Mad, Mad House #2

[Stevedaoust]

Ok, you're opinions on show #2?

I thought that the wiccan scene was very beneficial but the naturist scene was a sham. It was like SHOWING THE GOODS. I felt our lifestyle falling back 10 yrs on that scene.

As for the "GIRL" that got kicked off? I felt bad because it reinforced her way of life BUT it's of her own creation. She can change if she gets over what her life is now instead of showing her claws at first meet.

Steve

[Stevedaoust]

Ok, you're opinions on show #2?

I thought that the wiccan scene was very beneficial but the naturist scene was a sham. It was like SHOWING THE GOODS. I felt our lifestyle falling back 10 yrs on that scene.

As for the "GIRL" that got kicked off? I felt bad because it reinforced her way of life BUT it's of her own creation. She can change if she gets over what her life is now instead of showing her claws at first meet.

Steve

[NewAndNude]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stevedaoust:
Ok, you're opinions on show #2?

I thought that the wiccan scene was very beneficial but the naturist scene was a sham. It was like SHOWING THE GOODS. I felt our lifestyle falling back 10 yrs on that scene.



Steve <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That wasn't nudism OR naturism. It was exhibitionism, pure and simple. The women, being dressed in only loincloths, had their breasts beared and then of course there were plenty of vaginas (vulvas) and penises bared in order to
"play the game." Even Avacado was wearing a loincloth, though I believe he, too, "showed the goods" before the game began.

That was disgraceful, and I don't even consider myself a "full" naturist. It also doesn't make sense to me why they would have that sort of thing happen and leave the houseguests clothed?

For all the other "challenges" the houseguests are having to interact with the Alt's fetish (such as the pool of blood from last week, and next week the animal parts thing), so what is the point of not forcing them to get undressed? Granted I don't really want to see that 50ish mother naked but at the same time I don't understand why they chose to do what they did. I have called this a "Fear Factor meets Survivor" ripoff and with last night's laughable naturist stunt I believe it stands even more.

[zuma]

eeek!

Sounds like reality tv shows exploiting naturism have reached a new low (who;d have thought it could get any lower?)

I saw show 1 and thought it was lame. Sounds like #2 was even worse. What did our dear "Avacado" do to represent naturism?

[NewAndNude]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zuma:
eeek!

Sounds like reality tv shows exploiting naturism have reached a new low (who;d have thought it could get any lower?)

I saw show 1 and thought it was lame. Sounds like #2 was even worse. What did our dear "Avacado" do to represent naturism? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Absolutely nothing, as far as the show was concerned.

The idea was this: Avacado was out on the lawn wearing nothing but a rectangle-shaped loincloth hanging down covering his genitals from view. As the houseguests came outside, there were around 30 or so men and women standing in rows wearing the same garments. This meant that from the beginning the womens' breasts were open and exposed to view for anyone in the victinity.

The game was that each of the semi-naked individuals were "friends" of Avacado's and on the back of each of their loincloths was a type of edible food or nut. The game was "mix and match" as each housemate had one turn to go up to one of the individuals, have them lift their loincloths to just above the navel, exposing their secrets to the world and whoever was in front of them.

Once a housemate found two items that matched on the loincloths they were to go back to the line and the two matching individuals were to stand behind them as the game progressed.

The winner of the game would be immune from being voted out and would be able to sit in on the voting decision for that night. It came down to two individuals, one male and one female, and the female won by immediately picking which of ten "friends" of Avacados, who had switched loincloths back behind the bushes, had the avacado on his or her loincloth.

It was disgraceful and tacky. A housemate would come up to a male or female and ask them to reveal the image on the loincloth. To do this they would lift the loincloth showing the image and displaying their genitals for as long as they held the loincloth up. Avacado also did this to demonstrate how the participants would be doing this upon selection.

At one point, I forget who it was, one of the houseguests, a male, went up to another male and had him reveal the image on the loincloth he wore. When his genitals were visibly exposed, the housemate muffled his laughter and I believe pointed at the man's penis as well, mocking him obviously for his size.


There was one other thing I noticed last night, and that was that all of the participants -- all thirty or so of them -- had shaved their pubic hair completely off. Both males and females. Now I've never seen a female up close who has done this, though I've seen it in various nudist images before. However, I personally found it interesting because what it meant was that when the blurring (it was blurring, by the way, not pixilation which is the standard in the industry for censorship) occurred, that the blur would show only skin.

In other words, Sci-Fi channel had all the participants shave their genitals so that when they would appear on-camera there would be no distinguishing dark features that would be the tell-tale pubic hair that humans grow upon hitting puberty. They were all, for lack of a better term, "smoothies." All in the name of censorship. Very interesting indeed.


Only one person opted out not to participate and it was the fiftyish mother; she later claimed that she did not participate because she did not want to go to the frat house that her son was at after the show was all said and done and end up being harrassed by his fratmates or other people on the street asking her if she "wanted to play that [naked] game she played on tv."

[CTyankee]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There was one other thing I noticed last night, and that was that all of the participants -- all thirty or so of them -- had shaved their pubic hair completely off. Both males and females. Now I've never seen a female up close who has done this, though I've seen it in various nudist images before. However, I personally found it interesting because what it meant was that when the blurring (it was blurring, by the way, not pixilation which is the standard in the industry for censorship) occurred, that the blur would show only skin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true. You can blur things out in such a way to keep the colors the way you want to. One easy way is to just make all pixels that are hair colored look the same color as skin. Very easy to to really. So the blurring is hardly proof that there was any shaving.

[zuma]

I'm almost in support of the fcc's crackdown on indecency, the way these shows are going. This crap is so juvenile and dehumanizing (not to mention insulting naturism) to make me want to puke.

[zuma]

you know what would have been REALLY funny? If corey or any number of us folk had been chosen to be on "mad mad house", and the producers would have thrown the peek-a-boo genitals are funny challenge at us, and we'd have walked off the show.

Of course most of us would have lawyers vetting the contract, so it would probably not come to that, but still! I do wonder how "avacado" would feel about being a national joke, assuming people were watching this crap show.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zuma:
you know what would have been REALLY funny? If corey or any number of us folk had been chosen to be on "mad mad house", and the producers would have thrown the peek-a-boo genitals are funny challenge at us, and we'd have walked off the show. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Which is doubtlessly why they didn't choose Corey, they had no intention of having a legit nudist who would oppose their defamatory shenanigans.

-Mark

[nudeM]

From what I am reading here, it's obvious that this past episode was not being 'nudist' friendly. As I stated earlier, the very first episode was more of a 'Fear Factor'. Is that how this last episode was? If so, then the 'Naturist' is not a (true) naturist. It's (the show) is specifically just for the ratings. Not a true redemption of a 'true' naturist.

[MikeJB]

I wouldve just ripped the loincloth off and thrown it in the guy's face and told him to grow up and tell his buddies upstairs to get a life and grow some brains! If youre gonna have nudism on tv you oughta fricken do it right!!!

[nudemommy]

I tuned in on Thursday, but I saw a repeat of the first episode...did I do something wrong here? Hmmmmm. I really didn't like the premise on this show from the getgo, but I wanted to see what happened to the Christian boy and girl. So I wanted to watch again this last week. Obviously I missed it. When will it air again?

[NumberOneNudist]

Hmm... well, here's my thoughts on this. I think that Avocado practices an obscure form of Naturism that I have never heard of before that also involves deep communion with nature. I think it is quite clear, even to the average viewer of the show, that this isn't standard nudism-style naturism.

As for the issue of having a "practice naturism" challenge, the promos clearly show that a future episode will have the guests running around naked, although it seems they're using this to the advantage of ratings...

[zuma]

Avacado doesn't practice any form of naturism. wb is labelling him a "naturist", when in fact he has nothing to do with naturism except running around naked once in a while.

Just great.. now everyone will think going to a naturist resort involves eating raw foods, sitting in weeds, and god knows what else.

I'm torn now. Do we submit to reality tv and actually try to show naturism in a positive light, or let attention-starved media *****s steal the "naturist" label.

we lost on option #1, and we lost even more on option #2.

I hate to say it, but our movement is failing in a spectacular way. Maybe we need to get back to going on ricki lake/phil donahue type shows. maybe our resorts need to post ads in newspapers. has anyone here ever seen an actual nudist resort ad in an actual newspaper?

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[Tad]

JONATHAN TAD KETCHEN (JTK.CA)
Christian Nudist, Artist, & Poet

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Dear naked friends,

I'm with zuma. I think part of naturism's problem in getting its message out is that they call it naturism. Some even call it naturalism which has absolutely nothing to do with nudism.

I "barely" tolerate the term "naturist," but wish it would go away. I call myself a nudist, so that everyone outside the lifestyle has no excuse for misunderstanding the fact I love to be naked whenever possible. If I called myself a naturist,
several textiles would think I was a naturalist, a scientist out in the field picking flowers. Why do naturists call themselves an obscure term that many outside the lifestyle are ignorant of. What is the point of telling people who you are if they are liable to misunderstand completely or be completely clueless as to what you mean. I am not a naturist. Unfortunately a lot of the groups I can join use that word so I'm stuck with it. I vote INA change it's name to
International Nudist Association. Don't get me wrong, I love how friendly INA is to my Christian faith. ClothesFree.com
is by far the best nudist site on the web, even though it unfortunately has the word "Naturists" in its name; a term often misunderstood in the textile world.

Love in Christ
(the best kind),

Tad (JTK.CA)
Christian Nudist, Artist, & Poet
Founder of Guelph Nudist Club
(Guelph, Ontario, Canada)
http://NudeCreations.com

[Stevedaoust]

I'm thinking that the nudist on this show is a NATURAL GUY in the way that he does everything natural. Dresses, eats, etc. I'm convinced that the sci-fi channel MIS-defined the term naturist for natural and it may not be what WE define as naturist.

Steve

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always thought that a "typical naturist" as they said they wanted for the part is someone who would rather be nude than dressed as long as the weather and other conditions permit it. I would NEVER wear clothes if I didn't have to. I'm not able to see the show since I only have local channels now, but is there anything preventing him from being nude if he wanted? Just from what I've read here, this man is not my idea of a naturist, let alone a typical one. Of course, maybe I'm judging what a naturist is by myself, who would rather be nude than dressed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zuma:

I hate to say it, but our movement is failing in a spectacular way. Maybe we need to get back to going on ricki lake/phil donahue type shows. maybe our resorts need to post ads in newspapers. has anyone here ever seen an actual nudist resort ad in an actual newspaper?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, I'm in the Tampa area and the resorts around here put ads in the local papers, use billboards and have commercials on cable.

Please don't put rikki lake in the same category as Phil Donahue. They are barely in the same category. The old Donaue shows tended to treat subject matter such as this with respect while rikki's show would not treat any topic respectfully.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
The old Donahue shows tended to treat subject matter such as this with respect while rikki's show would not treat any topic respectfully. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I remember seeing Donahue Shows on nudism. They had real nudists on the show, who took questions from the skeptical audience and callers, and did a great job of explaining what nudism was and was not. Phil always kept the proceedings respectful and informative. How old fashioned of him!

-Mark

[MikeJB]

I dont think that a guy who is clothed 80% of the time is a naturist. I posted a few things on the scifi bboards on their website on the mad mad house page and they just flamed me and acted like I was insulting the guy and they said he was an "expert" on naturism and food. I just dont see how a guy who stays clothed 80% of the time is a naturist.

[Trailscout]

It figures, Mike. You hacked your way into the temple of Avocado and all his worshippers dissed you!

[Naturist Mark]

I checked it out and only saw one disagreement from a Avocado worshiper.

From another poster I learned that the 'naturist friends' of Avocado who participated in the 'trial' were supplied by an Adult Video Management company. I.E. they were porn actors. Apparently David Wolfe (Avocado) and the shows producers don't know the first thing about naturism.

-Mark

[MikeJB]

I just wanted my opinion to be heard. I just wanted these idiots over at scifi to know that not everyone buys into their cheap bull****. I just think that they should either get the whole nudism thing straight or just go back to showing all their cheap B-rated scifi flicks and just stop doing the MMH show unless they can do it right with real AL characters and not some actors doing a half assed impression of AL. *AL= alternate lifestyle*

[TXK NUDE]

I am very disappointed in what I have seen of the "naturist" on the show, and rather insulted in the way which the Christian participants have been treated by the "Alts". If the point of this show is to show openess and acceptance of a variety of lifestyles then why doesn't that include Christians? At least on Surreal Life they respected Tammy Faye's personal convictions, but this show seems to go out of their way to get in the face of Christians, especially the participants, even to the point of a face to face confrontation between the Christian girl and the Wiccan alt. Acceptance works both ways, folks. If a Christian is willing to observe another's religious practices but not participate, then they should respect that. If the Christians held a prayer meeting 9which if I was in that house would be something I would be doing on a daily basis!) and the "alts" wanted to sit quietly and observe, they would be allowed and we would accept them not participating. We wouldn't become "possessed" and give them a guilt trip about rejecting their heritage, or get in their face about their sin...we would just pray and worship God and let the Holy Spirit do His work on their hearts.

[zuma]

I found your post on sci-fi's website, Mike, and the response which included a link to avacado's personal website. He's all about the raw-food thing, not a mention of naturism that I could find.

This guy doesn't know what a "naturist" is, and if indeed he went on the show and introduced his "friends", when in fact they were porn actors, he's a disgusting idiot who just wants to be on tv.

[MikeJB]

I think that the whole naturist community should really put up a stink and go after these guys for denying a REAL naturist being able to go on the show and instead replacing him with this naturist wannabe who enjoys nutritional food and has porn star buddies. I mean do any of you think this is demeaning to children? I mean they dont need to see some fake naturist that stays clothed 80% of the time, rambles about nutritional food more than naturism and has porn stars on his show because he doesnt have the balls to get real naturists on there. If he is trying to promote naturism then why doesnt he just get the contestants to go nude and enjoy the lifestyle with him?

Mike I saw posts that hinted that some of the others on that show are not legitimate either. I don't think that anyone will think that this show represents actual lifestyles anyway.

I did post on their board though. The one response to you mentioned doing research so I did go to Avocado's website and looked at his bio on the Sci-fi site and there was really very little information on him being a naturist. Matter of fact he mentioned that his roommate would be surprised to learn he was a naturist so that gives you a big clue. When someone lives with you full time and doesn't know you like nudity you have to smell something rotten.

[NumberOneNudist]

Well, the thing is, I just think that the people out there seeing this show don't realize that naturism is used by us as a synonym for what everyone knows as nudism. Heck, I hadn't even heard the term until I started visiting this website. Therefore, I think that people are not getting odd ideas about our lifestyle, they will just think the wrong thing if you say naturism. So if you just call it nudism instead, there will probably be much more clarity.

[breezes]

I think that's a good point. When he says he's a naturist, it makes sense to me that he eats raw foods and enjoys being nude when possible. But nudism doesn't speak to diet, only a preference for being nude. If he's saying he's a naturist, not a nudist, I don't see how he's hurting the cause.

That exercise was interesting. In the beginning Avocado said that it will test how well people will be able to concentrate around nudity, which means they need to let themselves be comfortable with it.

I too was upset when that guy Tim mocked one of the nude players. I thought that was totally uncalled for and rude. And who is he to talk? While others are sunbathing nude he's always in sweat pants! Maybe he's afraid of someone making fun of him for the same thing? Anyway, I don't like that guy very much and I'll make a point to watch the show to root for him getting kicked off.

[gnomeboy83]

Maybe INA should find this david wolfe guy and ask him what kind of naturist backround does he come from i mean i have heard alot of definitions of what a "naturist" is but i have never heard one that included (forgive me if i mispelled) eating all natural foods....lol i just like to keep it simple and refer to myself as a person who prefers not to wear clothes in my free time in a nonsexual manner. that way people dont get the wrong idea of me. lol but thats just me. but i do think interviewing Mr. wolfe for nudes in the news and asking him about his views on the naturist/nudist lifestyle would make a pretty interesting episode! but its just an idea

[TXK NUDE]

So...was I the only one who fell out of my chair laughing when Avocado's little 'naturist' hike last night got cut short by the Park Ranger? Obviously, unlike a REAL nudist, he didn't know where nudity is acceptable and where it isn't!

[hairyhomer]

They should have arrested him for being so stupid! Everyone knows if you are going to do something illegal on a trial you do it very early in the morning or very late at night or miles away from the start or end of the tail, Avocado is an idiot! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[breezes]

I felt bad for him! He was obviously having such a good time on the hike and it must have felt really nice to get into the water.

I don't think that he was stupid. I mean, they were out in the middle of nowhere and its also really possible that this isn't an area that he was used to. So maybe he just wanted to give the contestants a chance to go nude in realitive privacy.*


*and by privacy I mean away from crowded clothing optional beaches, not away from the cameras.