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[JayFromFLA]

The WORLD record for the most roller coaster rides au naturale. Notice this is held by our friends from Oz. Let's get on the ball America!! Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, Kumba coaster this summer! What do you say?

Sky News, Australia Story (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13101336,00.html)

http://tinypic.com/4eg7

[JayFromFLA]

The WORLD record for the most roller coaster rides au naturale. Notice this is held by our friends from Oz. Let's get on the ball America!! Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, Kumba coaster this summer! What do you say?

Sky News, Australia Story (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13101336,00.html)

http://tinypic.com/4eg7

[JonR]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JayFromFLA:
The WORLD record for the most roller coaster rides au naturale. Notice this is held by our friends from Oz. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Er, well, no - Thorpe Park is in Surey, here in the UK actually /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jon. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[MichaelJB]

They shouldve been able to be nude when the public was there, that wouldve really shown people that nudity was normal and accepted, but just like put a big sign outside the park indicating that nude people would be there so there wouldnt be any surprises.

[Danee]

I applaud the park for sure! Now, to get Disney involved!

[JayFromFLA]

I am so sorry about mistaking the UK for Australia in this story. I think the newspaper was Australian, so I just assumed. Thanks for pointing that out.

Jason

[JayFromFLA]

Danee, call Disney and ask them! If it were for a charity, like in the story, maybe they would go for it? The number is 407-WDISNEY.

Anyway, honestly, I'd love to see something like this happen in our backyard.

[neanderpaul67]

I will have the icewater concession in Hades first, before Disney consents to that... is a funny thought though...would love to see that happen, but we can't even get a water park not to be afraid of it's own shadow... /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Zorro]

If Disney can have gay days, why not nude days?

[MichaelJB]

Hell, they cant even let ppl go without shirts in their park *except gays of course* so how r they gonna let ppl go nude there? Just curious /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[MichaelJB]

Just to let ya know,my previous post was about Disney, so no one gets confused.

[Zorro]

Good point. Obviously, it's not exactly the same thing, but if they can have a day specifically for one group of people, why not for another? It's just a thought...

[MichaelJB]

Yeah but those people are so twisted they probably think gays r okay but nudists areint, I get what youre saying I just dont know if they would go for it. They really need to figure something out cuz ive heard theyre losin money.

[Daz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MichaelJB:
Yeah but those people are so twisted they probably think gays r okay but nudists areint, I get what youre saying I just dont know if they would go for it. They really need to figure something out cuz ive heard theyre losin money. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>MichaelJB IMHO your reply is loaded with homophobia and I find it impossible to give respect to you or your comments. You must take the 'fun' out of 'funpark' mustn't you?

[MichaelJB]

Yeah well Disney has been doing pretty crappy lately and having those gay days and building that california adventures and making their entrance look like fort knox kinda makes people a lil squeemish about going there. I dunno I just think theyve got alot of problems. Nudism would help em out alot though but theyre so dumb theyd support homosexuals having a day there but would somehow think that nudists are bad for their reputation, which isnt very good to begin with. Kind of hard to ruin a reputation when you need to have one before it can be ruined. They need someone more like Disney running the parks and not that idiot Eisner cuz all he is interested in is MONEY! He doesnt seem to give a damn about what Walt tried to do with Disney and having gay days shows that really well.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MichaelJB:
He doesnt seem to give a damn about what Walt tried to do with Disney and having gay days shows that really well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Your ignorance is showing.

Disney never held "Gay Days" at any of its theme parks. Starting in 1991 a gay and lesbian organization decided to visit Disney World in Florida in mass. No permission was sought or granted. In following years the event grew, and while never organized, sponsored or sanctioned by Disney, the park did recognize the group and cooperated to make the days better for everyone.

Today Gay Days are very profitable for the entire Orlando business community. A few thousand bluenose homophobes boycotting Disney, Universal and Busch Gardens doesn't even make a dent in the millions of dollars that Gay Days brings to the community.

