Question for you...

[camryn]

OK, here's a question for you all. I'm a woman in my mid thirties who has been going to Haulover Beach near my place for about fifteen years. Earlier this month, I was publicly chastised by another woman for lying on my back with my legs open. To be totally honest, I like to do that because it feels good. She thought that it was highly inappropriate for a woman to "expose her labia" (her words) like that. I told her that I couldn't understand why it was OK for a man to lie with his legs spread and his testicles hanging out, but it wasn't OK for a woman to do the same thing.

Any thoughts?

[camryn]

OK, here's a question for you all. I'm a woman in my mid thirties who has been going to Haulover Beach near my place for about fifteen years. Earlier this month, I was publicly chastised by another woman for lying on my back with my legs open. To be totally honest, I like to do that because it feels good. She thought that it was highly inappropriate for a woman to "expose her labia" (her words) like that. I told her that I couldn't understand why it was OK for a man to lie with his legs spread and his testicles hanging out, but it wasn't OK for a woman to do the same thing.

Any thoughts?

[DoubleRK]

I would agree with you. Although I'm male and I'm sure it doesn't feel "exactly" the same, I know the air and sun between my legs where it usually doesn't get does feel good. I'm sure it feels just as good (if not better) for women. Besides, how are you going to get an "all over tan" if you don't expose "all" to the sun?

Just my opnion though.

[Gary Naturist]

If we as nudists accept that the genitals are body parts just like all other body parts -- and we do (or we should) -- then spreading one's legs should be no more an issue than spreading one's arms.

Gary

[NorthVanNudist]

I have seen many ladies at the beach in similar positions, so I assume its just relaxing and feels good. I wouldn't worry about the comment.

[MikeJB]

Yeah im sure this women isnt what most people would consider an actual nudist that would see the whole body *including the genitals* as being good and wouldnt mind any position. I think shes just one of those types that prefers to be naked but still has issues with those body parts. Im sure people like her are few and far between at these places and you really shouldnt worry about it. I dont see anything wrong with what you are doing and if people cant accept you for who and what you are then it really makes me wonder why they even bother being in such a place where they might be exposed to such things.

[Kenny G]

I've been to Apollo beach and some other nudist resorts, and I've seen both men and women in all sorts of positions while seated, sunning, conversing, and such. I think the more time you spend naked, the less you think about appearances and just relax comfortably. Perhaps this woman wasn't as comfortable with her own body as you are. Either way, I wouldn't be concerned about it. Relax and enjoy the sun however you're comfortable. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by camryn:
OK, here's a question for you all. I'm a woman in my mid thirties who has been going to Haulover Beach near my place for about fifteen years. Earlier this month, I was publicly chastised by another woman for lying on my back with my legs open. To be totally honest, I like to do that because it feels good. She thought that it was highly inappropriate for a woman to "expose her labia" (her words) like that. I told her that I couldn't understand why it was OK for a man to lie with his legs spread and his testicles hanging out, but it wasn't OK for a woman to do the same thing.

Any thoughts? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually it is very healthy for you. Women who tend to get infections (like yeast) usually don't have much air getting to the genital area (damn pantyhose!)and the solution is exactly what you are doing.

And anyway, as nudists we are supposed to accept all body parts as equal. That she considers some parts should be hidden reveals her own problems with accepting herself and others as they are.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by camryn:
OK, here's a question for you all. I'm a woman in my mid thirties who has been going to Haulover Beach near my place for about fifteen years. Earlier this month, I was publicly chastised by another woman for lying on my back with my legs open. To be totally honest, I like to do that because it feels good. She thought that it was highly inappropriate for a woman to "expose her labia" (her words) like that. I told her that I couldn't understand why it was OK for a man to lie with his legs spread and his testicles hanging out, but it wasn't OK for a woman to do the same thing.

Any thoughts? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You should have done what I would do, tell her to MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS

[MikeJB]

You should have done what I would do, tell her to MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS
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That sounds like my solution to her problem, of course I wouldnt say it rudely like that unless she was mean or rude about it to me herself and then I wouldnt really care how I said it to her. I mean anyone who cant handle seeing genitals has issues they need to deal with, genitals are normal and natural like any other body part and people shouldnt be seen as being disgusting or sexual just because of the position they are in or because they expose their genitals.

