Why are some so stupid?

[nacktman]

Yesterday I was in a local Wendy's and saw this idiot hitting on "his" girlfriend (and I do not mean figuratively) in the middle of the dining room.

I quietly told the boy to cease because if he hit her once more he'd be tangling with me, to which he got very upset and threatened me if I didn't stay out of "his business".

I calmly turned my back to the boy and asked the clerk behind the counter to phone the police while I whipped the boy's a$$ which made him lunge toward me and attempt to hit me. He failed.

He attempted to strike me again, cursing and spitting gibberish, he failed again.

I didn't.

When the clerk was explaining to the police why she called them the paramedics spoke up and told the officer he could arrest the boy when he woke up at the hospital.

As I quietly ate my dinner I wondered why some are so stupid.

[Naturist Mark]

Good on you.

However, it should never have fallen to you alone to deal with the punk. Every person in that room, male and female, should have stood up to show the kid that stopping violence is everyone's business.

"Private business" ends when you raise your hand against another.

-Mark

[FireProf]

I've always liked you Nackt.........but now I love you!

Too many people nowadays just look the other way and figure it's none of their business when a wrong is being done to someone.

Being a child of an abused mother, I'm very, very glad you did what you did and only wish I had been there to get a lick in myself.

[Nudeinbama]

Super and Congradulations. I am proud of and for you. More should certainly do the same.
NudeinBama

[aquaboy2001]

Now, hopefully, the girl will stay away from him. Good for you for stepping in!

[usmc1]

Props to you dude.

[Naturist Mark]

Now, hopefully, the girl will stay away from him.

Sadly, probably not (http://www.acadv.org/dating.html).

[Jason Lee]

Teen Dating Statistics May 2000

About one in three high school students have been or will be involved in an abusive relationship.

Forty percent of teenage girls ages 14 to 17 say they know someone their age who has been hit or beaten by a boyfriend.

In one study, from 30 to 50 percent of female high school students reported having already experienced teen dating violence.

Teen dating violence most often takes place in the home of one of the partners.

In 1995, 7 percent of all murder victims were young women who were killed by their boyfriends.

One in five or 20 percent of dating couples report some type of violence in their relationship.

One of five college females will experience some form of dating violence.
A survey of 500 young women, ages 15 to 24, found that 60 percent were currently involved in an ongoing abusive relationship and all participants had experienced violence in a dating relationship.

One study found that 38 percent of date rape victims were young women from 14 to 17 years of age.

A survey of adolescent and college students revealed that date rape accounted for 67 percent of sexual assaults.

More than half young women raped (68 percent) knew their rapist either as a boyfriend, friend or casual acquaintance.

Six out of 10 rapes of young women occur in their own home or a friend or relative's home, not in a dark alley.

More than 4 in every 10 incidents of domestic violence involves non-married persons.

[aquaboy2001]

Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Now, hopefully, the girl will stay away from him.

Sadly, probably not (http://www.acadv.org/dating.html). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's really true of both dating and marriage. I said it with my fingers crossed, knowing that often the girl goes right back and sympathizes with him. How sad. But, hopefully she doesn't.

[KetchumMaine]

While I support you standing up for the girl, I would caution you about confronting anyone you don't know. I am 6 feet tall and 250+ pounds, and I wouldn't confront such a person unless I were sure, unless I could bring him down with a single move. He may have either weapons or training of which you may not be aware. It is better to be safe than dead. It may have been better if you had stepped outside and made a quick 911 call on a cell phone indicating an "assault in progress".

Also, be aware that he may bring charges against you for assault. With the legal system being what it is, you could end up doing jail time.

[hm0504]

Originally posted by KetchumMaine:
While I support you standing up for the girl, I would caution you about confronting anyone you don't know. I am 6 feet tall and 250+ pounds, and I wouldn't confront such a person unless I were sure, unless I could bring him down with a single move. He may have either weapons or training of which you may not be aware. It is better to be safe than dead. It may have been better if you had stepped outside and made a quick 911 call on a cell phone indicating an "assault in progress".

Also, be aware that he may bring charges against you for assault. With the legal system being what it is, you could end up doing jail time.

By nacktman's account, there were plenty of witnesses and he handled it in a reasoned way -- giving the offender a chance to first desist. That wouldn't stop a lawsuit but frankly one has to ask whether that risk should stop one from doing the right thing.

You make a good point about the potential danger of weapons or training. Nacktman, if I recall correctly is an ex-Marine, so he fortunately would likely be able to better analyze and deal with such a situation. For those of us who are not, I'd suggest we first call 911 (as nacktman had the clerk do) and organize with whoever was nearby before intervening.

[aquaboy2001]

He also lunged at nacktman and attacked him first.

[hm0504]

Originally posted by aquaboy2001:
He also lunged at nacktman and attacked him first.

Being the genteel sort, I didn't, and don't, know what nacktman meant by "I whipped the boy's a$$" so I wasn't quite sure what proceeded the boy's attack on nacktman.

[usmc1]

Originally posted by KetchumMaine:
While I support you standing up for the girl, I would caution you about confronting anyone you don't know. I am 6 feet tall and 250+ pounds, and I wouldn't confront such a person unless I were sure, unless I could bring him down with a single move. He may have either weapons or training of which you may not be aware. It is better to be safe than dead. It may have been better if you had stepped outside and made a quick 911 call on a cell phone indicating an "assault in progress".

Also, be aware that he may bring charges against you for assault. With the legal system being what it is, you could end up doing jail time.

Nacktman and one or two others here have the ability and training to handle such situations.

According to Nacktman's account, it clearly became self-defense when the knothead made two attempts to hit him before he dropped the floor on him.

And, this attitude that one can't intervene or "get involved" in instances of public abuse of anyone, whether woman, man or child, out of fear of violence or reprisal, just absolutely bites!

Some things require action, regardless the consequences.

If you can't do it yourself, call on those standing by to assist you.

The woman could have been seriously injured, maimed or dead by the time the cops were able to respond.

Nope, Nacktman, did the right thing...dithering would have sufficed nothing.

If you're fearful, take a self-defense class, becuse, you never know when you will become the target.

And IT IS NOT BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN DEAD when some knothead is mal-thumping someone weaker.
That is precisely the attitude on the part of way too many people, which has allowed the thugs, punks, dopers, jackers, and scum to take over too many of our streets.

Damn, when did we become so fearful?

I blame it all on T-Ball and Reagan.

[tinner666]

Good for You!!! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif It's just a fact that a-holes are not 'men', and need instruction. Some need lots of 'instruction'. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif

[Nude in the North]

And if somehow you should end up in court, just hire Denny Crane to defend you. And demand a Jury trial. I doubt you could find 12 people that would all side with the woman beater.

Your safer than OJ.

Steve

[Naturist Mark]

I would caution you about confronting anyone you don't know. I am 6 feet tall and 250+ pounds, and I wouldn't confront such a person unless I were sure, unless I could bring him down with a single move. He may have either weapons or training of which you may not be aware. It is better to be safe than dead. It may have been better if you had stepped outside and made a quick 911 call on a cell phone indicating an "assault in progress".


There is truth in this, but it just isn't acceptable. We are not worthy of our freedom if we allow an assault to occur in our presence and we have the ability to do something about it.

Often words will be enough. The bad behavior - at that particular place and time, will stop when they realize people are watching, and judging them.

In this case it wasn't enough. That is where the people in the Wendy's failed Nacktman. The punk was willing to stand up to one disapproving adult. It is unlikely he would have been confident or reckless enough if 10 men and women stood up. Don't let the punk think he is in for a fair fight - he doesn't deserve it - he wasn't giving that option to 'his girl'.

