INA Charges

[Kevo2012]

Hey yall its me kevin agian the 14 year old nudist. I love this web site so much but theres one thing i just cant experience, and its the fact that theres really nothing you can see for free. I perfectly understand the fact that INA has to make money off donations but the thing is that my parents are very strict about rules, and being naked is one of them lol. well not really, they expect us to wear clothes. but i wish i could see more deep into this site, all i get are a bunch of articles and a few pics and a small movie. I think INA should make a couple of the 5 minute movies free for a little while. Since i cant subscribe because my parents wont let me and i dont have a checking account, im kind of stuck in a black hole. I just want the people who run this site to open up a litle more of this site and not have almost EVERYTHING locked up. see yalls laters

[Kevo2012]

Hey yall its me kevin agian the 14 year old nudist. I love this web site so much but theres one thing i just cant experience, and its the fact that theres really nothing you can see for free. I perfectly understand the fact that INA has to make money off donations but the thing is that my parents are very strict about rules, and being naked is one of them lol. well not really, they expect us to wear clothes. but i wish i could see more deep into this site, all i get are a bunch of articles and a few pics and a small movie. I think INA should make a couple of the 5 minute movies free for a little while. Since i cant subscribe because my parents wont let me and i dont have a checking account, im kind of stuck in a black hole. I just want the people who run this site to open up a litle more of this site and not have almost EVERYTHING locked up. see yalls laters

[gnomeboy83]

hmmm interesting situation, would cash by mail be an option for younger people?? i was at a website were if the person didnt have a checking account and had to be discreet then they could send cash in the mail with letter containing an email address and somethign saying, "i would like to join" or somethign like that. i only think that would be fair since everybody doesnt have the convience of paying online /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[sawdust]

If INA did KNOWINGLY allow a 14 year old to view or be a registered/paid member, there might be legal problems. Without parental permission, it could be seen as INA contributing to the delinquency of an underaged person. I would think it is not in INA's best business interest to allow access until a person becomes of legal age. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Sawdust

[MikeJB]

Well yeah I can understand all the legal issues surrounding someone underage viewing a nudist site but you guys do say that nudity is ok for children/teens and that it shouldnt be bad for them so doesnt banning them or having one of those *must be 18 years or older* signs just defeat your purpose or make you guys sound like youre contradicting yourself? How would a website be able to keep a reputation of the naturist lifestyle being a lifestyle open to all ages with an 18 years or older sign on it? That doesnt make sense to me. Some topfreedom and other activist sites dont beleive in this policy and I think that INA could get around this too. Im 19 so I dont have to worry about it myself but it would be unfair to those younger people who couldnt experience it till they are 18, people younger than that need to experience it too and I know that its hard for them if they need adult permission because alot of adults dont understand or wont accept them being nudists and thus they gotta be discreet about it, I understand this very well and im discreet to this day, thats why I dont and cant become a paid member yet, thats why I complained so much a few months ago about the site being less paid for and more free.

[nudeM]

To INA's defense, how can they determine the age of members. If I recall, you can leave that question blank. It's more like, show me the money and you're in. I feel sorry for Kevo2012 though, if his parents find out, especially if they are as strict as he says. I guess the only way to find out a members' age is to ask for credit card references. That way, INA cannot be accused of "contributing to a minor".

Kevo2012 sounds like a good guy, but how many others out there would use this site for "thrills"? I'm not saying that he is one of those, but there are others out there in his age bracket who will.

Everything I want to do and see in this Web site IS free. I can live without the photos and videos. I will, however, be re-joining when I can afford it again. This is the greatest naturist Web site available, and I want to do my part in supporting it, but it's just not possible at this time.

Mike, are you SURE you understand the legal issues? If Kevin was allowed to join against his parents' wishes by paying through the mail, and his parents found out, they could sue the people who run this great Web site for all the money they don't have. I'd be willing to bet they don't need or want a lawsuit. Kevin is a minor, and I'm sure you're aware that there are certain restrictions on minors. Fair or not that's the way life is. One of those restrictions is that they need their parents' permission to do certain things, and joining this Web site would be one those things.

It's unfortunate that many young people who are interested in nudism and want to experience it have to wait until they're on their own to visit a nudist resort, but as one who has experienced a lot more of life than you, I assure you that life has many disappointments. With adulthood comes a lot more freedom to live your own life, but there is also a lot more responsibility.

While Kevin is in his parents' home, he has to abide by their rules or pay the consequences, and they say he has to be clothed. He can be nude when he's alone, and even find other ways to enjoy being nude just as I did as a child and a teen. I've always loved being nude even though I wasn't raised a nudist. My mother was a prude.

[Trailscout]

I am not saying that a teenager should go against his parents wishes, but I am wondering if he should feel obligated to ask if it would be okay to join INA. After all, couldn't he mail a money order to INA and join that way?

If you live in a household where your parents respect your opinions, maybe they would pay for you to join with their own credit card.

If you live in a household where you would be grounded for life for visiting the INA Web page, I would be real careful not to go there on my home computer. I know that may sound sneaky, but I call it avoiding unnecessary trouble.

[BareInBare]

I want to step up in defense of the INA as well just to say that if they pay attention to the news, especially in New Jersey, they are cracking sown on child porn on the internet. NOT that I am saying that this site is about that, but on the internet people "pretend". Most likely this newbie is a 14 year old with sincere intentions, and maybe he is one of the task force operatives posing as a minor.

I agree with Sawdust and MikeJB, it's far too risky for the INA. They are an excellent organization and it would be a shame if anything happened like that. It's a different world we live in. Anyway, that is my two cents...FWIW.

Joel

[greensunshine]

Count me in on the vote to restrict minors from becoming INA members until they reach a legal age where they can inter a legal contract.

Law suits brought by Parents objecting to their teenagers could be far more costly than restricting their memberships to what is currently allowed.

Greensunshine in the Pacific NW /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Female, Mormon, and Proud of Both /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Naturist Mark]

If INA denies membership to minors that would be tantamount to accepting that naturism is what many critics charge -an adult sexually-oriented activity.

Nudism/Naturism is a family friendly wholesome activity, as such Naturist organizations should be open to the whole family.

Minors should be able to join as part of their family. Not separate from parent or legal guardian and certainly not without their consent.

-Mark

[Phil Stockdale]

Is it really a legal issue allowing under 18's access to the INA galleries? Here in the UK it would be illegal for someone under 18 to appear in or view material which was deemed sexually explicit by the official board of censorship.

However, there is no restrictions on under 18's seeing non-explicit nudity as seen in the photo galleries here, and nothing to prevent them being photographed naked either providing it was not licentious nudity.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Phil Stockdale:
Is it really a legal issue allowing under 18's access to the INA galleries? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There is nothing obscene or prurient about any of the photos (that I know of). But in the US we have a 'community standards' definition of obscenity. Which means that an organization that makes photos available for view across the country can be subject to prosecution by the most backward restrictive local jurisdiction. It would almost certainly fail, but at potentially great legal cost to the defendent.

"Children" and "nudity" are hot buttons in American politics, meaning they elicit immediate emotion in a lot of people, who then instantly turn off their brains. Its great politics to go after anyone who allows the two to mix, look at Florida this summer and Virginia right now. Even in failure the politician, police commissioner, or prosecutor get credit for going after the 'evil-doers'.

Also, under US law minors cannot enter into a binding legal contract. Any dues payments they make are potentially revokable. It is certainly true that any nudist organization that knowingly recruits or accepts membership of minors without parental permission is asking for trouble.

-Mark

[Phil Stockdale]

Thanks for clarifying things Mark. Obviously there is some strong feeling on this in the US. Here in the UK there is also much concern about children and nudity, with some politically correct photo developing companies calling the police if parents take pictures of their children playing in the bath etc.

However, according to some of the leading Naturist UK organizations, allowing minors to see the galleries wouldn't break any English or European laws.

[Bob S.]

I personally have never seen the point of making the pics available to only those who have paid for membership. That to me is what uninformed textiles would expect from a nudist site. That pics for money means that they are selling the naked form.

In fact, that is the one issue that I have with the site, that those pics are paid membership only. Now I can understand the membership for the videos as they require more money to produce and are on location. Now if the on location INA pics were the only ones that were members only, I would have no problem with it, but unfortuantely, they are not.

Kev, exactly how strict are your parents about nudity? Do you think that you could talk to them about your enjoyment of the nudist life? You kind of wavered in your definition of them being strict. Now I doubt that you could convince them to pony up the however many bucks to become a member, but what about showing them this site and talk about your want to become a member.

Good luck.

Bob S.