I'm Moving!

My home is sold, and August 1st I will be heading for Florida to live at Natura in Hudson. Everyone warns me about the hurricanes, but I'm one to trust the Lord instead of worrying about what MIGHT happen.

My home is sold, and August 1st I will be heading for Florida to live at Natura in Hudson. Everyone warns me about the hurricanes, but I'm one to trust the Lord instead of worrying about what MIGHT happen.

[NekkidAl]

Congratulations on the sale and good luck with the move. I'm not exactly sure where Hudson is, but at least one thing is for sure... if the worst happens and a hurricane DOES hit, you won't be needing to go out and buy a whole new wardrobe!

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

Good luck and even if a Hurricane heads your way, at least you get plenty of warning!

Now ya can't be a grump about the cold, but becareful of those Kamikazi Palmetto Bugs! They'll knock ya out cold and steel your beer, or tea, or whatever!

[David77]

I am very happy for you, Jon-Marc. Your ardent hope is becoming a reality!

[JayFromFLA]

See ya when you get here!

[Ben_m]

Congratulations and best of luck in your pursuits, Jon-Marc. I know this is something you've wanted. Now I guess I have to hope for the chance to visit you in Florida http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif . Not likely, but who knows, I didn't think I'd ever visit you in Michigan either.

[Qikdraw]

Congrats! But I don't envy you the packing and moving part. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Qikdraw

[jon71]

Good luck with the move. At least you will have fewer clothes to pack than most.

[Sailor]

Congratulations Jon-Marc!

I always admire people who find a way to do what they want rather than the more common approach of complaining and blaming!

[Bob S.]

Way to go, Jon-Marc! I hope you like saunas because you'll be living in one.

It's 90s and humid here in VA Beach so it must be horrible in Florida.

Bob S.

[David77]

Weather for Hudson, FL
78°F (now)
Clear
Wind: NE at 6 mph
Humidity: 87% Tue

91° | 77° Wed

91° | 77° Thu

88° | 77° Fri

89° | 77° Sat

[David77]

To compare the weather forcast for Hudson Florida (listed above) with Virginia Beach Virginia, here are the figures;

Weather for Virginia Beach, VA
80°F (now)
Scattered Clouds
Wind: SW at 12 mph
Humidity: 79% Tue

88° | 77° Wed

86° | 76° Thu

86° | 76° Fri

85° | 75° Sat

[OZJames]

WOW Jon-Marc, you must be really looking forward to the warm weather, NO MORE SNOW IN WINTER http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hope you can get back on the net ASAP

Good Luck,
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[nakedjohn]

Congrat. Jon-Marc. Finally you will be enjoying nice Florida weather.
Hope the move goes well for you, give it some time and everything will find a place in your new home.....and then you will be able to enjoy it.
As we spent almost every winter a couple of weeks in Florida (Cypress Cove), I am pretty sure we will come by and visit you (if its OK with you of course)

I won't have a lot to pack--especially clothes http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. It's not warm enough for me inside until it gets up to about 80 degrees indoors. It has to be above 82 degrees before I turn on a fan, and it has to be above 85 degrees before I need air conditioning. I think I will do OK in Florida.

If you can find Natura, stop by on Labor Day for the dedication.

[Sauna]

Think what you are loosing like four seasons, wondeful snow and making snow angels, no swetting in winter time etc.

In Fla there are two Hudsons, but I suppose your is the Pasco county one. Good luck anyhow.

WONDERFUL snow? You have got to be kidding! I won't miss the bitter cold, snow and ice one bit. I won't miss having to wear heavy clothes, heavy coat, gloves, hat and boots all winter long. I certainly won't miss having to use the furnace all year long.

[missouriboy]

Congrats, Jon-Marc. I know you'll love the drastic contrast in winter weather; I would too, just the difference between there and Missouri is huge, and I also hate the cold. The oppressive heat there in summer is but a small price to pay for leaving the snow and ice behind for good.

Can I come too?? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Daveinct]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
WONDERFUL snow? You have got to be kidding! I won't miss the bitter cold, snow and ice one bit. I won't miss having to wear heavy clothes, heavy coat, gloves, hat and boots all winter long. I certainly won't miss having to use the furnace all year long. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll try to remember to send you a box of snow when winter comes around. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Good luck, and enjoy!

Dave

[nudenwv]

congrats to you! sounds like a great place! any room for visitors? wishing the best for you!

[David77]

Present weather for Union City Michigan, where Jon-Marc is, is listed at;
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=weather+f...ity+Michigan&spell=1 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;q=weather+forecast+for+Union +City+Michigan&amp;spell=1)

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by missouriboy:
Congrats, Jon-Marc. I know you'll love the drastic contrast in winter weather; I would too, just the difference between there and Missouri is huge, and I also hate the cold. The oppressive heat there in summer is but a small price to pay for leaving the snow and ice behind for good.

Can I come too?? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the winters are a drastic contrast. The heat in the summers for both states, MO & FL, can be oppressive.
See weather forcast at;
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=weather+forecast+f...+Louis+Missouri&btnG (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=weather+forecast+for+St.+Louis+Miss ouri&amp;btnG)

[Sir Oink]

Congrats Jon-Marc,

Although in Texas, welcome to the coast.

[Trailscout]

Jon Marc,

I admire your tenacity. You held on tight to your dreams, accomplishing each goal no matter how long it took.
Retirement, nudist resort living and now Florida!

We'll be in touch. I can learn a lot from people like you.

[Nu]

Best wishes for a nice retirement in Florida.

Hurricanes are normally once a year or so, Yes?

[nudist_in_Tn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
My home is sold, and August 1st I will be heading for Florida to live at Natura in Hudson. Everyone warns me about the hurricanes, but I'm one to trust the Lord instead of worrying about what MIGHT happen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Dont worry about things in which you have no control over (ie) hurricanes ect. just click on http://www.weather.com and relax. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifGood luck to you I know you will enjoy it there. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Sure, moboy, come on along! They're planning on at least 100 RV lots, and they have the 3,200 square foot B&B where you can rent a room. There's also the dedication and opening day on Labor Day. The more the merrier! Until they do something with the roads in there, it will be very difficult to get in and out. Bill Martin got his car stuck in a big mud hole in one of the roads! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[WacoTX]

Good for you, Jon-Marc! we'll be looking for your posts from Florida.

[Hooked]

Congrats JM

Jay, you live at Natura??!!

[JayFromFLA]

Nope, I live in a city called Lakeland. I'm about 45 minutes from the Pasco nudist area and 45 minutes from Cypress Cove.

[luvnaturism]

I'll add my congratulations to the others. I'm delighted that you're finally getting to live where you wanted to be all along.

Enjoy.

[Nude in the North]

I'm happy for you Jon-Marc.

Maybe sometime when I'm vacationing in Fl. I will get a chance to visit you there. It would be fun to check out some of the nudist places other than Haulover. I have been afraid to try them out since I can only go there in January. I wouldn't want to spend the week wrapped in a blanket.

Steve

[David77]

The average summer temperature in Land O' Lakes Florida, near Hudson Florida (Natura) is 85 and the average winter temperature is 67. The sunniest months are April & May.

[nudeM]

Lots of luck, Jon Marc, on your upcoming move. Hopefully, things will work out for you, now that your house has been sold and you can now move on to a place that you have always wanted to go. Let us know how things turned out. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Well, I went for the bankruptcy hearing today and guess what--I got LOST! Their directions were as clear as mud. I drove to the lawyer's office and let them know that I didn't make it to the hearing and why. It will have to be re-scheduled, which means I won't be leaving here on August 1st as planned. Someone at the office printed out directions from Mapquest, which are a lot more clear and easier to follow. Oh well, that's the way the cookie crumbles. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Trailscout]

Jon-Marc,

There's a big grand opening at Natura on Labor Day weekend. I hope you can make the move by then.

If they tell me it will be 3 or more months before they get schedule another hearing, I will just go ahead and move and then return for the hearing.

[shãybare]

http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Congrats on your upcoming move to FL, Jon-Marc and good luck on your hearing. Always my best.

Update: My new bankruptcy hearing is this Friday. This time I will play it smart (that's a first for me! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) and drive there the day before to find the place where I have to be and find out where the parking is and how long it takes to get there. I don't want the same thing to happen again. I don't know how many times they will reschedule the hearing.

If all goes well Friday. I will be out of here right after that. Also, I have to have a heart catheterization tomorrow (Tuesday) at 11 AM http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif. It doesn't sound like fun.

[PascoDoug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
Update: My new bankruptcy hearing is this Friday. This time I will play it smart (that's a first for me! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) and drive there the day before to find the place where I have to be and find out where the parking is and how long it takes to get there. I don't want the same thing to happen again. I don't know how many times they will reschedule the hearing.

If all goes well Friday. I will be out of here right after that. Also, I have to have a heart catheterization tomorrow (Tuesday) at 11 AM http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif. It doesn't sound like fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jon-Marc, good luck with both your new bankruptcy hearing and the heart procedure.

When you get down here to sunny Florida we'll have to get together sometime. I'm going to have a nude cookout/pool party at my place soon. Maybe I'll see you then.

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[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have to have a heart catheterization tomorrow (Tuesday) at 11 AM . It doesn't sound like fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is no fun, but it does not cause any pain.
You might help prepare yourself by shaving at the right side of your genitals. They insert the catheter usually in the artery about an inch from your genitalia on your right side.

One good thing about being a nudist, you will not go ballistic with embarrassement when the doctor and two nurses see your genitals for a half hour, and when the nurse compresses the wound for a while with her hand next to your genitals after the catheter is removed, to insure no big bleeding from the small opening that had previously been made to inset the catheter.

Good luck, Jon-Marc.

Doug,

That sounds good. I'm sorry I wasn't able to help you out by renting the room as I planned, but God is working out something even better for me! In His wisdom and omnipotence He looked ahead and saw what I couldn't.

David,

I was hoping I could lie there nude. I tried to get them to do that when I had my carpal tunnel surgery. The building was hot although it was cold outside. I remember I wore sweats because of the weather. At least I was able to remove my shirt which helped. Then the nurse put a sheet over me which made me even hotter. I said I didn't need the sheet because I was already too hot. She said, "It's either that or remove all your clothes." I said, "I have no problem with that since I live in a nudist resort." Unfortunately the sheet stayed on me and so did the sweat pants. As for any shaving I think I will leave that up to the nurse. At least I hope a female nurse does it http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. At least I don't have to worry about getting aroused since I'm past that http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

[OZJames]

Hi Jon-Marc, my wife had a cathetarization about three weeks ago. She was in hospital nearly two weeks until they figured out what to do. The medicos "ablated" some nerves in her heart to make it beat properly. She came out of hospital and was told to take it easy for a week so she expected to be 100% fit after that. Unfortunatly the Doctors didn't tell her that her full strength wouldn't return for a month. We only found that out by talking to a friends friend who had it done a year or so ago.

She is now feeling good again and we are again walking up in the hills on our farm http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (not nude yet as its still cold at night)

When in hospital waiting for the Docs to work things out we smuggled red wine in in a Vacuum flask and she had a glass (cup) every night with her rather unpalatable hospital dinner. Red wine is good for the heart http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">At least I don't have to worry about getting aroused since I'm past that . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe the side effect of your high blood pressure medicine is causing your "limpisity" http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

No, David, I've been like that for years. Men in my family lose that ability starting in their 30's. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

However, the man who was going to buy my RV so I could move to Florida has changed his mind. Now my plans are "up in the air".

[jon71]

Jon-Mark. Talk to a doctor about e.d. Medical advances are treating and curing things at an amazing pace. Things that couldn't be treated a few years ago and a piece of cake for doctors now.

Well, Jon, it doesn't really matter. I don't believe in sex with someone I'm not married to and can live without it.

[jon71]

I didn't mean to offend, just saying don't give up hope on good health. No need to answer publicly but do you know the cause? If the problem is circulatory in nature it could be a symptom of something that would leave you at risk for a heart attack. If you know and feel it's not necessary to treat that's obviously your call. I would consider it risky to guess that it's harmless without a doctor (or two) saying so.

[David77]

Hey Jon-Marc,
Tell us all about your experience this morning getting your heart catherization.

Also, what were the results of the test, or do you have to wait to go back to the doctor to be told the results?

Of course, you may, contrary to your past posts, refuse to discuss it with us.

OK. Tuesday I went to a hospital in Battle Creek, MI where they did the heart catheterization and found a blocked arterie. I was sent by ambulance to Borgess Hospital in Kalamazoo, MI where they put in a stent to open the blocked arterie. I am now on Plavix once a day to keep it from closing back up. I'm not looking forward to seeing what all this cost! My insurance isn't paying everything. One bill I got was $161 after insurance.

Some things are not too clear in my head because of whatever they used on me so I wouldn't feel whatever was being done. However, some things I do remember. I remember them repeatedly saying something about keeping me covered "for privacy". I told them I wasn't concerned about privacy since I live in a nudist resort. I mentioned that fact to everyone I came into contact with at both hospitals. I heard one female voice say,"There's a lady present." Aren't nurses used to seeing male genitals? Anyway, I said in reply, "I don't have enough to embarrass anyone with." http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Everyone at Borgess was extremely friendly and caring except for making me stay covered for "privacy" http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. I'm sure I was "exposed" at times and didn't care, or wouldn't have had I known about it. When I got home I noticed in the mirror that most of my pubic hair had been shaved off. I vaguely remember someone doing that. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I have an x-ray of "before" and "after", and I can really see quite a difference. In the "before" photo you can't even see an arterie, and in the "after" photo there's a very clear and open arterie.

I had my son-in-law drop me off at the office when he brought me home yesterday. I spent the night at Borgess. I walked about half a mile to my RV and felt NO pain for the first time in months! I'm going to be getting back to walking because I miss it.

I've also been put on a strict diet of low sodium, low fat, and low cholesterol. I have absolutely no idea what I can eat. That pretty much leaves out everything I like. My cholesterol is over 200, and my triglycerides (whatever that is) should be under 200, but it's around 900!

I just checked the food I have here, and it's all high in sodium so I have nothing to eat! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I have a lot of stuff to give away and let someone else get fat http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. I won't throw away perfectly good food just because it's high in salt, fat or sugar--none of which I can have. I have to completely change my eating habits, and that won't be easy because I'm a junk food junkie. I will have to check the nutritional content of everything I buy, and I hate having to do that.

[pek1]

Jon-Marc,

I'll be praying for you, my brother!


Pete

[David77]

Jon-Marc,
I am absolutely thrilled, ecstatic, about your health care and improvement. I am so glad that a heart bypass operation was not necessary. My wife had a quadruple heart bypass operation some years ago, which was very helpful, but was quite an ordeal.

The heart artery stints they insert these days are much better than the stints they inserted not long ago, as now they coat the stints with a substance which make them function much better.

You will get used to your new way of eating and will find that there are a lot of tasty, nutritious foods that are low in fat, salt, calories, and cholesterol. Medication, like Lipitor, etc. will also help lower your cholesterol.

The dietician at the hospital can help guide you on your food choices, if you have a consultation with her. You could even ask her questions over the telephone which she probably would be glad to answer.

You have gained better health and now maybe you can be motivated to exercise. I am so glad for you. Best wishes.

[OZJames]

Jon - Marc, it's great to hear that you are fixed up. A woman in the next bed to my wife had a stink (or is it stent) put in and she said that the day before she felt terrible and the day after she felt fantastic. Hope its the same for you.

You will soon find that there is loads of YUMMY food that you can eat that is low salt and low fat. Perhaps you will lose a bit of weight and that will make you feel even better.

We can all be thankfull for modern medical science

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[NudeAl]

Good to hear your still going to be around and kicking Jon-Marc. I know what you mean about having a tough time trying to find foods to eat that fall in that guideline. In the summer it is a bit easier with all the fresh vegies and fruits. But don't give up get educated buy a book or two on healthy cooking. I hope you get enjoy your new lease on life.

I found it extremely difficult to find anything that is low, fat, low sugar, low cholesterol, and low salt. I bought some fish, some fresh veges and a LOT of fresh fruit. I gave away or sold all my high fat and high salt foods. I bought whole wheat bread, which has a lot less fat in it than what I've been eating.

Although the eating directions I was given said that juices are high in sugar, I didn't see anything in mine that said that; sugar was the last ingredient listed. I drink 1/2% milk, which is just slightly more than skim; I'm used to it.

I am now on Plavix for the stent that was inserted, Prilosec for acid reflux, blood pressure and cholesterol pills. I'm turning into my parents http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif! They carried a small suitcase just for their medications when they went on vacation.

[PascoDoug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
I found it extremely difficult to find anything that is low, fat, low sugar, low cholesterol, and low salt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mustard is good.

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[BareDebCNA]

Jon-Marc,
COngrats on moving to Florida. God will tell you when He wants you to make that move. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Hope your health improves and that you recover quickly. I'll be praying for you.
Deb from MT

[Trailscout]

Jon Marc, My prayers are with you for a speedy recovery and learning a new way of living.

I had to cut back on salt, too. When I buy raw food and cook it myself it starts out with no salt. Then I control how much salt goes in. When you buy what someone else has cooked, who knows how heavy their hand was with the saltshaker? I use a product called "No Salt", which tastes like salt, but is better for you.

Walking is a great thing to do. I am glad you feel up to it again.

I hope you find someone to buy your mobile home soon. Maybe you could sell it on Ebay or something. Sure would be nice to spend the winter in Florida, wouldn't it?

[Nudeinbama]

Jon-Marc,
I'm glad to hear your're getting your health back in shape. My dad has been through much of what you're being faced with,Heart and circulatory problems,on top of losing his wife of 40 years to cancer and, it has been tough on him, especially mom passing and his having to change his eating habits so drastically, but I'm glad to say, I think he's very happy and healthy now, feeling good and looking forward to each day again. I hope all the best for you and hope it works out like you want on your move to Florida. I sure wish we could too.
nudeinbama

[Ben_m]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
However, the man who was going to buy my RV so I could move to Florida has changed his mind. Now my plans are "up in the air". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sounds like you've been having 'a time', Jon-Marc. I hadn't realized. I guess I've been reading the wrong threads. Glad to hear you're feeling better and I hope things continue to get sorted out for you.

[dashaug]

Haven't heard much about your move to Florida, what is going on? How did the bankrupty court go? Hope all goes well.

[OZJames]

Jon-Marc, the internet is a wonderfull source of information about food. Try "googling" "low fat recipes", "low salt recipes" etc. It must be hard living on your own, its so tempting to duck up to the local cafe/resturant etc for a quick easy dinner.

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OK, here's the latest update. This coming Sunday the papers will be signed for the new occupant to take over my RV, and I will be on my way to Florida. I should arrive there Tuesday or Wednesday depending on whether I leave here Sunday or Monday.

I will be offline for a while. I have no idea when I will have my own Internet service in Florida, but I think I will be able to use the computer in the B&B home there. They let me use it when I was there in June.

With my chest pain gone and my bankruptcy settled, I'm ready to go!

[nakednudists]

Jon-Marc, where in Florida are you moving. Sorry, I didn't catch the other updates.

[Nudeinbama]

Wonderful, Jon-Marc. I hope the move goes smooth for you. You could'nt have much for clothes to pack, Huh?
Nudeinbama

It's in Hudson at Natura. No, I have very few clothes to pack. I think I've got more towels than clothes. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Al Bundy]

Glad everything is going your way Jon-Marc. We will miss your comments while you are in transit. I am sure you are going to miss those Michigan winters. Lot's of luck in your new life and will look forward to hearing how everything is going.

No, Al, I won't miss the cold, ice and snow here at all. However, there seems to be a little snag. I called the man to whom I've made payments for this RV for the last 18 months to let him know that someone else would be making the last 6 payments and then would be paying me after that.

He said, "That's not the way it was set up. the contract says that you have to sell it outright and send me the rest of what you owe me." That may not be it word for word, but it's close enough. He seems very upset that I was selling it that way, but I haven't been able to find anyone to buy it, and this man can only make payments and can't get a mortgage. He probably couldn't get a mortgage on a 20-year-old RV anyway.

I don't have a copy of the contract, the man to whom I've been making payments says he doesn't have a copy. The Resort manager says he doesn't have a copy. So what happened to what I signed? If there's no copy available to prove his claim that I have to sell it outright and pay him off, then there's no way he can protest the way I'm selling it. I told him that he would get his money, and that I didn't understand what difference it made whether he gets it from me or someone else as long as he gets it. Some people can be such @#%^&*~! Insert whatever word(s) you want there.

[David77]

Jon-Marc,
How about you continue to make the last six months payments (as per contract between you and the seller) from the money the new buyer sends you each month while you are in Florida?

I think that the seller does not want to trust the new buyer to make the payments owed him, but prefers to trust you, as per contract.

This way you probably would be honoring your contract made between you and the seller.

I don't know about Michigan law, but is this a "bond for deed" which maybe is recorded at the county court house? I may be way off base here about the "bond for deed" aspect.

No, David, he's made it quite clear. I cannot sell it and no one else can move in until he gets all his money. I don't have $2,237 and can't get it, and I don't think the man who wanted it can either.

Anyway, I've made a decision--albeit a rather costly one. There is no guarantee that I will be able to sell this place even next year if I was forced to stay here and finish paying it off, and I have no desire to be here through another Michigan when I have a new RV waiting for me in Florida.

Sunday when the four of us (including the manager/owner) get together, if he insists that I cannot sell without paying him off then I will tell him that he can have it back. He can pay the $219 lot rent until he's able to re-sell it, and I doubt if that will be this year. Only someone who wants to live in it full-time will buy it this late in the year. He will have to pay the lot rent until next year when he might find a buyer, and not oo many people will be such a sucker as I was and pay what he wants for it. Everyone (except the manager who is his friend) told me that I paid way too much. Not knowing the vaue of RV's I wouldn't have and didn't know and paid what he asked after the manager said it was a reasonable price.

I will just write off what I've paid him as rent. People rent and don't get anything in return except a place to live anyway. I WILL move to Florida this next week, and I will NOT be forced to stay here until it's paid for, which would be next February. I have no idea how long it would take to sell it again, or if I ever would. I had to sell it for $2,500 less than I got it for in order to sell it, and I owe almost that much on it.

Just call it one of life's learning experiences. I learned that I should THOROUGHLY read a contract before signing it noo matter what my future intentions are.

I will ask if it will be OK if the man moves in and pays me, and I will send the final 6 payments to the present owner. If he says no then I will tell him what he can do with the RV--politely of course. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I have no idea what a "bond for deed" is. I signed a contract in the manager's office here at the resort, and I've paid directly to the owner and not to a bank or whatever. My bankruptcy lawyer said it was a "rent to own".

[NakedGary]

Well what’s the difference if the new renter [future owner] gives you a monthly check and you pay the owner till it’s paid, then you transfer the ownership to the new renter/owner.

Just call the new renter a roommate until it’s paid off. That’s probably not in the contract.

Why would the owner care who's in the trailer as long as he gets his monthly check from you until the contract is met.

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[PascoDoug]

Jon-Marc,

There's no sense in you losing your a$$ over this.

I think you, your buyer and your landlord need to all get together and come up with a plan you can all agree on. Get it in writing and have everyone sign it (with witnesses).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NakedGary:

Why would the owner care who's in the trailer as long as he gets his monthly check from you until the contract is met.

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That's what I asked him, but he just repeated himself, "That's not the way it was set up in the contract."

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PascoDoug:
Jon-Marc,

I think you, your buyer and your landlord need to all get together and come up with a plan you can all agree on. Get it in writing and have everyone sign it (with witnesses). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We will be doing that this coming Sunday when the manager/owner (one of the four owners) returns from wherever he went.

[Nu]

Perhaps, one of the apparent 4 owners has a copy of the contract.

In the absence of any copy of the contract, perhaps some middle of the road agreement can be made between you and the owners?

Is there a court or arbitration commitee system in the U.S. that you could take your position (argument ) too?

[luvnaturism]

Jon-Marc -

I'm sorry that you are having still another problem as you're trying to get to Florida. Nude living is supposed to be stress-free, and I don't think you're having that right now.

I agree with Doug. Money is not so easy to come by that you should be in a hurry to throw some of it away. This is a time to negotiate, not give up.

There are two facts that stand out in what you have told about the situation.

The first is that no one so far has been able to produce the contract with original signatures. Oral contracts can be enforced sometimes, but everyone agrees that this wasn't an oral contract. Until the document is brought forward, I don't see how the seller can enforce it. Point for you.

But your seller has a point also. When I have sold something for payments, I've always investigated the buyer to find out whether I would be likely to get my money. When I was satisfied, I made a deal with that person and that person only. I never would have allowed my buyer to call me up and say, "Joe Blow will make the rest of my payments." The suggestion that you agree to keep making the payments is a good one. You can use the money that you get from your buyer for that purpose.

Also, are you so sure that your seller would be stuck if he took the mobile home back? It sounds as though you have made enough payments that he could take it back, reduce the price by half, and still do better than if you completed the contract.

So I suggest that this is a time for negotiating. Do you have a friend who is experienced in this sort of thing who would be willing to act on your behalf? Working through an intermediary is a powerful negotiating tactic. That's why no one can ever deal directly with the person at the dealership who is authorized to approve the purchase of your next car.

Finally, never go alone into a negotiating situation where it's likely to be 2 or 3 against one. If the manager of the park is going to be in that meeting, then you really do need someone else with you.

Good luck.

All I can do at this point is to wait until Sunday to see how things go. I do have someone who has offered to borrow the money to loan to me to pay off the seller. I will go that route if necessary. He said to contact him after the meeting and let him know. It's that or stay here through another winter and lose out on the good deal I have waiting for me in Florida on that RV.

Well, it's Sunday and all is well! After all the postponements and setbacks, I will actually be leaving for Florida this week!

My only problem is the lack of money. I can either go this week and struggle through the rest of this month until I get my retirement check next month, or wait until the first of next month. However, the new guy is as anxious to move in here as I am to move to Florida. I can manage until September 1st. I've waited so long for this move that I don't want to wait any longer.

[David77]

Jon-Marc,
I am glad to hear that all went well with your meeting today.

Best wishes in your new location in Florida.

[NudeAl]

Hey congratulations!

I went out to The Swallows and found a place that I really like and the wife likes it to. Only thing is she isn't sold on the idea of living in a nudist resort. Among her many arguments is that our 22 year old son and his young bride, who is expecting by the way, won't come visit us in a nudist resort. Even if they don't have to get naked if they are just coming over to visit us. I say they should just get over it and grow up already.

That and if I have to go over to Iraq again she would be all off on her own cause The Swallows is about 50 miles south of where we live now. So whe would be cut off from her friends up here.

Oh well, I'll keep working on her wish me luck.

[luvnaturism]

Yes, I'm very pleased for you. Often things really do work out for the best.

I noticed the comments about your retirement check, including the assumption made by David77 that it's coming in the mail. Hopefully you're receiving that by ETF, in which case your move won't matter. It will still come into your account as it always has.

[Al Bundy]

Glad to hear everything is a go Jon-Marc. You are a lucky man that you can accomplish your dream of living in a clothes free resort in a warm climate. I envy you. Lot's of luck in your move and we are looking forward to hearing how life is treating you in the sunshine state.

Well, here I am in Florida. It took about 19 hours of driving--15 of which I did on Tuesday. I left Michigan at 6 AM Tuesday and arrived here around 11 AM on Wednesday.

I had a very uneventful trip except for one traffic jam. Of course, I drove nude all the way except for the four times I had to get out of the car.

I'm temporarily using their phone line, which ties up the phone, and I will have to keep this short. I'm staying temporarily in the B&B until my RV is ready.

[David77]

Jon-Marc,
Hurrah! That is quite a triumph, after all the hurdles you overcame, vanquished. It shows a lot of determination in leaving Michigan at 6 AM and getting to Hudson Florida in 19 hours of driving, with only four rest stops. It is interesting that you were able to make the journey in a day and a half.

When you feel that you have more computer time, you will have to change the location information under your pool shooting nude avatar, from Union City, Michigan to your new location in Florida.

I hope your new living quarters are ready soon.

[luvnaturism]

Jon-Marc has more ability to pass rest areas than I have! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm temporarily using their phone line, which ties up the phone, and I will have to keep this short. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From your above statement, I am trying to remember how this phone line situation may work. I think it is this way;

If a person calls someone on the (B&B) same phone line on which the computer is also connected, then the computer automatically disconnects, so that the phone call will come through regardless.

If a person has subscribed to "call waiting" and turns it on, then the phone caller will get a busy signal, and you continue merrily using the computer, unaware that someone tried to call in.

But no one could call out while you are using the computer, if the computer is on the same phone line.

[PascoDoug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
From your above statement, I and trying to remember how this phone line situation may work. I think it is this way </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually if the line does not have call waiting, the caller will get a busy signal if someone is online. However if a line has call waiting active the computer will be disconnected from the internet if someone calls in.

Of course call waiting can be disabled when dialing out by adding " *70, " in front of the access number - example: *70,555-1234

I'm using the *70. I get online after office hours. Thanks for the reminder, David; I forgot about that.

[Ben_m]

Good news, Jon-Marc! Congrats!

[johny]

REhttp://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifavid77 ""If a person calls someone on the same phone line on which the computer is also connected, then the computer automatically disconnects""

On those mid-last century lines yes. But on the modern age lines named "DSL connection" You may as speak as computering and no interreaction between it. Sad, but DSL line is little bit expensiver (about twice- of course, he he). However its a best way to install it because in that case You pay for internet traffic about 10 TIMES cheaper, and it works few times quicker.

But my choice for home is TV cable (at work I have optical cable until house and then coupled pair). Because then I pay nothing for traffic, only about 20 USD monthly for rent a line.

Parallel choices are mobile connection through IRDA via GPRS but it was extremely lazy connection and bill run extra high.

Or pay a radiolink, but it is expensive - about 1600 USD monthly - so need to find other people to share a channel. Theoretically exists even a straight space-satellite connection, but those firms renting an access says it cost about 7000 USD monthly so I suspect them just speculate. It cannot be so expensive, the same the radiolink is surely overpriced too.

Additionally in England I heard exist a connection via normal electric network, using the fact that inner resistance of ~220 V line for the frequency 50 Hz is near the zero Ohms, but for all other frequencies it is many kiloOhms or even MegaOhms. It means that line can be used be modulated with high frequency signal by just some miliwatt transmitter and receiver in other end of town may detect those signals. But at us this system still is unavailable, because of condensator filters in every power transformer point, and LatvEnergo have no will to dismount them.

[David77]

Johny,
Thanks for the very knowledgeable information.

I have never had a regular computer on a phone line. I have had only a WebTv on a regular phone line, and in that case you have to pay the phone company a few dollars a month for "call waiting" service, if you want it. I still keep the WebTv so that I can keep all my web pages I made on the WebTv service.

However, I hardly ever use my WebTv now, but instead, I regularly use my regular computer on cable service as it is so fast and gives some better advantages.

[nakednudists]

Jon-Marc, I was just curious. If you drive naked, what do you do if you get pulled over or you are in an accident? Just had to ask because if you are in a situation like that, you might not have time to dress and other people would probably be confused.
In any event, welcome to the sunshine state!

[shãybare]

http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Glad you made it to FL and hope you will be all set up shortly. I agree that you now need a new avatar. As always, All my best.

[David77]

Jon-Marc,
I do not agree that you need a new avatar. I think the one you have is really splendid, truly unique.

[Nudeinbama]

Congrats on your move JonMarc.I hope you'll be settled in soon and enjoying my favorite state, even if I can't claim it as where I live.I'm sure you'll love Florida soon, too.Have fun and enjoy.
Nudeinbama

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nakednudists:
Jon-Marc, I was just curious. If you drive naked, what do you do if you get pulled over or you are in an accident? Just had to ask because if you are in a situation like that, you might not have time to dress and other people would probably be confused.
In any event, welcome to the sunshine state! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It hasn't happened yet, and I'm not one to worry about what MIGHT and probably WON'T happen. If I waste my time worrying over a POSSIBLE problem, I would stay indoors for fear of what might happen. Live life, take a few risks to enhance your love of being nude, or stay safe and miss out on some great nude moments. I've done that ALL my life even before I got into social nudism. I was nude in places where nudity wasn't acceptable and nearly but never got caught. Had I worried about getting caught, I would have missed out on a LOT of great opportunities to be nude. Born nude, live nude, and die nude.

[NudeAl]

Congrats on the move Jon-Marc. I know you are going to love the warmer climate espcially this winter. I may never got to realize that dream though I will continue to go on the weekends. I'm glad you made it down there.

Hey! It sure is HOT down here! No, I don't mean down THERE! I mean in Florida http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. I can't remember the last time I've seen so many days in the 90's. Actually I can--NEVER! Michigan doesn't get this hot, and I LOVE it! I do have a problem with the humidity though, and I haven't been able to do much walking because of it. I was wondering tonight that if I drowned myself with Deep Woods Off or some other good bug spray, would it keep the blood sucking insects off of me so that I could go out walking at night with a good flashlight (It's DARK out there!) and manage to return with most of my blood still in my veins? I went out early in the evening, and I just barely made it back to the house alive. The critters were debating on whether to eat me there or take me with them! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW, to those of you who have been in Florida long enough to know, does it rain EVERY day here? I was told it does, and from what I've seen I would have to agree.

[OZJames]

Contrats on the move Jon-Marc - I hope you can work out how to go walking at night without being carried away. We love nude walking at night on our farm - one of the great pleasures in our life.

How many acres do you have to walk around in ?

http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <span class="ev_code_RED">JAMES</span> http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Nu]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
I was wondering tonight that if I drowned myself with Deep Woods Off or some other good bug spray, would it keep the blood sucking insects off of me so that I could go out walking at night with a good flashlight (It's DARK out there!) and manage to return with most of my blood still in my veins? I went out early in the evening, and I just barely made it back to the house alive. The critters were debating on whether to eat me there or take me with them! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Are these mosquitos?
If so, the Deep Woods Off should do the job.
Cool weather may kill some insects, also.
Good luck.

Congratulations on your move to Florida.
When its minus 40 here in the winter, I will think of you-down in the heat country.

[Trailscout]

Hi Jon-Marc!

The humidity in your part of Florida does get lower later in the year. You will be able to resume vigorous walks in the cool of the morning before too long.

A lot of people have screened-in porches so they can enjoy being outdoors without getting bitten. Almost every yard in Orlando seems to have a screen house or attached porch for cooking out or just relaxing.

Even down in Central Florida, there are frosty mornings in the coldest part of winter, so I hope you did not throw away your coat and sweater.

I love that time of year in Florida, because all the citrus fruits are ripe.

We have had daily rains here for a while, but Florida's daily showers are even more dependable in the summer months. You try to get your outdoor errands done in the morning to avoid the big daily storms. By the way, you might want to pull all the plugs on your computer during those storms, including the phone line. Central Florida has more lightning than most places on Earth.

But there are not too many negatives to Florida living. I still think you did yourself a huge favor by moving south.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nu:

Are these mosquitos? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, they were. I just didn't know how to spell it and was too lazy to look it up. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Nu]

The Deep Woods Off is highly regarded.

Another factor is that after putting on the above lotion, a person can hear the sound of the mosquitos, they fly around you, and may even land.
The lotion protects, but the mind can take over under the above conditions and the fear of bites remains.
Move on confidently, re-apply or add more lotion if you do get bitten.

A certain type of mosquito (culex tarsalus) can cause West Nile Disease which can be potentially fatal.
However, a local health authority will monitor this and require the local government to spray to kill these pests.

Mosquitos are more than an inconvenience here in Florida, people are getting sick and dying.

From the local paper:

Aug 20, 2005
More West Nile Cases Verified In Pinellas
By DAVID SOMMER


CLEARWATER - Three more Pinellas County residents have tested positive for West Nile virus, and mosquito-borne diseases are turning up in animal populations across the state.

``Mosquito-borne illnesses are entirely preventable, so it's imperative that people take precautions,'' state Department of Health spokeswoman Lindsay Hodges said Friday.

Pinellas, Polk and Pasco counties, along with Gadsden and Leon counties in the Panhandle, are under medical alert because residents have been infected with West Nile virus or the similar but more often lethal Eastern equine encephalitis, Hodges said.

A 16-month-old Wesley Chapel girl and a 4-year-old Polk County boy tested positive for Eastern equine this month. Health officials have said both are recovering.

Eastern equine encephalitis, which has flulike symptoms similar to those of West Nile virus but is fatal in up to a third of cases, has been detected in 45 of Florida's 67 counties, including Hillsborough and Pinellas, according to state health records.

West Nile, which on Friday was confirmed to have stricken a 78-year- old woman and two men, ages 40 and 55, in Pinellas County, has been detected in 19 Florida counties, health records show. It also has been detected in bird populations in Hillsborough and Polk counties.

State and local health officials on Friday would not list locations for the human infections. Mosquito-borne illnesses bounce back and fourth between wild birds and mosquitoes and can spread quickly, so geographic locations are not relevant, said Hodges and Pinellas County Health Department spokeswoman Jeannine Mallory.

``Mosquitoes don't know neighborhoods,'' Mallory said.

As of Friday, 40 Pinellas County sentinel chickens had tested positive for West Nile, said Nancy Page, mosquito control program manager. County records show most of those chickens were stationed near the Intracoastal Waterway between Clearwater and St. Petersburg.

Health officials were stressing the need to take precautions against being bitten by mosquitoes, especially at dusk and dawn.

In addition to wearing long pants and long-sleeve shirts, people should use a repellent containing DEET and clear yards of standing water where mosquitoes can breed.

Repellent should be applied to exposed skin and on clothing. Alternatives to DEET include repellents that contain Picaridin or oil of lemon eucalyptus, but the latter should not be used on children younger than 3. DEET is not recommended for children younger than 2 months.

[Nu]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
Mosquitos are more than an inconvenience here in Florida, people are getting sick and dying.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the advice, Cyndiannaked.
We all need to be careful, regardless of our location.

[Nudeinbama]

Very informative post Cyndyannaked,
Thanks, Nudeinbama

Some counties in Calif.(i've heard of Sacramento and Stanislaus)have begun spraying programs because of cases of West Nile...

The areas around the already infected people are getting sprayed every day and everyone is getting it at least once a week. It's now a huge faux pas to have anything laying around that has sitting water in it, especially right now in rainy season.

The good part is that the mosquitos are only out at sunset and sunrise. Late at night it's ok.