Society... what if?

[Suntied]

I can't help but think about how the Indians lived (North American) before we came along? Do you think that they made sure that nobody ever saw them without their flap down (guys)? Where did the idea of clothing come from? The Kings and Queens of Britan (or England) reveared themselves by the their dress and the cost thereof. If you think about it, really hard, it all boils down to money! All of the fur and bufallo skin could have kept us warm, but the rich people wouldn't get any richer if they hadn't designed some really cool clothes for the pilgrams to were... Right???

Just something to think about.

[Suntied]

I can't help but think about how the Indians lived (North American) before we came along? Do you think that they made sure that nobody ever saw them without their flap down (guys)? Where did the idea of clothing come from? The Kings and Queens of Britan (or England) reveared themselves by the their dress and the cost thereof. If you think about it, really hard, it all boils down to money! All of the fur and bufallo skin could have kept us warm, but the rich people wouldn't get any richer if they hadn't designed some really cool clothes for the pilgrams to were... Right???

Just something to think about.

There were a lot of societies that lived clothing free until missionaries came along and said they had to put clothes on. Missionaries were originally sent out to take the gospel to the world. I don't read anything in the Bible that said they were to force the natives to cover their nude bodies. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[florida-david]

clothes are evil. all we need is that little leather triangle to keep our privates from rubbing against some sharp bushes or poison ivy. since we americans are rarely hunting in the jungle, we could easily be naked unless its too darn cold out. but, its true, the rich clothing manufacturers would become poor and body shame would be a thing of the past. aren't you glad we live in such an advanced society?? nahhhhh....

[missouriboy]

Yeah, right on. Someone once asked in a forum, "What's the deal with a 'training bra?' What's being trained anyway?"

And I replied it's the little girl who's being trained, to grow up to be a good little slave to the fashion industry! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I recently thumbed through a Vogue magazine in a waiting room. It was disgusting, all the high-priced "fashion" clothing, and who was wearing it, and who was creating it. The pompousness fairly dripped from the pages. Yuck!

[Suntied]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by missouriboy:
[QB]Yeah, right on. Someone once asked in a forum, "What's the deal with a 'training bra?' What's being trained anyway?"

Missouriboy,

Thank you reading my post. My hole problem with nudity being excepted in society can be summed up by your quote!

Before there was TV, everyone was trained to behave proper (with clothes on)

Before there was trade or money, you could get shot for undermining the agreement.

Before there was government... it probably sucked.

Before that... we were trully free, yet not quite trained on how to make more money/trade/food or just plain survival. I posted a topic on this because I believe that the human race has grown so far away from the basics, that even nudity, the most basic natural aspect of life is offensive. It dosn't offend me, yet I don't think I could survive without my cell phones (yes I have 2).

I have been reading the other posts and all the remarks thereof, and don't quite understand why this one isn't getting more feed back. Maybe it is because I have to express some opinion on other topics first, for a while, so people get to know me. I don't know and I type prettty slow. Hey that rymed!!!

Thanks, Suntied.

[Suntied]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by florida-david:
rubbing against some sharp bushes or poison ivy. since...

Florida-David,

Funny... but the fact is I have to go hunting (in a cense) in your state this weekend. Weather channel says it will be 83 degrees. I wish I had wings on my truck!!!

[florida-david]

there is a big naturist festival this weekend in west palm beach. is that the hunting you were mentioning?

