Legalise prostitution?

[Terrace Casual]

With the Ipswich serial killer bumping off a lot of the working girls, do you think prostitution should be legalised?

IMO, why not? Why is it illegal in the first place? At least these girls could advertise their services and not have to stand on street corners and could be free to do it in their own homes or as part of legal brothels

[Terrace Casual]

With the Ipswich serial killer bumping off a lot of the working girls, do you think prostitution should be legalised?

IMO, why not? Why is it illegal in the first place? At least these girls could advertise their services and not have to stand on street corners and could be free to do it in their own homes or as part of legal brothels

[Pete Knight]

I have advocated the legalisation for a long time, it is after all the oldest profession on the planet!

Making anything illegal merely drives it underground if the demand remains, look at prohibition in the US!

Legalise it, control it, tax it, we all benefit then, the punters from having a regulated supply of clean girls, the economy from profiting instead of spending taxes on TRYING to stop it.

I've been to Amsterdam and several German cities where the working girls are in an area that doesn't offend the locals (Usually near the railway station.), they receive regular medical check ups and they put money into the economy.

Anyone who objects to these girls isn't living in the real world, and any suggestion of zero tolerance (As has been suggested over here.) is founded on pure ignorance, you cannot make it go away, you just move it to the darkest of alley's .

You can't stop it, so control it.

Pete Knight

[tiger79]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Terrace Casual:
At least these girls could advertise their services and not have to stand on street corners and could be free to do it in their own homes or as part of legal brothels </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm sure you're aware that the act of one consenting adult paying another for sex is NOT actually illegal in Britain. So, a woman who works on her own, in her own house and charges people for sex is NOT breaking the law. However, brothels are illegal.

Most of the girls who work the streets in places like Ipswich are addicts who live in a drug-fuelled haze and could never organise themselves enough to advertise, nor would most of them ever manage to have a "home" which clients might want to visit. And even if brothels were legalised, it's unlikely the street girls would ever be employed in them - they're just too far down the route to drugs oblivion. (Incidentally according to today's Sunday Times, Tania Nicol, one of the murdered girls, had worked in a "massage parlour" but had been sacked because of her drug habit).

Now if you'd suggested legalising drugs....

[NudeAl]

You would think by now most of us would realise that making something illegal dosen't stop it from happening. I mean they don't call it the oldest profession for nothing!

In places where it is legal like Amsterdam, Nevada in the US I believe there is a lower instance of sexually oriented crime. The women are protected from anyone who would wish to harm them and they are able to earn a good living. I doubt many areas in the states will move to legalize more of these places because of the morality issue even though it makes perfect sense. I think public nudity or nude beaches are restricted here in the US for many of the same reasons on moral grounds with out much hard evidence.

[Pete Knight]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tiger79:
I'm sure you're aware that the act of one consenting adult paying another for sex is NOT actually illegal in Britain. So, a woman who works on her own, in her own house and charges people for sex is NOT breaking the law. However, brothels are illegal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
As it happens I wasn't aware that it was legal, however soliciting IS illegal in the UK.

With the correct support even the junkies would clean up, and be able to make a living.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeAl:
In places where it is legal like Amsterdam, Nevada in the US I believe there is a lower instance of sexually oriented crime. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly, those sad inadequate guys who can't get a girlfriend can satisfy their urges in a brothel instead of dragging some poor innocent girl off the street (It could be yours or my daughter next time.).

You can't make it go away, but you can control where its hidden.

Pete Knight

[hm0504]

Legalize it and follow the Dutch model.

Canada's laws are similar to those of Britain:
http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/canada.html

[shãybare]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeAl:
In places where it is legal like Amsterdam, Nevada in the US I believe there is a lower instance of sexually oriented crime. The women are protected from anyone who would wish to harm them and they are able to earn a good living. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I, too, am all for legalization but when I went to http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/, the stats did not indicate a lower rate for Nevada.

Arkansas was 42.9% Oklahoma 41.7% Nevada 42.1%

This is per 100,000 individuals.

It certainly seems to me it would be lower.

[earthpassenger(Kevin)]

Many people who work in that industry, and many people who are advocates for those people prefer the term "sex work".

If it is possible to make the profession both ethically acceptable as well as legal I think it would have to be practiced in a way that it would eliminate most concerns in the following three areas.

1. Effectively eliminating the Transmission of sexually transmitted and other communicable and seriously debilitating or life-threatening diseases. (Ideally, people who would be providers or customers should feel as safe as they would feel about eating in a restaurant that passed a health and safety inspection.)
2. Reducing the likelihood that sexual intercourse will result in children being born who cannot be provided with the proper caring, environment to grow up within.
3. Reducing the likelihood that people will be coerced and pressured
into doing sex work to a greater degree than they would be likely to be pressured into working in existing legal industries.
Peace,
Kevin

[Terrace Casual]

Why would people pay to have sex with a girl standing on a street corner when, probably for the same price, they can go to someone who is certificated?

[tiger79]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Terrace Casual:
Why would people pay to have sex with a girl standing on a street corner when, probably for the same price, they can go to someone who is certificated? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>In the context of the UK, I don't understand your concept of "certificated" and, in any case, a prostitute is only as disease-free as her last client, so it doesn't mean much anyway.

As to why men pick up street girls, I'd have thought the reasons were obvious. First, it's likely to be much cheaper. Second, the man retains control because it's his car, his environment. Third, he's much less likely to get robbed or attacked by other people present in a prostitute's premises.

[Liam]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shãybare:
I, too, am all for legalization but when I went to http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/, the stats did not indicate a lower rate for Nevada. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is inaccurate for legal prostitution in Nevada. Only a few counties in Nevada (all with low populations) have legalized prostitution. The largest county in population holds Las Vegas. Las Vegas does not have legal prostitution. However it does have a lot of illegal prostitutes around everywhere. It is very actively attacked by the police and prosicutors...often using entrapment. It is a long drive from L.V. to find legal prostitution. This skews the information you have provided.

[Bob S.]

What is interesting is the difference between prostitution, which is illegal, and hardcore adult videos, which are legal.

Both involve sex and movey for doing it, but in prostitution, one participant pays the other. In videos, both participants get paid by a third party.

Bob S.

[Liam]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pete Knight:
I have advocated the legalisation for a long time, it is after all the oldest profession on the planet!....

Pete Knight </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with Pete on almost every point here. I would like to add, that the word "girls" is not an apt one. Besides women there are many males in the sex worker profession. I have known prostitutes (escorts http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif ) of both both sexes. Many of them are far from scum, druggies, ill and other often assumed ideas. Depends on where one meets them I suspect. A fellow I care a great deal about is fluent in 5 languages, travels the world, is well educated, a semi pro athelete and a perfect gentleman.

[NakedGary]

This topic/thread is being moved to "Open Conversation" as it has nothing in common with Keeping existing clothing optional sites legal or establishing new areas set aside for nude recreation.

[nakedjohn]

Legalising would be better for everybody.

[tiger79]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Liam:
I agree with Pete on almost every point here. I would like to add, that the word "girls" is not an apt one. Besides women there are many males in the sex worker profession. I have known prostitutes (escorts http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif ) of both both sexes. Many of them are far from scum, druggies, ill and other often assumed ideas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>In general terms, you're quite correct, Liam. Prostitution covers both sexes, and many prostitutes are intelligent, sensible, well-educated people. However, the original question referred specifically to the "Ipswich serial killer".

Here in the UK right now, we have one of the most dramatic serial killer scenarios ever seen - between 2 December and 12 December, the naked bodies of 5 dead street prostitutes were found in a small area near Ipswich.

If you're interested in more details, some of the most comprehensive coverage has been here on Sky News (http://news.sky.com/skynews/suffolkmurders).

Most of these girls were heroin addicts, desperate for money, and prepared to gamble their lives on the rough streets of Ipswich, one of East Anglia's most depressed towns.

[Longhairbear]

I would support making prostitution legal. I have read that many places that have such laws, also have a lower rate of sex crimes.
I would think that such laws would benefit the nudist community in the long run. We all know that otherwise non nudist persons pretend to be nudists, just to to be looky loos, just to get a look at a nude body. If such a person had an outlet to relieve his, or her sexual appetite in a legal way, we nudists would not have to worry about new members of clubs, new online nudist friendships, or real time get togethers.