What Disney did to raise the ire of the Southern Baptist Convention and others was refuse to discriminate against well behaved paying customers as demanded by some church leaders. Sound familiar? That is exactly what happened to us, except that the Waterpark in California buckled under to prejudice. If only they had as much spine as Disney.

-Mark

Thanks Mark.

That boy gets things so wrong I can't believe he has a brain sometimes.

[MichaelJB]

Yeah but they still support it cuz they let them come into the park and spread their nonsense about, if they really didnt like it they could always kick them out or tell them they couldnt have their gay events there. Its still Disney's fault for allowing the thing to become what it is there. You just dont like what I say cuz im criticising homosexuality and thats something youll do anything in your power to prevent me from doing. Typical homosexual attitude.

[MichaelJB]

I dont think that its right just because the Gay Days makes tons of money that this should mean that they oughta have it there because it still doesnt get past the fact that Gay Days is immoral and Disney could make money tons of other ways. I hardly think theyd lose money just by not having some special event for homosexuals. Besides if the homosexuals get a special day then why dont the nudists, atheists, animal right people and every other minority group out there get a special day for themselves???????? I dont think thats very fair.

[Naturist Mark]

Disney didn't 'give them' anything.

You can have your own 'Homophobe Days' at Disney if you like. Just get a bunch of homophobes to agree to go to the park en mass. You don't need permission from Disney anymore than the 'Gay Days' organizers did.

Of course you homophobes will have to follow park rules and behave, just as the 'Gay Days' visitors do. No traditional homophobe activities like beating up 'fems' or stuffing them in a locker, or pushing them into the dirt, or draggin them behind your pickup truck. OK?

-Mark

[MichaelJB]

Yeah but obviously Disney even though they dont support gay days financially, they still allow them to come into the park and have no problems with an immoral group of people coming in and spewing their garbage all around. Even if these guys did break the rules disney would just turn a blind eye to them because they dont wanna upset the homosexual crowd, I mean god forbid we even try to question their lifestyle or say that its immoral because theyd come around and yell at us all day and say how discriminatory and untolerant we are.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MichaelJB:
Yeah but obviously Disney even though they dont support gay days financially, they still allow them to come into the park <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Let's call a moratorium on starting any sentence with the words 'Yeah but'.

On what grounds would Disney be able to prevent homosexuals from entering the park? Would they give everyone a 'gay test' at the entrance? LOL

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>and have no problems with an immoral group of people coming in and spewing their garbage all around. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What spewing? Have you been to Disney World during Gay Days? Did you see any spewing?

What did those awful gay people do to you to create such hatred?

-Mark

[MichaelJB]

Disney could prevent the group from conducting its activities there, it couldnt keep individual people from coming in that were gay though but it shouldnt allow such immoral events to take place at a family oreinted park because that ruins the image of it and offends alot of people who want to bring their children to a happy and wholesome place free of offensive and harmful material.

[MichaelJB]

I am not being hateful to anyone, I just dont think that Gay Festivals or Events are appropriate for a family oreinted theme park. If they wanna go promote their garbage then they should go to some private gay club or something and enjoy their homosexuality there away from people who find them offensive.

[Naturist Mark]

Ummmm, Mike? They aren't in the park 'enjoying their homosexuality'. They are doing all the same things anyone does at an amusement park. There are no 'gay activities' for Disney to prohibit.

Unless you mean things like 'being on a ride while gay', or 'having your picture taken with Goofy while gay' or 'waiting for hours in long lines while gay', or 'breathing air while gay'. Are these the unwholesome activities that so piss you off?

-Mark

[MichaelJB]

How do you know they dont do anything there? Ive heard stuff on the news about them doing illicit stuff there, heck I even heard they allowed some of them to be naked either in the park or somewhere near it. Cmon do you really think these guys are gonna go to a disney park and actually act normal for a whole day? I hear about all sorts of stuff homosexual people do that really ticks people off.

[MichaelJB]

I dont know if any of this stuff about homosexuals at Disney is true *probably is* but I just dont think its in their best interest to let a big group of people that other people know are obviously gay into the park to do who knows what and especially in front of children. I mean if you just had 1 or 2 gays there then you wouldnt know there was even anyone gay there unless they did something but letting a huge group of people in that are obviously gay and letting them run amok around children is just nuts.

Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they can't control themselves. Gays don't have public sex. Stop trashing people you don't know anything about.

Many of the gays bring their own children with them. Get the stereotypes out of your head. Kids are totally safe around gay people, probably even safer.

[MichaelJB]

Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they can't control themselves. Gays don't have public sex. Stop trashing people you don't know anything about.
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Some cant though, thats the whole point and its too much of a risk to have when children and families are involved. I do know about homosexuals, all too well and ive been scared by half the stuff ive seen, its immoral and disgusting. You can usually tell if someone is gay by how they act in public and they dont bother to act normal because they think acting gay is normal and thus dont give a damn. They might not have sex in public but some of the things that they do there are almost as bad and besides even if they do it in private I wouldnt wanna have a kid and be around someone that I know who does that sort of thing in his/her spare time, i would worry for the kid's saftey.

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Many of the gays bring their own children with them. Get the stereotypes out of your head.
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I feel sorry for their kids. I mean how can children who grow up adopted by homosexuals have a functional life when they dont even have both a mother and father? Also they cannot grow up normal because they are brought up with homosexual values that twist their minds and they end up being gay, doing drugs, having underage sex and engaging in criminal activity. I dont think thats something people want for the children in our society.

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Kids are totally safe around gay people, probably even safer.
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I think what I said above proves otherwise.

[Bob S.]

Mike, are you sure you are not Sandy? If I replace the term "gay" for "nudist", it would sound very much like something she would say.

Anyway, getting back to the original story, last night on "The Tonight Show" Jay Leno did a joke about it. He joshed that at first, it looked like the prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison had a field trip.

Bob S.

[MichaelJB]

Mike, are you sure you are not Sandy? If I replace the term "gay" for "nudist", it would sound very much like something she would say.
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Im just against homosexuality like she is against nudity. I just dont think homosexuality has any place on here because it makes nudism look bad and gives us a bad rep with other people who might visit here. I just think the people here should stop supporting it and flaming me just because I disagree with them.

[nordictoad2]

Michaeljb:

"Me thinkth you protest to much". Studies have shown a numbr of things in regards to homosexuality.

1st) (and most importantly) those that are the MOST homophobic are the same people fear themselves to be GAY!

2nd) Most child molesters were raised by "Straight" parents.

3rd) As a matter of FACT, most "homosexual" people were raised by straight parents. Therefore upbring has NOTHING to do with sexual tendency.

4rd) There is a area of the brain that is structually different in the heterosexual and homesexual individual. Most homeosexual are NOT as a result of choice, but nature.

Your ignorance and phobia are amazing. I will quote Thumper in Bambi, "If you can not say something nice about someone, say nothing at all".
Michael, this forum is NOT for your "flaming" of others, or political agenda, but for discussion of issues. I have a hint for you..... GO AWAY or you might catch someones "gayness". They are all around, according to some studies as much as 10 % of the population is homosexual. What does that mean? 1 out of EVERY 10 to 20 people you know might be GAY. Don't drink that water, it could have the GAY GENE in it. WARNING: They are after YOU Michael, they want YOU, "Lions, Tigers, and *****s OH MY!!!!"

[MichaelJB]

Michaeljb:

"Me thinkth you protest to much". Studies have shown a numbr of things in regards to homosexuality.
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Im not the one protesting here, you pro-homosexual people are the ones who are getting all nuts over the fact that my opinions differ from yours.

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1st) (and most importantly) those that are the MOST homophobic are the same people fear themselves to be GAY!
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I dont fear myself to be gay im straight and in full control of my feelings towards people. Im not the one with a mental illness here.

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2nd) Most child molesters were raised by "Straight" parents.
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Yeah but you still have a better chance not to become someone who breaks the law if you have a commited and functional family than one who is only single sex and probably not commited at all.

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3rd) As a matter of FACT, most "homosexual" people were raised by straight parents. Therefore upbring has NOTHING to do with sexual tendency.
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Maybe the straight parents just didnt give a damn if the child became gay and maybe they mentioned it or made the child aware of it and thats how they became gay, theres all sorts of ways that straight people could bring their kids up to be gay.

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4rd) There is a area of the brain that is structually different in the heterosexual and homesexual individual. Most homeosexual are NOT as a result of choice, but nature.
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Yeah its more like its because of a mental illness than anything else which could be cured by counseling.

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Your ignorance and phobia are amazing. I will quote Thumper in Bambi, "If you can not say something nice about someone, say nothing at all".
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Im not being phobic here and im not being ignorant. Youre the one who thinks im going nuts and youre the one who thinks im ignorant, I see myself as being quite sane and normal because im straight and im not trying to hump someone of the same sex or do drugs with him or try to marry him. I actually have several friends who are girls and who like me and guys DO NOT interest me.

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Michael, this forum is NOT for your "flaming" of others, or political agenda, but for discussion of issues.
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Im not flaming anyone and I have no agenda, political or otherwise. YOU are the one who is flaming me and you are the one who has the agenda to somehow legitimize homosexuality and be violent to anyone who disagrees with you.

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I have a hint for you..... GO AWAY or you might catch someones "gayness".
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Im not the one causing trouble here, youre the one that should go away because youre the one who supports homosexuality and thus demoralizes this forum and makes any sane person think twice about coming here because they know gay people are here and probably think that all nudists are gay and this is not something any of us want im sure, we got enough problems without any gay issues being thrown into the pot.


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They are all around, according to some studies as much as 10 % of the population is homosexual.
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So 90% *THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE* of people are straight, that hardly scares me.

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What does that mean? 1 out of EVERY 10 to 20 people you know might be GAY.
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So I just avoid them.

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Don't drink that water, it could have the GAY GENE in it. WARNING: They are after YOU Michael, they want YOU, "Lions, Tigers, and *****s OH MY!!!!"
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I dont think any water is gonna make me gay.

[Rex]

Hi Mike,

We gave you your very own soapbox, but unfortunately it has mysteriously disappeared.

Look elsewhere in this forum and you will find it has just as mysteriously reappeared.

[missouriboy]

"Let's call a moratorium on starting any sentence with the words 'Yeah but'."

OH no, let's don't! I find it very useful: When his posts begin with 'Yeah but' it signals that everything that follows can be skipped, because nothing new will be found there. It helps to save lots of time reading the forum! Try it, you'll see! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mike you are flaming gays. They don't do drugs anymore than straights do, they don't have public sex anymore than straights do.

Stop posting things you can't prove. Stop ignoring solid evidence that shows you are wrong.

[nudeM]

I think it is time to just simply ingore him, for we all know his views on gays. Wrong as his views are, he is just tying up threads, and in this case, hijacking. I do not particularly approve of the lifestyle, but it is not my intention, such as his, just try to convert everyone to change their views. Can't we just move along and forget about responding to him on this issue? All in favor, please signify by voting aye?

[shãybare]

aye

[NakedSteve]

Can't say I expected this conversation when i clicked.

P.S. Aye

[Sol-Searcher]

Oh yey, Oh yey..Does this mean I agree.

Your friend,
Randy

[MichaelJB]

I just do not want some burnt out old hippies trying to change the definition of marriage to meet their own selfish needs or agenda.

[Karen and Curt]

Mike,

I don't usually get involved in these debates, but I have to point something out here. As nudists, we constantly fall victim to the misperceptions of the general public of what we are about (oogling and fondling naked women and children, of course), what we do (group sex and orgies, without a doubt), etc., which we, as nudists know not to be true. But the perceptions persist because of ignorance, misinformation, and those that propagate these lies. To counteract this sad fact of life, most of us have adopted a live-and-let-live attitute about others that we wish that they would accept us by.

I think that you are unfairly doing to gays exactly what is done to nudists. You are forming opinions based on ignorance and misinformation, then getting mad at others because they won't follow along with your paranoia, while you should be thinking about how gays are not much different than nudists in the public eye (and no, this is not a comparison to back up your argument that we don't want gays associated with nudism because it gives us a bad name; it only means that we are both not looked at favorably by the general public). Actually, I think most people are more accepting of a gay man than a nudist man, so take a step back and think about how we can all work together to stop ALL prejudice, whether against nudists, gays, atheists, anyone of color, etc., and how it would benefit us all. Your disdain toward gays will only come back in the form of more prejudice against nudists as the hatred circles around.

My point? Take it easy, lighten up, think about how you'd like to be thought of and treated by others as a nudist, then do the same for others in the minority. I think you'd find life much easier to live and your outlook much more positive. And you might even make a few friends you thought you'd never even talk to.

End of my 2 cents and I won't say another word...

-Curt (of Karen and Curt)

[MichaelJB]

Well the thing that really turns me off and makes me dislike homosexuals is just the way they react to me and the level of violence and aggressiveness in their voices. If they would act more mature and be more polite then maybe I wouldnt feel the way i do about them but the way they react to me suggests that they are trying to defend something that shouldnt really be defended because its not moral. Of course I want to accept everyone and live and let live ive just heard alot of flack about homosexuals in my life and its just hard to accept someone who ive had this feeling my whole life that is just wrong. Even if homosexuals do behave and follow all the laws and are polite, I just dont think its a good idea for homosexuals to be raising kids because I always feel that they need a MOTHER AND FATHER and you just cannot get that in a homosexual family and I just think that a kid might feel confused because everyone else has a man and woman as parents and they have something different and I just think it would be hard for them to adjust.

[Karen and Curt]

OK, I lied...

A lot of people think that nudists raising children is just plain wrong, too. And adjustment? Would it be easier for a child in school to tell his friends he has two dads or moms, or to tell them that his parents and he are nudists? In our son's school it is quite obvious who the homosexuals are that are raising their children, but totally unknown who the nudists are. My point is that your feeling that the kids would have a hard time adjusting is not valid; it is more difficult for nudist children, and children of nudists, to adjust to society's norms, but they make out fine if not better than others, so why wouldn't children of gays?

Your ideas that a mother and father are needed are understood because they are what society deems "normal," but having two dads or moms doesn't mean that the child will not have a good, balanced upbringing. My wife and I agree on just about everything, from our opinions on life, to sports, to decorating...does this mean that because we are so similar our children won't be exposed to diverse opinions? No, of course not. And just because two people are the same sex raising a child doesn't mean that the child also won't be exposed to differing viewpoints and become "gay" himself.

Again, put yourself on the other side of the argument and see how your thoughts on gays could just as easily be others' thoughts about nudists. Doesn't feel too good to be stereotyped like that, does it?

As far as your past experiences with gays, sounds like you have only interacted with those who feel like they have to defend themselves to you. (I have several gay friends who I'd never even know were gay if they hadn't told me; since I had a positive attitude toward them they realized it just didn't matter to me so it wasn't an issue. I think you'd find that your own reaction toward anyone has a big impact on how much you are preached to...the more of an attitude you give, the more you get.) Just like there are some nudists who feel they have to convert everyone to naturism, there are gays who like to be very vocal. How would you react if people came up to you and told you how immoral nudism is and you are doing something wrong? You'd defend nudism to the death, like me...and like gays defend their way of life. It is just a shame that we have to defend something that should not even be anyone else's business.

C'est la vie, and you either choose to accept everyone as they are, or spend your life trying to make yourself right and everyone else wrong and end up a miserable wreck once you realize that it just doesn't work that way. That choice is yours...guess I'll just have to accept you as you are.

-Curt

[MichaelJB]

Yeah but nudists children apart from having the desire to be nude when possible have the same life as any other straight child but maybe with a more open understanding about the world and themselves but a homosexual child cannot have the father/son mother/daughter relationship if there is only a single sex there because the child could have the father or mother part but not the other and they would be denied something. Im sure the child could be raised with alot of the same values but I just feel that something no matter what you do would be amiss.

[Karen and Curt]

Sorry for the hijack on this...and I know you all agreed to drop the subject, but just one more...

I agree with what you say about nudist children, but I know of many children with mothers without a relationship with them, and children with fathers who have no relationship with them. I don't think you have to be the child of gay parents to feel you are missing a father or mother figure; it is just as relevant a problem for children of straight parents. But, for children of gays who may feel they are missing a father or mother figure, they will do what children of heteros with the same problem do... they turn to family (aunts, uncles, grandparents) or friends (and their mothers, fathers, etc.) to fill the perceived void.

If you validate your opinions about gay parents by saying the children are missing a figure, then you must also feel this way about single moms and single dads. What about those kids? They are certainly missing a mother of father figure to look up to. So you would have to feel the same disdain for single parents as you do about gay parents if your logic holds true.

Again...live and let live Mike. You are not going to change people who are gay to not be gay, so why hate them for it? And don't let it fester inside of you because you can't change them and make yourself upset about it. You can't do anything about it, it doesn't directly affect you, and you'd be a better person to just get on with your life and accept everyone as you'd like to be accepted. Enough on this topic now.

SO...TO GET THIS BACK ON TOPIC...

How about we all rent a place somewhere up in the northeast for a nude water park event? Please???!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif My wife and I looked at the pictures of the college students on the rollercoaster with envy and jealousness! Lucky, lucky college students! OK...I'll settle for a fast nude bike ride down a steep hill...now, does someone have a hill I can ride down?

[florida-david]

mike says "I think single hetero parents should do everything in their power to stay together and keep a strong family image and hold up their morality"

interesting choice of words, strong family IMAGE, not reality. ok, so two straight parents should stay together for the sake of the kids to create an image that all is fine like the kids in the "family" won't figure it out. possible scenario - its ok that dad does heroine and screws around, at least the family image is intact (since he does it out of town while at 'work') and at least he's not one of those *****s, and who cares if he comes home days late after several days of cheating on his family, cause the image is "that he is working", yeah that's a good excuse, out of town working. and at least he always comes around for sunday church to uphold that image and oh yeah morality, yes religious morality, he will confess his sins, pay into the pot to help the church coffers, and be forgiven, again. now this is definitely better than a loving gay home. oh yeah.


mike also says "but in gay situations they can control it". yep just like blacks can control being black. we should string up all those gays and heck, let's get blacks while we are at it, and why not jews, and those pesky smart asians, taking positions in our colleges, and and and, where does prejudice end???? when will people force themselves to get educated beyond the brainwashing they received as children? when, when

[Sol-Searcher]

I am a single man 55 y/o. I have no intention of being married again. It would serve no purpose, other than self gratification. There are several children around here that call me Grandpa Randy, they love me and I love them. Would I ever harm one of these children? I think not. I attend there graduation cerimonies, birthdays, and other family events, they are allways welcome in my home.

No I'm not gay, and if I was it would be no different. I would still love these children the same.

You need to put your prejustes(sp) aside and let people be themselves.

If I was gay, do you think I would love these children any less, or try to program them to be anything other than who they are?

Your friend,
Randy

[Bartamus]

I'm still trying to figure out how a nice thread about promoting a large event for young naturists got hijacked into yet another tired, angry debate over homosexuality.
Folks there are any number of forums where you can argue the subject sideways for days. This is not one of them. It has absolutely nothing to do with the original topic. Therefore we will now close this stupid, ugly debate