Are pictures of young naturists safe? [Archive]

TJ Naturist

11-15-2002, 01:28 PM

Hi all,

I was wondering your opinion about the safety of young naturist pictures, such as teens for example. With the internet these days some wouldn't think of this, yet there are probably some sites with non sexual pictures of young nudists/naturists naked. Or, what about http://www.enature.net/ ? They have a video series with young naturists.

I was thinking, if it was really THAT dangerous, I don't think that the parents would let their kid's nude pictures be uploaded to the internet. What do you think?

~TJ

TJ Naturist

11-15-2002, 01:28 PM

Rik

11-15-2002, 01:55 PM

What do you mean by dangerous? Who is in danger? What is the nature of the danger?

TJ Naturist

11-15-2002, 03:06 PM

Hi Rik,

By "dangerous", I was meaning the possibility of the person in the photo being stalked or something of the like.

By the way (and this is completely off-topic), thats a cool Sonic avatar image you've got. I still have some Sonic games on my old 16-bit Sega Genesis.

~TJ

Rik

11-15-2002, 03:30 PM

TJ

I suppose there is always a theoretical possibility of someone (unclothed or clothed) in a photo being identified and then stalked but it seems a fairly remote possibility. Im not convinced that nudists are in any greater danger than non-nudists.

Glad you like the avatar - a bit of nostalgia eh?

Rik

11-15-2002, 05:40 PM

I think I understand what TJ is getting at, Rob & I have had some experience with what you are talking about.

A few years ago there where pictures of us (Rob & I) naked at our local beach on a naturist website and they ended up on a gay porno site. It took 12 months for us to get them taken off the porno site and the naturist site. I might add that the naturist site is no longer up and running.

I insisted when Rob did the family website that there where no naturist pictures of either of us on the site.

CT

Bartamus

11-15-2002, 08:35 PM

Casey: I understand your fears about naturist
photos. Although your family's website is awesome!

11-15-2002, 09:09 PM

Hey Bart

Thanks for the kind words about our family website, I'm working on the few hiccups on the site today.

I ditto's Casey's fears about naturist photo's, only from experience, I just hope non of the INA staff photo's end up on porn sites.

RT

Rik

11-16-2002, 02:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CT:
I insisted when Rob did the family website that there where no naturist pictures of either of us on the site. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But it's apparently ok to have pictures of other young naturists on your web site. Why is that?

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NakedInCT

11-16-2002, 06:30 AM

Hi there,
New to nudism, new to this site. Great stuff!

Let's remember that the nudism we enjoy has nothing to do with sexuality. So pictures are "safe" or "unsafe" regardless of whether the people in the pictures are wearing clothes. Pretend there are clothes on the people in the picture and ask yourself whether you--or any court--would consider them obscene. (Conversely, you don't need any nudity at all to have obscene images.) I doubt pictures of children or teenagers swimming or playing volleyball could ever be considered obscene by any measure, legal or otherwise.

Nudism means total freedom, which means people of all ages will get their pictures taken without much thought. There will always be dangerous people looking for prey, but they're not going to hang around a naturist Web site where monitors kick you off if you show even the slightest bit of impropriety.

Bartamus

11-16-2002, 12:36 PM

Rik: I gave RT permission to use our photos to
promote their and our naturist lifestyle. I've
gotten to know RT fairly well over these last
few months. It's apparent to me that he and his
bro got taken advantage of..by way illegal photos. As a result they're both very cautious.
Naturally it's hard for them to trust people.
I don't see a double standard here. They are big
INA supporters and we've very glad to have them.

Bartamus

11-16-2002, 08:42 PM

You'd think an adminstrator could string together
a cohesive thought! I meant to say that my
Australian naturist friends RT and CT were
photographed at a nude beach illegally. Their
photos ended up in the wrong hands. Naturally
they're a bit suspicious. We at INA are very
lucky to have them as part of our family.

Bob S.

11-16-2002, 09:44 PM

Any picture that is placed on a public site is subject to the possibility of being downloaded onto someone else's computer. From there, the picture can go virtually anywhere. Nudist pics can be placed on "soft-core" porn sites and the like.

The only danger with that is finding out that your or your child's picture is now on this porn site. The only consolation is if the pictures are copywritten by the owner of the specific website where it was first placed. In that case, the owner of the picture can threaten legal action unless the pic us removed.

It does get more dangerous the more information that is given either in the picture or on the page. I would not recommend giving a child's last name or even city within a site that contains the child's picture, clothed, nude, or head shot. That is just asking for trouble. To a lesser extent adults should also follow this rule.

As for videos, I can't imagine who would by them. I actually bought two Helios Natura videos just to see what they were like and found them unbelievably boring, not only because they were in Polish (I think), but also because they were basically home movies of non-events. Unless you just enjoy seeing naked people, nude home movies will probably not interest you.

Bob S.

j4king

11-16-2002, 10:38 PM

I am relatively new to naturism and have yet to experience social nudity. When I started visiting naturist web sites a few months ago I was always surprised when I saw pictures of nude people, but after a while I realized that seeing pictures of social nudity helped me understand how unsexual nudity is, and made me more comfortable with the idea of social nudity. And it is my understanding that this is precisely the reason that they are posted.

However, I still do not understand selling nudist pictures and/or videos. Why would true nudists want to pay for such (especially of people they don't know) when they live it? It seems to me the only people interested in buying such material would be those into (soft) pornography, and why would a true naturist site want to be involved in this?

One of the videos advertised on enature.net reads "Junior Miss Pageant 1999 vol. 2. 17 girls who have never been filmed before enjoy a day in the sun competing for first prize in a Naturist beauty and talent contest." $100 is the price. It seems to me only a pervert would want to buy something like this.

(It also seems a bit ironic for naturists to have a beauty pageant when one of the whole points of naturism is that bodies come in all shapes and sizes and should all be celebrated alike).

Rik

11-17-2002, 03:56 AM

Bart,

I wasn't suggesting they didn't have permission to use the photos but it struck me as odd that on the one hand they appeared to endorse TJ's sentiment that pictures of young people are potentially "dangerous" - and in fact had first hand experience of being exploited and are therefore cautious of allowing further pictures to appear (very understandable) - but on the other hand they don't seem to extend their caution to other young people whose pictures appear on their website.

It may be of course that all of the individuals in the photos (and their parents in the case of minors)are aware, and are quite happy that, their photos are being posted on websites where they can easily be copied to porn sites, but that seems unlikely.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of naturist photos as it helps to spread the message. Like Casey I'm not sure I would want my photograph on the web but equally I don't publish photos of other people.

So on the face of it, it does look a little like double standards and I guess others might think the same.

However I agree with you that the brothers T website is excellent as are their contributions to these forums.

Rik

dbickin

11-17-2002, 07:26 AM

j4king

My understanding is that the Beauty pageants were a mainstay of the first nudist/natursit movement. Back then, the goal of the movement was good health, and the pageants were sort of a reward for doing your best to look good. At that time, there was mandatory exercises and dieting.

Of course, I would suspect that as more people came into the movement, and a more recreation goal came to fore, the pageants remained because they do pander to desires not consistent with the current nudist values of body acceptance.

Before my time, but I recall reading, in the non-nudist sphere, beauty pageants were very very common. Today only a few, such as Miss America, remain.

I've never seen any of the videos in full because I think they are hideously overpriced. $50 in some cases for what is essentially a home movie of 50 or 60 minutes.

But I have seen excerpts and I like the sense of possibilities of what can be done. For instance, I saw one of a naturist train ride, in, I believe, England. I don't know of any such rides in the US, so watching the clip gives me a vicarious sense of doing something I can't do in real life.

Mind you, it doesn't hurt that I do like looking at pictures of naked people, many of which have nothing to do with nudism.

David

dbickin

11-17-2002, 07:41 AM

Um, let me clarify the last sentence of my last post. I am talking there about pictures of adults.

David

Bartamus

11-17-2002, 09:11 AM

Rik: I'm glad to see we are on the "same page" as
we say in "the states".
Bob S. I couldn't agree more about the boring
Helios videos. Actually those folks are Czechs.
We at INA screened a lot of those tapes when
we were thinking about offering them to our
members. Unfortunately, one learns nothing about
those people. For instance, are they active in
FKK activities because of their families or are
they new naturists that decided to join.
I've seen a lot of naturist videos over the
years. The Naturist Society in the form of Ethel
and Eden Velez made some great nude/documentaries
and provided english narration that actually told
you about the people and places they visited.
Helios could learn from them.

Nate90

06-09-2006, 11:28 AM

It is perfectly safe as the parents and children have agreed to the selling of the video plus it is a good insight into wat we do being naturists.

Yours sincerely
Nate

Bryan In The Nude

06-22-2006, 01:45 AM

I think I may be able to explain nudist/naturist videos, even though I am new to all of this...

I think it is really simple... why do several people watch fashion shows? Its all about the beauty, only in this case of the human body and not the mask it can wear. And one other differance is that is also includes persons of all shapes and sizes and not just sticks with large breasts.

Now as far as pictures of teen nudists... well, that gets iffy... It is just a picture of a person, but some see it as sexual. I guess it really just becomes personal opinion, I don't think there is a real answer to it.

I also am new, and have yet to experience social nudism, in fact, this is my first day being nude other than birth and showering, or for an extended time.

Fresh Air

06-25-2006, 05:11 AM

Do we really NEED naked pictures of teens or naked pictures of anyone for that matter?

It strikes me as funny that people will pay good money for a 'naked' birthday party, but would likely pay nothing for a 'clothed' birthday party; even if both situations were nudists celebrating.

So, then I ask myself why is that?

I'm not happy with some of the answers I derive from my question, so my oppinion on nudist videos (especially teen) tends to lean towards the side of wishing they were not as readily avaliable.

I think it is more dangerous for the people who feel they NEED this kind of thing, than for any of the other people involved. (teens, sellers, filmers, etc.)

Bryan In The Nude

06-25-2006, 10:45 AM

Fair point, but technicly isn't it the same as posting a clothed picture of yourself on the internet? Even if you are clothed, someone could still get their kicks from it...

Personally, I think both points are valid...We think nothing of it, since it is normal for us, but there are some perverts out there that like them for other reasons... we know that nudity!=sex and that it is just the body.

And again, there really isn't an answer to this.

Eric6420

06-25-2006, 12:41 PM

Here in Quebec, even if we are a relatively liberal society, most people associate photos of naked children with child pornography.

It is sad, because for me, nudity is about being free, but for some people, if you like to see photos of naked children, you are a pedophile.

I would say that 20 years ago, you could find giant posters of naked children in any shopping center in Quebec.

But now, there is not a day that we do not hear about child abuse, so even a parent taking a photo of his baby naked may get trouble. I find it quite sad and unfair.

It reminds me that 20 years ago, in Quebec, it was almost impossible to go to a garage, a gaz station or any place dominated by blue collar men, without seeing a calender with nude women on the wall. We do not see thoses anymore. Maybe we are becoming a bit puritan here too...

fredm74

06-25-2006, 12:41 PM

FreshAir, you have a valid point. I kind of figured that selling "products" on nudism was to able to help us fund the naturist industry. It's fair to say that nudism/naturism is a money making industry whether you agree or not. Nude cruises, nude resorts, helping to keep nude beaches clean and safe, all cost money.

I don't have a problem shelling out money to help a cause that I think is positive and promotes body acceptance.

-Fred

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fresh Air:
Do we really NEED naked pictures of teens or naked pictures of anyone for that matter?

It strikes me as funny that people will pay good money for a 'naked' birthday party, but would likely pay nothing for a 'clothed' birthday party; even if bot
h situations were nudists celebrating.

So, then I ask myself why is that?

I'm not happy with some of the answers I derive from my question, so my oppinion on nudist videos (especially teen) tends to lean towards the side of wishing they were not as readily avaliable.

I think it is more dangerous for the people who feel they NEED this kind of thing, than for any of the other people involved. (teens, sellers, filmers, etc.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fredm74

06-25-2006, 12:54 PM

So in essence you are asking why would a nudist purchase nude pictures or videos? Speaking for myself, I wouldn't hesistate buying a nude photo. If it's an artistic nude photo I would even likely hang it on my living room wall. I don't see anything unusual in that. Nudists tend to see the human body as an art form as it is. And as I mentioned to Freshair, most naturist website do sell products that cater to nudists. Nudist books, videos, photos, etc and it's susually to help keep the "business" of nudism strong and thriving.

But that is just my opinion. Love to hear more responses on this topic. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

-Fred

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by j4king:
I am relatively new to naturism and have yet to experience social nudity. When I started visiting naturist web sites a few months ago I was always surprised when I saw pictures of nude people, but after a while I realized that seeing pictures of social nudity helped me understand how unsexual nudity is, and made me more comfortable with the idea of social nudity. And it is my understanding that this is precisely the reason that they are posted.

However, I still do not understand selling nudist pictures and/or videos. Why would true nudists want to pay for such (especially of people they don't know) when they live it? However, I still do not understand selling nudist pictures and/or videos. Why would true nudists want to pay for such (especially of people they don't know) when they live it? It seems to me the only people interested in buying such material would be those into (soft) pornography, and why would a true naturist site want to be involved in this?

One of the videos advertised on enature.net reads "Junior Miss Pageant 1999 vol. 2. 17 girls who have never been filmed before enjoy a day in the sun competing for first prize in a Naturist beauty and talent contest." $100 is the price. It seems to me only a pervert would want to buy something like this.

(It also seems a bit ironic for naturists to have a beauty pageant when one of the whole points of naturism is that bodies come in all shapes and sizes and should all be celebrated alike). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Darwin

06-25-2006, 06:04 PM

Is this the same as the CFI videos? Once you have watched them once online why buy a home copy?

People buy movies of all kinds because they enjoy watching it. Why is it bad to watch an adam sandler movie over and over or a pagent. We just had a blockbuster movie and play about a spelling bee.

Beside all the predators are busy with the walmart of online space. My Space.

Cheers,

Fresh Air

06-25-2006, 06:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">FreshAir, you have a valid point. I kind of figured that selling "products" on nudism was to able to help us fund the naturist industry. It's fair to say that nudism/naturism is a money making industry whether you agree or not. Nude cruises, nude resorts, helping to keep nude beaches clean and safe, all cost money.

I don't have a problem shelling out money to help a cause that I think is positive and promotes body acceptance.

-Fred </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't see how pictures or videos help fund nudism. Joining a national nudist organization like AANR is how to help fund nudism. Going to resorts, cruises, etc. help fund the peripheral industries.

The only people being funded by pictures and videos are websites and companies selling the videos.

I also doubt that most of the people buying the nudist videos are buying them for the "right" reasons.

It kind of saddens me. I see that segment of nudism as a prostitution of something pure. (I don't consider it part of the nudist cause or nudist industry when it is not associated with a nudist oganization).

Fresh Air

06-25-2006, 06:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Fair point, but technicly isn't it the same as posting a clothed picture of yourself on the internet? Even if you are clothed, someone could still get their kicks from it...

Personally, I think both points are valid...We think nothing of it, since it is normal for us, but there are some perverts out there that like them for other reasons... we know that nudity!=sex and that it is just the body.

And again, there really isn't an answer to this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do a random survey for yourself. Put in the word "porn" and check how many clothed sites come up.

My answers are that we shouldn't NEED pictures and videos. That would be an addiction. My other answer to my other question is that for some reason naked teens sells better than clothed teens. I think that has something to do with the people who NEED these kind of pictures and videos.

Eric6420

06-25-2006, 06:29 PM

Anything could become an addiction. So the solution is not to ban anything that could become an addiction.

If you ban the photos of naked people, people would become intolerant of nudity and the problem would be far worse.

Frodo

06-25-2006, 07:23 PM

With just an image and no personal information, you probably would not be stalked unless the stalker recognized you. I think as a clothing-optionalist the philosphy is that the human body is not obcene no matter how young or old you are. Photos of people from 1 to 100 should not matter when you don't sexualize the body as nudists should not. You also can't live in fear that there is a sicko out there somewhere. There are sickos everywhere. Take smart precautions and live your life. I personally think there would be far less sickos if nudity was common in society. Sites like this one seem to attract antinude protesters and not pedophiles. Others are right when they say the pedophiles are all on MySpace.

DoctorSurferDude

06-25-2006, 10:51 PM

I'm not bothered by nudity.... nor am I bothered by naked teens.... I'm even not bothered by pictures of naked teens.

Here is what bothers me....

The website is about making MONEY.

- ENATURE.NET has no presence to promote nudism, they promote themselves. (Google eNature.net)

- They have absolutely no accreditation. They claim this accredidation... (Google "The Council for Nudist Web Site Certification")

- When I see the photos on the site I see a scewed view of nudism, not an accurate one.

- Why are their videos featuring 80-90% pre-pubescent and pubescent girls???? Of course....since it's about $$, the answer is that it SELLS.... and the horrible implication is that a whole lot.... and not to somebody like me, because nudism is something I DO and participate in, not something I watch on my TV. My guess is that this website is a favorite among pedophiles....

I'm all for freedom of speech, but I really question the motivation of a site like this. And from an ethical standpoint, I think it's something worse than a slippery slope. I'm sure most of the videos were made with the best of intentions. I have doubt left to assume that they are being sold with the best of intentions. But I have no doubt that they are being bought predominantly with the wrong intentions....and that's very depressing.

Those are innocent children being peddled for $60 a video, and I'm sure there are persons out there who gladly spent $1000 to have the whole library of naked pre-teen and teenage girls and boys at their finger tips ready to pop into their DVD players. That....gives me a bad vibe.

Why aren't there any videos on that website that feature a crowd that is 80% male with a predominant 40+ age group??

The problem is a video like that wouldn't sell....WHY NOT?? ....the answer to that question is what bothers me about enature's set up.

For all who are interested.....I would like to make available a DVD of myself playing one-man naked world cup soccer. I'll have a groovy MIDI sound track and an occasional flip turn screen using the latest in 80's video technology. I will make my videos available for a mere $60 each. It's the least I can do to further the nudist cause. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/bonk.gif

Bryan In The Nude

06-25-2006, 11:12 PM

I like your point, Doc...

The setup of the videos needs to change... The worst part is that it won't because that is how the world is run: money. Alot of these "companies" are targeting both nudists and perverts...They have the carefree, fun, family environment, ect., but show mainly the part of it that sells: Young, attractive women...

Its not much unlike food companies switching to "fat free" (even though it is calories, not fat that gets you fat): because fat free products sell, if they didn't switch, they would lose...

I don't think that nudism being misrepresented is the whole problem, its commercial/consumerism... The reasonimg/content doesn't have to be correct, as long as it sells!

ricky bobby

06-26-2006, 04:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fresh Air:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">FreshAir, you have a valid point. I kind of figured that selling "products" on nudism was to able to help us fund the naturist industry. It's fair to say that nudism/naturism is a money making industry whether you agree or not. Nude cruises, nude resorts, helping to keep nude beaches clean and safe, all cost money.

I don't have a problem shelling out money to help a cause that I think is positive and promotes body acceptance.

-Fred </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't see how pictures or videos help fund nudism. Joining a national nudist organization like AANR is how to help fund nudism. Going to resorts, cruises, etc. help fund the peripheral industries.

The only people being funded by pictures and videos are websites and companies selling the videos.

I also doubt that most of the people buying the nudist videos are buying them for the "right" reasons.

It kind of saddens me. I see that segment of nudism as a prostitution of something pure. (I don't consider it part of the nudist cause or nudist industry when it is not associated with a nudist oganization). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree with Fresh Air. WHY do true Nudist/Naturist need to see naked photos???? Where is the money going?? These videos are marketed towards a very shady groups of non-nudist.

Jake92

06-30-2006, 10:11 AM

The thing is tj that your worrying. A few points not to worry is :
.There are around 6billion human beings on Earth and it is near impossible to stalk some one you have no proper info on except maybe a picture and a country.
.Secondly even if you do see one of the people you wouldn't notice them in there clothes.
. Thirdly not many people would bother spending the time and money to do such an expadition.
And if your worried about perferts looking, no ones going to know or care. All the young people are doing is showing there bodies. The point of clothes in the first place was to keep humans warm. So after that, don't worry. Yet i don't like how they seem to be selling and making money like it is pornography. I belive it should be only covering the costs of the making of the vedio which should only rich per film at min £4 each(only to cover costs of making it)

From
Jake.

Im 14 by the way.

Jake92

06-30-2006, 10:30 AM

Eric i agree with what u say but i wouldn't use the word puritan. A babied society yes but not Puritan. This can cause offense, and does a bit to me, as Puritans are big piece of british history.(Check out the British Civil War and Charles the first, Puritans took a big part) Puritans are people who take the Christian ways seriuosly and are a different church but they are not around any more unless someone wishes to start them up again. What you say isn't right by using Puritan as Puritan is extreme.
I bet you still have nudist beaches etc.

From Jake

BlueBoy

06-30-2006, 11:45 AM

I think that everyone on here should feel as DoctorSurferDude does about the enature videos. I don't know the motives behind the production of these or what is behind the desire to purchase them. It makes me queezy when the focus of the videos seems to be on the kids and girls... if they were more representative of the different ages and sexes maybe I would feel like they have a more wholesome feel to the motives behind them. Anyway I will get off my soapbox now.

Jake92

06-30-2006, 11:52 AM

Blueboy i agree with you. I noticed that there are alot of women/girls/younger people shown. Yet this is false about the naturist community.
We except all shapes,sizes,genders and of all ages. I don't believe they have the promoting of nudism in mind and are taking advantage nudism.(opinion only).

From
Jake

Bryan In The Nude

06-30-2006, 01:12 PM

That is an opinion that I agree with.

Someone needs to make a naturist video, not an atractive teen girls/Little kids video...Then release it for free... then more people may be willing to get it, even the pervs. Then at that point the pervs may learn what naturism is really about (I'd hope). A British documentary "Diary of a Teenage Nudist" was similar to that...It was about an older teen girl who was brought up as a nudist, but became self-concious (she didn't like how she looked) and this is her story about finding other teens who are getting into nudism. She also visits a resort that helps her to rediscover nudism. It also does a lot of discussion on several topics, including naturist videos.

We need more of that.

Swimguy

06-30-2006, 01:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DoctorSurferDude:
For all who are interested.....I would like to make available a DVD of myself playing one-man naked world cup soccer. I'll have a groovy MIDI sound track and an occasional flip turn screen using the latest in 80's video technology. I will make my videos available for a mere $60 each. It's the least I can do to further the nudist cause. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/bonk.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that on VHS or Beta? :P

Eric6420

06-30-2006, 06:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jake92:
Eric i agree with what u say but i wouldn't use the word puritan. A babied society yes but not Puritan. This can cause offense, and does a bit to me, as Puritans are big piece of british history.(Check out the British Civil War and Charles the first, Puritans took a big part) Puritans are people who take the Christian ways seriuosly and are a different church but they are not around any more unless someone wishes to start them up again. What you say isn't right by using Puritan as Puritan is extreme.
I bet you still have nudist beaches etc.

From Jake </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, if you look the second definition of the word puritan in Webster's New World Dictionary, it says: puritan: a person regarded as excessively strict in morals and religion.