[shãybare]

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Thanks, Liam. I do know percentages can always be misconstrued.

[Pete Knight]

The latest news on the Ipswitch Strangler, is that a man has been arrested, more info HERE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6189409.stm)

Shame we don't hang people like that in the UK anymore.

Pete Knight

[tiger79]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pete Knight:
Shame we don't hang people like that in the UK anymore. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey, not so fast, Pete! If you check some of the other media coverage, you'll see that the arrested guy is something of an attention-seeker, and after he'd given an interview to yesterday's Sunday Mirror, the police had no option but to arrest him. Maybe he is the killer, but it's a bit early to be getting the rope out.

[Terrace Casual]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pete Knight:
The latest news on the Ipswitch Strangler, is that a man has been arrested, more info HERE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6189409.stm)

Shame we don't hang people like that in the UK anymore.

Pete Knight </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I hope ypou mean the serial killer and not this bloke, if he's innocent. If he's guilty, bang him up in a women's nick. That'll sort him out once and for all.

This bloke thought he was having a relationship with one of the girls and even said neither of them had been faithful to the other. I would have thought that was obvious from her side!

[hm0504]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pete Knight:
The latest news on the Ipswitch Strangler, is that a man has been arrested, more info HERE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6189409.stm)

Shame we don't hang people like that in the UK anymore.

Pete Knight </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh, you mean hang people who get arrested?

I generally like your posts Pete, but I have to take strong exception to this one because, as others have said, forgetting the issue capital punishment for the moment, the fellow has yet to be convicted in a court of law.

Not picking on Pete here, but we must all remember that we have darn good reasons for having a judicial system that must be kept free of undue influence from politicians and police. Each of these bodies has their separate roles because that is essential to democracy and freedom.

[Pete Knight]

You've all answered your own questions, but I can confirm that if convicted I would happily see anyone who can take life in this way strung up.

The murderer, whoever it turns out to be, showed no mercy, just imagine the sheer terror those five girls suffered prior to their death, I wouldn't want my daughter, or anyones daughter to suffer like that.

I would lay down my life for my daughter, and these 5 girls were the daughters of someone, someone who is suffering absolute hell because of a person who can't control themselves.

An eye for an eye.

Pete Knight

[hm0504]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pete Knight:
You've all answered your own questions, but I can confirm that if convicted I would happily see anyone who can take life in this way strung up.

The murderer, whoever it turns out to be, showed no mercy, just imagine the sheer terror those five girls suffered prior to their death, I wouldn't want my daughter, or anyones daughter to suffer like that.

I would lay down my life for my daughter, and these 5 girls were the daughters of someone, someone who is suffering absolute hell because of a person who can't control themselves.

An eye for an eye.

Pete Knight </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And if the death penalty would result in fewer homicides, I would agree with you. However, the overwhelming evidence is that the opposite is true. Therefore, I oppose the death penalty but do support life (that is, until death) imprisonment.

[Liam]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tiger79:
In general terms, you're quite correct, Liam. Prostitution covers both sexes, and many prostitutes are intelligent, sensible, well-educated people. However, the original question referred specifically to the "Ipswich serial killer". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep. Guilty. I was speaking in general terms...responding more to the topic title and a particular post than to the original message.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Here in the UK right now, we have one of the most dramatic serial killer scenarios ever seen - between 2 December and 12 December, the naked bodies of 5 dead street prostitutes were found in a small area near Ipswich.....

....Most of these girls were heroin addicts, desperate for money, and prepared to gamble their lives on the rough streets of Ipswich, one of East Anglia's most depressed towns. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am familiar with it to a small extent Tiger. Such things are common in the U.S. They usually don't reach the top list of stories on the broadcast news nor newspapers. I also suggest that, instead of spending a huge amount of time and resources entraping prostitutes and marajuana users, police and prosicutors could be more able to concentrate on such cases as you refer to. By marginalizing these women, society leaves them vulnerable.