NAKED rambler Stephen Gough arrested Friday...

[Bushnud2]

NAKED rambler Stephen Gough arrested Friday...

Link; DailyRecord.co.uk "Nicked Naked" Naked Rambler Stepen Gough Arrested Again (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_method=full%26objectid=18043331%26siteid=66633-name_page.html)

[previous link edited/corrected by Mod "NG"]

4 November 2006
NICKED NAKED

NAKED rambler Stephen Gough was arrested yesterday as he left jail -
with no clothes on.

Gough, 47, was met by police as he left Edinburgh's Saughton Prison
after serving two months of a seven-month term for breach of the peace.

Police said Gough, of Eastleigh, Hampshire, was offered clothes but
declined and was last night back in custody.

A spokeswoman said he had been charged with breach of the peace.
.

[Bushnud2]

NAKED rambler Stephen Gough arrested Friday...

Link; DailyRecord.co.uk "Nicked Naked" Naked Rambler Stepen Gough Arrested Again (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_method=full%26objectid=18043331%26siteid=66633-name_page.html)

[previous link edited/corrected by Mod "NG"]

4 November 2006
NICKED NAKED

NAKED rambler Stephen Gough was arrested yesterday as he left jail -
with no clothes on.

Gough, 47, was met by police as he left Edinburgh's Saughton Prison
after serving two months of a seven-month term for breach of the peace.

Police said Gough, of Eastleigh, Hampshire, was offered clothes but
declined and was last night back in custody.

A spokeswoman said he had been charged with breach of the peace.
.

[NakedGary]

Bushnud

Thanks, The link seems to be bad, I'll see if I can correct it for you.

Intresting, maybe he likes the food behind bars.

[Bushnud2]

Sorry Gary, I should have tinied it.

Dont know about the food, cheap rent ?

Bushie

[Pete Knight]

Perhaps he likes haggis?

Pete Knight

[Naturist Mark]

I like to see a list of the victims of Mr. Gough's "breaches of the peace", and a discription of the harm he has caused them.

Just so the court can determine a punishment commensurate to the harm caused by his behavior.

Just interested in Mr. Gough receiving all that he deserves in compensation for the victims of his many crimes.

-Mark

[NakedGary]

Pete Knight

haggis ? What does that look, taste, and smell like .... Ever seen or eaten that concoction?

Merriam-Webster’s definition:

One entry found for haggis.


Main Entry: hag•gis
Pronunciation: 'ha-g&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English hagese
: a traditionally Scottish dish that consists of the heart, liver, and lungs of a sheep or a calf minced with suet, onions, oatmeal, and seasonings and boiled in the stomach of the animal.

Ewwww nevermind I don't think I want to know!

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[Stu2630]

I don't know what Steve Gough thinks he is actually achieving now, apart from keeping Scottish prison officers employed. He gets sent to prison, he gets released, he strips off outside the prison and gets put back in, and so on. His antics don't make the British press any more, apart from a paragraph in one Scottish paper. Sooner or later he'll end up getting a psychiatric assessment that will suggest some kind of obsessive dirorder and any credibility he may have had will evaporate.

I think the time has come for sensible nudists to distance themselves from Mr Gough.

Stu

[Baron Lake]

Apparently Mark, Stu is one victim of Gough's behavior. The poor fellow has been stripped (sorry) of his ability to think rationally.

As compensation, perhaps Gough should be required to supply Stu with some of those bathing suits from that Turkish fellow. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif
b.l.

[nimrod]

As much as I would like to applaude Steve for his effort to make nudism/naturism more accepted, I cannot. I have said this before, my opinion is that Steve has gone from activist to obsessive, and that does us no good. I would have more respect for him if he accepted the offer of clothes and stayed dressed long enough to not be immediatly thrown back into jail. If he would take them off again when he is out of eye shot of the police officers, I may be able to support him more, I will support the cause, but not the man.

I do not know what the process is there, and wish to learn a little, so I ask these questions. Is he seeing a judge each time he is arrested and is then sentenced, or his he just thrown into jail for a certain amount of time? Does he have access to a lawer that can help him with his case if he does appear before a judge? I know that from other posts and threads concerning Steve Gough that nudity in Scotland is not protected by the law, so my question is; how does Steves continuous arrests help change the laws?

I have read another topic on this forum about wanting the wife/girlfriend to accept nudism, and the answer is always the same, be patient and not to force it. Steve needs to follow this advice. Activism has to be more than going to jail for your cause, even though it may help to bring some attention to your cause, you have to do more than just that. MLK jr. did not just go to jail during the equal rights movement, he fought to have the laws changed through others means.

[Stu2630]

Nimrod

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I do not know what the process is there, and wish to learn a little, so I ask these questions. Is he seeing a judge each time he is arrested and is then sentenced, or his he just thrown into jail for a certain amount of time? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he is charged either with causing a breach of the peace or contempt of court and sentenced by a judge.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Does he have access to a lawer that can help him with his case if he does appear before a judge? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He is entitled to free and independent legal advice. He will also get free legal representation in court.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I know that from other posts and threads concerning Steve Gough that nudity in Scotland is not protected by the law, so my question is; how does Steves continuous arrests help change the laws? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nudity is not protected by law in any part of Great Britain. Steve's continuous arrests are simply making him an irritant. He is challenging the authority of the courts to tell him where he can't be naked. They simply can't afford to let him win because to do so would be to undermine their authority.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have read another topic on this forum about wanting the wife/girlfriend to accept nudism, and the answer is always the same, be patient and not to force it. Steve needs to follow this advice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Steve's wife left him a long time ago because of his antics. The last I heard was that, because of his behaviour, the courts had denied him any access to his two children. Since then he has taken up with several women, but lately insists that faithfulness to one woman is not what he wants - he prefers to be free to sleep with any woman he likes when he likes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Activism has to be more than going to jail for your cause, even though it may help to bring some attention to your cause, you have to do more than just that. MLK jr. did not just go to jail during the equal rights movement, he fought to have the laws changed through others means </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But what IS his cause? He insists he is not a nudist - indeed he has often seemed quite contemptuous of nudism. He wants to compel people to accept nakedness anywhere in public by "showing them" that it's no big deal. The trouble is, when people DO get upset or angry with his behaviour, and show him that for them it IS big deal, rather than listening to their concerns, he just argues with them and tries to rationalise his nakedness and their adverse reaction to it. This is his mistake. He has failed to recognise that an aversion to nakedness is not a response conditioned by rational deduction, it's a purely emotional one based upon upbringing and personal values. You can no more "reason" those out of people any more than you can "reason" them not to worry about obscene language or a man masturbating in the local park. Like all fanatics, he thinks he has a monopoly on what is right and anyone who can't see that is seriously misguided and they must be made to see it. He thinks it is his solemn duty is to drag us all kicking and screaming into his personal nirvana - his world view.

I am genuinely sorry for him that he is wasting his life in a Scottish prison because I don't think he is a bad person at heart, but rather he is a victim of a compulsion. The sooner he is cured of this, the better for us all - nudists, prudes and, most of all, Stephen Gough.

Stu

[Pete Knight]

I think I need to clear up a number of points here:
1. Steve Gough is not a naturist/nudist (At least thats what he insists.), he claims to be a freedom fighter, fighting for the "Freedom to be Yourself" and Steve is happy naked.
I've walked with Steve, I've spent some enjoyable moments with Steve and Melanie, and take it from me, Steve is a very charismatic personality, he's like the 'Pied Piper of Hamlyn' he attracts followers, but his insistance on maintaining his stance has lost him much of the support he enjoyed in the early days.
2. Yes I have eaten Haggis, its not as bad as is sounds, in fact the English delicasy of 'Black Pudding' is even more disgusting, yet more enjoyable, and I love it!!Haggis is shaped like a ball, never perfectly round and about 6 inches in diameter, it tastes OK(ish).
3. The British legal system is different to the good old U.S of A, we have a lower court system for dealing with minor offences that doesn't invlve a judge, its all volunteer 'Magistrates' or in Scotland a 'Sheriff' where you can elect for trial by jury, that is then before a judge.

I wish you could meet Steve, he really is a nice guy and you couldn't fail to like him, but his current stance, whilst appearing silly, is one of grim determination to not let the system beat him.

A motto
!Illigitimus non carborundum"
or
"Don't let the bastards grind you down"

Pete Knight

[Nu]

If I had the chance to talk to Steve, I would recommend he look at alternative approaches.

Be more creative.
Seek out others of like mind and do something as a group.


By the way, count me in as a haggis lover!

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Nu - I agree with you - I dont think Stephen Gough is promoting nudism. On the contrary he is probably turning more people off it.

[John P]

Since Steve Gough has always disclaimed being a naturist, there's no reason naturists need to detach themselves from him. Even if we take an interest in what he's been doing, very few naturists would want to follow his lead, and go naked anywhere at any time. (At noon in the High Street, for instance--or "on Main Street" in the American style.) On the other hand, if the law says nudity is legal, or doesn't say it's illegal, what are the limits? It's been allowed to become something of a mess.

[nimrod]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stu2630:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have read another topic on this forum about wanting the wife/girlfriend to accept nudism, and the answer is always the same, be patient and not to force it. Steve needs to follow this advice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Steve's wife left him a long time ago because of his antics. The last I heard was that, because of his behaviour, the courts had denied him any access to his two children. Since then he has taken up with several women, but lately insists that faithfulness to one woman is not what he wants - he prefers to be free to sleep with any woman he likes when he likes.
Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thank you for your responce, I have learned something.
What I was trying to say was that Steve should practice patients and not force his nudity on anyone.

[nimrod]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pete Knight:
1. Steve Gough is not a naturist/nudist (At least thats what he insists.), he claims to be a freedom fighter, fighting for the "Freedom to be Yourself" and Steve is happy naked. Pete Knight </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I understand your point. What he is fighting for just happens to mirror some naturist/nudist beliefs.

I do admire his tenacity, but his tactics need to change in order to be effective.

[Bushnud2]

The Scotsman

Tue 7 Nov 2006
http://news.scotsman.com/
Comments (38)

Naked Rambler jailed for contempt of court
THE Naked Rambler is back in jail after refusing to put on clothes to appear at Edinburgh Sheriff Court...

Story with reader comments continues at:
http://tinyurl.com/yalmfb

[Bob S.]

Stu, I was wondering where you went to. But I knew you would come back to discuss Mr. Gough.

Stu:"Sooner or later he'll end up getting a psychiatric assessment that will suggest some kind of obsessive dirorder and any credibility he may have had will evaporate."

Hey, the police are also obsessed with picking him up as well. They know what will happen when they let him go but do so anyway.

But yes, he does need to accept that he needs to wear clothes, at least to get home. He has allowed this cause to ruin his life. I don't think he will be found to have a psychiatric illness, but he is way too obsessed with this nude activism.

Pete, the description of Haggis (I won't even look up black pudding) makes me glad to be a vegetarian and not a Brit. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/tongue.gif

Bob S.

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hey, the police are also obsessed with picking him up as well. They know what will happen when they let him go but do so anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They have no choice but to let him go when he has completed his sentence, Bob. The police simply want him, and others like him, to get the message that walking around naked is not acceptable, Bob. If they were to turn a blind eye to him, they would be endorsing this sort of behaviour.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But yes, he does need to accept that he needs to wear clothes, at least to get home. He has allowed this cause to ruin his life. I don't think he will be found to have a psychiatric illness, but he is way too obsessed with this nude activism.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he is rapidly being regarded in Scotland at a complete nutcase. Many people who initially cheered him on are now beginning to see him as at best a bore and at worst a pain in the butt. Nudists are usually responsible and considerate people who don't want to confront others with their nakedness regardless of their feelings. Stephen Gough is the precise opposite of this. He is determined to force people to confront their own attitudes to the naked body: he has appointed himself as the person who will cure us of something we don't want to be cured of.

Stu

[Bob S.]

Stu:"They have no choice but to let him go when he has completed his sentence"

It was meant as a smiley-less jocular comment. Come on, laugh. I want to hear you laugh!

Stu:"He is determined to force people to confront their own attitudes to the naked body: he has appointed himself as the person who will cure us of something we don't want to be cured of."

And he was off to a good start initially. A lot of people were on his side at the beginning, including naturists even if unofficially. His problem now is that his constant revolving cell door has turned everyone off because his message is no longer relevant. He is no longer forcing others to confront their own attitudes of the naked body, but rather looking like, in your words, "a nutcase".

I wonder if he knows everyone there on a first name basis? "So Jerry, how are the kids?" "Is your mother doing better, Daniel?" "Sure Anna, I'd love to come to your cousin's wedding. They won't mind if I don't have anything to wear, will they?"

Bob S.

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It was meant as a smiley-less jocular comment. Come on, laugh. I want to hear you laugh! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ho Ho Ho! (not quite my usual guffaw, but it will soon be Christmas!)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">A lot of people were on his side at the beginning, including naturists even if unofficially. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely true - but he didn't succeed in changing people's attitude to nakedness. We Brits have long tolerated eccentrics and screwballs - and even sympathised with them upto a point. He could have turned his walk into something really positive for naturists. I fear he has wasted an opportunity by making people believe he is a fanatic in a climate that fears fanaticism.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I wonder if he knows everyone there on a first name basis? "So Jerry, how are the kids?" "Is your mother doing better, Daniel?" "Sure Anna, I'd love to come to your cousin's wedding. They won't mind if I don't have anything to wear, will they?" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately, Mr Gough will be detained in the segregation wing of the prison, alongside rapists, paedophiles and child murderers - not the kind of guys you invite round for tea and cucumber sandwiches (or even haggis). The prison officers will simply call him "Gough" and he will call them "sir". I don't envy him.

Stu

[Bob S.]

Stu:"Ho Ho Ho! (not quite my usual guffaw, but it will soon be Christmas!)"

I am Jewish and you are Buddhist. As a four-year-old boy I knew once told his classmates, "Santa Claus is just a dumb old fat man." I could not contain my laughter upon hearing that proclamation.

Stu:"but he didn't succeed in changing people's attitude to nakedness."

He was going after hundreds of generations of history. It was going to take a bit more than a yearly walk to do that counter all of that past.

Stu:"He could have turned his walk into something really positive for naturists. I fear he has wasted an opportunity"

Yes. The walk could have become an annual parade, a fundraiser, many things. But Stephen Gough wanted to act alone and not use his walks for any greater good other than for philosophical purposes. His short-sightedness hurt him in the long run.

Stu:"Mr Gough will be detained in the segregation wing of the prison, alongside rapists, paedophiles and child murderers"

Any reason he is placed in with the sex crime and violent crime convicts?

Bob S.

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Yes. The walk could have become an annual parade, a fundraiser, many things. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fundraiser - certainly. Annual parade? No, Bob, not through the streets of one of our towns or cities.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But Stephen Gough wanted to act alone and not use his walks for any greater good other than for philosophical purposes. His short-sightedness hurt him in the long run. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

His problem is that he won't simply accept being just another nudist and enjoy nudist recreation with likeminded people. He's trying to impose his will on the rest of us like some sort of zealot. People have woken up to this and he's now losing support.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Any reason he is placed in with the sex crime and violent crime convicts? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Partly for his own safety, and partly as a punishment for refusing to comply with prison regulations (i.e. refusing to wear clothes. Walking about naked will not endear him to other inmates and he would be in danger of violent attacks. The prison has a uniform that all are required to wear. Wilful failure to comply with the rules is a breach of discipline and has to be seen to be punished.

Stu

[nudebushwalker]

= dopey blighter ...

[Bob S.]

Stu:"Annual parade? No, Bob, not through the streets of one of our towns or cities."

Oh no, lest you have to dare to find an alternate route for a few hours http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif I didn't actually mean a parade as in walking down main street in full regalia (decorations, not dress). If I remember, the routes that he usually took were off the streets and more in hiking areas. Getting a group of people together for certain parts of the trek, perhaps with police permission.

Laws over there do not deal with nudity, but rather with breach of the peace or something similar. I think the police should occasionally give permission for these types of gatherings and make sure the place is partitioned off or publicized enough.

Stu:"His problem is that he won't simply accept being just another nudist and enjoy nudist recreation with likeminded people."

So since a Jewsih man believes in G*d, would you say that he should just go to any Christian Church? After all, Christians believe in G*d, too.

Steve Gough will not accept being just another nudist because he is not a nudist. Not all naked people are nudists. Not all people who want the dress code of society to disappear are nudists. Not all clothesfree activists are nudists. Why should he act like a nudist when he does not believe in the nudist ideals?

Stu:"Partly for his own safety, and partly as a punishment for refusing to comply with prison regulations"

Wait, I just saw an important word in your previous message. Is he in a cell of his own, in solitary? With a solid door?

Bob S.

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Getting a group of people together for certain parts of the trek, perhaps with police permission </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If it's in an out-of-the-way place, out of sight of habitation and major highways, I'd have no objections to such an event.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So since a Jewsih man believes in G*d, would you say that he should just go to any Christian Church? After all, Christians believe in G*d, too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't see the analogy, Bob. A Jewish man can go to a synagogue. If there isn't one where he lives, he'll either have to travel to where there is one, or re-locate. I'm a Buddhist in Yorkshire, and my nearest vihara is at least 4-hours' drive away.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Steve Gough will not accept being just another nudist because he is not a nudist. Not all naked people are nudists. Not all people who want the dress code of society to disappear are nudists. Not all clothesfree activists are nudists. Why should he act like a nudist when he does not believe in the nudist ideals? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

His problem is that he won't compromise. We all have to make compromises in life in order to live in a society and get on with everyone else. I don't like paying taxes, so should I be able to opt out? If I disagree with a speed limit on a particular road, should I be able to disregard it with impunity? Mr Gough may not consider himself to be a nudist, but he clearly enjoys being naked with other people, and nudism facilitates that. If that doesn't quite fit in with what he wants, then he and his handful of followers should go to some remote island and set up their own society where they can make whatever rules they like.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Wait, I just saw an important word in your previous message. Is he in a cell of his own, in solitary? With a solid door? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is my understanding that he is in a segregation wing of the prison, not solitary confinement. So he does associate with other inmates and has access to education, recreation and so on. All UK prison and police station cells have solid doors. There are no cells in this country that have just open bars.

Stu

[Bob S.]

Stu:"I don't see the analogy"

Not only didn't you see it, but you were looking in the wrong direction on the wrong part of the planet!

You stated: His problem is that he won't simply accept being just another nudist and enjoy nudist recreation with likeminded people. I am trying to say that he is not a nudist. He does not want to be a nudist and does not follow nudist ideals. Of course he won't accept being just another nudist, he isn't one, so why do you suggest he become one? We aren't people who share his ideals. We aren't the "likeminded people" you are referring to. I'm not sure he has too many likeminded people.

Mr. Gough is his own person. Don't try to suggest he is a nudist. He abhors the idea and nudists do not want him in their camp. He is a zealous clothesfree activist. As you said, he doesn't want concessions, he wants to change the law.

Stu:"There are no cells in this country that have just open bars."

Well of course there are no open bars, Last I checked, jails in the UK did not sell alcohol! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

Bob S.

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Mr. Gough is his own person. Don't try to suggest he is a nudist. He abhors the idea and nudists do not want him in their camp. He is a zealous clothesfree activist. As you said, he doesn't want concessions, he wants to change the law. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can agree on that. There are a lot of laws I would like to change, but if I tried to force that change by breaking them, I'd eventually find myself in prison. Which is where Mr Gough is.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Stu:"There are no cells in this country that have just open bars." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well of course there are no open bars, Last I checked, jails in the UK did not sell alcohol! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're dead right there, Bob. I regret to say that our prisons are awash with much nastier substances than alcohol, and if you dare to deprive the poor dears of their heroin, they sue the government for breaching their human rights. Check this out from today's BBC news!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6142416.stm

Stu