[Suntied]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by florida-david:
there is a big naturist festival this weekend in west palm beach. is that the hunting you were mentioning? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks Florida-David,
I just got back from Miami, but I didn't have time for leasure since I had to be back in the foot plus of snow here in Ohio. It was a fun drive... not!
Any way thanks for the reply. I drive an Eighteen-Wheeler and I think it would take some planning for me to go to any nudist places... ie; parking then getting there. I thought I was going to spend the weekend down there and was planning to visit Hanouver, but they found me a load out of Ft. Lauderdale on saturday. It is kind of a catch 22. I wanted to stay the weekend, but if I missed that load, I wouldn't be sure when I could get back and/or make money. Work before play I guess. Maybe someday, I'll know where my route takes me more than a day in advance and can visit some places. I hope so

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SuntiedinOhio:
I can't help but think about how the Indians lived (North American) before we came along? Do you think that they made sure that nobody ever saw them without their flap down (guys)? Where did the idea of clothing come from? The Kings and Queens of Britan (or England) reveared themselves by the their dress and the cost thereof. If you think about it, really hard, it all boils down to money! All of the fur and bufallo skin could have kept us warm, but the rich people wouldn't get any richer if they hadn't designed some really cool clothes for the pilgrams to were... Right???

Just something to think about. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>welcome freind, I just read your note from the previos entry, I started by reading everyone elses oppinions so finally I decided to but in, now I guess I'm accepted, haven't heard anything negative yet. be nude and enjoy

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
There were a lot of societies that lived clothing free until missionaries came along and said they had to put clothes on. Missionaries were originally sent out to take the gospel to the world. I don't read anything in the Bible that said they were to force the natives to cover their nude bodies. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>AMEN BROTHER, GOD created us nude do you really think that offends him?

No, Riverrat, I don't believe God is offended by nudity since He looked down on all that He had made and said it was very good, and I assume that included Adam and Eve who were sitting there nude.

I don't understand how my fellow Christians can read that and beleive that nudity is sinful. It seems that societal teachings are too strong. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Suntied]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
welcome freind, I just read your note from the previos entry, I started by reading everyone elses oppinions so finally I decided to but in, now I guess I'm accepted, haven't heard anything negative yet. be nude and enjoy[/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey Riverat, I've read alot of postsreply's from you. I just started getting involved in this forum stuff and and I don't get as many responses I had thought I would. So, thanks for the response. Do you think a decline from the ways of old england and their clothes is a possibility in our lifetime?
Live it like it was meant!
Bart also (sorry Bartamus)

[RIVERRAT]

AMEN Jon-Marc, GOD created us naked, do you really think he would be offended

[Suntied]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:

I don't understand how my fellow Christians can read that and beleive that nudity is sinful. It seems that societal teachings are too strong. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif [/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hi Jon-Marc,
I have appreciated the responses from you previously and really enjoy your meloncolly attitude, and your wisdom or knowledge of how the whole clothes thing was started. I wasn't sure how to respond on the missionary thing. The church I went to (and the schools for that matter) didn't educate me on those things. All I know is it seams natural... almost instinct... for me to be clothes-free. I just don't see a reason for clothes. I thought I was strange in my beliefs (raised Christian/Lutheran) about the human body... what is so sinful? My Christianity is certainly not as strong as yours even though I am well educated in the beliefs and my mother has gone over the edge with it... way over (long story). I would like further feed-back from you on the start of clothes and why I instinctly want to be nude.

Life is fun when clothes are gone!

Suntiedinohio,

Since this isn't the Nudity and Religion section, I don't want to get into religion too much because of those who don't like it. However, I am a Christian first and foremost. I've been a Baptist for nearly 40 years, and I'm still learning.

The idea of covering the body, for those of us who believe in the creation, started with Adam and Eve when they rebelled against God. It had nothing to do with body shame, but with sin-shame.

Body shame, regardless of how it got started is taught by parents to their children, to their children, to their children, and so on.

One man where I work thinks my being a nudist is a great laughing matter, and all he can talk about is walking around showing off one's erection. I told him I want to move to Florida and live in a nudist resort, and that I would like to work there also. He thought that was really funny too.

