Fitness and nudism

[naked buff]

Fitness and nudism used to go hand in hand. I refer to the original nudists of the 1930´s to 1950´s era, when nudists also believed in eating healthy foods at a time when medicine focused on intervention rather than prevention, and there weren´t so many warnings out about the dangers of the typical American cuisine. Nudist philosophy went, however, beyond healthy eating practices. One of the benefits of nudism, aside from the conviction that there were significant health benefits to full exposure to sun and air, was that exposing one´s entire body encouraged one to keep one´s body in shape, thereby enhancing one´s physical appearance. Today, we hear more about body acceptance and constant denials that one should judge others´ nude bodies aesthetically.

For example, the author Parmalee wrote in his book Nudity In Modern Life, between the wars, that nudism made for a better way to select a mate precisely because one sees the entire body of the opposite sex and therefore can better judge who is the best suited to reproduce with. If I remember correctly, he stated that in a clothed society, one judges a mate´s potential based on face and hair, while, in a nudist setting, a potential mate´s health and therefore true aptitude as a reproductive partner influence one´s choice.
I am not in favor of judging people´s bodies based on how svelte they are, nor on the size of their primary and secondary sex characteristics, but using social nudity as a spur to improve one´s physical fitness and appearance is a worthy objective and one that we should encourage more than "body acceptance."

[naked buff]

Fitness and nudism used to go hand in hand. I refer to the original nudists of the 1930´s to 1950´s era, when nudists also believed in eating healthy foods at a time when medicine focused on intervention rather than prevention, and there weren´t so many warnings out about the dangers of the typical American cuisine. Nudist philosophy went, however, beyond healthy eating practices. One of the benefits of nudism, aside from the conviction that there were significant health benefits to full exposure to sun and air, was that exposing one´s entire body encouraged one to keep one´s body in shape, thereby enhancing one´s physical appearance. Today, we hear more about body acceptance and constant denials that one should judge others´ nude bodies aesthetically.

For example, the author Parmalee wrote in his book Nudity In Modern Life, between the wars, that nudism made for a better way to select a mate precisely because one sees the entire body of the opposite sex and therefore can better judge who is the best suited to reproduce with. If I remember correctly, he stated that in a clothed society, one judges a mate´s potential based on face and hair, while, in a nudist setting, a potential mate´s health and therefore true aptitude as a reproductive partner influence one´s choice.
I am not in favor of judging people´s bodies based on how svelte they are, nor on the size of their primary and secondary sex characteristics, but using social nudity as a spur to improve one´s physical fitness and appearance is a worthy objective and one that we should encourage more than "body acceptance."

[NudistGuy47]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Fitness and nudism used to go hand in hand. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Ahh, yes," he says somewhat tongue in cheek. "The good old days!"

(I am being facetious here and sharing a bit of humor.)

I too would like to see the focus of nudism be more of a focus on personal fitness and health. I would like the AANR clubs, in order to maintain their standing as ANNR clubs, offer some exercise programs for all members. These classes could be a mix of different exercise philosophies to meet the needs of the club members.

I know this is wishful thinking on my part, so I will step down from my soapbox and go lounge by the pool with my drink with that wonderful umbrella stuck in the glass.

[barelybob]

That is my personal philosophy. If it isn't covered up, I am more inclined to keep my body in better shape. Some might say it's an ego thing. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Ben_m]

I think my naturist practice and fitness are very much related. As much as I love hiking and trail running and such as a textile I had completely given it up. I probably have the lingering effects of heat related illness and without the ability for that heat to escape (trapped in textiles) I just didn't enjoy it. Now, I love it again and can't do it enough (even though I hike/trail run daily, weather permitting). I also do my (indoor) exercise routine nude and I can't imagine that I would have stuck with that either if it were textiled.

I certainly agree about accepting EVERYONE exactly as as they are, however. And while I'm not sure I like the idea of "buffing up" to present oneself naked to the world much at all, I do see a possible relationship here, if we want to make it that way and it has worked that way for me.

[halfbare]

Funny this topic should come up now - just yesterday I decided I needed to lose a few pounds (again) and thought that actually snapping a few pictures of myself clothesfree would help get me motivated. So I took some outdoor shots (nice sunny day), and of course that confirmed my need for getting back in shape. Hopefully in a few months I can take some more photos and see a difference.

[Benedikt]

i usually start the day doing stretching exercises naked

My goal is to get my waist back down to where Ben's is. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif While I don't walk as much as he does, I do walk as often as possible, and I'm being more careful about my eating habits. I'm determined to slim down and feel better. Oh yes, they had an accupuncture specialist at Lake Como today, and I took advantage of it, although I have no idea what good it did. Anyway, all the money they get from that goes to help the Katrina victims.

[naked buff]

Feeling good about oneself is not just about acceptance. It is good to accept the things about one´s body that one cannot change, such as height, facial features, etc. But we are self-made creatures, too, and we can change much of our destiny. I'm not in favor of forcing every nudist to exercise or diet, but I do believe that the nudist movement needs to return to an idea of enhancing human beauty. Nudism used to have the all-over tan as its badge of membership, but since skin cancer has received so much attention, that may no longer be. Maybe the new "uniform" should be a toned, trim body, or at least one whose owner doesn't let it self-destruct through a fattening diet and lack of exercise.
Not enough women participate in nudism. Maybe they would like it better, gentlemen, if we had better bodies.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naked buff:
Feeling good about oneself is not just about acceptance. It is good to accept the things about one´s body that one cannot change, such as height, facial features, etc. But we are self-made creatures, too, and we can change much of our destiny. I'm not in favor of forcing every nudist to exercise or diet, but I do believe that the nudist movement needs to return to an idea of enhancing human beauty. Nudism used to have the all-over tan as its badge of membership, but since skin cancer has received so much attention, that may no longer be. Maybe the new "uniform" should be a toned, trim body, or at least one whose owner doesn't let it self-destruct through a fattening diet and lack of exercise.
Not enough women participate in nudism. Maybe they would like it better, gentlemen, if we had better bodies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My dad used to say that the way a person caries him/herself is a reflection of how they feel about themselvess. For example, someone who dresses sloppy and umkempt, may not not they are of worth. My dad is a doctor and he often observed that is obese patients are depress and many have placed themselves in their obesity.

Back to nudism. I think that nudism has too many obese people. Obesity is a problem in America and it is absolutely disturbing that nudist themselves and those who run the many nudist organizations have not done anything at all to bring the issue to light. Then I realized, many of them too are obese.

I further realized that to address the issue, a lot of nudist will be force to confront their pain. I am a believer that a lot of obese people have emotinal isssues and use food as a way to avoid those issues. I should know, as a kid, I was overweight.

It is time that nudists bring the issue to light. Obesity does a disservice to nudism. I have invited some friends to join me to a nude beach and many decline. One common reason, they do not wish to see obese people nude...I can understand that as I have been there. I just now tollerate it...in order to enjoy social nudism, I must accept whatever comes with it.

If nudism also focused on fitness, many overweight and obese people can make change for better and help nudism. How? 1) Nudist themselves will be more content about their body 2) Increasse awareness of nudism and also attract otherss 3) Create partnerships and networks among nudists trying to lose weight. This helps people stick to the weight loss.

One opinion I have about nudism is that it is a LAZY hobby. It disturbs me to see nudists spend good money to attend gatherings, resorts, campgrounds and all they manage to do is sit on their as*es by the pool and do nothing.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Croydon:

Back to nudism. I think that nudism has too many obese people. Obesity is a problem in America and it is absolutely disturbing that nudist themselves and those who run the many nudist organizations have not done anything at all to bring the issue to light. Then I realized, many of them too are obese.
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America has too many obese people. Should we discriminate against them? Wouldn't America be healthier if we got rid of "them"?

At least at nudist resorts there are more opportunities for physical activities and less prejudice against the unfit to keep people from participating. If we notch up our "disapproval" of obese people, we will be contibuting to a worsening of the problem rather than its solution.

Nudism is a cross section of society, there is no criteria for who can participate (except marital status at some clubs). But nudists do tend to be older, whiter, more financially settled than the population as a whole - not overwhelming so, but statistically so. It is no surprise that there are plenty of obese people. If you think they are unusually so, go to a mall and take an obesity census.

People at a resort are usually doing relaxing activities - just like textiles for an alarming number that means sitting around and drinking. But I suspect the number who choose to relax by engaging in physical activities is greater than average because of the variety of activities available.

-Mark

[roadrambler2]

I think everyone who is physicaly able to exersize should. If one wants to enjoy life to the fullest, he/she owes it to ones self to be mentally and physically fit. Just do it!!!!!!
Run Well and Smooth-------Roadrambler

[grj2004]

I find it very strange that considering that yoga was originally practised naked there is virtually not a single book on the subject that makes any suggestion that it should be practised naked today. Either there are references to loose clothing or clothing that will move with the body. Also, while there are a very few nude yoga classes around they all seem to be for men only. Are there no women's or mixed naked yoga classes in the world?

[Boreas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by grj2004:
I find it very strange that considering that yoga was originally practised naked there is virtually not a single book on the subject that makes any suggestion that it should be practised naked today. Either there are references to loose clothing or clothing that will move with the body. Also, while there are a very few nude yoga classes around they all seem to be for men only. Are there no women's or mixed naked yoga classes in the world? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is very interesting. Was yoga originally a male only activity?

My female yoga teacher has attended nude yoga classes in Mexico. I don't know any details. I ahve also seen websites somewhere that advertise nude yoga. I suspect that if you type in "Nude Yoga" in a search engine you will find something.

Good luck.

[need2Bnude]

I and an office mate of mine (gal) both agreed at the same time that its not how you look with clothes on, but without. Wish she was a nudist, but thats another story. In any case if she's not a nudist, she realizes the importance of looking good with out clothes. I know that because I shed my clothes, I want to be appealing, and for that I choose to exercise so that I can look good without clothes. Fitness and Nudism, yes they should go together.

[WacoTX]

Clubs should employ an activities director to promote physical activity. These activities would be voluntary of course but by having these available some will be attracted. Yoga and tai chi would be ideal activities to promote. A weight room with Nautilus machines would also be good. Aerobics in the pool. There are a lot of activities that could be offered.

Most times what people don't realize is that being fit really has no relation to weight.

When I was going to the gym regularly I was outlifting most of the men there and was still over 200 pounds.

And most thin people are NOT fit.

[Nudony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And most thin people are NOT fit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's just as bad as saying most overweight people will die young. Let's not get wrapped up in generalizations or assumptions....one way or another.

[myllanac]

I find nudism to be a great motivator to stay fit.

[Vin]

Halfbare may be onto something there. An album of before and after photos might just provide the kick in the pants some of us need to get off our duffs and get in better shape.

Hmm, something to think about.
Vin

[FireProf]

I don't know.........exercise increases heart rate........you're only given so many heart beats in a lifetime, don't waste um! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

All kidding aside.........do it for your health, the heck with trying to look good. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I read about two men who were into running and exercise and eating right, and they both died of a heart attack from all the exercise around the age of 50.

Motto: Exercise and eating right are bad for you. Eat what you want and don't exercise, and you will live longer. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by myllanac:
I find nudism to be a great motivator to stay fit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Couldn't have agreed with you more. Nudism has made me more aware of my body. By being more aware, it motivates me to keep in shape

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by freedom2be:
I, personally, would rather be fat than to be this critical of fellow nudists. It amazes me that people think they are going to change someone's lives by criticizing them on this forum or any forum for that matter...as if heavy people don't already know they're heavy and what to do to change it.... I suggest if the site of obese people disturbs you and your friends at nudist places....don't go...your judgment of obese people is far more disturbing. This type of post seems quite possibly to be non-effective in reaching your goals...perhaps you should start on a local level...walk up to some obese people on the beach and offer some of your opinions and suggestions to lose weight...see how that goes over. Or perhaps you might think it rude to say these things to somebody's face? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I personally would never choose to be fat. Been there, done that and will NEVER allow myself to be overweight again.

I do not expect to change people's mind. Obesity is like drug or alcohol abuse..You can tell a drug user that drugs are bad and he/she needs help but until the abuser realizes that he/she needs help, all the talk and lecture will go in one ear and out the other. The same goes for obese people and needing to lose weight.

I was sure I would get flack and criticism for my statement. I come to realize that many will not "hear me out". Instead of pausing for a moment and being honest with thyself, many will just dismiss. I choose to be frank and not say things so gently.

You are assuming all fat people are fat for the same reason. Not!

I don't eat fast food, don't drink sodas, no white starches, very little salt, lots of chicken breast and salads.

IOW, no bad eating habits at all. I eat healthier than most average weight people.

So what am I abusing Croydon?

[nakednudists]

Croydon, some things should be kept to yourself.

[parrott7582]

just a thought....some of the people in great shape still drop dead of heart attacks...just because yur skinny doesnt mean yur healthy

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Obesity is like drug or alcohol abuse..You can tell a drug user that drugs are bad and he/she needs help but until the abuser realizes that he/she needs help, all the talk and lecture will go in one ear and out the other. The same goes for obese people and needing to lose weight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bull****

There is a multi-billion dollar industry dedicated to convincing obese people that they are worthless, weak and helpless - unless they pay for expert help. The industry is only so large and successful because it FAILS 95% of the time.

Every fat person KNOWS they need help, they KNOW they would be healthier with less weight, they KNOW it isn't easy because they've gone down that road two, three or four dozen times - Don't dare talk about lack of willpower to people who have dieted for decades.

Every one of you needs to get off your disapproving "I know what it was like because I was pudgy as a kid" high horse and show some ******* compassion and understanding. Encourage your local fatso to join you in whatever level of activity they are comfortable with, but remember the idea is to be happy and healthy, so leave the guilt trips behind and keep you narrow minded views about physical beauty to yourselves. A kind and generous spirit beats a firm butt any day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity
Let Them Eat Fat (http://www.plagueangel.net/shapeshift/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4&mode=thread&order=0)

-Mark

[BackpackerBrian]

I think I have posted a similar response in a forum before, so I won't waste anyone's time with my feelings on the American society of conspicious consumption and the obesity trend. In case you are interested though, read my first posting (http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3400016152/m/1200042953/r/7060083953#7060083953), second posting on "what's eating us," (http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3400016152/m/1200042953/r/5370008953#5370008953) or article on Obesity from Atlanta Journal-Constitution (http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3400016152/m/1200042953/r/6400097863#6400097863).

I would like to point out something Cyndiann said above about how she eats chicken breast. So, you know that to get more meat and to speed up the maturity of chickens, the farmers shoot up the chicks with growth hormone. What do you think happens to growth hormone when the chicken (or other animal) is eaten?? YOU GROW!!! Think about it.

[Hooked]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyndiannaked:
Most times what people don't realize is that being fit really has no relation to weight.

When I was going to the gym regularly I was outlifting most of the men there and was still over 200 pounds.

And most thin people are NOT fit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

woah woah woah! Way too many generalizations here. In the same vein, just because you can lift more than someone else doesn't make you more fit either. Fitness is overall well being and health and is a multi-faceted idea.

It's possible to be plump and healthy and it's possible to be thin and unhealthy but the reverse is also true. People have things to work with in their own fitness goals. Bad habits or self-abuse is one thing but medical conditions, genetics, psychological issues, lifestyle and many many more things are also involved and that's why it's really unfair to judge ANYONE be they fat or thin. No one here knows anyone elses total of circumstances and to presume to is pure folly.

One thing we all should agree on though, is that practicing nudism is a healthy thing http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Tara]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Croydon:
I should know, as a kid, I was overweight.

It is time that nudists bring the issue to light. Obesity does a disservice to nudism. I have invited some friends to join me to a nude beach and many decline. One common reason, they do not wish to see obese people nude...I can understand that as I have been there. I just now tollerate it...in order to enjoy social nudism, I must accept whatever comes with it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wow Croyden, I would think as a former fat kid (I should know, I was one myself) you would have a little more compassion and understanding for overweight people.

It seems quite apparent to me that you still hate and are disgusted at YOURSELF for being fat once in your life, and so you now project that hatred onto other overweight people.

I personally, don't have that hatred for myself, and perhaps that is why no one's naked body (while enjoying themselves and feeling comfortable) bothers me. Why should it? I would also never, ever, ever, surround myself with such shallow friends. Just like the color of someone's skin is not a concern of mine, neither is there size/shape.

Being healthy and fit is a wonderful goal, but the road to that place is different for everyone.

[Ben_m]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
I read about two men who were into running and exercise and eating right, and they both died of a heart attack from all the exercise around the age of 50.

Motto: Exercise and eating right are bad for you. Eat what you want and don't exercise, and you will live longer. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hmmm, not sure there are many absolutes here. I exercise a lot, so when the apparent genetics take over and I meet a probably inevitable relatively early demise like most of my relatives seem to be, should we blame the exercise? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[RalphVa]

Body parts and machinery are about the same. If you don't use all the parts on a regular basis, they go into decline.

Knew a guy during my college years who tested people for fitness and ran every day. He dropped dead of a heart attack, in marvelous shape at something just short of the age of 55.

So, some things will still get you possibly prematurely. Exercising will help you to enjoy the time you have left, especially if you do it naked.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tara:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Croydon:
I should know, as a kid, I was overweight.

It is time that nudists bring the issue to light. Obesity does a disservice to nudism. I have invited some friends to join me to a nude beach and many decline. One common reason, they do not wish to see obese people nude...I can understand that as I have been there. I just now tollerate it...in order to enjoy social nudism, I must accept whatever comes with it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wow Croyden, I would think as a former fat kid (I should know, I was one myself) you would have a little more compassion and understanding for overweight people.

It seems quite apparent to me that you still hate and are disgusted at YOURSELF for being fat once in your life, and so you now project that hatred onto other overweight people.

I personally, don't have that hatred for myself, and perhaps that is why no one's naked body (while enjoying themselves and feeling comfortable) bothers me. Why should it? I would also never, ever, ever, surround myself with such shallow friends. Just like the color of someone's skin is not a concern of mine, neither is there size/shape.

Being healthy and fit is a wonderful goal, but the road to that place is different for everyone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even though I was a former fat kid (up until age 19), I still have some compassion for obesity. My step mom is obese, she is 300+ pounds and it hurts me that she is that way. My dad worries himself b/c he believes she will die young and my 2 y/o sis will grow up without her mom...BUT my compassion is overshadowed by FRUSTRATION. I am frustrated at America for allowing themselves to become overweight, I am frustrated at parents for not monitoring their children's eating habit and activities, I am frustrated at overweight people not making a healthy lifestyle change.

Do I still hate myself for once being fat? You do have a slight point. I have never forgotten my fat days and think about those years every. I do not wish to forget. it is constant reminder of how sad I was as a kid and how much I hated myself.

This is not an isssue of shallowness. If I were shallow, my best friend would not be a 200lbs girl I do everything with and go everywhere with.

[naked buff]

We´re all different, and we shouldn´t expect persons to deny themselves the joys of nude recreation just because of their appearance, etc. It is true that some people really ruin their health to be thin. We all know these things and take them as a given.
At the same time, nudism in the "good ole days" really was both more marginal and involved more habits that varied from the norm than just going about naked. Nudists were more likely to eat health food and to be physically active than today, where most nudists who practice in camps live normal, hectic middle class lives and then go to relax in camps that have increasingly resort-style accommodations. In the heyday of nudism, members were expected to spend time maintaining the grounds and building facilities to keep their club going, and when they weren't at that, they were camping, rowing on lakes or rivers, playing volleyball, etc. The snack mentality hadn't taken over the country at that time, either. While I don't wish to criticize anyone else out there, it is obvious that there are cases, I am one of them, who, had I been alive and a nudist thirty years ago, I wouldn't be fifty pounds overweight. Also, I've had three long sojourns (of a year or longer each) overseas, and each time I maintained with little or no effort a weight that was at least fifty pounds lighter than my actual weight. So I know that it is not my destiny to look like this, but a combination of bad choices and living in my fattening country with my affluent kitchen. If it drives you crazy to think of it, that's fine, but most of us who are overweight were not meant to be this way, and a little bit of attention to the beauty of the human form that we reveal while practicing nudism is not the same as an obsession with slenderness or a lack of body acceptance.
Croydon, I don't think you said anything mean, and I value your opinion. You were right on the money.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naked buff:
So I know that it is not my destiny to look like this, but a combination of bad choices and living in my fattening country with my affluent kitchen. If it drives you crazy to think of it, that's fine, but most of us who are overweight were not meant to be this way, and a little bit of attention to the beauty of the human form that we reveal while practicing nudism is not the same as an obsession with slenderness or a lack of body acceptance.
Croydon, I don't think you said anything mean, and I value your opinion. You were right on the money. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you thank you thank you, you couldn't have said it more beautifully. It really is all about being truthful/honest with thyself. You are doing exactly that. Thank you. That is all I ask of many overweight people, to be honest, and most importantly, take responsibilty for your action, not blame outside forces. At the end of the say, the decisions and choices made about health, fitness, food are made by you.

Fortunately nudism isn't just for attractive and/or well-built people. If it was I couldn't participate. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Mountain Goat]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nudony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And most thin people are NOT fit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's just as bad as saying most overweight people will die young. Let's not get wrapped up in generalizations or assumptions....one way or another. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is not a generalisation. She says "most". And it is true to a certain degree. Most thin people are not thin, due to regular exercise or healthy eating (which is not just about fat reduction), but rather the fact that the consume as many kilojoules as they expend.

It is a fallacy of our age that thin people are necessary fit or healthy. Thinness only relates to body fat which is only one aspect of health or fitness.

Of course, an active person who eats well may also be thin. And overweight people are far less likely to be fit and health. And obese people will hardly ever / never be considered healthy or fit.

Fitness and health come from activity and nutrition, not by appearance.


Mountain Goat (not active due to a healing sprained ankle)

[jon_80]

I'm not going to rag on overweight people, but I will say that people do need to do their best to take care of themselves. Sure, some people are bigger (dare I say fatter) than others, and that's OK. But there are quite a lot of people who just let themselves go, and that's not cool. Definitely not cool for the eyesight. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm not for people obsessing over their weight. Just accept yourself and be healthy. I think your weight and how you look will take care of itself!

[Sanslines]

What about a related topic of smoking? Smoking is a legal activity and yet we are all told how harmful it is? Do we educate everyone to the harmful effects of smoking and then let people make their choice of to smoke or not to smoke and leave it at that? Do we ban smoking alltogether knowing full well that the governments rely heavily on those tobacco taxes? In our society, we don't seem to be sure what we really want. Do we want to strongly encourage everyone to be 'healthy' or do we let individuals chose as to how they want to live their lives? Do people even have the choice today as to when they can live and when they can die? Why do we as a society have such a problem to accept others no matter what they choose in life and in death? Perhaps we all need to give everyone factual information and then let them decide how they want to live their lives and then accept their decisions as we would want our own personal decisions to be accepted. As long as what you do does not affect others, then it should be accepted??

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mountain Goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nudony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And most thin people are NOT fit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's just as bad as saying most overweight people will die young. Let's not get wrapped up in generalizations or assumptions....one way or another. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is not a generalisation. She says "most". And it is true to a certain degree. Most thin people are not thin, due to regular exercise or healthy eating (which is not just about fat reduction), but rather the fact that the consume as many kilojoules as they expend.

It is a fallacy of our age that thin people are necessary fit or healthy. Thinness only relates to body fat which is only one aspect of health or fitness.

Of course, an active person who eats well may also be thin. And overweight people are far less likely to be fit and health. And obese people will hardly ever / never be considered healthy or fit.

Fitness and health come from activity and nutrition, not by appearance.


Mountain Goat (not active due to a healing sprained ankle) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are correct, thin doesn't always equate to fitness or good health. Case in point, in college, I had a roommate who was about 5'9 and 115lbs. He LOOKED FIT i.e. muscle tone and strong abs BUT he ate like crap. Everything he ate was fried and processed yet never gained a lb (stupid B*tch). I think he is quite unhealthy and will not be surprise if years from now he dies of heart attack.

We also need to remember that being overweight and/or obese is NOT healthy. Unlike people who have healthy weight, obese/overweight people's body work "overtime" and extra hard. Their heart has to pump faster and harder to circulate blood to the body. Imagine how much work that is on the organs. Let us not forget that overweight/obese people are MORE susceptible to heart disease, diabetes and body aches/joint problems. Diabetes can even lead to death, loss of body parts and blindness.

So what is best? To be obese or try to lose some lbs for your health?

My step mom is in the 300+lbs range and my dad and I worry that she will die young and not be around to raise my 2 y/o sister. She, my step mom, knows this and often cries at that idea but we are unsure how to help her ACT (i.e. being vigilant about losing weight). On my step mom side of the family, obesity is rampant. Her dad is obese, her older brother as well as herself. From seeing their daily activities, it is of no surprise. It is just sad to see them.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sanslines:
Perhaps we all need to give everyone factual information and then let them decide how they want to live their lives and then accept their decisions as we would want our own personal decisions to be accepted. As long as what you do does not affect others, then it should be accepted?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
People do have the factual information they need to make a decision but I think a lot of people, especially smokers, have this mentality of "it will never happen to me."

[Vin]

Croydon, I would only point out that evangelists rarely further their causes. Only the converted bother listening to them. Everyone else identifies them as opinionated busybodies and ignores them. Far more effective is having the gods-given wisdom to shut up and provide a living example rather than preaching and condemning.

Vin

[Idaho_Nudist]

I believe that fitness and nudism should go hand in hand. I do not judge people by their physical appearance due to my own size, but have been working on my body sculpture for a short while so others do not judge me when I’m naked. I often hear people comment on how fat someone is and what makes them a bad person because of their size when they really haven’t ever met that person.

In the fast food era we are finding more people overweight due to time schedules and or multitasking. Not being able to set down for a proper meal or not having time to workout. I always found a better excuse why I couldn’t go to the gym over an excuse why I could. It’s very difficult to juggle your job, family and the time you need to take care of yourself, it seems. But really it isn’t, it’s one of those things you need to find time for. In the long run it’s a win, win situation. You will be around a lot longer for your family and loved ones if you’re healthy.

Being nude, I believe helps promote being healthy, because you are constantly reminded each time you look in the mirror. “Hey I’m getting a little out of shape” “ I should do something about my weight”. So you start going to the gym or doing what is needed to get back in shape.

I think we should encourage each other by participating in healthy activities and strongly encouraging it as a nude activity. I often ask others to go on a nude hike, or nude bike ride. It doesn’t have to be with the opposite sex. I would enjoy working out nude but do not have access to a nude gym. I would like to see more sports done nude that you would do see clothed. Was not all the Athletic Games in the Roman days done in the Nude?

[shãybare]

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Cosmetic companies do not want women to ever be satisfied with their facial appearance. The companies want to sell more products. The diet industry does not want people to ever be satisfied with their weight. They want to sell more and more diet products, books, etc.

I was watching an oldie television show on tape (Red Skelton). The commercials were included and they included the NEW AND IMPROVED TIDE, the NEW AND IMPROVED PLEDGE, and the NEW AND IMPROVED Floor Wax. I started thinking about how many times these products have been NEW AND IMPROVED since that time.

The Tide was Whiter than White and Bright back then so today it should be so White and Bright you would not even be able to look at it without special sunglasses. The floors were the Shiniest so the floors of today, with all the new and improvements, should have a PERMANENT SHINE that would not ever go away.

The Diet Industry is always coming up with NEW DIETS that will SHED POUNDS overnight. The Cosmetic Industry is always coming out with NEW AND IMPROVED products so you will be a BRIGHTER AND YOUNGER you. The diets keep coming with promises to work and the cosmetics keep coming out with new and improved.

The Diet, Cosmetic, and Fashion Industries are not there to help people. They are there to make MONEY. They are there to tell people they are too fat or skinny, too ugly and smell atrocious, and are always wearing things that are out of date and they need a new wardrobe every 6 months.

A lot of what I am reading here on this thread is nothing more than parroting of the industries. It is my opinion that we must look at each other in a different light.

Freedom is being yourself without the clothes. Freedom is being yourself without the NEED for makeup. Freedom is being yourself without being judged for your appearance.

Yes, we are judged on our appearance in the TEXTILE SOCIETY. But let us here in our NUDE SOCIETY be free from all the judgements. Let us here in our NUDE SOCIETY be accepting of others for "who they are as a person" and not for their " outward appearance".

It is hard not to be affected by the textile community we live in. Hopefully, however, we can learn to ignore all the worthless NEW AND IMPROVEMENTS of Society in General and instead work on a NEW AND IMPROVED Inner Being.

THANK YOU, I WILL GET DOWN OFF THE STUMP NOW.

[barelybob]

BRAVO!

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shaybare:
...Hopefully, however, we can learn to ignore all the worthless NEW AND IMPROVEMENTS of Society in General and instead work on a NEW AND IMPROVED Inner Being.

THANK YOU, I WILL GET DOWN OFF THE STUMP NOW. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hear! Hear!

Don't you dare get off that stump. Very well-put. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Vin

[Baron Lake]

I thought you got down off of a goose.
b.l.

[Vin]

Goose down is, of course, perfect for keeping things soft and warm. Stump down, on the other hand, is better when one needs more heat and firmness. Stump down even has a bit of pr1ckliness to it, which seems exactly what the current conversation wants.

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Vin

(ETA: For pity's sake! Hope nobody wants recipes for p r i c k l y pear cobbler.)

[Hooked]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mountain Goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nudony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And most thin people are NOT fit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's just as bad as saying most overweight people will die young. Let's not get wrapped up in generalizations or assumptions....one way or another. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is not a generalisation. She says "most". And it is true to a certain degree. Most thin people are not thin, due to regular exercise or healthy eating (which is not just about fat reduction), but rather the fact that the consume as many kilojoules as they expend.

It is a fallacy of our age that thin people are necessary fit or healthy. Thinness only relates to body fat which is only one aspect of health or fitness.

Of course, an active person who eats well may also be thin. And overweight people are far less likely to be fit and health. And obese people will hardly ever / never be considered healthy or fit.

Fitness and health come from activity and nutrition, not by appearance.


Mountain Goat (not active due to a healing sprained ankle) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most thin people are not fit"--that statement is completely unquantifiable and that's that.

MOST white people are snobs
MOST Latinos beat their wives
MOST black people like fried chicken
MOST Christians are crazy
MOST Germans wear nice watches
MOST women can't drive well
MOST MOST MOST...OF COURSE NOT!!!

MOSTLY this sort of thought is rediculous. I don't mean to stir the pot on this one but I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that thin people have a greater tendancy towards being unfit than the average person. Sure, a person can be underweight, poor nutrition etc but is that really the idea most people have of "thin" people? I'd like to think that for the majority of my short time here on this planet, I've made good eating decisions at least 80% of the time yet I've always been "thin" in the eyes of most other people (although I don't know why being that I weigh in around 210 now, it's all relative I guess, I'm 6'3"). As far as people equating thinness with fitness, well didn't that idea die out in the 80's with the ideal of the "flat butt"? I mean, if someone is going to simplify things to that point, why care what they think beyond that anyway?

Obviously, thin people can be unhealthy and fat people can be healthy. Is that normally how things boil down? I don't think anyone but can say. The fact is it's not cool to say this or that about a group of people. Health and Fitness should be taken on an individual basis.

Respectfully yours,
Hooked
THIN AND HEALTHY (don't hate)

[shãybare]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Baron Lake:
I thought you got down off of a goose.
b.l. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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No wonder my pillows feel a bit lumpy and ruff.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shaybare:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Baron Lake:
I thought you got down off of a goose.
b.l. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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No wonder my pillows feel a bit lumpy and ruff. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm?? Shaybare...Maybe they got down off a high horse for your pillows...Yee Haa! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I don't mean to stir the pot on this one but I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that thin people have a greater tendancy towards being unfit than the average person. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I agree! I should have worded that differently. I didn't mean just thin people but anyone that isn't fat. Most people who are not obese are not fit. Or most people of any size are not fit. That says it better.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As far as people equating thinness with fitness, well didn't that idea die out in the 80's with the ideal of the "flat butt"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not hardly. It's still the rail thin models that you see in the magazines and on TV. It's just been in the last few months that some companies like Dove have used more average looking people in their ads, and even then it's been disputed that their sense of average isn't what is in reality average.

And even commercials for gyms and weight loss programs are using thin models even now. I must say I have seen one single ad that featured a person that actually lost weight and not thin models that most likely haven't got a clue what it's like to have to diet and exercise, and that was just in the last few weeks. It appears Dove's concept of using "average people" is finally catching on in 2005. I hope it continues.

Dancers are still expected to be anorexic too, and lots of other groups. This is one of the biggest reasons women don't participate in nudism. Your average person's lack of esteem as related to body image is a huge factor in nudism not being widely accepted.

When THIN is forced down their throats on an ongoing basis of course there will be problems with them accepting themselves and others as they really are.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Croydon:

You are correct, thin doesn't always equate to fitness or good health. Case in point, in college, I had a roommate who was about 5'9 and 115lbs. He LOOKED FIT i.e. muscle tone and strong abs BUT he ate like crap. Everything he ate was fried and processed yet never gained a lb (stupid B*tch). I think he is quite unhealthy and will not be surprise if years from now he dies of heart attack.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you can admit that some people can eat unhealthy and not be fat but for some reason you can't see that some people eat a lot healthier than your average weight person and can be fat.

I don't understand that.

If I ate like an average person ate I'd be 100 pounds heavier than I am now. My body just treats food too economically I guess. To be of "average weight" (I don't think there is a "healthy weight" since average weight can occur in unhealthy people) I'd have to eat such a restrictive diet that it would be impossible to stay on longterm. As it is I eat quite differently than most people do.