Nude Neighbors OK in British Survey

[luvnaturism]

According to a new poll 84% of Brits would by a home next door to a nudist. Some of those made that acceptance conditional upon not having to actually see the nekkid neighbors.

It seems to me that the main conclusion to draw from this survey is that hysteria over those who enjoy getting an all-over tan is waning in England. It's not especially important how many want to join in the fun as long as reasonable accomodation can be made for those who do wish to participate.

This is encouraging. Now we wait for the day when we can see similar numbers when the US is surveyed.

http://firstrung.co.uk/articles.asp?pageid=NEWS&articlekey=2735&cat=47-0-0

[luvnaturism]

According to a new poll 84% of Brits would by a home next door to a nudist. Some of those made that acceptance conditional upon not having to actually see the nekkid neighbors.

It seems to me that the main conclusion to draw from this survey is that hysteria over those who enjoy getting an all-over tan is waning in England. It's not especially important how many want to join in the fun as long as reasonable accomodation can be made for those who do wish to participate.

This is encouraging. Now we wait for the day when we can see similar numbers when the US is surveyed.

http://firstrung.co.uk/articles.asp?pageid=NEWS&articlekey=2735&cat=47-0-0

[missouriboy]

"Warren Bright, chief executive of propertyfinder.com said: "It seems that the Brits' traditional prudishness is a thing of the past. The vast majority of homeowners are fine with neighbourhood nudity. What upsets people far more is noise and antisocial behaviour. A quiet neighbourhood is a big draw to the vast majority of buyers, whether the neighbours are clothed or otherwise."

Oh NOOOOOOO!!! What does this bode for Stu2630's "vast majority" of anti-nudity Brits?? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/freak.gif

(Just kidding, Stu. NOT!! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif )

[Petrus]

I had guessed from other surveys indicating that about 50% slept nude and 30% answered the telephone nude that about 10% of us must spend a considerable time nude-perhaps I should double it. If it becomes too common, I shall have to start wearing clothes to differ from the common herd!

[florida-david]

wow, that is a big accomplishment. Maybe america is not too far behind?? let's only hope so.

I think Americans are less accepting of people's differences than they were in the past. Look at the spread of gated communities with their excessive rules. When i was a kid, I lived in a typical suburban neighborhood (small yard) and i used to paint our cars (and customize them as well) in the front driveway in the summer. I usually made my mess between 7 a.m. to 4 p.m. No one every complained and the neighbors were always interested to see what i was able to accomplish during the day. I recently went to visit my day at the same house, and his elderly neighbor and i were talking and she actually enjoyed seeing me outside working hard in the sun. I apologized for all the smelly and dusty summers painting cars, and she said that people used to accept others and the things they did, as long as we did whatever in our own yards. She is still a very sweet lady....

Now my dad is building a car on his back patio and no one has complained but the neighbors are excited to see how it comes out, just like when i painted cars 20 years ago. Try that in your typical gated community.

[Stu2630]

Having been involved in research for many years, I have learned to take such surveys with a very large pinch of salt. They are almost never conducted in accordance to academic research standards, practical or ethical, and so they would not stand up to the rigorous scrutiny that any PhD student's work would have to face.

For example, if I am asked a simple question, "would you object if nudists moved into the house next door to you?", I would answer "not at all". Firstly, I would assume that their nudism was something they did on nudist beaches when on holiday - and I think most people would make the same working assumption. Secondly, I would visualise my own home, and I know that almost no part of my any of my neighbours gardens are visible from my property (owing to fences, hedges and walls). Any parts that could be visible could easily be screened off.

The demographic make-up of the population sample may also be relevant. Were all areas of the country represented? All social classes etc. All types of housing? Was any account taken of the fact that some people may be OK about seeing naked neighbours but they might feel differently if they had kids, elderly relatives etc living next door?

The exact questions and possible answers have not been supplied in the article, there is no indication as to how large the sample of those surveyed was nor how the respondents were selected. Basically, from the facts supplied, the survey isn't worth a candle.

Sorry to disappoint. NOT! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif

Stu

[luvnaturism]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by florida-david:
I think Americans are less accepting of people's differences than they were in the past. Look at the spread of gated communities with their excessive rules.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think you quite have the right analogy here. We don't live in a gated community, but we do live in "conforming" community with well enforced CC&Rs. My sense is that people here do accept and even appreciate differences, so long as those differences aren't intrusive on others.

I once lived in a neighborhood of older homes with no controls. One of the neighbors liked to fix cars with his garage doors open at 2:00 a.m. No one cared about that, but we did all object to his large boombox that he played at full volume, making it impossible for those around to sleep.

In my next home we were surrounded on all sides by dogs. No problem there, as I love dogs. However the dogs were left outside and alone to bark continuously all day and often well into the night. It was impossible for us to eat a meal with our windows open.

So people move into controlled communities to get away from those kinds of intrusions that destroy the ability to enjoy one's own home, not because they are unable to appreciate differences in other people.

I grew up in a modest neighborhood in a small town where people did anything they wanted in their yards and driveways, but they all had one thing in common: they were courteous toward their neighbors. THAT is what has really changed in later years.

It wouldn't bother me today to see a teen working on his car in his driveway if he did it during the hours that you describe. At 2:00 a.m. with boombox volume turned up to max is a different story.

[curmudgeon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stu2630:
Having been involved in research for many years, I have learned to take such surveys with a very large pinch of salt. They are almost never conducted in accordance to academic research standards, practical or ethical, and so they would not stand up to the rigorous scrutiny that any PhD student's work would have to face.
Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You certainly can't mean that you believe academic research is the model of unbiased study. Do you mean that they do not adhere to academic requirements of political correctness?