I've been to Bible college, and though my Bible knowledge is limited compared to many, I have learned that God isn't embarrassed or offended by the nude human body that He created so why should we be? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Suntied]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
God isn't embarrassed or offended by the nude human body that He created so why should we be? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif [/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thank you Jon-Marc,
I started this thread to learn more about the way we became textile freindly as I am having a hard time intriuging my daughter, of 19 years old, to our way of life. She is so caught up in the textile, conservative manner which she was brought up by my first ex-wife (unfortunatley I kept my naturism concealed) that she doesn't even want to discuss it with me anymore. I have made sure that she saw me on this site, in hopes that she would venture out to see what my interests were, but the next time she saw me on it she shunned away. I get the feeling she thinks it is stupid to be naked... ie;we are stupid??? /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif To force the issue seams unfair to her beleifs, yet to conceal it even further seams unfair to me. I don't think we're stupid! I wish I could find a way to explain to her the way that society has evolved is wrong (for lack of a better word this late) and that there is a possibility that I/we may be right!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Your replies are appreciated /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Nudity is mostly under-rated /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SuntiedinOhio,

What is stupid is wearing clothes when you don't have to. The only real purpose for clothes is to protect your body from the cold or injury while doing work that could cause injury.

My daughters are 29 and 32. I told them last year that I had joined a nudist club. My younger daughter took it very calmly. The older one was very shocked. My grandkids are being raised to be VERY modest and ashamed of their bodies.

Be yourself, but be careful that you don't drive your daughter away from you by trying to force the issue.

At 19 it's doubtful that anything you say will change your daughter's mind. She's been indoctrinated with the idea that the body is something shameful--like most of the world believes.

Enjoy your nudity as much as you can. You can't force her into it, or force her to accept it. If she won't talk with you about it, there's nothing you can do. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SuntiedinOhio:
...I am having a hard time intriuging my daughter, of 19 years old, to our way of life. She is so caught up in the textile, conservative manner which she was brought up by my first ex-wife (unfortunatley I kept my naturism concealed) that she doesn't even want to discuss it with me anymore... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You might try getting her to read the booklet I posted the link for in this other thread. (http://www.clothesfree.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000689) When you try to intrigue her yourself, it's probably too up close and personal for her, and this puts her on the defensive. The booklet is very impersonal (but quite long, too).

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by missouriboy:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SuntiedinOhio:
[qb]...I am having a hard time intriuging my daughter, of 19 years old, to our way of life. She is so caught up in the textile, conservative manner which she was brought up by my first ex-wife (unfortunatley I kept my naturism concealed) that she doesn't even want to discuss it with me anymore... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You should respect her wishes when she said she doesn't want to talk about it anymore. Your daughter is 19 and a grown woman, she is entitled to her own views and ways she wants to live her life. You were too late in introducing nudism to her. At such age, young adults don't practice it. Those who do at such age discovered it on their own. That being said, you should just leave your daughter alone.

[Bob S.]

Jon-Marc, one needn't be a biblical scholar to argue on questions of a spiritual matter. I know even less of the Bible than you, yet I won't hesitate to put in my two cents or pence, into a discussion. The one thing I won't do is assume a position of expert in the field of the Bible.

Suntied, Your daughter is 19, well indoctrinated in the textile society, and beginning to live her own life away from her parents. Now is not the time to try to get her into the lifestyle, especially when she is so against it. I'm curious, has she said that it is stupid to be naked or was that your interpretetion? I get the idea that she actually said that.

And you should respect her opinion, maybe asking her to rephrase it in a better way, but respect it nonetheless. And If she said something to the effect of "Being naked is stupid", she is not saying anyone who is naked is stupid, she seems to be saying that there is no good reason why people should be naked, especially if they are not bathing or having sex; and especially around a group of people.

The only thing to do at this point, which I am assuming that you are doing, is to just keep open the lines of communication. And when she's at college, be naked and hopes she meets some nice, nudist boy while there.

Bob S.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SuntiedinOhio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:

I don't understand how my fellow Christians can read that and beleive that nudity is sinful. It seems that societal teachings are too strong. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hi Jon-Marc,
I have appreciated the responses from you previously and really enjoy your meloncolly attitude, and your wisdom or knowledge of how the whole clothes thing was started. I wasn't sure how to respond on the missionary thing. The church I went to (and the schools for that matter) didn't educate me on those things. All I know is it seams natural... almost instinct... for me to be clothes-free. I just don't see a reason for clothes. I thought I was strange in my beliefs (raised Christian/Lutheran) about the human body... what is so sinful? My Christianity is certainly not as strong as yours even though I am well educated in the beliefs and my mother has gone over the edge with it... way over (long story). I would like further feed-back from you on the start of clothes and why I instinctly want to be nude.

Life is fun when clothes are gone![/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I can't speack for Jon Marc, but I can say, when GOD created man he created us man then women, nude and gave them some rules so he (GOD) said you do not respect my law, now you shall go through life in shame you shall cover what I have given you in shame, God did not intend us to be ashamed of our nakedness, we brought down shame on ourselves, nudity was common in the days of CHRIST, it was not and is not sinful, but the eye of one who lusts over the body naked or otherwise is where the sin comes from, it is not the persons being naked, that is natural, the provacative clothing that insites the mind, being nude is natural, but to use the body wether clothed or partially clothed is what incites lust, I'm not a bible pounder, but I know our bodies are beautful and thats what GOD intended.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SuntiedinOhio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
God isn't embarrassed or offended by the nude human body that He created so why should we be? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thank you Jon-Marc,
I started this thread to learn more about the way we became textile freindly as I am having a hard time intriuging my daughter, of 19 years old, to our way of life. She is so caught up in the textile, conservative manner which she was brought up by my first ex-wife (unfortunatley I kept my naturism concealed) that she doesn't even want to discuss it with me anymore. I have made sure that she saw me on this site, in hopes that she would venture out to see what my interests were, but the next time she saw me on it she shunned away. I get the feeling she thinks it is stupid to be naked... ie;we are stupid??? /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif To force the issue seams unfair to her beleifs, yet to conceal it even further seams unfair to me. I don't think we're stupid! I wish I could find a way to explain to her the way that society has evolved is wrong (for lack of a better word this late) and that there is a possibility that I/we may be right!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Your replies are appreciated /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Nudity is mostly under-rated /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif [/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't mean to step on anyones toes, but if you think you change someones mind about anything when two households are involved with differant ideals are involved, forget it, I have a granddaughter, she lives with her mother and stepfather, she is nine, she spends weekends with my son her dad, and many weekends with me, I live alone. Since she was about 3 she would come to my house for weekends, where I was she was so eventually I stopped covering up when she saw me nude why make it look like a bad thing just natural, therefor not making seem bad, she eccepted it and it was ok, between the ages of maybe six and seven or maybe a little later, she must have said something as innocent as may have been but her addatude changed and so I have addapted accordingling, I still would like her to see the freedom of being naked but it's not my place to do that if her mother is bothered by that, so for now I have toned it down, some day when she gets older we'll see if she would except this lifestyle, she knowsI don't mind being nude so we can go from there, I don't know if this helped or not

[Suntied]

You guys are a big help!!!!!!
I just got home a few hours ago and finally had another discussion with her about the subject of me being naked around her!
She said, "It is just gross, your my family... my dad. I just think it is gross to be around you naked and I'm uncomfortable with the idea or even the picture of it."

Then I said, "Where do think those gross feelings came from... it is in the way you were raised."

She replied, "It has nothing to do with the way I was raised. I just don't like it. People don't like things because it is just what they don't like... it has nothing to do with the way mom brought me up. I used to see her walk from the shower to her bedroom all the time, naked. I even saw Micheal (her mom's boyfreind) naked twice and I just covered my eyes... I didn't want to see it and i don't want to see it now. I have to draw naked people for school twice a week and i don't want to see it at home."

I think it is a lost cause for me to even try to intoduce her into our free lifestyle.

Thank you so much for all of the replies... you all have made me feel very welcome!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Suntied]

PS: I give up!

I will be naked when it doesn't affect her... she said that she respects that. Society has created another non-nudist... I guess. Thanks for nothing world!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif