Wooly Liberal thinking... [Archive]

KirkOntario

08-29-2005, 04:08 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/new...0685&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=360685&in_page_id=1770)

"A secondary school is to allow pupils to swear at teachers - as long as they don't do so more than five times in a lesson. A running tally of how many times the f-word has been used will be kept on the board. If a class goes over the limit, they will be 'spoken' to at the end of the lesson.
The astonishing policy, which the school says will improve the behaviour of pupils, was condemned by parents' groups and MPs yesterday. They warned it would backfire. "

luv the tortured reasoning....preventing something by permitting it

perhaps that explains that Ohio highschool that has 65 pregnant teenage girls.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4885861/detail.html

"School officials are not sure what has contributed to so many pregnancies, but in response to them, the school is launching a three-prong educational program to address pregnancy, prevention and parenting."

I love the article: school officials have no idea why these girls are pregnant. Hmmm..perhaps they should have gone to sex ed classes. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

KirkOntario

08-29-2005, 04:08 PM

NudeAl

08-29-2005, 04:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"School officials are not sure what has contributed to so many pregnancies, but in response to them, the school is launching a three-prong educational program to address pregnancy, prevention and parenting."

I love the article: school officials have no idea why these girls are pregnant. Hmmm..perhaps they should have gone to sex ed classes </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In that case perhaps the school administrators should all go to a sex Ed class!! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Things are obviously worse than I thought.

Boreas

08-29-2005, 05:37 PM

Kirk, you called this tread "Wooly Liberal Thinking". The example you cited is not that, it is wooly thinking of the players involved.

Please don't make such broad generalizationa.

KirkOntario

08-29-2005, 05:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Still_Boreas:
Kirk, you called this tread "Wooly Liberal Thinking". The example you cited is not that, it is wooly thinking of the players involved.

Please don't make such broad generalizationa. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup wooly liberal players. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

nudenwv

08-29-2005, 06:44 PM

i have always felt discipline starts in the home. many children today come home to an empty nest. this allows them to run things the way they think they shoud be run. they don't realize the maturity needed to make those decisions that changes ones life.

Captain Zen

08-29-2005, 07:27 PM

There should be nothing wrong with teen pregnancies. It just shows how primitive America is becoming again. I do not say or think primitive is negative, or bad, it is the opposite of a highly educated and developed situation. In ancient and what is arrogantly called "primitive" societies, teens got babies as nature has them instructed to. Too young to have enough patience and wisdom to educate the siblings, the older and especially the grandparents with their experience and wisdom took care of the children. That gave them a purpose as they were too old to work the fields, which was thus done by the young men and mothers who knew their kids were in good hands. Society today puts grandparent in homes to rot in boredom, forces teens to raise their [often unwanted] babies so they cannot follow school and the misery continues...

Naturist Mark

08-29-2005, 07:54 PM

Was that first link to a Wooly Liberal or Wooly Conservative school in England?

Timken High School in Canton, Ohio is a fine example of the resounding success of the religious right's insistence on abstinence only sex education. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Alarmingly High Number of Pregnancies in Canton Schools

Wednesday, August 24, 2005

As teen pregnancy rates are dropping in most parts of the nation, there's been an alarming spike in the number of pregnant girls in the Canton city schools. Of 490 girls who attend Timken High School - 65 are pregnant. A total of 99 are pregnant district-wide. Superintendent Dianne Talarico says parents and the community have to take their share of responsibility...

Talarico says the district will start parenting classes when school opens next week. It is reviewing a new Life Skills program for students in the sixth grade. Talarico also says the district is reconsidering the abstinence-only sex education program. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Teen pregnancy isn't just for big cities anymore, look at rural Fayette County which has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the State, and also happens to be the most solidly conservative county in the state. Oh those wooly wooly conservatives.

-Mark

Bob S.

08-29-2005, 08:07 PM

"There should be nothing wrong with teen pregnancies."

Pregnancies by teens who cannot support them are not good, Zen. Yes, I absolutely hope that the teens' parents can help out, but in most situations, both parents work.

And having babies in high school leads many teens to welfare, lower paying jobs, and a cycle of lower class life that is hard to get out of. That is unless they are lucky enough to be wealthy.

This is not the past. "Villages" and family farms just do not exist anymore like they used to.

"I do not say or think primitive is negative, or bad, it is the opposite of a highly educated and developed situation."

So you are calling the American situation uneducated and undeveloped? Thanks for not being negative.

Bob S.

jon71

08-29-2005, 08:27 PM

The Ohio school is absolutely the result of dumb conservatives. The solution is full sex education including the correct use of contraceptives. Rampant pregnancies and s.t.d's are the inevitable result of abstinence only education. I can guarantee you the abortion rate went up sharply there and anywhere else abstinence only is in effect. As far as the swearing I wouldn't take that approach but if the occasional four letter word slipped I wouldn't make that big a deal of it. Students ought to show respect for their teachers but the precise vernacular isn't that big a deal.

Captain Zen

08-29-2005, 10:31 PM

What is needed is a fundamental change in thinking. Read the book by Donald Walsch: "Conversations with God", and much will become clear, that is now still hidden.
The USA is not highly educated. It has 20% illiteracy (a great pool for gunfodder) and is low compared to other developed nations. See UN world education statistics.
So many teen pregnancies point to a decline in progress, a return to primitivity.

ken0254

08-30-2005, 04:12 AM

Why is it that where ever abstinance only sex ed is taught, the pregnancy rate goes up and the age at which teenagers have sex is lower? Why is it in Europe, where sex ed is more out in the open, the pregnancy rate for teenagers is lower, the age at which they start having sex is higher. Hhmmm... is there a correlation here? What are we trying to do here? Just saying no is not going to work, no matter how much we want to believe it will. Of course we have a president in the white house that wants intelligent design taught in school too, so how does one fight THAT??

ken

Captain Zen

08-30-2005, 05:01 AM

The answer to that Ken, is the natural cusiosity of young people, adolescents, children. They know sex IS, and to 'Just Say No' haa the opposite effect. Legalising pot in Holland has strongly reduced its use. The 'forbidden'pull is gone.
Leave the house wnen the kids are home and say they may roam wherever they want, except for that and that room. Where do you think they go first as soon as you are out of sight.
The Bush administration is out to destroy America, and it is succeeding. Pornography easily available, death and destruction promoted with every videao game, competition the most holy passtime, resulting in overfull jails, overloaded courts and girls who will want to see how young they can breed.

NudeTopher

08-30-2005, 05:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ken0254:
Why is it that where ever abstinance only sex ed is taught, the pregnancy rate goes up and the age at which teenagers have sex is lower? Why is it in Europe, where sex ed is more out in the open, the pregnancy rate for teenagers is lower, the age at which they start having sex is higher. Hhmmm... is there a correlation here? What are we trying to do here? Just saying no is not going to work, no matter how much we want to believe it will. Of course we have a president in the white house that wants intelligent design taught in school too, so how does one fight THAT??

ken </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually Ken, the situation is even more humerous then you think. I was just reading some stats about those kids that instead of having comprehensive sex education took the virginity pledge. It seems the males were 6 times more likely to have oral sex and the girls 4 times more likely to have anal sex. No doubt they define virginity as only vaginal sex.

With the Rapture Right wanting creationism to be taught in science classes (instead of either philosophy or religion classes) and "intelligent design" to be added to the schools perhaps I should give up the study of medicine and take up faith healing. It' much more cost efficient-you only need one book. Also, if a patient expires, you can always say that it was "God's will" instead of your lack of scientific knowledge. Hmm. You think that perhaps faith healing is Bush's new national health care plan? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Captain Zen

08-30-2005, 05:18 AM

Yes, you are right, I see it now, I agree completely, Faith Healing must be Bush' solution for Medicare. And his drug companies will profit too, as they need only the recomrndation of a priest and be dispensed at religious gatherings, churches, faith healing crusades. Great, go with god.

NudistGuy47

08-30-2005, 05:50 AM

I find the teen pregnancy rate disturbing in the local high school and even more disturbing in the Collinwood Cluster of Cleveland where 26.3% of the enrolled girls are pregnant. The abstinence only approach is certainly not working on our shores. The virginity pledges are not working either.

Last night on the BBC World News, the Ugandan government and humanitarians were decrying the Bush administration policy to lower the incidence in AIDS infection by going with an abstinence only apporach. The administration is withholding world HIV/AIDS money unless the government adopt the abstinence only approach. The Ugandans want to have condoms available and teach the prevention approach vs. the "hope" approach.

When will we learn that information is power and helps all make informed choices when it comes to life?

Boreas

08-30-2005, 06:52 AM

Before I say more, I do believe that there is an increase in teen pregnancies in some circles....maybe in most places.

My comment/question is, is it really a lot more? Even as late as the 70's possibly early 80's, there were still "homes for unwed mothers" in operation. Young women who became pregnant were spirited away to have their babies in secret and then returned home after. In many cases, people around did not know the young woman had a baby. With this in mind, the stats may be a bit skewed. In the old days, the problem was hidden and "nice people" did not need to see it. Now it is out in the open and visible to all to see.

It is important to do more than "just say no". This campaign has been used to combat drugs and has not worked. Alcohol and drug abuse is a medical/social issue and solutions need to be in those arenas as well as in the legal. I have been working with people for many years. When certain cuts are made, the problems raise significantly. The Ontario government cut funding to subsidized housing and the rates of homelessness in Toronto increased significantly. Along with that, there was more unemployment (you need a home to be employed in many cases) and certain illegal activities (got to make money somehow). When governments provide a certain amount of subsidized housing, or child care or even drug benefits (health care in the US?) then people can often work and be productive. When they can work and be productive, the can ultimately be in a position to not need the social "welfare" supports. Then we all benefit.

Call that woolly (er wooly for Kirk) liberal thinking.

ken0254

08-30-2005, 07:00 AM

I would like to see a comparison between the incidence of teenage pregnancy of nudist teenagers and their non-nudist counterparts. On the same line, a comparison of when their first sexual experience occurs between nudist and non-nudist teenagers might be interesting also. Those numbers would probably shock radical right christian conservatives.

ken

Naturist Mark

08-30-2005, 04:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ken0254:
I would like to see a comparison between the incidence of teenage pregnancy of nudist teenagers and their non-nudist counterparts.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These are close:
http://www.clothesfree.com/pregnancy.html
http://www.armage.demon.co.uk/nuff/resourcebook/current....html?teenagers.html (http://www.armage.demon.co.uk/nuff/resourcebook/current/index.html?teenagers.html)

Captain Zen

08-30-2005, 04:51 PM

I happen to be of the Netherlands and my critisizing some moral and political topics have been heavily attacked, alas, the USA has a long way to go before it can call itself developed in many areas...

Captain Zen

08-31-2005, 07:06 PM

Because the Katrine threads are closed, I must post here something that may upset most of you if not all. Stil, we live in evil times and this is the summum of it:
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/082705.htm
I will also put this on the Bush Bashing thread as it is most popular.......

KirkOntario

09-14-2005, 05:54 PM

More wooly liberal thinking.... http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...09/14/ixnewstop.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/14/nliv14.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/14/ixnewstop.html)

"An Islamic scholar who has been accused of supporting suicide bombers was likened by Ken Livingstone, the London mayor, yesterday to Pope John XXIII.

He said that Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a Qatar-based imam who is banned from America, was "an absolutely sane Islamist engaged with the world" who believed in democracy and an increasing role for women.

Sheikh Qaradawi meets with Ken Livingstone during his 2004 visit
"Of all the Muslim leaders in the world today, Sheikh Qaradawi is the most powerfully progressive force for change and for engaging Islam with western values," Mr Livingstone told the Commons home affairs select committee.

"I think his is very similar to the position of Pope John XXIII.""

Captain Zen

09-14-2005, 06:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
More wooly liberal thinking.... http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...09/14/ixnewstop.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/14/nliv14.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/14/ixnewstop.html)

"I think his is very similar to the position of Pope John XXIII."" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Two super criminals.