WHERE ARE THE FEMALES

[OZJames]

I have been reading the "posts" for some weeks now and have been dissapointed at the excessive amount of matcho comment. It seems that ALMOST ALL posts are by men. It seems to me that the INA forum is a mens club forum. Most display names are male and a quick scan of the members profiles with non gender specific display names does not reveal many/if any women.

Men love women, for every reason including their opinions. We need to encourage our women, not only enjoy nudity with us, but to air their minds on the INA Forum. It becomes somewhat boring reading mens comments and questions answered only by men, commonly about mens issues. We need subjects that interest women and comments by the "fairer/gentler sex themselves.

Lets start some healthy debate between the sexes. "Viva la difference" (scuse the spelling !)

[OZJames]

I have been reading the "posts" for some weeks now and have been dissapointed at the excessive amount of matcho comment. It seems that ALMOST ALL posts are by men. It seems to me that the INA forum is a mens club forum. Most display names are male and a quick scan of the members profiles with non gender specific display names does not reveal many/if any women.

Men love women, for every reason including their opinions. We need to encourage our women, not only enjoy nudity with us, but to air their minds on the INA Forum. It becomes somewhat boring reading mens comments and questions answered only by men, commonly about mens issues. We need subjects that interest women and comments by the "fairer/gentler sex themselves.

Lets start some healthy debate between the sexes. "Viva la difference" (scuse the spelling !)

You must be rather new to all this or you'd know a couple of things.

1. There are lots more men nudists than women nudists.
2.There are about twice as many men online as there are women.

These truths show up as lop-sided attendance figures on messageboards and nudist websites. Do you happen to have a solution?

Coming up with topics that are pro-women would help just a small bit because there just aren't enough women actually reading nudist websites(because of reasons 1 and 2).

[OZJames]

Yes I am new to this and of course I have noticed the imbalance. I also notice that there are a greater number of men at the clothes optional beaches that my wife and I go to. I have never been to a resort so I don't know how the numbers pan out at resorts. Last weeks cartoon perhaps answers that.


No, I do not have a solution but I could come up with a few sugestions but firstly I suggest that we try and list the reasons why women are not particpating and try and consider how to work around each reason:-

Perhaps ????
- too busy
- not so interested in nudity , why ?
- shy
- Forum subject matter not interesting
- feel overwhelmed by the dominance of male opinion
- Is nudity driven by men's sexual interest therefore men are the instigators of clothes free situations ? LETS HEAR FROM THE WOMEN WHO STARTED THE CLOTHES FREE ACTIVITIES WITH THEIR PARTNER. My wife started skinny dipping in our pool before I became a nudist.

Any more - its up to you lot - I am new at this


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[NakedGary]

Cyndiann,

I have not seen many topics that are "anti-women" on this fourm ever.

Stating twice as many men online is reason not enough women read nudist websites does not equate or make since to me.

There has always been more male nudist than female, and more males online than female

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NakedGary:

I have not seen many topics that are "anti-women" on this fourm ever.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think Cyndiann said that more "pro-woman" topics might attract more women participants. That does not imply that all, or any, other existing topics are "anti-woman".

Another thing to keep in mind is that some of the "men" who post online are women. Unfortunately women may often attract too much 'personal' attention on the internet and find it a better situation all around to assume a male persona. Many other women read but do not post.

I used to be on AOL staff, one of the exercises many of us guys went through was to assume a female screen name while visiting chat rooms and boards. It was a very eye opening experience. My nieces are not allowed to use feminine screen names.

Not that I'm saying that the people on these boards act as poorly as some of the snerts from the old days on AOL. But I do know that a couple of young ladies who posted here no longer do (at least under their 'girl' screen names) because of what they felt was inappropriate personal interest.

So the over 90% male presence here may actually only be 80%. Maybe. In any case it isn't surprising that Online nudist sites seem so overwhelmingly male. Not much to do about it except make sure this site is female friendly and not obsess about online gender balance.

-Mark

[NakedGary]

OZJames, cyndiann, & Fourm

If your observations and statements about more men online & more men nudists equals reason why not enought women read nudist websites; Can I ask why more than a few so called Nudist web or nudist picture post sites show nothing but voluptuous females exclusively?

