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Naked in the UK
12-20-2006, 10:15 AM
If you met your partner not through the naturist scene, when you told them you enjoyed naturism what was their reaction? Were they stunned and dump you? Or were they understanding? Or better still, did you persuade them to join you as a naturist?

I wouldn't really say I was a full time naturist. I just enjoy going nude in saunas(ones at UK music festivals or spas/saunas over in Germany for example)
, and going on nude beaches in Europe during a holiday.

Naked in the UK
12-20-2006, 10:15 AM
If you met your partner not through the naturist scene, when you told them you enjoyed naturism what was their reaction? Were they stunned and dump you? Or were they understanding? Or better still, did you persuade them to join you as a naturist?

I wouldn't really say I was a full time naturist. I just enjoy going nude in saunas(ones at UK music festivals or spas/saunas over in Germany for example)
, and going on nude beaches in Europe during a holiday.

Pete Knight
12-20-2006, 11:44 AM
My last girlfriend (Linda) not that I'm mentioning any names, was absolutely aghast when I told her. We were together for about six months befoe she told me (During an intimate moment!) that she couldn't cope with other women seeing me naked.

It wasn't long after that our reltionship started to fall apart, oh well it was nice while it lasted.

Pete Knight

Natureisone
12-20-2006, 12:10 PM
My wife was fine when i told her and very interested in joining me.we was not married then,took her a few months to get the idea into her head its just the norm, but in the end she hasnt looked back and since that time we have bought our daughter up as a nudist since birth,she is 14yrs old now and still loves it. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

K and C
12-20-2006, 12:17 PM
Wife thought it was funny at first. Then she thought resorts were some place people went just to "gawk" at nude people. Then for our 5th anniversary We went to Paradise Lakes. We only had reservations for 3 days and then we were going to head to the beach. She packed 3 suitcases to our room at Paradise. First hour she was topless end of first day completely Nude. At the end of the third day she didnt want to put her clothes back on. We tried to keep our room for 3 more nights but they were booked. Basically once we got to the textile hotel We were bummed for the rest of the trip. We have been nudist every since and have even taken 3 different cpls to a resort here in Indiana. For their first experience now there are 9 of us who on Memorial day Weekend no matter where we are meet up and go to a resort here.

NAKEDMAN5
12-20-2006, 12:32 PM
I didn't really tell her I just spend a great deal of my time in the nude, she just looks funny at me. She won't think of visiting a nudist resort, I went by my self once which I thought was wonderful. I loved pracing around the resort, going nude in the pool and hot tub, even playing tennis in the nude was fabulous, it felt so much better in the nude. My wife won't go, I wish she would change her mind because I know once she tried it she would love it to.

luvnaturism
12-20-2006, 01:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NAKEDMAN5:
I loved pracing around the resort.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with Nakedmans. The daily prancing is the best part of being at a resort. Usually we prance morning and afternoon. Not so often at night, but the occasional moonlight prance can be a lot of fun.

Al Bundy
12-20-2006, 01:35 PM
My wife knew of my interest in nudism prior to our marriage. In fact, I wanted to go to a nude beach on our honeymoon but it did not work out. She tolerates my nudity and does not have a problem with me attending resorts, beaches etc. as long as she does not have to go. She did accompany me to San Onofre but she was not aware it was a nude beach until she saw naked bodies. She was ok with it but would never consider being nude in the presence of another person. No hope in changing her mind. I will be the Lone Nude Ranger for the remainder of my days.

BlobbyBob
12-20-2006, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvnaturism:

I agree with Nakedmans. The daily prancing is the best part of being at a resort. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I disagree, I think frolicking can be more enjoyable, or perhaps even a bit of a gambol http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/tongue.gif

kphoger
12-20-2006, 01:42 PM
she wasn't yet my wife, just my fiancée, when i got into it. she knew i slept nude, and liked the feeling of being nude, but that's it. one day, i decided to go "buff bowling" in a nearby suburb. she told me later she thought i had turned gay. i explained that part of the interest was to try and overcome some hangups with pornography and lust, and she appreciated that, but still thought i had turned gay.

now i'm nude almost all the time at home, and she doesn't mind. she doesn't often join me (except to sleep), but she accepts it as normal for me. one of these days she'll come over to "our side." i keep hoping.

JohnE44
12-20-2006, 04:11 PM
when I sat my wife down and told her that I wanted to go around the house nude when could she looked at me odd , but said it was ok with her . the first few times i went nude she would not look directly at me when we talked but now its like its normal even sometimes she forgets that I am nude. she even has spent one or two nights in the summer topless watching tv together.

emsdude
12-20-2006, 04:31 PM
My wife was a little up in the air about at frist saying it was my thing, then she has been nude around the house from time too time.More topless then anything I keep telling her she looks great nude, and I thing so very much.I get up nude and think I have to put something on she says it ok. So they may dicker at frist but they come around it matter of time, think after they see how you like it.

Liam
12-20-2006, 04:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvnaturism:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NAKEDMAN5:
I loved pracing around the resort.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with Nakedmans. The daily prancing is the best part of being at a resort. Usually we prance morning and afternoon. Not so often at night, but the occasional moonlight prance can be a lot of fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

Nudony
12-20-2006, 06:25 PM
My wife was intrigued when I first talked to her about nudism (while we were still dating.) Her Mom and herself would occasionally walk around nude after showering and leave doors open when changing while she was growing up; so she was not unfamiliar with social nudity. When she moved in I was frequently nude around her; and she naturally and easily joined in.

nudeM
12-20-2006, 06:35 PM
My wife thought I 'lost it' when I just dropped my shorts in the living room one day. I guess I sent the message too harshly, but she still thought I lost it.

Over time, she has become accepting of it, within reason (kids). She even joins me when the house is empty, at times. She even skinny dipped several times, when the kids were gone.

Now, with a full house (Mother in Law, 2 Sons {18/23} and Grandson {8}), the chances are almost null that she will join me. We got rid of the pool, due to the remodel, so not much chance for skinny dipping. The new extension is large enough I can remain nude and be able to step outside at times.

Oh well, maybe one day we can be by ourselves, but not in the near future. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif

NudstRalph
12-20-2006, 06:39 PM
I just came into a new relationship and I told her from day one. She didn't have any problems with it now she joins me all the time. We are nude at home and when we are not together she is nude at home. That was one of my things when I was looking. I did have profiles at some dating services online and told them I was a nudist from start. It is great to have a partner that likes to join in as being a nudist / naturist.

Swimguy
12-20-2006, 07:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvnaturism:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NAKEDMAN5:
I loved pracing around the resort.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with Nakedmans. The daily prancing is the best part of being at a resort. Usually we prance morning and afternoon. Not so often at night, but the occasional moonlight prance can be a lot of fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was the best laugh I have had in a while. Thanks.

nacktman
12-20-2006, 07:58 PM
"Hot, Dam n!" If I remember her exact words correctly. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/yes.gif

Bob In The Buff
12-20-2006, 08:35 PM
My wife didn't believe me and thought that I was nuts!

I visited Paradise Lakes by myself during a business trip a few years ago for my first time nude experience. I called my wife later that night and explained that I have visited a clothing optional resort. She thought I was just making up a story. I had described how wonderful it was to be naked with other people and how much fun I had that day. Since my business trip, I couldn't stop talking about it and she said she may consider trying it. Three months later, my wife and I join Mountain Air Ranch. During our first visit, she got out of the car and was naked before I had a chance to take off my shirt. We had a wonderful time that day meeting alot of nice people. We have been active nudists since then.

nakedjohn
12-20-2006, 11:54 PM
At the time, we were still dating. I told my wife we were going to a nudist beach, she agreed right away. From then, over 25 years ago, we have never visited a textile beach or resort.

foux003
12-21-2006, 01:53 AM
I took my future wife to Moonstone Beach . Within 15 mins. she was naked and enjoyed it, she loved it. We even spent our honeymoon at a nudists camp in the Poconos in Pa. We were always naked around the house and yard. On Sundays in the summer we would go to Moonstone one week and Dyer Woods the next. When the kids came along we went as a family and we raised 5 kids as nudists.

tinner666
12-21-2006, 02:24 AM
http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif Lou knew when we started dating. She's still more comfortable with something on at home. Took me 9 years to get her to a resort. She stays nude there. I think she just hates dressing if somebody comes to the door at home. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

NudistGuy47
12-21-2006, 04:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlobbyBob:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvnaturism:

I agree with Nakedmans. The daily prancing is the best part of being at a resort. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I disagree, I think frolicking can be more enjoyable, or perhaps even a bit of a gambol http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am with BB! Frolicking is much better in the buff, but is not a gamble when I gambol! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

nudepartime
12-21-2006, 05:13 AM
I have slept in the nude for 40 years so my wife new that when we were dating. That went on without much changing for over 20 years,an occasional skinny dip or hot tub session, but not much more. The wife was very reluctant to try nude anything but with the purchase of a boat we have been enjoying the sun minus our suits, been to Haulover Beach, a nude resort and are going to Grand Lido Negril in Jamaica in January.I vote fo frlocking!

Geo
12-21-2006, 02:23 PM
Years ago after we dated for a while after that first time getting naked together, we would do so when the opportunity was there. When we got married, I would just come home from work and strip, sometimes she would but not as often. To this day she won't be seen naked by anyone but me, but has no problems with me being naked any time I want. Athough I like social nudity, as long as we get naked together and nothing is said about my nudity, then I will be another nude lone ranger. I think there are quite a few of us guys in that role.

garbo
12-21-2006, 02:56 PM
My wife's reaction to my interest in nudism was as expected.. she didn't care as long as I kept it to myself, did not interfere with weekend family time, did not embarass myself in front of friends, family or neighbors and did not involve her. It was only after I asked her to join me at the local nudist resort a couple of years ago that it hit the fan!

oldbob
12-21-2006, 06:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlobbyBob:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvnaturism:

I agree with Nakedmans. The daily prancing is the best part of being at a resort. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I disagree, I think frolicking can be more enjoyable, or perhaps even a bit of a gambol http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, that's all fun but nothing beats cavorting.

When I told my wife before we were married that I was a nudist, she laughed. She didn't thing there really were such things as nudist clubs. I assured her that they do exist and that I was a member of one. She visited it with me the first warm weekend and took to it right away.

Bob

PamC
12-21-2006, 07:03 PM
I don't have a partner so I don't have a reaction to share. I suspect most would not have a problem with it.

johny
12-22-2006, 04:55 AM
My mum never told it to me, but certain witness told me she had said "why strange he needs a naked women to look on if he allready have a nice wife". Just it means she is very far from understanding the motivation of naturists, but she is too clever to start a quarrel.

My wife has other argument - she is overconcerned about her weight so "what if they all other will see how awful I am" (however at reality she has very minor weight problem and has very nice shape).

Each people has own stoppers indeed. But most of them are really non smart.

Had been said that the sum of smartness over the World is constant figure, but number of people multiplies, multiplies and multiplies....

hikingman
12-22-2006, 07:57 AM
Not good at all very shocked and up set,Big time .She left and no longer lives with me .Ron

shaneone
12-22-2006, 08:55 AM
My now wife was not too upset at the idea. i told her while we were on vacation on Gran Canaria, and added that I wanted to go to the nude beach. She was OK with it as she knew nobody else there and was nude for the rest of the week. She now occasionally joins me in nudist activities and will visit a nudist resort in the spring

Ren
12-22-2006, 01:00 PM
My girlfriend sorta knew ahead of time about it and has been very cool with it --- likely was so inclined before we met. So, clothing informality is already part of our life when we hang out. I think if someone loves you, they'll at least be understanding about you being true to yourself. I've just happened to get lucky right off the bat.

rone
12-22-2006, 03:32 PM
My wife was kinda' speechless. She deals with it, but sometimes it's like she is just taking the kids to the beach again. She won't participate. My son had the most healthy attitude when I told him I enjoyed nudism. He laughed. I wish more people had that reaction. My daughter ignores it. She walked in on me years ago when I was nude -- never said a word. More receintly, she walked in with my two grandchildren. I was asleep in front of the TV on the couch, nude. I know they must have see me, but never a word was spoken. I noticed today that she now calls on the cell phone few minutes before showing up at our house. I guess that says something about her attitude towards my lifestyle at home.

P.J.
12-22-2006, 03:49 PM
My wife didn't really seem to care. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/zzz.gif

However, when I returned from a trip to WNY, where I played some band gigs with a couple of old friends, I told her that I went to a nudist resort. She was surprised, after she realized that I wasn't joking. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gif

She knows that I wasn't cheating on her, so my trip to Lilly Valley was not a serious issue. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

Seeing an ex-girlfriend at one gig was another matter http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gif even though we were not at all interested in establishing any clandestine relationship.

JonR
12-22-2006, 04:47 PM
I was very lucky. My now girlfriend was searching the internet for a singing group that we both belong to and found my website in which I list my interests and say "Luckily there's no space left to tell you about my other interests...." with a hyperlink to the BN website. It was almost the first thing she found out about me, and she's taken to it like a duck to water http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

Jon. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cool4.gif

smoothmike
12-28-2006, 06:45 AM
My girlfriends reply.....
Ok http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/yes.gif

bonnie dundee
12-28-2006, 09:26 AM
my wife has no problem with it, as long i wait till there is nobody else in the house and the blinds are shut,and she is not interested in joing me,

"love life as your a long time dead"

stomper69
12-29-2006, 01:59 AM
My wife thought I was nuts and wants no part of it.She doesn't mind that I go to resorts and tells me to "have fun with your nude freinds."I think that maybe after our son moves out of the house(he's 16)She might actually join me.There's always hope!

fre2bnude
12-31-2006, 11:43 PM
We've been married a long time but it's only in recent years that I've come right out with my passion for nudism, though my wife did know for a long time of my liking for not wearing clothes.
She has totally accepted my nudism but will not join me which is a real shame as it makes me feel a loner. She has too many hang-ups about her body image and I think at our age it's too late to change. I know that I'd enjoy it a lot more if she would join in.

oldbutgood
01-01-2007, 09:12 AM
Earlier she didn't know because I didn't know, although earlier behavior predicted my love of nudism. Now she knows and tolerates my nudism at home and at selected beaches. We both sleep nude, so being clothesfree is not the issue. One day she'll figure it out.

NudeAl
01-01-2007, 09:30 AM
My wife was angry, hurt, etc. Something like I expect her reaction would have been if I had told her I was having an affair. She has since learned otherwise but she has her own self image issues regarding her body and she was in a bad relationship prior to us marrying so I suspect some of this reaction is because of her own insecurities. I have also contributed by not being compassionate enough and a bit pig headed in doing prety much what I wanted with out showing her very much compassion.

It is still very much a struggle to get my wife to go with to a resort, the last time she went was over a year ago. Now with me moving her away from her beloved California to far away Washington state I think the chances are just about zero of her going to another resort in the spring. On the plus side we have our own home now on an acre of land out in the woods and next spring if all goes well I will begin building a deck and a privacy fence to screen the one neighbor who has a view of the backyard.

FireProf
01-01-2007, 11:07 AM
Because we were very young when we married (20 y.o.) we really found out about naturism/nudism together. When I was in the Navy, a fellow shipmate and I began talking about being nude. He related that he was a nudist and came from a nudist family in Colorado.

I told my wife about it but only after I left the Navy did we begin using the words nudist. We referred to ourselves as "home nudists" early on but didn't venture into the social scene until about 7 years ago.

So.....my wife's/partner's reaction to nudism was really...no reaction at all, she just kinda slid right into it.

As for social nudism, she was a bit hesitant at first but once we made a few trips to the beach at San Onofre, she began to love not having to worry about wearing a bathing suit. She now only owns two for pool parties with textile friends and when we vacation with our daugthers and grandchildren at hotels.

luvnaturism
01-01-2007, 12:02 PM
We didn't venture into social naturism until we were in our late 50s. There was a lot in my background that prepared me to be open to the adventure (nude swimming in PE, etc.), but she had an extremely repressive upbringing.

We were both comfortable being nude in the privacy of our home, and swimming nude in our private yard was natural for us. However it was pretty threatening for her when I began to say that it would be fun to check out a clothing optional resort. I just stayed calm and low-key, but persistent in saying that it was something that I'd like us to try. When she offered that I could go alone I refused, saying I thought it was something we should do together or not at all.

We took a couple of baby steps by visiting a c/o beach, where I went nude while she kept her suit on. At least it let her observe that nothing was happening that wouldn't be seen at any other public beach.

Our first joint try at a resort was at Couples in Ocho Rios, where we visited the private island. I loved it immediately, but it was stressful for her. It took another try or two before she relaxed, and began to enjoy it also. Now we get four to six naturist experiences a year. Our next will be at Little Beach in about a month.

The key for us has been to move slowly, always staying supportive of her needs. I've been very, very careful not to get her into a situation that was unpleasant or threatening. For her part she has been willing to accept some discomfort in order to support me in what I like to do, so it's been a two-way street.

Rebecca
01-01-2007, 12:08 PM
My boyfriend took the news very well and didnt complane once and for a bit actualy joined the forum but unfortunatelly i broke up with him just under a year ago (he was a really nice guy http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif ).

Zerokini
01-01-2007, 03:23 PM
My situation seems to be the exactly reverse of most of the replies here. My fiance and I had our second or third date at a clothes-free beach in California, and had a great time. She would have qualified as a centerfold model in those days. We did visit some isolated beaches in West Australia when we were there, and sunbathed and photographed in the back yard, and since our return to the States, when we had a swimming pool I would often find her naked in the pool, reading a hysterical novel, on a hot day when I came home from work. Over the years it has tapered off though as she found success in the business world, and it is now zilch since we are living with her 78-year-old mother who thinks nudity in the presence of another is just short of a hanging offense.

I know for a fact that if we spent any time among people who were nude a lot that she would feel comfortable joining in, and if we ever buy the small sailboat we want she will be comfortable with being nude in out of the way coves, and so forth, but right now I can't even discuss social nudity or outdoors nudity with her without feeling like I am treading on very thin ice. She is very much influenced by her situation in the here and now, and seems to have the attitude "Been there, done that; not interested." I think she feels she has too much invested in her corporate image now to risk it, not to mention a poor self image since her tummy is now bigger than she likes. She had lots of fun years ago being a Gallery magazine Girl Next Door, and got lots of nice compliments from guys and gals she worked with, but today if I asked her she would say she wished she hadn't done it. (Sigh.) Maybe if we can buy that sloop we want ...

walter05
01-09-2007, 01:54 PM
Zerokini;

I know it would be a major challenge if my mother in law moved in.

I sense some real boundary issues here. Regardless of one's views on nudity, if you want to be nude in your own home, you should be able to.

I think it is reasonable to accommodate your mother in law out of respect. At the same time, I think your lifestyle in your home must be accommodated or resentment will build up.

Perhaps a talk with you your wife privately would help. Maybe talking with a clergyman could help. Please address this before it undermines your marriage.

Dick Springer
01-09-2007, 02:34 PM
We met at a clothing-optional event.

Zerokini
01-09-2007, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by walter05:
Zerokini;

I know it would be a major challenge if my mother in law moved in.

I sense some real boundary issues here. Regardless of one's views on nudity, if you want to be nude in your own home, you should be able to.

I think it is reasonable to accommodate your mother in law out of respect. At the same time, I think your lifestyle in your home must be accommodated or resentment will build up.

Perhaps a talk with you your wife privately would help. Maybe talking with a clergyman could help. Please address this before it undermines your marriage. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif It's not "(my) own home." It's hers. I think her lifestyle in her own home must be accommodated, or resentment will build up. Considering the fact that we aren't required to pay rent, are only asked to contribute to the cost of utilities, etc., I think I can handle a fair amount of clothed time without building up too much resentment.

Besides, I don't care. My wife and I are getting into sailing, and the mother-in-law is expressly not invited, at least most of the time. There are a lot of hidden coves on the lakes around here.

walter05
01-10-2007, 06:09 AM
Zerokini;

If it is your mother in law's home, I understand your view.

johnbare
01-13-2007, 12:35 AM
I have never told my wife outright that I am into nudism. I felt that it was highly unlikely that she would be happy about it. Therefore I have simply adopted a "creeping" approach and have been gradually spending more time naked around the house over the past 12 months or so. I have always slept in the nude since I was a teenager so that was the starting point. She has come to accept my being nude at certain times of the day, such as at breakfast, and late in the evening.

There is a little way to go in terms in terms of spending as much time naked when I at home as is practical, and I want to be honest with my wife about my occasional visits to naturist beaches, however I am sure that this slow approach has been the best way for me to progress things.

Vin
01-13-2007, 09:57 AM
I think my wife is pretty cool with it. She knew when we were dating that I was interested in naturism. She's not interested in joining (yet), but doesn't mind if I go camping or hiking without her. She's okay with nudity around the house. Never tried a resort, but I don't think that would get very far.... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

Someday maybe she'll come around, but I'm not going to push the issue.

barebum
02-09-2007, 03:01 PM
My partner not into naturism but happy for me to get naked which works well for me lol!

new1
02-09-2007, 03:24 PM
the wife is okay with me sleeping nude which i do all the time she is okay with me being nude around the house somtimes she doesnt like me going to the beach as she thinks everyone is there to perve but she is slowly coming around

Lake Cruiser
02-13-2007, 08:42 AM
We have a pool at home that I spend alot of time nude. Wife was ok with it at first and would even go skinnying with me sometimes but she is backing away over the last couple of years. We have a boat on a lake that we spend entire weekends anchored off in coves. When the anchor drops, so do my clothes but not hers. She will go nude in the cabin and sleep in the nude but not on deck. A couple of years ago she would get on a float in the lake. A couple of years ago she spent about a day nude around the house but not anymore. Maybe after our son leaves the nest things will improve http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif