Article on nudity in the family.

[fredm74]

I thought this was a pretty good and positive outlook on family nudity.



http://www.wikihow.com/Practice-Nudity-in-your-Family

[fredm74]

I thought this was a pretty good and positive outlook on family nudity.



http://www.wikihow.com/Practice-Nudity-in-your-Family

[K and C]

I liked the article I thought it was very well put together. thanks for sharing.

[fredm74]

My pleasure........

I really thought it was very well done too.

-Fred


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by K and C:
I liked the article I thought it was very well pu together. thanks for sharing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Toffer]

Dittos from me on it. Someone really knew what they were talking about

[NorthVanNudist]

I also felt the article was interesting and positive at first glance, but I did find several ideas and phrases troubling. The underlying theme seems to be:

family + home + nudity = good; naturism/nudism = bad

I know the article mentions the "nudist movement", but it is apparent by the author's interchangable use of naturist/nudist that there is no distinction (e.g., "This guide is intended primarily as a tool for parents who do not want their children to acquire naturist values while teaching them a wholesome understanding of human nakedness. Resources are available elsewhere if you are interested in being a nudist"). Not that I find anything wrong with "nudist". At my age, I still refer to myself as a nudist because that's the term I first learned in my teens. But if these terms are identical, can we substitute "naturist movement" or "clothes-free movement" for "nudist movement"?

In the first paragraph under the "Warnings" section, the author uses the phrases "decades of hedonistic influence by the nudist movement" and "nudism's close association with sexual activity."

As naturists, (or whatever terms we use to refer to ourselves), the author suggests we are hedonists seeking sexual activity through our lifestyle.

While I agree with the author that family nudity at home would have a lot of positive benefit to children, I perceive a conflict in the author's attitude. If your family goes without clothing at home, is your family not naturist/nudist? And by using the term hedonist, (the belief that pleasure is the thing), are we to tell our children that nudity is OK at home, but deny there is any pleasure in nudity. If it wasn't a great pleasure to go without clothes, would any of us choose to do it?

[nudeM]

Very nice article. Thanks for sharing with us. Sounds like the author has done his homework as far as research goes. Very well written. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif

[Nudony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">While I agree with the author that family nudity at home would have a lot of positive benefit to children, I perceive a conflict in the author's attitude. If your family goes without clothing at home, is your family not naturist/nudist? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a friend who was nude at home just about every day, often with her daughter in the backyard either sunbathing or skinny-dipping; her husband and sons occasionally joined in. Yet, she did not consider herself a nudist, in spite of my rationalization that she indeed was. Her argument was that she did not care to join strangers at a resort or beach; and therefore was not a nudist. Although I still disagree with her, I do see her point, which is based on a strict definition of nudism (nudity in a social circle, in an outside environment).
I believe there are many people who feel the same way, even though they may nude just as much, if not more, than the average nudist.

[fredm74]

Nudony, I completely agree with you. I think there was a discussion about it a while back. There are people who are nude at home but do not consider themselves nudist. They don't seek out nude beaches, they don't join AANR or TNS and they most certainly don't spend money on nude vacations.

-Fred



QUOTE]Originally posted by Nudony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">While I agree with the author that family nudity at home would have a lot of positive benefit to children, I perceive a conflict in the author's attitude. If your family goes without clothing at home, is your family not naturist/nudist? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a friend who was nude at home just about every day, often with her daughter in the backyard either sunbathing or skinny-dipping; her husband and sons occasionally joined in. Yet, she did not consider herself a nudist, in spite of my rationalization that she indeed was. Her argument was that she did not care to join strangers at a resort or beach; and therefore was not a nudist. Although I still disagree with her, I do see her point, which is based on a strict definition of nudism (nudity in a social circle, in an outside environment).
I believe there are many people who feel the same way, even though they may nude just as much, if not more, than the average nudist.[/QUOTE]

[Fun2Bnude]

For the most part, I found the article very well written. It was about nudity in the family, and that part of it was very good and should be enlightening for those who have not considered the topic. I agree that the references to nudism/naturism were not very flattering, and in my opinion don't really belong or relate to the article itself.

Now, nobody has mentioned the comments section. That is one of the scariest things I have ever seen. Some of the comments about the article make me wonder how the human race has survived as long as it has......go check them out for yourself, you will know the ones I'm talking about.

[tiger79]

Like others, I'm concerned that this article appears to be quite anti-nudist. Comments like "decades of hedonistic influence by the nudist movement" don't do us any favours.

[Sauna]

It is fun to read this kind of adwise. I'm sure it is needed there. In my country family nudity is a normal status. Most families have sauna bath all together and naked at least once a week and no damage on children. It would be good idea to send the researchers or writers to visit here and talk with people.

[NudistGuy47]

After reading the article, I did have concerns about the "nude in art" comments. After reading the dicussion postings, I found some to be incredibly closed-minded and others who actually get it. The therapist comments were very interesting to me as they raised a red flag in my head about that person. The most recent comments actually showed some sense. Bottom line, I give the article a 7.5 out of 10. Some careful editing of the "Don'ts/Warnings" would amke it beeter.

[Nude in the North]

<span class="ev_code_BROWN"> but also from decades of hedonistic influence by the nudist movement from influences such as Hedomism II in Jamaica, the SunnyDaze Resort in Coloroado, and events like Nudes-a-Poppin in Indiana (just a few examples) that underscore nudism's close association with sexual activity. </span>

I too took offence to this statement in the warnings section of the article.
So I did my best to correct it.
I posted this reply;

<span class="ev_code_GREEN">These examples are not Nudist venues. They are Primarily Swingers Resorts. Don't confuse Nudists with Swingers. And self respecting Nudist would not take his family to these places. Nudists and Nudist Associations strive to seperate themselves from any association with these sexually charged and hedonistic venues. </span>

I also posted this reply to try to counter act some of the negative replies.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Those of you with Hangups and Fears about Nudity, Have them BECAUSE you were taught them. Had you experienced some simple, natural, family nudity as you were growing up, you would understand how benneficial it actually is. I don't agree with everything in the article, but I do agree with the main message. Your children will be better off if they see occaisional nudity in their home, and recieve honest, straight forward answers to any questions they may ask as they grow up.</span>

Maybe some of you more articulate writers could offer your insight to the article.
Post a comment of your own to educate the people that read it.
If you want to promote, or defend nudism, that would be a good place to do it.
I am certain that most of the people that will read it arn't nudists. So you won't be preaching to the Chior.

Steve

[krcNY]

I did not walk away feeling good about the article at all.

Yes it started with some good ideas, but the further explanation really threw me. The article as a whole is just wrong.

[naturalmanwa]

Excellent article and well done! I think many non nudist families do some of the steps already and are close to being nudists without realizing it.

[P.J.]

The WikiHow article "How to Practice Nudity in your Family" did contain a few comments which were certainly not naturist-friendly.

The article was simply to promote positive attitudes towards the human body and nudity within the household and not to promote any sort of clothes-free lifestyle outside of the boundries of the home.

Words such as "nude," "nudism," "nudist," "naturism," "naturist resort," "nudist colony," and even "social nudism" would set off alarms, wave flags, flash signs and/or horrify someone who is innocently ignorant about social nudism.

The Wikohow article managed to make its point and maintain some neutrality.

[Ken Palmer]

Hey fredm74. This is flatout fantastic! Nevertheless, the family that will most likely have a problem with this issue is the family that does not believe in being nude arond each other regardless of what you try to convince them with. One example of that would be my family, God love them all! Still, thanks a million for sharing this with us. Super!

Ken Palmer


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fredm74:
I thought this was a pretty good and positive outlook on family nudity.



http://www.wikihow.com/Practice-Nudity-in-your-Family </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[barebum]

Would have been great to have been brought up in a naturist environment!

[fredm74]

You're welcome Ken. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

barebum, I know what you mean. It would have been awesome to grow up in a household where nudity was accepted, embraced and a non-issue.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ken Palmer:
Hey fredm74. This is flatout fantastic! Nevertheless, the family that will most likely have a problem with this issue is the family that does not believe in being nude arond each other regardless of what you try to convince them with. One example of that would be my family, God love them all! Still, thanks a million for sharing this with us. Super!

Ken Palmer


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fredm74:
I thought this was a pretty good and positive outlook on family nudity.



http://www.wikihow.com/Practice-Nudity-in-your-Family </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Bobby Hill]

Somebody from AANR or TNS or CFI must have written that!

[Procrastinator]

Bobby, you must have missed the disclaimer at the top of the article:

"Disclaimer: The purpose here is not to promote public nudity as a method for this How To; quite the contrary (see Warnings section below). This guide is intended primarily as a tool for parents who do not want their children to acquire naturist values while teaching them a wholesome understanding of human nakedness."

You'd think that lunkhead would at least explain what those obviously nasty "naturist values" are.

Joe

[Laura Lopez]

It'a a nice article. The first step to assume nudity as a natural behaviour is share nakedness in your family in a natural way.

[Naturist4Ever]

>> Somebody from AANR or TNS or CFI must have written that!

Cheri Alexander is on the author list (as she is so now and then here on CFF)

>> Some of the comments about the article make me wonder how...

Be aware that some of the comments relate to the article in an unedited (or less edited) form! The current version is the "final" edited version, some comments relate to earlier stuff that was deleted/changed later. Eg the comment by Shelly 7/15/2006 01:08 refers to a section that does not exist anymore. Be aware of this when reading the comments.

>> Hedomism II in Jamaica, the SunnyDaze Resort in Coloroado, and events like Nudes-a-Poppin in Indiana that underscore nudism's close association with sexual activity.

