Born Nude

[David77]

It is widely claimed on this forum board that because persons are born nude, that gives them an inherent right to stay nude.

If the human body had the capacity to grow clothing in the uterus, it would have to grow the clothes sucessive sizes bigger as the fetus grows larger. The clothing would always be sopping wet for nine months from the fluid in the uterus, and this would chafe the fetus as the unborn baby moves around in the uterus.

After the baby is born, there is, many times, reason to protest the child from the cold with blankets and clothing.
Thus we can not say that because we were born without clothing that this should be taken as a sign that God meant that we should go without clothing; without clothing just as we had to be in the wet environment of the uterus, and while emerging from the uterus.

[David77]

It is widely claimed on this forum board that because persons are born nude, that gives them an inherent right to stay nude.

If the human body had the capacity to grow clothing in the uterus, it would have to grow the clothes sucessive sizes bigger as the fetus grows larger. The clothing would always be sopping wet for nine months from the fluid in the uterus, and this would chafe the fetus as the unborn baby moves around in the uterus.

After the baby is born, there is, many times, reason to protest the child from the cold with blankets and clothing.
Thus we can not say that because we were born without clothing that this should be taken as a sign that God meant that we should go without clothing; without clothing just as we had to be in the wet environment of the uterus, and while emerging from the uterus.

[Boreas]

God also gave us harsh weather conditions (at least in Canada). This weather demands clothing. It may be relatively warm here now at about -1C (as compared to the -30 something a couple of weeks ago) but it still requires clothing.

I personally believe that there is no need for shame with regards to nudity, and that if weather conditions permit, nudity could be acceptable. Unfortunately, we are descended from Victorian and other influences and it will take some time I think for nudity to be acceptable in the broader community.

[luvnaturism]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
It is widely claimed on this forum board that because persons are born nude, that gives them an inherent right to stay nude.

If the human body had the capacity to grow clothing in the uterus, it would have to grow the clothes sucessive sizes bigger as the fetus grows larger. The clothing would always be sopping wet for nine months from the fluid in the uterus, and this would chafe the fetus as the unborn baby moves around in the uterus.

After the baby is born, there is, many times, reason to protest the child from the cold with blankets and clothing.
Thus we can not say that because we were born without clothing that this should be taken as a sign that God meant that we should go without clothing; without clothing just as we had to be in the wet environment of the uterus, and while emerging from the uterus. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is what happens when one is unable to tell the difference between a humorous comment and serious argumentation.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

On the same line when I came from the womb I didn't have any teeth and no hair on my head! However it could be argued that they were under skin and had not just grown through to become visible. If we were meant to wear clothing shouldn't it have gradually appeared by magic on our bodies just as the teeth and hair did? lol.

[Baron Lake]

Stick around long enough like me Fuzzy Nuts and the teeth and hair will disappear as if by magic too! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

I guess if you wear your clothes long enough they would wear out and fall off also. Humm...

b.l.

[OZJames]

David77 QUOTE - "Thus we can not say that because we were born without clothing that this should be taken as a sign that God meant that we should go without clothing"

If God had meant us not to wear clothing surely he would have given us hair to keep us warm, like animals.

I am not saying that just because we have little hair that we must wear clothing but that we are what we are and that WE HAVE A BRAIN which enables us to consider our options and decide ourselves whether to wear clothing or not.

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[BlobbyBob]

If you're referring to things in terms of god and rights related to that this should be in the religious section surely, thus people (like myself) who wish to avoid such topics can do so more easily.

Everyone (logically) has the right to freedom and as such if they wished to be nude all of the time then so be it, but sadly freedom doesn't work such that many things which technically we are free to do, we cannot do in certain places.

[shãybare]

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First, let me start out by saying this. THIS. Now moving on to the subject at hand, the right hand as opposed to the wrong hand. Wearing clothes should be done only in extenuating circumstances. There. I said it. No, I said THIS. Well now I've said both and, therefore, must be befuddled. But only by a licensed Befuddler.

[smoothmike]

Original clothing was purely designed for purpose, that being to protect from the elements, and if you stop and think for a while...... back when the only clothing around were animal skins and the such, clothes most likely would not have been worn if there was no need.

To day it is human kind that say we must wear clothes, and dare i say it, religious groups are renowned in history to be the prudes in regards to nudity.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> If you're referring to things in terms of god and rights related to that this should be in the religious section surely, thus people (like myself) who wish to avoid such topics can do so more easily.
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true it should be in the religious section if that is the standpoint of the original post. but i will say one more thing,

If god gave us a brain when he made us then its up to us if we chose to use it.

[LamontCranston]

I'd also like to say THIS.

But it's my nature, as a naturist, while in nature (or not) to add THAT.

There... I said it. Or really I said "That AND This."

Still_B said (nice to see you again Still.. wink)

that there's no shame when nude. Just think.

This AND That. Nudity is not optional but clothing is. Try going a day -- or week -- without a moment in the nude.

Can't do it. Even if you are a Victorian prude.

[OZJames]

I think you guys have been affected by too much Christmas SPIRIT, How many nips did it take ?

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[NudeWil]

shãybare,

Your request for befuddler license renewal is hereby approved!

[Bob S.]

David:"It is widely claimed on this forum board that because persons are born nude, that gives them an inherent right to stay nude."

No one has ever made such an argument. There is the oft used quote, "If G*d meant for us to be nude, we would have been born that way." but that is not part of the debate. It is just a humorous saying.

After all, you would not argue against our present technology with the saying "If G*d had meant us to fly, we would have been born with feathers."

Bob S.

[PascoDoug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Still_Boreas:
God also gave us harsh weather conditions (at least in Canada). This weather demands clothing. It may be relatively warm here now at about -1C (as compared to the -30 something a couple of weeks ago) but it still requires clothing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We humans are tool users and clothing is just another tool we've developed that allows us to live in environments we weren't "designed" for.

In our warm natural habitat we do not really need clothes. We obviously didn't require a lot of fur on our bodies either.