Before you make statements based on what you assume the questions meant, you might show your unbiasedness (Ok, folks, keep the laughter down) by reading the link. I think the following quote from the article makes quite clear that the survey most definitely included issues of nudity at home with some chance of exposure to the neighbors.

"While 29% said they would be embarrassed to talk to their neighbours once they had encountered them topping up their tan in the nude, 57% said it would make no difference at all to their neighbourly relations (and a further 10% said they had no contact at all with their neighbours anyway). An especially friendly 4% said it would enhance their relationship with those next door."

[Stu2630]

Curmudgeon

Academic researchers are a bit like cops. Most are straight, ethical and honest - they seek only knowledge and truth and do their level best to avoid contaminating their findings with their own prejudices and biases. A few are corrupt; they have personal interests and ambitions and they allow these to colour their perceptions and distort their conclusions. And a few others are sloppy with their methods and their findings are highly suspect. Virtually all commercial "surveys" are conducted with a clear agenda - and that's usually making money for their employers.

I did read the link - I read the whole article twice. Unfortunately, the link did not have a further link giving access to the methodology and raw data. Not even a full exposition of the full questions was provided. In short, the "survey" has all the integrity and reliability of a used car salesman's pitch. At least academics' work is subjected to peer scrutiny and review.

Stu

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In short, the "survey" has all the integrity and reliability of a used car salesman's pitch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Gosh, Stu; so you have those kind of used car salesmen in the UK too! Amazing.

[Michjoe]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Unfortunately, the link did not have a further link giving access to the methodology and raw data. Not even a full exposition of the full questions was provided. In short, the "survey" has all the integrity and reliability of a used car salesman's pitch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just because you couldn't find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Sauna]

How is the situation in other countries?

About the questionaries. If people have no experince in that question, they answer to look out clever, not to be honest.

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Gosh, Stu; so you have those kind of used car salesmen in the UK too! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We certainly do, David. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

Michjoe

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Just because you couldn't find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But it does mean that we can't take this survey at face value, Joe.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If people have no experince in that question, they answer to look out clever, not to be honest.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is so true. And this may very well have happened in this survey. People hate to appear "prudish" when interviewed by what they perceive to be educated liberals.

Stu

[nimrod]

Surveys and polls can be baised to one side or another. If you ask only republicans if the pres is doing a good job, what kind of answers do you think you are going to get? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

[fre2bnude]

Nudist neighbours are just fine by this Brit!!
I only WISH I had them.

[Nude in the North]

How do we know the survey wasn't biased by ANTI Nudity proponents, and still showed a favorable result for nudism.

How come some people only complain about the method of a study or the scruples of the people conducting it , if the results don't meet with their opinion.

Why is it that some people can make unsubstantiated claims about what "the vast majority" think, when they arn't even part of a small minority. Unless you call it a minority of 1.

When will Stores have a special room built for the prudes to hide in while the nudists shop.

Steve

[Pete Knight]

I like the logic in your thinking!!

Why not have special resorts where people can go on vacation and (Urrrgh) wear clothes, not that you'd catch me anywhere near one of those places, I'm just not that sort of guy!!!!

Pete Knight

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">How do we know the survey wasn't biased by ANTI Nudity proponents, and still showed a favorable result for nudism. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We don't. But that doesn't matter. Surveys conducted outside of the strictures of academic research methods don't provide reliable evidence of anything, so they are unreliable regarless of which side the bias was on.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">How come some people only complain about the method of a study or the scruples of the people conducting it , if the results don't meet with their opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's always been the case, even in respected research. If the research is shown to be reliable by withstanding severe scrutiny and criticism over a period of time, however, and the results are repeated by other respected researchers, then the findings become accepted as knowledge. Straw-poll surveys with dodgy questions and even dodgier conclusions are will never add to the knowledge of humankind. Other than for furthering the agenda of the person commissioning them, they are worthless

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Why is it that some people can make unsubstantiated claims about what "the vast majority" think, when they arn't even part of a small minority. Unless you call it a minority of 1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where there is an absence of reliable research, people are forced to draw conclusions based upon their own experiences of life and the people they know. There is no research that I know of that proves most people believe that robbing grocery stores is wrong - but who would argue with such a belief?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">When will Stores have a special room built for the prudes to hide in while the nudists shop </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's easy. It'll be when the number of people who want to shop nude exceeds the number of people who are offended by them. We are a VERY VERY long way from that position right now. Of course, I can't prove that by way of academic research, but if you doubt it, why not suggest it to the manager of your local store and see what he says?

Pete

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Why not have special resorts where people can go on vacation and (Urrrgh) wear clothes, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We already do, Pete. They're called "Most Places". You are welcome to come and try it for yourself.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">not that you'd catch me anywhere near one of those places, I'm just not that sort of guy!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tel you what. I promise not to come on one of your nudist places in a pair of trunks if you promise not to come to one of mine naked. Isn't that fair?

Stu

[Pete Knight]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stu2630:
Tel you what. I promise not to come on one of your nudist places in a pair of trunks if you promise not to come to one of mine naked. Isn't that fair?

Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not really, why should I be confined to a small number of naturist places when you have at your disposal a much greater number of places to parade in your clothes, lets address some sort of balance here!!

The fact is Stu, you are in a very much smaller minority than us nudists, there are of course even more that fall into the catagory(s) between our prefered options.

One day we will be accepted as a minority with rights, and those rights will be enforced,.......... one day!!

Pete Knight

[Potterdude1991 a.k.a. Josh]

It looks like the Brits are ahead of America in nudity tolerance.