[P & C]

I ran this one by my wife. (She avoids computer contact whenever possible!) Her take is that it really doesn't matter - though she tends to keep her legs together simply in an effort not to offend others. She is more offended by what she perceives to be the intent. If someone is laying out (male or female) simply trying to exhibit themselves and draw attention to the genitalia, she is repelled and looks the other way. If they are simply relaxing and enjoying the sun - then live and let live. It is a nudist environment for crying out loud!

Paul (for Carol)

[cdg-fr]

Do what you want. I have seen women on beaches in all ways ... bikini bottoms, thongs, g-strings, legs closed, legs open and even legs bent sitting on a chair wide open. How else do you get tanned if you keep legs closed?

[florida-david]

camryn, i agree with all the other posts that you are ok with what you were doing. you might want to be careful who is around when you do it, as maybe the woman was freaking out because you are exposing new body parts to children, but since there are usually NO kids at Haulover (except for mine), you should be fine. if my kids saw you doing that, they might say something to me, and i would explain to them that is what female genetalia looks like and they should continue with their playing. no biggy.

[sawdust]

I wouldn't worry about the comment.

I do not know of any nudist rules, or other wise, that govern such exposure. It was then just that womans opinion and nothing more. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Sawdust

[Stevedaoust]

I don't see anything wrong with opening your legs a bit. I mean as long as you're not FLYING SOLO (wink) on the beach, big deal. Whenever I'm at a nude anything I have my legs open at least part way to get an all-over tan because if I don't I have this unsightly white patch, and I tan dark during the summer.
I personally would have given her the "What the ***" face, if you even thought she deserved the effort.

[NakedGary]

Its called "just let it hang out", no big deal between nudists, or genders, seen one, seen them all as far as I am concerned or most nudist are concerned. How else are you going to get that all over nudist tan with no tan lines unless you expose all parts evenly. I would have told her to mind her own business and body. Next she will be comming around and asking you if you put sun block on your genitals. I hope she or other guys don't have the gull to tell males its not nice or proper to adjust thighs or move thier penis or testicles or they shouldn't let it hang out to get a even all over tan. I would consider her a "Nude Nanny" or one who gets her .... in other peoples business!

[Gary Naturist]

Everyone here is saying that an open display of the genitals is perfectly all right. That's encouraging. Note: no one has said that it's OK for women but not for guys.

Now (and sorry if I'm diverting the topic here), would each of you say that it would be equally OK for a guy to display an erection while lying on on his back subathing?

I suspect not. But the penis is just another body part. In answer to "Why not?" some will say "Because it's rude". It's illogical to say that a soft penis is just another body part, but a penis engorged with additional blood is not just another body part.

Some will then explain that "It's rude to have sexual thoughts" while sunbathing nude, or "It's rude to allow evidence of having sexual thoughts while nude". Whoever says this must feel that nudists must be asexual while nude. Why should a person have to suppress or deny his sexuality just because he's nude.

Who can enlighten me?

Gary

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paul & Carol:
I ran this one by my wife. (She avoids computer contact whenever possible!) Her take is that it really doesn't matter - though she tends to keep her legs together simply in an effort not to offend others. She is more offended by what she perceives to be the intent. If someone is laying out (male or female) simply trying to exhibit themselves and draw attention to the genitalia, she is repelled and looks the other way. If they are simply relaxing and enjoying the sun - then live and let live. It is a nudist environment for crying out loud!

Paul (for Carol) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is real close to what I wanted to point out... in a word (or two /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) "body language." If you are just sunning yourself, as opposed to "flaunting" yourself, or "signaling" a male, then it's perfectly acceptable, and I think just about every mature person will know the difference. I bet your detractor either decided you were using the wrong body language, or just wasn't keen enough to know the difference. And only you know which way your own intentions were, and should govern your response to the busybody.

I don't know about public beaches, but in the more protected environment of resorts, sunbathers of both sexes stretch out like this all the time, and it's perfectly normal.

[NakedGary]

To enlighten you on the previous post:

Folks, nudist are nude, so open display of genitals is perfectally normal part of being nude and obviously males have external genitals.

Yes its equally ok & normal to be unaware of, or have tumescence or an erection while reclined, dozing, sleeping, or sunning in that position, or cause by wind, change in tempreature, sunlight, pressure, or contact with external objects while changing position etc. If awake or consious of tumescence or erection one should refrain from fondling, nudging, or furthering or promoting this ooccurence in view of others. Unless inappropriate activitiy is taking place these persons are doing nothing wrong, rude, or harming anyone with this normal body function or occurence and should be left alone as the situation will take care of its self. If someone is offended, they can look the other way, ignore, or move where it's not visible or offending to them.

The illogical saying a soft penis is just another body part but not when engorged is like saying a party balloon is just another balloon but not just another balloon when blown up.

The function of mind over body in in sexual thoughts and arousal is a very complex function of the nervious system, brain, optical, heart, muscle, chemical and many glands and organs. Males do not digitally allow or deny evidence of having sexual thoughts, and others cannot tell your being rude or even having sexual thoughts being nude or otherwise. Nudists are not asexual while nude, and dont have digital ability to suppress or deny sexuality just because they are nude. Male and females have sub conscious sexual thoughts often 24 hours a day.and it is thought that males have sexual thoughts or flashes each 8-15 seconds. Nudists should not attempt to suppress or deny sexuality just because they are nude. Nude is natural, Sex, and sexuality is natural.

NakedGary

[Gary Naturist]

I swear that I didn't set things up so that the other Gary would provide the precise answer that I wanted to see!

Gary

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NakedGary:

The illogical saying a soft penis is just another body part but not when engorged is like saying a party balloon is just another balloon but not just another balloon when blown up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Very true.

There are social conventions among nudists just like anyone else. It has nothing to do with what is 'natural'.

Our social conventions say that nude sunbathing, taking showers, playing and swimming naked are all perfectly acceptable in public. Those same social norms say that moving your bowels is a private function, despite being just as natural.

An erection is perfectly normal and natural. So is making love. Under prevailing nudist social norms they are not appropriate in public view. You might find a very different social norm among swingers.

However, a mere erection is not totally volitional. Most nudists understand this. It is how you behave under the circumstances that should matter. It is a rare situation that an erection causes offense without other inappropriate contributing behavior.

-Mark

[greensunshine]

I with all the others...if you want a great all over tan, you gotta spead the legs so the sun can shine there too /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh, and like the guys, don't forget the sunscreen down there, cause we as females can burn down there just as easily as the guys /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Greensunshine in the Pacific NW /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Female, Mormon and a Nudists /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Orangexcalibare]

What that woman said to you was out of line. One of the best things about lying nude out on the beach is that you can just totally relax and leave the 'daily grind' for a few hours, and there you are all minding your own business and this woman chastizes you. I am very sorry that it happened, please don't let it change your views on naturism, or make it stop you from going to the beach.

[Fresh Air]

You can't please everyone. If you purposely held your legs in a together position, you might offend someone for looking so inhibited on a nude beach. Just do what comes natural and don't worry too much about being the brunt of someone's bad day.

Fresh Air

[FireProf]

camryn,

I gather that you not only wanted to hear from all of us but may have wanted more input from the female nudist take on this situation...so I went to my wife. Here is what she said;

At times she has layed out at the beach or at the resort and has assumed a comfortable position. This position, many times, has her legs spread whether she is lying on her stomach or on her back. She see's absolutely nothing wrong with what you were doing and in her words..."that woman was out of line for saying that to you."

She also said that the woman should not have looked at you if your position bothered her.

This from another nudist female.

Take care. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Buzzer]

The busybody of a woman was totally wrong ! You were there to enjoy yourself in the same manner as any man & have equal rights, without anyone, including her, butting in !

[Rex]

Two things we sometimes meet in life which are best ignored, ignorance and arrogance.
You could be charitable and think maybe she is new to the nudist scene and doesn't understand.
Or you could just think, well I had to put up with you for two minutes, you've got to put up with yourself for the rest of your life.

[Nude in the North]

Hopefully Camryn will return someday to read all these great answers to her question.

When We were at Haulover last week , we sat with several couples that were staying at the same motel that we were staying at. After several hours of visiting and enjoying the beach my wife and I went back to our room.
My wife made the comment that one of the Ladies we were sitting with was so casual and relaxed, that she must really be a true nudist. I asked her what made her think that.
Her answer was, "Didn't you notice how she sat?"
Apparently her legs were spread comfortably open.
I honestly didn't notice how she was sitting. I had been talking to her , not her crotch.

Knowing that my wife isn't as comfortable with nudity as I am, I can understand her comment.
She certainly didn't think there was anything wrong with the way this woman was sitting. She thought it was a sign of how comforatble she was with herself and the people around her.

Nudity is about comfort. You can't be comfortable Clenching your knees together.

Steve

[Dan and Janette]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NakedGary:


The illogical saying a soft penis is just another body part but not when engorged is like saying a party balloon is just another balloon but not just another balloon when blown up.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is one of the most assinine statements I've ever read on the internet. Even Art Bell wouldn't expect his audience to swallow this one.

Now, let me get this straight....you're sitting with your significant other on the grass/sand/lounge chair at your favorite nudist beach or resort. Perhaps you've got your kids with you. Perhaps you're a young family who've discussed trying nudism and have nervously taken the plunge, told repeatedly that nudism isn't about sex. Perhaps you're a young, single woman who is seeking a safe haven to even out her tan and feel free .....

And along comes this joker with Mr. Happy at full staff, pointing to the heavens. Nah, nothing sexual about it, it's NATURAL!!

Want to convince Rep. Foley of that, if he ever decided to pay one of the youth camps a visit, and witnesses someone's pink cat scratch post in full salute in front of the kiddies?

Every nudist facility we've been in would NEVER tolerate this, and if they didn't say anything to this moron, my wife and I would. This thread began with a sensible question, and devolved into an adolesence's fantasy.

You people.

[Dan and Janette]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
It is a rare situation that an erection causes offense without other inappropriate contributing behavior.

-Mark <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not sure about dunking in a hot spring 20 miles from civilization, but in just about every private nudist facility you'd be out on your bare fanny.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dan and Janette:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
It is a rare situation that an erection causes offense without other inappropriate contributing behavior.

-Mark <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not sure about dunking in a hot spring 20 miles from civilization, but in just about every private nudist facility you'd be out on your bare fanny. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I know for sure you can't back that one up! LOL!

I've seen erections a few times at the clubs around here and nobody got tossed out for it. What matters is what happens after you get it. Wanking will get you tossed. An innocent erection will not.

[NakedGary]

Dan and Janette #6057

you incorrectly posted a quote thought to be originally posted by me "NakedGary"

I did not originally post that quote, here is the orignal post:

Gary Naturist
Registered Forum User
Member # 1837

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Everyone here is saying that an open display of the genitals is perfectly all right. That's encouraging. Note: no one has said that it's OK for women but not for guys.

Now (and sorry if I'm diverting the topic here), would each of you say that it would be equally OK for a guy to display an erection while lying on on his back subathing?

I suspect not. But the penis is just another body part. In answer to "Why not?" some will say "Because it's rude". It's illogical to say that a soft penis is just another body part, but a penis engorged with additional blood is not just another body part.

Some will then explain that "It's rude to have sexual thoughts" while sunbathing nude, or "It's rude to allow evidence of having sexual thoughts while nude". Whoever says this must feel that nudists must be asexual while nude. Why should a person have to suppress or deny his sexuality just because he's nude.

Who can enlighten me?

Gary
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[Dan and Janette]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:


I've seen erections a few times at the clubs around here and nobody got tossed out for it. What matters is what happens after you get it. Wanking will get you tossed. An innocent erection will not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I've seen a few occasions where a guy jumped out of his tent a bit too quickly first thing in the morning. Didn't get tossed for it, either. But if you read my posts for context, Cyndiann, you should realize I'm talking about someone who's walking around in plain sight with a full erection, and doing nothing to remain inconspicuous about it. C'mon, Cyndiann, we're both adults, you know the difference between happenstance and parading.

Maybe Floridian resorts are more liberal, but persistant displays of erect penises would never be tolerated in any camp we've been in. Out he goes.

[Dan and Janette]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NakedGary:
Dan and Janette #6057

you incorrectly posted a quote thought to be originally posted by me "NakedGary"

I did not originally post that quote, here is the orignal post:

Gary Naturist
Registered Forum User
Member # 1837

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My apologies.

I believe it was the other Gary I was addressing.

[aunaturelone]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>would each of you say that it would be equally OK for a guy to display an erection while lying on on his back subathing? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It depends on where you are. My personal feeling is yes, it is "equally OK". As long as you aren't shoving it in my face (or someone under my care) or otherwise being obnoxious about it, I don't care.

On a privately owned club there isn't a right or wrong about it, the owners simply set the rules however they want. If they have a "no erections" rule, then you have to obey it or face whatever consequences the owners have. (The same would apply to an "erections required" rule.) The rules are set in order to achieve whatever ambiance the owners want and if you have a problem with it you are free to leave.

On the public clothing optional beach the "rules" are set by tradition and whatever the "regulars" are comfortable with. I have seen lots of erections on public beaches, probably (on average) two to four on any given day-long visit. The "rules" are enforced very informally on a public beach.

For that matter there are obviously different degrees of erection, ranging from imperceptable to anyone but the guy who has it, to something suitable for use as a railroad spike. There is no hard line as to how much erection can take place before a private club will take deflationary action, its a judgement call and the owner's judgment is what counts. Generally only "outstanding" erections put you at risk of having offended someone on a public beach.

On family beaches an erection usually gets ignored unless you're obviously putting it up for display purposes. Playing with it, straining to keep it hard, shaking it around, posing, intruding on strangers with it, trying to use it as a conversation piece, etc. will get most people annoyed and many people offended, with results ranging from social isolation to being beaten to a bloody pulp by rabid homophobes and overprotective boyfriends/fathers/husbands. (The latter response is illegal and I do not approve of it.)

On a gay beach, an erection is just a way of advertising.

If you are on a hike with me, I don't care if you get erect. In fact, if you can stay that way while covering the terrain I cover and at the speed I'm covering it, I'd be damned impressed.

There a story that is appropriate here. Two parents decided to go to a nude beach with their young child in order to show how wonderful and innocent nudity could be. They arrived at the beach and everyone undressed, the parents somewhat nervously since they hadn't done this since before they'd gotten married.

First the child asked Mommy, "Why do some women have bigger boobies than others?"

The small breasted mother was struck by a feeling of inadequacy and said, "That's because they have lots of money. Rich women can afford to have large breasts."

Then the child asked Daddy, "Why do some men have biggger pee-pees than others?"

The modestly endowed father who was secretly uncomfortable he might be visually compared and found wanting and said, "That's because they are dumber. Smart men have small penises."

The family spent the day frolicking in the sun, building sand castles, looking at the tidal pong wildlife and generally enjoying themselves. The time came to go home and the father was no where to be seen. Mommy asked the child, "Have you seen Daddy?"

With all the innocence of childhood, the child responded, "Daddy's at the other end of the beach. He's talking to this really rich woman and the longer he talks, the dumber he gets!"

[NakedGary]

Dan and Jenette

I agree with Cyndianne and Mark. Your envision of someone sporting or flaunting a errection at a landed club rarely happens, and even if one got an errection they are unlikely to parade around with it especially around children or at a youth camp or childrens function.

A member, spouse or single of a club or resort is not going to risk loosing their membership, or being put on a do not admit list at other sanctioned clubs by flaunting an erection. Even paid day visitors to sanctioned facilities know not to flaunt or parade a erection.

On public or designated clothing optional beachs you will see what you describe by non nudists, voyers, exibitionists, and gays hoping to shock attract attention, or pick up on same.

It sounds as if you consider any erection a sexual, agressive, & offending occurance. As previously discussed, erections are a normal body function and can occur without sexual thought,stimulation, or vision, clothed or not.

The intention, or what one does while experiencing this occurance in public or view of others is what could be considered inappropriate, indecent, or offensive by others.

What you consider an erection, might be just be normal tumescence caused by exercise, warm weather or other factors, or a normal endowed flacid condition for that person you don't know. Even if this occurence is what you call "full mast" or pointing up, there is no reason to be alarmed or take offence of this normal but rare occurance unless its flaunted or put in a physical threat toward you or others. The sight of a naked female or male, or a male with a erection in a nudist or naturist setting by a child, teen, or adult is not even thought of or would cause any kind of harm that I know of, unless thoes persons are taught body shame in viewing a naked person anyway.

IF in a nudist or naturist setting your offended by a rare or occasional sight of tumescence by a female or male, or innocent erection, I would suggest that your ignore, look the other way, move, or don't take your children or attend nudist areas where you would consider these
normal but uncommon visual occurences as "un-natural", "shameful" or "offensive".

NakedGary

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NakedGary:
Dan and Jenette

I agree with Cyndianne and Mark. Your envision of someone sporting or flaunting a errection at a landed club rarely happens, and even if one got an errection they are unlikely to parade around with it especially around children or at a youth camp or childrens function.

A member, spouse or single of a club or resort is not going to risk loosing their membership, or being put on a do not admit list at other sanctioned clubs by flaunting an erection. Even paid day visitors to sanctioned facilities know not to flaunt or parade a erection. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It sounds like we are all basically in agreement.

My statement: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> However, a mere erection is not totally volitional. Most nudists understand this. It is how you behave under the circumstances that should matter. It is a rare situation that an erection causes offense without other inappropriate contributing behavior. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agrees with Dan and Janette's statement <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I've seen a few occasions where a guy jumped out of his tent a bit too quickly first thing in the morning. Didn't get tossed for it, either. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Then D& J continue with:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>you should realize I'm talking about someone who's walking around in plain sight with a full erection, and doing nothing to remain inconspicuous about it. C'mon, Cyndiann, we're both adults, you know the difference between happenstance and parading. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Which is exactly what I meant by inappropriate contributing behavior.

Erections happen. In adult male nudists it is rare to have one involuntarily in public. Over several years at nudist resorts I've only seen one adult male with one, and he was doing all he could to be discrete about it, there was no flaunting. Guys who decide to take their 'natural' boners out for a walk to see the sights and be introduced to the neighbors are rightly shown to the front gate.

-Mark

Yeah that's the whole point. We were all discussing innocent erections and D&J switched over to parading penises.

"Persistant displays of erect penises" is at the other end of the spectrum from what we were disussing.

[nordictoad2]

Once again, even us at the forum have taken a simple question from a woman and morphed it into YET ANOTHER erection discussion. ENOUGH already. Is it ANY WOUNDER that women think that ALL guys think about are erections? Men fuel the fire with this DAMN SUBJECT OVER AND OVER AND OVER!! Move on BOYS!!

For the record, the prude was WAY OUT OF LINE. Camryn you did NOTHING WRONG. To paraphrase the Military, "Don't want to see, Don't look"

[NakedGary]

I don't know if this thread started out as a hypothetical situation of one parading a erection or not, but I have only seen one incidence in three years of what I would call a innocent display of a semi partial erection that wasn't covered up, noticed, or of concern to anyone at the crowded pool of a large resort.

I really believe that Dan and Janette whould have to go to a club or resort for years before observing a nudist parading a erection, and so what if they did and saw one for 5-10 seconds if a nudist walked by with a erection. If this persisted for hours, or the nudist kept walking by displaying a erection that would be something else, or of concern.

Most males get or have partial or full ocassional erections while sleeping, upon awaking [full blatter], while showering, or just get them temporarly for no obvious reason. I see no reason for a nudist to go out of his way to hide, or constrain this very temporary innocent and normal body function while nude, sunning, walking, running, resting, or doing nothing.

I thought this erection thread would have gotten off by now and become flaccid; but it never ceases to amaze me that nudists have not much else to view, discuss, or talk about without clothes, other than naked female and male gentials, breasts, and features, size, styles, shapes, and differences and adornments.

No wonder textiles, and outsiders relate nudist with sex. Well folks, nudist are as different as people are naturally.

Be Nude, Be Free, Be Natural

NakedGary

[nordictoad2]

Well Spoken!!!

The original post had nothing to do with men or erections. Yet somewhere along the line it became a question of whether or not erections are appropriate. Why is it that we can't stay on the subject? If someone has a question about another subject, they should start another post, or go where that subject is already being discussed. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

"I thought this erection thread would have gotten off by now and become flaccid"

Hahaha! Great line Gary!

[Nude in the North]

The Irony is, that your all so busy discussing something that isn't even related to the original question , that you havn't noticed that the person that started this thread hasn't been back.


Some of you don't even know what the original question was.

There's no point in continuing this thread if the person that asked the original question doesn't come back to read the answers.
Nobodys answering Her question anymore anyway.

Steve

[Dan and Janette]

Gary and Mark.....

What piqued my interest in responding was the statement there was no difference between a flaccid penis and an erect one within the confines of a nudist environment. A patently absurd comment, and apparently you guys both concur since you agree someone "parading" an erection should be put out.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dan and Janette:
What piqued my interest in responding was the statement there was no difference between a flaccid penis and an erect one within the confines of a nudist environment. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well that is not exactly how I read it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Originally posted by NakedGary:

The illogical saying a soft penis is just another body part but not when engorged is like saying a party balloon is just another balloon but not just another balloon when blown up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Which I interpret as meaning that a penis is just another body part, whether erect or flaccid. As such it isn't something to be anxious or ashamed about. It is perfectly natural.

I also thought I was being very clear in stating that nudists have social conventions that include avoiding the flaunting of an erection. 'Parading' is out. Lots of 'natural' things are not appropriate for company.

In most nudist venues you won't be automatically bounced out simply because of an erection. Mature nudists understand the difference between an awkward situation and an exhibition.

Consider the situation of a young man in a volleyball game. With the running and jumping around he develops a erection quite without intention. He's on the court, in mid game. He is perfectly innocent of any sexual purpose, or desire for exhibition. So if he finishes the game without calling time and running for a towel or pair of board shorts is he guilty of anything? I don't think any reasonable nudist would have any thought other than a bit a sympathy for the lad.

Now I'm not nearly so sure about a sunbather. Lacking an exhibitionist or ulterior motive it seems to harsh to condemn him for an involuntary and transient condition. On the other hand, he has a towel and the ability to roll over right there. I suspect discretion is the better part of good manners.

-Mark

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nude in the North:
The Irony is, that your all so busy discussing something that isn't even related to the original question , that you havn't noticed that the person that started this thread hasn't been back.


Some of you don't even know what the original question was.

There's no point in continuing this thread if the person that asked the original question doesn't come back to read the answers.
Nobodys answering Her question anymore anyway.

Steve <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But if the answers were just for her she could have been reached privately. The boards enable many people to read topics that interest them so it really doesn't matter if she doesn't come back.

[NakedGary]

Dan and Janette

Please, speak & assume for yourself.

Re: ["apparently you guys both concur"]

NakedGary for one, DID NOT concur with you on the
Statement you referenced to be absurd & assinine. Post #15 page #1 by GaryNaturist. I can?t speak for "Mark".

The initial topic and request for thoughts was initiated by "Camryn" on equality and appropriateness of female and male exposure Of genitals on a nudist or clothing optional public beach after she was chastised by another woman.

Two pages and 27 replies later, your offence of a perceived situation changed the forum topic and discussion to: ?parading an erection?

The off topic has been exhausted, but no doubt will arise again.

To sum up, overwhelming responses of experienced nudist indicate:

Open exposure of female and male genitals in nudist settings is appropriate and normal.

Observance of brief & temporary tumescent or innocent erection by male or females [not flaunted] in a public nudist setting, is rare but normal, & should not cause action, alarm, offence, or harm, to anyone.

Flaunting, Parading, promoting, or fondling sexual bodily organs in public view of others in nudist settings is inappropriate, and reason for expulsion, mention, or citation by authorities.

Thanks ?NudeInTheNorth?, ?Nordictoad2?,?Cyndiann??NaturistMark? and ?NaturistGary? for their mention of change of topic, expertise, experience, and knowledge on the subject.

NakedGary

[FishNude]

Spread your legs both males and females. Who cares ??? Enjoy the sun ...

Bert http://www.naturistcalendars.com/gallery/images/us_nw/rock1.jpg

[missouriboy]

Exactly, Ron, that's what I meant when I mentioned "body language." A woman nudist can have her legs comfortably parted a bit, without acting like the one in this old joke:

Q. What does a blonde put behind her ears to attract a guy?
A. Her ankles!

[JiminPA54]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by camryn:
OK, here's a question for you all. I'm a woman in my mid thirties who has been going to Haulover Beach near my place for about fifteen years. Earlier this month, I was publicly chastised by another woman for lying on my back with my legs open. To be totally honest, I like to do that because it feels good. She thought that it was highly inappropriate for a woman to "expose her labia" (her words) like that. I told her that I couldn't understand why it was OK for a man to lie with his legs spread and his testicles hanging out, but it wasn't OK for a woman to do the same thing.

Any thoughts? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>