I've seen it work. We had a bully smack his wife/girlfriend(?) at a resort several years ago. The nearest guy said "we don't do that here", and he got lip back about minding his own business. That's when 6 other guys stood up and faced him. He backed down and had packed up and left the park within 30 minutes - saved us the trouble of having him tossed out (I'm pretty sure he got put on the 'no admit' list).

Note: don't expect the bully's victim to thank you. They usually defend him and stick with him. If you are lucky, she might listen - and it can't hurt to offer her a safe ride home or a cab. But don't be surprised if she turns on her 'rescuers'. Ask any cop.

-Mark

[K and C]

couldnt have handled it better myself nackt.... Good for you!!

[Jim M]

By nacktman's account, there were plenty of witnesses and he handled it in a reasoned way -- giving the offender a chance to first desist. That wouldn't stop a lawsuit but frankly one has to ask whether that risk should stop one from doing the right thing.

You make a good point about the potential danger of weapons or training. Nacktman, if I recall correctly is an ex-Marine, so he fortunately would likely be able to better analyze and deal with such a situation. For those of us who are not, I'd suggest we first call 911 (as nacktman had the clerk do) and organize with whoever was nearby before intervening.[/QUOTE]
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First of all, you should never turn your back to an enraged man you have already confronted. All the military training in the world is not going to stop him from blowing the back of your head off, or getting a knife in the back of the neck. This punk has already showed by slapping his girlfriend around in public, that he is not afraid of a confrontation, to include law enforcement. Fortunately, he was not armed. Reason's as such, is why years ago I obtained my conceled weapons permit, and carry most of the time, and yes I would have stopped him in a hurry, by what ever means the situation required. USMC 1 to answer your question "When did we become so fearful?"........The Court System has created alot of it... When a burglar can break into your home in the middle of the night, you shoot him, his family sues, because of such a good person he was, and his family ends up owning your home.....I will have to take my chances on such a scenario. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.

Jim

[nacktman]

Well, to answer a few questions:

They were the only other people in the Wendy's at the time other than the staff so it was me or nobody.
The staff was engaged with the drive up window when I first saw the boy (who I have found out just turned 18 last week), hit the girl.
I had no intention of allowing him to do so again even though I used the phrase "If you hit her again you'll be tangling with me."
I turned my back to him to forced him to move away from her and toward me thinking I could not evade his attack.
I am not one of the stupid ones for I had placed placed myself between the order counter and the condiment counter as I spoke to the boy and locked eyes on him until I turned away so he had to move around the condiment counter to get to me.
He was armed with a knife but he never got to use it.
He had a good two inches on me.
We probally weighed around the same.
I had four decades on him.
He was "high" on something - as was she.
I was as sober as a judge.
In short he never stood a chance.
Yep, it was ruled "self defense" on my part.

As of today he is still in jail unable to make bail, charged with:
Assault (2 counts)
Aggrevated Assault (2 counts)
Assualt on a Female
Assault and Battery
Assualt with intent to Kill
Carrying a conceled weapon
Carrying an illegal weapon
Posession of a controled substance with intent (2 counts)
Posession on drug paraphilnalia (2 counts)
Creating a Public Disturbance
Damage to Private Property (3 counts)
Conveying a Threat (12 Counts)

Unfortunately some of you are correct the young lady tried to defend him saying he did not hit her. But everyone there including the police and paramedics knew she was lying and told her so. The black eye she had when the police got there was not there when she came in according to the clerk who waited on them.
The staff all pressed charges as well as the ones leveled by the DA based on the police report.

I still wonder why some are so stupid.

Oh, and there is no such thing as an EX-MARINE!
Oo-rah!


(Also, one of the staff turned out to be a Squid just out of the active service and was more than ready and able to cover my six should I have needed it and it was his raised eyebrow that alerted me that the boy was beginning to make his move - if the racket he was making wasn't enough of a clue.)

[Jim M]

As of today he is still in jail unable to make bail, charged with:
Assault (2 counts)
Aggrevated Assault (2 counts)
Assualt on a Female
Assault and Battery
Assualt with intent to Kill
Carrying a conceled weapon
Carrying an illegal weapon
Posession of a controled substance with intent (2 counts)
Posession on drug paraphilnalia (2 counts)
Creating a Public Disturbance
Damage to Private Property (3 counts)
Conveying a Threat (12 Counts)
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Hope this thread is made of elastic....lol

[krcNY]

How do you feel about swearing in front of or at females?

I think the abusive language is just the beginning to an abusive relationship. It works both ways...women need to respect their men as well. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[nacktman]

krcNY, my being a Southern Gentleman from the "Old School" means you do not do anything to offend or harm a lady, a child or the aged without dire consequences.

In the case of abusive language toward or in the presence of a lady, let's just say the phrase "them's fighting words" is taken literally and the offending 'person' is given a lesson in proper decorum ... in whatever medium they would comprehend the quickest.

We still open the door for a lady and say 'good day' and 'you're welcome' and mean it or at least those of my generation do around these here parts.

[walter05]

krcNY;

I am also a southerner. I agree with nacktman on being polite. However, here in coastal Georgia, there is one difference.

Improper language is generally not appropriate to anyone regardless of gender. We should always conduct ourselves in a respectful and polite manner.

You can also expect strangers to wave, say Hi! and ask you how you are doing here.

[FireProf]

Don't want to veer off topic but it does kinda go hand in hand with the original post and younger people nowadays.

It seems to me that younger people don't think much about offending anyone and feel that swearing, even in casual conversation, belching and flatulance in the presence of others, especially women/girls is okay and or accepted.

I had to repremand a subordinate at the lunch table in the fire house when he did all three of those things, I mentioned above, while the secretary was joining us for lunch on that day.

This young man (30 y.o) had the audacity to tell me it wasn't a big deal and it didn't offend her. I replied that, "just because she laughed didn't mean she wasn't offended and by the way.......it offended me as well."

I'm amazed at how many compliments I get by women when I open the door for them, allow them to proceed first through a door, help them with lifting objects, picking up something they've dropped and many other small, insignificant nice things some men still do for women.

but.......to answer your question krcNY, NO, I do not like nor do I tolerate swearing in front of women, at women or do I tolerate swearing in casual conversation while others are around that can hear you.

I'm no saint. I was a Sailor and can talk like one, drink like on and spend money like a drunken one!! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

But, not in front of women! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

[Nu]

Well said, FireProf.

[usmc1]

Well, I think what is missing is the understanding that for every right one has, there is an equal responsibility.

We have the freedom to speak, but we have the responsibility to choose what we say to what audience. I often wonder what my poor old grandmother would think about some of the things that appear on bumper stickers let alone said in mixed company.

But, having said this, I do not think rudeness and boorish behavior rises to the level of physical abuse. One does not always have to intervene just because the air is turning purple, but when someone's body parts are, one should intervene.

[alfredr]

My Mama always said, "Stupid is as stupid does." Some people were never taught to make intelligent choices and some are just stupid all on their own.

And would such direct intervention by someone without Nacktman's Marine training have to be considered a stupid choice?

I once met a man who had been a Texas Ranger, (maybe there is no such thing as an Ex-Texas ranger, either) who felt that he had been sworn to uphold the law (Texas law?) where ever and whenever he might be, even if that was New York City. And that he had the right, no, the obligation, to carry his weapon at all times. I have no doubt he would have intervened also.

But for most of us, the call to 911 would be the smart choice.

But I also applaud Nacktman for his actions.

[krcNY]

Originally posted by usmc1:
Well, I think what is missing is the understanding that for every right one has, there is an equal responsibility.

We have the freedom to speak, but we have the responsibility to choose what we say to what audience. I often wonder what my poor old grandmother would think about some of the things that appear on bumper stickers let alone said in mixed company.

But, having said this, I do not think rudeness and boorish behavior rises to the level of physical abuse. One does not always have to intervene just because the air is turning purple, but when someone's body parts are, one should intervene.

I seen the verbal abusive teen become a physically abusive adult.
I was at school the other day and could not get over the language to each other and it did not even matter that there was an adult with a toddler standing there. I do not remember the students being like that when I went to high school.

Yes, If I saw an physical abuse situation...I would definately call the police and get help to intervene.

[NudistGuy47]

Originally posted by usmc1:
Well, I think what is missing is the understanding that for every right one has, there is an equal responsibility.

I believe many of us forget this. Maybe we should repeat this to ourselves each morning as we befin our day. Maybe then, it will help shape our behaviors toward others.

[missouriboy]

Well, I think ... that for every right one has, there is an equal responsibility. Hooray, so do I! Including the "right to a retirement with dignity." http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

Seriously though, it's a shame that young people are becoming so uncouth. Hey, didn't the folks around Aristotle's time say something similar?

[shãybare]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cool4.gif
You got it, MoBoy. Teens are teens no matter what era one is in. And stupidity has always been around.

[nacktman]

Lack of 'couth' has ever been the bane of the next generation as seen by the current generation and all ways will be ... granted.

However, abusive behavior has never been tolerated (that is, until the recent Political Correctness plauge and suit happy lawyers), and it is the duty of all to insure abusive behavior is stopped and stopped by whatever means will enable the offender to know the error of his ways the quickest.

In the particular case I cited above the young 'man' (now there's a misnomer for you, but I digress), needed to experience the recieving end of the treatment he was dishing out for it to make a dent into his mind (ok, and his forehad, jaw, and a few other places ... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif). Hopefully the one experience will educate him and he will not require additional education - doubtful, but one has to hope.

[hm0504]

The Government of Ontario has been frequently broadcasting this excellent ad regarding abusive relationships among teens. Check it out:
http://www.equalityrules.ca/en/tv_ad.html

[nacktman]

Update ... if any are interested ...

From reliable sources (the staff at the Wendys):

The young girl in this story has awoken to the reality of her "relationship' with the numb-nuts and has kicked him to the curb as it were.

From other reliable sources (the county sheriff's office):

The same said numb-nutted individual is still a guest at his Inn, being unable to secure bond pending trial.

[fred950]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif And I hope for her sake (and the sake of so many others) she never falls for that sweet talk again.

I've taught both of my daughters... when it comes to hitting in anger...ONE STRIKE, YERRR OUT!!

[nacktman]

Further Update:

Numb-nuts plead guilty to all counts today.
He faces at least a decade behind bars and the judge deciding on sentence has not been known to be that soft.
The boy could be nigh on to 50 when he gets out.

[barenaked1]

There is NEVER any reason for talking down to any gender, whether it be male or female. We all deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.

[nacktman]

barenaked1, sorry but you are quite mistaken in this case.

The individual in question was beating on a young female and had the dim witted gall to think he would be allowed to continue to do so.

He was mistaken.

His deserving of dignity and respect ceased to exist with the first swing of his fist toward the young lady.

[gymnasthorse]

I think some people were born with out there brains!!! WOW! That's horrible. You did the right thing. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[barenaked1]

Originally posted by nacktman:
barenaked1, sorry but you are quite mistaken in this case.

The individual in question was beating on a young female and had the dim witted gall to think he would be allowed to continue to do so.

He was mistaken.

His deserving of dignity and respect ceased to exist with the first swing of his fist toward the young lady.
I don't believe I was saying the male in question was correct. I only stated that whatever the male in this case was doing did not have the right to talk down, injure or insult another, regardless of the gender. Please take my comment within the proper context.

[nacktman]

Last update (or at least it should be for the next 27.3 years that is).

This afternoon the judge sentenced numb-nuts to enough time in prison that if the calculations are right he will not be able to seek parole for 27 and 1/3 years from today.

Do you think he 'woke up', yet?
Or, is the next almost 3 decades going to give him enough time to do so?

[nacktman]

larry, don't know if numb-nuts had a prior record, didn't go to the court, and as he just turned 18 it would have been a juvenile record so we would be privy to it anyway.

As to the long sentence -- the judge is known for not being too soft on felonies or felons and the list was a long one.

[Ken Palmer]

Ain't that the truth Naturist Mark?

Ken Palmer


Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
Good on you.

However, it should never have fallen to you alone to deal with the punk. Every person in that room, male and female, should have stood up to show the kid that stopping violence is everyone's business.

"Private business" ends when you raise your hand against another.

-Mark

[warthogtfc]

i wish more ppl would be like that.

rock on

[usmc1]

Originally posted by l2ltlarry:
When I was a teenager, there was a couple named Wilson who owned the County Line Beer Joint, more commonly referred to for reasons unknown as The Bloody Bucket. One Sunday evening, my dad and some friends went there to drink and found it closed. They went to the house adjacent to the beer joint and found (Mr.) Wilson lying on the couch, drunk. When they couldn't find Mrs. Wilson, they started looking for her. They found her dead in a closet, having been shot with a shotgun.

Wilson got 5 years for her murder.

Did Mr. Stupid have a prior record that caused the long prison sentence? I can't remember if you said earlier. I think I saw recently that prison boarding costs $72,000 per year per person in our area. 27 years times $72,000 seems like a lot to keep the guy out of circulation.

I guess everyplace in America has its Bloody Bucket, except ours was called Bucket of Blood. Almost apocryphal.

Nightly fights, occasional shootings and periodic stabbings and on-going, after-hours fornications.

I couldn't wait until I got to high-school, so I could go there. Yep, they "served". Danged old sheriff and his "depadees" were on the take.

But, as to the "light" sentence your villain got, I think that violence against women is becoming less tolerable than it was a few decades ago. It was cases such as yours that raised awareness and brought domestic violence laws, training of polcie officers and stiffer sentences from the courts.

We've come a ways, but we still ahve a long, long way to go. I think Nacktman's experience proves the point that there are still way too many men who think it is ok to mal-thump women and way, way too many buttheads willing to stand around with their hands in their pocket to let it happen.

Maybe the next step is to go after the root causes.

[wolfman2]

Wherever it is - punks in a subway - idiot´s robbing gas stations - idiot´s hitting woman - still too many people look away (specially parents "teaching kids a lesson "in public)

But then i wanted to help a woman in a similar scene in Dijon (at Mc Donalds) and SHE started attacking ME.I told that idiot to keep his hands still (he hit her twice badly) and SHE told me to f...o...

Aks me if i want to do that again.OK i will not hold still next time but i gonna ask the lady first if she WANTS HELP from me.

And for using bad language - 2 weeks ago i cut my hand badly and i dont think anyone can hold
the one or the other word back in a situation like that (woman present or not) but swearing AT a woman and you are just on step closer to hit her.

[usmc1]

Originally posted by wolfman2:
Wherever it is - punks in a subway - idiot´s robbing gas stations - idiot´s hitting woman - still too many people look away (specially parents "teaching kids a lesson "in public)

But then i wanted to help a woman in a similar scene in Dijon (at Mc Donalds) and SHE started attacking ME.I told that idiot to keep his hands still (he hit her twice badly) and SHE told me to f...o...

Aks me if i want to do that again.OK i will not hold still next time but i gonna ask the lady first if she WANTS HELP from me.

And for using bad language - 2 weeks ago i cut my hand badly and i dont think anyone can hold
the one or the other word back in a situation like that (woman present or not) but swearing AT a woman and you are just on step closer to hit her.

The wolfman is right on. Abuse is abuse and violence is violence whether physical, verbal or psychological and all take their toll on individuals and society. Domestic violence, predominately, but not soley, related to drug and alcohol abuse, is a bane.

And way, way too many people do not want to get involved when they see it happen. In my opinion they are culpable

It is a sad truism that offenders create victims who often themselves become offenders.

[Naturist Mark]

Wilson got 5 years for her murder.

Good thing he didn't have any crack on him, or he would have got 15 years.

Because drugs are so much worse than murder in America.

Priorities.

-Mark

[missouriboy]

But then i wanted to help a woman in a similar scene in Dijon (at Mc Donalds) and SHE started attacking ME.I told that idiot to keep his hands still (he hit her twice badly) and SHE told me to f...o... When you witness an abuser abusing "his" woman, better think twice about intervening (unless it's to stop a potentially fatal event). Here's why the the woman fought you... she knows she will get it even worse after they reach privacy, because an abuser blames and punishes his victim for everything, including the fact that you intervened. So unless you are prepared to see the situation all the way through to their permanent separation... ??? Think twice before starting something you are unable to finish.

[missouriboy]

I often see your comments as having much good sense. Too many people don't adequately see the big picture. l2ltlarry, thank you for the kind words. I also enjoy reading every word you write.

[nacktman]

Fear of a little inconvenience is precisly why nothing is done by others.
One should ALWAYS intervene and stop the battery and do so by what ever means will make the most lasting impression on the idiot doing the battering.

In the case of the numb-nuts in the Wendys he thought he could beat on 'his' girl and no one would say anything much less do anything ... and you know he was probally right, with all the timidity out there ... his bad luck was that I wasn't and am not one of the timid ones.
His shock and rage that anyone would stand up to him was comical to see and I know he thought any old, grey and balding man, who dared to speak up would back down from him simply if he yelled and threatened ... he was wrong.
I know he thought he could beat me up after he realized he wasn't going to frighten me off, after all I am old, grey and balding ... again he was mistaken.
The few seconds that followed where the last the idiot saw outside a cell in the county courthouse until he was introduced to his cell in the state prison ... ok, so there was the time in the hospital ER, but let's not count that shall we.
The point is this moron thought he could do what he wanted and he couldn't and he is paying for that thought ... and it turned out to be a really expensive thought.

The best part of all this is that I still get my dinner free at that Wendys each time I have been back in there since then! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/yes.gif

[usmc1]

Nacktman, Ithink I know what the gulf of understanding here is for some folks. Marines are trained to "move to the sound of the guns." Most of us, except for a ten-percent group of brig-rats and sh**birds are constitutionally incapable of anything other than responding with honor, courage and commitment to a crises.

We have no choice, action is part of the thinking process. For most people, it is way counter intuitive to step toward or into the middle of trouble; self-preservation and fear dictates flight of one form or another.

Trying to justify or explain our reaction to danger to those who have not experienced our training or life experiences is like trying to explain the color red to someone who is blind...they just can't grasp it.

It is not their fault they are lacking. All they've had is their mommas and daddies, they've never had a gunny to get their brain pans screwed on right.

[wolfman2]

Sorry i was in the army but i "never had a gunny"
At least not the way you guy´s but whatever the risks are i cant hold still - whatever they do in the privacy of the home is not my problem but if a small 5.2 woman gets a blow from a 6.2 bloke of 200 pounds i will not hold still.I had the whole bloody place behind me (30 customers plus the staff)

Missousiboy i would have been able to finish what i have started (6.4 25 years of windsurfing 6 years of martial arts) but like i posted before i dont believe guns (or blows) solve problems and so this ended in heavy verbal abuse from his side

The point i was aiming at was the SHE told me to f... o...

I cant understand woman that live with lowlifes like that for whatever reason they have.

greetings
wolf

[Naturist Mark]

The point i was aiming at was the SHE told me to f... o...

I cant understand woman that live with lowlifes like that for whatever reason they have.

It is an old story. Those women (and girls) are conditioned by their abusers to accept their punishment, and even to believe they deserve it. I posted a link on this behavior on the first page of this topic - here it is again: dating violence. (http://www.acadv.org/dating.html)

-Mark