctors, nurses, and staff made you feel very comfortable and relaxed. For the staff's ease of doing their job, being totally naked was the best for them and me.

In a trauma situation, the EMTs and/or nurses, and/or doctors want to see any and all wounds without delay. They don't want to move the patient extra because it can be painful and lead to additional injuries. Cutting the clothes off is a way to do that so it is standard.