That IS right, Nude in the North. You may call these swingers resorts, but that is NOT what the general public knows or would grasp at first sight. Nude-a-Poppin was a sleaze event at Pondarose nudist club, swingers or not, it was a nudist club. Hedonism - well the names says it. Yes people are happily nude and nudist, but the place is (for those who want it) a lot more than just that. Those places are very much indeed not about the wholesome nudity that the article intends to describe. And that's only the start.

The real message of the article is simply that one does not have to be a nudist (or shall be labeled nudist/naturist) to be "unashamed of ones bodies". That's all.

>> This guide is intended primarily as a tool for parents who do not want their children to acquire naturist values while teaching them a wholesome understanding of human nakedness.

Ok, maybe it is a little ill-worded, but the point was this is NOT a guide into nudism or naturism (as a lifestyle) but a guide into acquiring a more healthy attitude to nakedness. That was all. I don't read it as anti-nudism at all, and as the posts above think it is a nice article that is a good first step towards natural behaviour and body acceptance.

[jedinudist]

Like others, I'm concerned that this article appears to be quite anti-nudist. Comments like "decades of hedonistic influence by the nudist movement" don't do us any favours.

This is one of the biggest hurdles that I see when it comes to presenting Nudism in a positive way to people who do not identify themselves as nudists, as well as to people who do not go nude outside of bathing.

Because there are so many swingers and perverts trying to mask their true intentions under the guise of Nudism, it has sullied Nudism's image in the eyes of the general public. All these swingers clubs, all these people who join Nudist clubs and organizations who really are just trying to get into an environment where they get to "window shop" other nude people; scare regular people away from Nudism.

Stories about people getting hit on, gross misbehavior, as well as clubs and organizations who do nothing about it when this sort of thing is brought to their attention will always inflict more damage and doubt about Nudism than our best P.R. campaigns can overcome.

My wife and I both have suffered from this. The very first social nude gathering I took my wife to went rather bad after a few hours. I had done as much research as I could on the host and the "club", and found only positive praise. There were about 15 to 20 people, including children at this function, and for the first 2 or 3 hours, everything was perfect. Folks swimming, sunbathing, chatting, etc. Then I noticed some very, very unacceptable sexual behavior between the host and someone else's wife taking place right in the middle of the yard, in front of everyone. I immediately told my wife to get dressed, apologizing profusely to her and reassuring her that this was NOT was Nudism was about. I think MAYBE 5 people left. The rest were literally cheering them on.

Her very next experience was at a small resort within an hour's drive from our home in TN. I had gone there several times with our son and had a blast prior to this. When my wife and I got there, it was a very different place. The same people still owned it, and I had talked in depth to them about my wife's terrible first experience. I expressed that she would most likely not want to get undressed until she had time to assess the environment and decide if she felt comfortable or not. They assured me that was not a problem at all. There were 2 or 3 other people who were fully clothed as well, but 2 of the nude people kept harassing my wife to get nude. Just my wife, not the others who remained clothed. I went to the owners and advised them of this and they did NOTHING. Suffice to say we were out of there immediately afterward and have never gone back.

In nudist experiences throughout my life I have been approached for sex numerous times by others purporting to be Nudists. I don't think of them as Nudists. I tend to think of them as naked perverts and swingers.

I don't think that just enjoying being nude makes one a "Nudist". I think it has allot to do with attitude and motive.

Thus, I understand why so many people equate Nudism with sex.

We have some religions preaching against us, saying nudism is about sex.

We have parts of society preaching against us, saying that nudism is sexual.

We have mass media that RARELY portrays Nudism, instead portraying naked people in sexual situations.

We have perverts and swingers associating themselves with our way of life when in fact they couldn't be further from being true Nudists if they tried.

It's up to us to set the example and let our behavior serve as the representation of what clean minded, wholesome social Nudism is really about.

Just my 2 cents :)

[wantago9]

Thank you for bring that well written article up. It was nice and easy going. Wishing many others would read this and learn to accept one another as they are. Those method would have greatly redue bullies, later in life. My daughter saw me nake, since she was the one that opened the bathroom door and I couldn't hear the knock. (I am deaf) I wasn't upset about it. I didn't even talk about it afterware. I am sure she did told her friends that she saw me naked. So what, I have nothing to be ashame of, right? My eight grade teacher were a nudist and he did explained this life style to students and outsiders. I liked him a lot and thanked him. This article could be brought up to any public health classes, too. Love you all, always.

[steve53]

I thought the article started off well. Then fell apart when the author/s ignorance of nudism/naturism vs hedonism/promiscuity became apparent. Should have done their research!

And that Therapists comments,,,hmmm, another product of our institutions of higher learning? Scary! This person works with the minds of troubled people? Very scary!

Oppression lives and is fostered by the brainwashed masses.

I now yield my soapbox to the next speaker.