In being a nudist for +25 years, I have never seen whats shown on thoes sites as a true, factual, view or example of nudist resorts, clubs, beaches, or family nude recreation, that's why INA clothesfree.com is my preference in setting the true example in visual, vocal, debate, or fourm of what a true nudist or naturist envoirnment is. So be it, if there is more male or single male nudist at resorts, beachs, or online. Some of the reluctance by women has to do with unlike men, they wait to be asked or accompany others, or hold back, unlike men who just go out and do their thing.

NakedGary

[Sundance36]

Well have you ever noticed when a woman Joins a chat,
It's as the whole room gives them too much attention. I usually just say hi. And that is all because I feel sorry for them as they are like attacked. I can only Imagine what their P.M. messages are. Chat rooms and forems are not Pickup places.

[johny]

Women simply are grazing in another meadows, as w.nudist-resort.org/forum or subsections of w.network54.com/forum/ for example 163569 or 250399, 100523, 249555, 80980, 215158, 144857, 22320, 143567, 50121, 22852, 83405, 157869. While men mostly in 143108, 55323. And at h:/groups.Yahoo.com/ for example

bodyfreedom3
Christian-nudist
ClothesFreeChild
familynudistnetwor...
freeballing
freeballing4health...
youngadultnudists
etc.

[NakedGary]

johny

I take issue of posting non complete or non nudist links in the fourms on INA/clothesfree.com
The one with .org results in some German dating site, or with .com results in one of thoes non nudist porno sites which is not suitable in this fourm or web site.

Please refrain from refering or posting unsuitable, uncomplete, or links which direct ones to sex sites, or non genuine nudist sites in this fourm or on INA websites in the future.

NakedGary

[OZJames]

Comments seem to indicate that people are resigned to the fact that there are more men involved in this forum and that we (men and women) cannot do anything about it. I do not agree with that, I am sure something could be done.

Sundance36 has made a good point, if any women join in we should take that occasion to encourage them not attack.

Naked Gary says that the women "wait to be asked" - so lets ask them

I am sorry there has not been at least one response from a woman (at least that we know of) - we need to know what they think

JAMES

[NudeAl]

No women posting a reply???

Uh, I think I saw cyndiann post here a few times and uh, well you'd have to ask her but I'm pretty sure she's a girl?


Others have summed it up quiet well. Women have different interests than men, some of that being they would rather do other things than surf the net. Especially the nudist web sites. This seems to be something we are just programed for. Men love to read about and discuss nudism. We are really into it and would really like women to be into it as well. But they have other priorities. I am not sure what they are as I am still trying to understand my own wife.

Women seem to require a more personel form of communication. My own wife always wants to talk, go figure. My suggestion of just emailing each other had me sleeping on the couch for a week!!! By the way the phrase "We need to talk," actually means, I need to talk and you need to sit there and listen. Anyway, I think that women are so much better adapted to other signals i.e. body language, the tone of someones voice, eye movement, etc. That they just prefer a medium that better suits that. Also, lets face it, we can be rather boring always rehashing the same old stuff. It is very true that the few women who do show up here get overwhelmed with attention polite or otherwise. I know of many occaisions when a female or one posing as a female has posted here instantly getting the attention of every male on the board.

I would say we should just treat them the same way we would one of the guys but from all my experiences I know this is impossible. Perhaps we should just try treating them like we would want others to treat our mothers, wives, and daugthers. I feel we really can't do much more than that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OZJames:
Yes I am new to this and of course I have noticed the imbalance. I also notice that there are a greater number of men at the clothes optional beaches that my wife and I go to. I have never been to a resort so I don't know how the numbers pan out at resorts. Last weeks cartoon perhaps answers that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually it doesn't represent what you will find at a resort at all. Hopefully it doesn't happen like that at many beaches either but I've always noticed a lot higher male to female ratio at beaches than at the clubs. Just having a lopsided ratio does not mean the men act like that cartoon either. I spent 10 years going to Playalinda and had a few creeps approach me but never anything like what the cartoon shows. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>


No, I do not have a solution but I could come up with a few sugestions but firstly I suggest that we try and list the reasons why women are not particpating and try and consider how to work around each reason:-

Perhaps ????
- too busy
- not so interested in nudity , why ?
- shy
- Forum subject matter not interesting
- feel overwhelmed by the dominance of male opinion
- Is nudity driven by men's sexual interest therefore men are the instigators of clothes free situations ? LETS HEAR FROM THE WOMEN WHO STARTED THE CLOTHES FREE ACTIVITIES WITH THEIR PARTNER. My wife started skinny dipping in our pool before I became a nudist.

Any more - its up to you lot - I am new at this


- <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I didn't start it with a partner so does that mean I shouldn't post to this? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Seriously, the great majority of women get into nudism because a male partner presented it to them to begin with. My feeling is that perhaps women should pull other women into it for a change.

I do know some men that started out as beach gawkers and realized that things were better as nudists but I really feel that most got into by doing the research first and then looking for ways to enjoy this lifestyle and that there was no sexual interest to begin with.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naturistmark1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NakedGary:

I have not seen many topics that are "anti-women" on this fourm ever.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think Cyndiann said that more "pro-woman" topics might attract more women participants. That does not imply that all, or any, other existing topics are "anti-woman".

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks Mark for making that point clear. I really don't see much that is anti-women on here but I do see aggressive posts that might make them decide not to get into some threads to begin with. I'm just as aggressive in most cases. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[johny]

RE:
Gary: """"Please refrain from refering or posting links which direct ones to sex sites""""

Okay, but I am sure the most URL I gave are at least closely linked to different naturism ideology underbranches and actually noone is the sex site.

About w.nudist-resorts.org that is clearer as clear are not a sex site, and many of this forum users I have been met there too, or particularly, one woman I met here had been little time ago dismissed from their site. Even they pretend to be superior as this site what I had couple of times admonished them arent true. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Abour other sites, they heavely depend on the matter how eagerly work their moderators, and be sure that christian-nudist, family nudist etc sites are really good watched. However some of them (freeballers etc) time by time falls in the sin, however the general spirit is still quite innocent.

If You find really something was not good, okay, I collected those sites from my footnotes after searching some longer time ago, so there may happen few mistakes, because I didnt re-checked them right before posting. That is my fault, undoubtly, if any. /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

But IMHO it was pretty good explanation that exists a lot of places where are a lot of women. And therefore they are not coming here. For see, each forum needs to have a sort of "critical mass" to become interesting. If madames see here is no enough own gender partners to conversate, they become looking for the sites where are. And nudist-resorts have a lot of femmes. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

That is not the INA fault, nor Your fault, but simply such it is, somehow. And only we ourself can make by own is to make our environment HERE more attractive to ladies. I personally feel this is most attractive forum on the world. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[johny]

P.S to Gary:
Let me know the wrong URL-s and I from this side have ability to edit my posts. So I willing to erase those wrong. My p/b is johny_59lv@yahoo.com

[greensunshine]

Hey I am a female too...and if something catches my interest, as it does from time to time, I do respond with my thoughts, like now.

Greensunshine in the Pacific NW /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NakedGary:
johny

I take issue of posting non complete or non nudist links in the fourms on INA/clothesfree.com
The one with .org results in some German dating site, or with .com results in one of thoes non nudist porno sites which is not suitable in this fourm or web site.

Please refrain from refering or posting unsuitable, uncomplete, or links which direct ones to sex sites, or non genuine nudist sites in this fourm or on INA websites in the future.

NakedGary <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Then you got it wrong. It is a "legit" nudist website although a misguided and very prudish one. He didn't post anything that wasn't a nudist site that I can see. He just didn't write the URL down very well. I did have the link posted but quite frankly I find that website offensive so anyone wanting the correct URL can reach me privately.

That website is an excellent example of fairytales given to new nudists and how a site will remove truthful posts while supporting prudish opinions even as they unfairly flame the more open minded thinkers there.

Quite frankly I'd hold an honest porn site in higher regards than a nudist site that lies and resorts to unfair manipulation of posts and opinions.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NakedGary:
OZJames, cyndiann, & Fourm

If your observations and statements about more men online & more men nudists equals reason why not enought women read nudist websites; Can I ask why more than a few so called Nudist web or nudist picture post sites show nothing but voluptuous females exclusively? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Because those are pornsites that want to look like nudist sites. It isn't honest but isn't against the law either. Anybody can say they are a nudist site. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

In being a nudist for +25 years, I have never seen whats shown on thoes sites as a true, factual, view or example of nudist resorts, clubs, beaches, or family nude recreation, that's why INA clothesfree.com is my preference in setting the true example in visual, vocal, debate, or fourm of what a true nudist or naturist envoirnment is. So be it, if there is more male or single male nudist at resorts, beachs, or online. Some of the reluctance by women has to do with unlike men, they wait to be asked or accompany others, or hold back, unlike men who just go out and do their thing.

NakedGary <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Do you doubt that there are more men at nudist venues and online? Those statements can be backed up with figures. It would be easy enough to count memberships on any nudist site to see the male/female ratio.

And they aren't waiting to be asked... they don't know the reality of nudism to know that they should be going to begin with.

[OZJames]

cyndiann - Surely we can acknowledge that men outnumber the women in this forum and not continue the comments along these lines, but try to change that. The actual numbers don't matter much.

greenshine, your post makes it clear that the women ARE watching and will post if interested. You responded but did not say what your thoughts on this issue actually are. What does catch your interest ? Let us know so we can start something interesting.

cyndiann -"My feeling is that perhaps women should pull other women into it for a change."

Yes Yes yes, we will have to leave that to you. Obviously your site/s is/are helping a lot.

This INA site is a great site and it is important that members keep the protest going if any suggested links, language etc might tend to drag down the standard.

Now that i know this topic is being watched by both sexes I will ask for some help. Being an old fashioned guy not wanting to offend anybody I need advice as to when to use the variuous terms women/females/girls. Sometimes I have got into trouble, speaking to older women and in a friendly way referring to her/them as "girls" Is that sexist, is it patronising ? Are the older "girls" offended or complimented ? If some are offended and some not , is it better not to use the word at all unless speaking to young women. Then the question arises as to what age a young woman might become offended if referred to as a girl.

JAMES

[bravebare]

Being a man myself i would be interested in the openions of the female population. They have a good insight on many topics.

[greensunshine]

Guys let me first let you know what doesn't catch my attention any longer.

A. Erections...this is a subject that has been discussed and rediscussed so many times I no longer read the post.
B. Body habits...I for one could care less how you go about doing your private business...and this includes so called jokes, which I find to something that is beneith the standards this BB deserves.
C. Gay and Religion Bashing...neither belong here...if someone has a problem with either one...don't expect me to join in your discussion except to tell you to take it elsewhere...we are all children of our Heavenly Father...and thus we all deserve the same respect he would give to us and like wise we him.

D. Those elect to type their ENTIRE POST IN CAPS...come on folks...if you have to resort to typing with one finger, think before you spend all that time screaming on this BB, and that is the message that is sent across to those of us who either elect to read what you want to say (personnally I prefer ignoring those posts other than to send a PM to the staff on this BB reporting the individual).

E. Those who elect to post on issues that have no have no business on this BB that is supposedly Family Friendly...*Note, I for one do report those I am forced into reading if only long enough to report to the Admins...so if sex is the main reason for adding a post to the Thread...I for one, strongly suggest taking it elsewhere, like one of the many porn sites out there

Now if you want to get my attention, here are some of the topics that I do enjoy reading:

A. Our Troops...this includes those who are serving via other nations such as England, and Iraq...I for one am a very proud citizen and mother whose son has elected to serve his country, and I know I am not alone.

B. Fun things to do in social settings (sex is a not exceptable topic for this BB).

C. Places to meet others...from my observations over time, there are a fairly large population of Singles who are regulars, and not everyone wants to belong to a so called social club, alias resort.

D. There are many other topics I do enjoy reading but just as a rule of thumb, if you think the topic has been posted in the past...one of the easiest ways to double check is to look back through the archives...and in many cases, it has, before reviving an old thread, remember not everything that is in the archives is worth reviving.

James, I hope this helps finding out what gets some of our attention as females, and I am speaking at this point for myself...but my suspicions are I am not /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Greensunshine in the Pacific NW /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[shãybare]

Thank you, greensunshine, your post is very helpful and insightful. Hopefully, we males will take heed.

James why not skip calling us girls (do you call your male friends boys?) and stick with the term women?

And thanks Greensunshine for posting your likes and dislikes.

[OZJames]

Terrific reponse greensunshine at last we are getting somewhere we now have a list.

1stly TROOPS - I feel desparatly concerned for all the troops in Iraq (Aussie troops too). It must be a nightmare over there and one sees on TV everynight the tension in soldiers faces. Also the lighter side. Last night a report on a US soldier whose job it was (amongst other things) to build soccer fields for the Iraqi kids. He had the friendliest happy face I have seen in a long while. Why can't those bloody terrorist Saddam supporters give up and top killing people who are doing their best to fix Iraq.

It is vital that we all support our troops sent by the Government we voted in(or some of us did). However, the troops should not have been sent there in the first place. I think the world would be a better place if we concentrated on ourselves, trade, economics.

JAMES

[johny]

Cyndiann
RE: "That website is an excellent example of fairytales given to new nudists and how a site will remove truthful posts while supporting prudish opinions even as they unfairly flame the more open minded thinkers there"

I ve read what that site moderator (You know what I speak about) have been done. It was really unpolite, untruthfully, annonyme, and unreasonable. But thank to their deeds You are more frequently here. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Think about it better this way - dogs are barking but caravane goes their way. Or - if caravane shall stop own way to teach a lesson for each barking dog in their way, the caravane would never end the journey at the right time.

Thank you johny and I will take your wise advice.

[BareDebCNA]

I often gaze here and read what seems to be of interest at the time. It varies from day to day what catches my eyes and I dont come here everyday. As I have posted in the past, I have been a nudist off and on because of my way of life being in the military..(not that it should matter any) and moving so much that it has not been condusive for me to practice the lifestyle that is what i love and that is being a nudist and into naturism. I am trying to get my dear husband more interested yet it seems he is soooo busy being the one on Active Duty with no real duty hours working 11 plus hours at work and bringing it home cause of the workload and deadlines. It is the same in the civilian life too. I have been out and off of Active Duty military for 14 years come the middle of this month coming up(December) and have had a number of jobs since. Now I find meself ready to get to the tanning booths to help with the "SAD" or seasonal affective disorder that affects so many of us during the winter months. Unfortunately not all of us live where it is warm all the time so the tannig booths do help !!! I know i am rambling on and sorry for that. Just wanted to get it out there so that yet another woman is heard from. Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving Day... we did and are getting ready for the rest of the many holidays that are vast and as deversitived (sp) as we are individuals. Please be safe everyone and be nice /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Later, Deb /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[RIVERRAT]

Hey Deb, the RAT here, I have Im'd many ladies who have come and gone, I believe this is a great site for the ladies and we need more like yourself, but I guess comming from a man it doesn't work, you ladies have to reqruit more ladies , your input is needed here. Bring it. keep posting. Later the RAT /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[BareDebCNA]

Thanks RAT for responding /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I am trying to get out of my box and get back wiht the rest of humanity. Especially the nudists in my life /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Just hanging out today as we have a "Christmas Gala" to go to this evening. Sure wish it was a nudist one instead of a work related one for my hubby. Oh well, I've endured worse...and i will make the most of it /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Later and have a great nude day!!,
/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Deb /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[NudeAl]

Hey Deb,

An interesting note here. I am on active duty and in our house I am the one who is always into nudity. I have gotten my wife to go along sometimes but she just isn't as into it as I am. Man I know what you mean about the long days at work. Even worse for us has been the long monthes away from each other durring deployments, usually 6 months to a year at a time. I have also found that I am affected by SAD. I usually get enough sun by just being lucky enough to be stationed here in southern California. Well good luck, keep hitting the tanning booth til spring. Better yet talk your hubby into taking some leave and hop a MAC flight somewhere warm. Happy holidays /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif