Enature; is it truely about naturism. [Archive]

nudeM

06-30-2006, 08:26 PM

I believe Enature is an organization that originates in Chekoslovakia (sp). I have seen their web site and they do promote 'family oriented' naturism. From what I have seen, the events are well attended and looks like everyone is having a blast.

Kind of reminds me of how the YMCA used to be, from the stories I have read here and other nudist sites. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif

Sauna

07-01-2006, 12:34 AM

In the beginning all the pictures were free under name Holy Nature and they were Russian from St Petersburg. Then the Enature came in the picture bringing money and bought all rights to sell the material to USA. I have always taught that the business skills is American origin.

Nudony

07-01-2006, 08:24 AM

Eastern European nudism is quite different from anything we'll ever see here in the US. Firstly, the child-nudist population is far greater in these countries than most anywhere else (it would be interesting to find out why that is); and that creates a more convivial and and intimate atmosphere, which is again something we rarely see in the US.
Second, they often organise mass-gatherings, which are pretty much held anywhere and everywhere, and are broken out into activities for kids and adults. I don't know how they get that many people together in one time and place, but it might be a strategy AANR should look into.

In a lot of ways, Eastern European nudism is more advanced than we'll ever be. But the issue is this: it is depicted to us skewedly. Yes, groups of pre-teen girls or boys is also nudism; but there is a problem if not only that is the only thing depicted, but it is depicted in a manner that seems exploitative (I watched one sample and there certainly were unnecessary close-ups and camera angles).

I think the original idea was to promote Eastern European nudism; but the idea was lost by unscrupulous businessmen.

Sauna

07-01-2006, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Nudony:

I think the original idea was to promote Eastern European nudism; but the idea was lost by unscrupulous businessmen.

I think you are quite right. They welcome foreign visitors, but then is better to understand their language to be able to communicate.

nudenwv

07-01-2006, 06:24 PM

i believe this site does promote naturism at its finest! in the years i have been a forum member not once have i gotten e-mails from moderators sugesting i pay. they totally leave it up to the individual.

leafu

07-12-2006, 05:44 PM

they look like there having a good time family freinds kids etc..

Journeyman

07-12-2006, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Nudony:
...But the issue is this: it is depicted to us skewedly. Yes, groups of pre-teen girls or boys is also nudism; but there is a problem if not only that is the only thing depicted, but it is depicted in a manner that seems exploitative (I watched one sample and there certainly were unnecessary close-ups and camera angles)...

Well, exactly. No one wants to say so, but c'mon, what kind of regular DVD costs USD$60 these days unless it's a porn film or a Hollywood blockbuster?

The eastern European countries were sheltered for many years from the west by the USSR. But now that they're free, they're probably told that we have had these mass naturist gatherings as well in the west, and that they're all filmed/videotaped.

I'd love to see if all if these children being filmed have had their parents sign model release consent forms...but then again, these newly opened countries may not have the same protectionist laws like we have in the west to protect kids from "businesspeople" out there exploiting them.

No, these DVDs are not exactly child porn -- but they're definitely the soft-core type of child porn. Yuk. These video companies should be run out of business for exploiting innocent naturism for the viewing of wannabe pedophiles.

Just my 2 cents' worth, but I hate exploitation of any kind.

leafu

07-12-2006, 08:24 PM

I don't know if this is true that the person/people running these films are Americans, since I might of read somewhere.

Also the same thing with holynature,site where I have to admit they show good looking cute young girls, it should be filled young&old fat&thin etc...

parrott7582

07-12-2006, 09:28 PM

while it is a money maker...this is real nudism,,,europeans are much more relaxed about this than americans,,,and i'm a full blooded american,,,i don't see anything wrong with this

P.J.

07-12-2006, 10:05 PM

In the past, I've been labeled with various names by those who don't share my views.

To show that I can be a sport about name-calling, I will give a label that you can pin me with: Cynic.

There is no doubt that the enature is all about making money. Just check out the prices of their VHS tapes and DVD's. I wonder how many (or for that matter any) of those who were featured in the films even know that they were filmed in the first place?

Many of the films and photos from behind the former Iron Curtain counries are so unregulated. In addition to the porn (which doesn't exclude innocent children), there is also a market for nudist films, which are not being put on the market to promote the clothes-free lifestyle.

I'm convinced that this is where enature emerges from the cesspool and tries to reach into our pockets.

DoctorSurferDude

07-12-2006, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Nudony:
Eastern European nudism is quite different from anything we'll ever see here in the US.

Eastern European nudism is....for sale. Somebody somewhere along the line SOLD OUT. And the saddest part is that the people buying those DVD's are likely not nudists, but rather pedophiles.

eNature.net is an American company selling these DVD's for $60 a pop.

It is nothing against the images of young kids enjoying nudist freedom, but somewhere along the line the intentions have been corrupted. The resort I attend is hosting AANR-west youth camp this week, so it's kind of like that, a lot of kids running around naked making memories. But if somebody tried to videotape that innocence there would be hell to pay and I would deliver my own version of hell on somebody who tried to video tape that and sell it for $60 a tape on some effed up website.

The idea of it all makes me sick....it's pure betrayal of innocence, for nothing more than making a profit off a throng of drooling lust monsters.

Nudists have NO reason to buy tapes like that. I don't need to watch something I'm an active participant in....I'm not buying a video of some other guy driving his honda civic to work....why would I pay to see other nudists being nudists...that's stupid.

Sauna

07-12-2006, 11:37 PM

Enature is making money from customers like voyers and among then pedophiles.

The Eastern-Europeans have in average very low salaries from 500 to 200 USD per month and for small money they let to film everything. The other thing is that everything is for sale.

Enature is not nudisn it is hard business. Some of the original videos can be naturism.

Florida Cracker

07-13-2006, 04:03 AM

Hey DoctorSurferDude, why don't you stop beating around the bush and let us know how you really feel!
LOL, Florida Cracker

PS. Hope the youth camp is a smashing success!

BlobbyBob

07-13-2006, 09:32 AM

I could never understand anyone with anything but bad intentions watching videos like those. Why watch what could only be described as the family video of someone that you don't know, and especially since they seem to focus on children a lot.

I downloaded a nudist video recently but it was more of interviews and information on a resort, making it actually interesting and useful, but ones like these are, I think, very much innapropriate.

Wiggle It

07-13-2006, 03:38 PM

I had some of those same impressions when I looked around at some naturist sites, and saw some of the eastern European sites. The focus of most pictures being young kids, with very few teens & twenties even, and even less older adults. Not quite "family naturism", even tho often titled as such.
This site seems to be the best one around, and has a good cross-section of people of many age groups. More like what you expect to see, or want to see, in real-life nudism.

DKirkpatrick

07-14-2006, 05:18 PM

Well.... If you check around the net, there seems to be someone by the name of Gary (Gary Miller of eNature?) that posts a lot of still images from these videos to "nudist" news groups. And a cross check can sometimes find these same titles cross posted to newsgroups with more prurient interests.

The e-mail address used is "bodynmind@hotmail.com" Body-N-Mind is the old name of eNature and there is still some cross DNS between those two domain names out there.

The posts are so many that the address and postings have attained legendary status in newsgroup spamming reports.

So, yes, the question becomes whether these videos are supportinve of naturism or not, but a bigger question is whether this form of advertising is supportive of naturism or not.

Do such postings suggest a hidden agenda by the person posting those still images from these videos? What about the target audience?

For me it raises a lot of red flags.

DMK

Sauna

07-14-2006, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by D. Kirkpatrick:
Well.... If you check around the net, there seems to be someone by the name of Gary (Gary Miller of eNature?) that posts a lot of still images from these videos to "nudist" news groups. And a cross check can sometimes find these same titles cross posted to newsgroups with more prurient interests.

The e-mail address used is "bodynmind@hotmail.com" Body-N-Mind is the old name of eNature and there is still some cross DNS between those two domain names out there.

The posts are so many that the address and postings have attained legendary status in newsgroup spamming reports.

So, yes, the question becomes whether these videos are supportinve of naturism or not, but a bigger question is whether this form of advertising is supportive of naturism or not.

Do such postings suggest a hidden agenda by the person posting those still images from these videos? What about the target audience?

For me it raises a lot of red flags.

DMK

You are quite right

In the beginning the Russian pages of Holy Nature were totally free, but then they got business help from states and the result is 60 USD/video

Reece852

07-22-2006, 07:40 PM

It wouldn't be quite so terrible if they were free recordings of naturism, to promote naturism... but the fact that they're charging such a huge amount of money can only mean that they're in it for profit, and that the only people that are going to be willing to pay that much ARE perverts or pediophiles...

It's like porn... except without the porn part and it's minors >_< It's not really right..

Jason Lee

07-22-2006, 09:17 PM

I believe enature dvds/videos promote naturism/nudism only for genuine naturists/nudists.

Bob S.

07-23-2006, 02:20 PM

Enature is about selling nudist videos and books. How much are they into nudism as a whole? My guess would be very little. They do not link to any nudist sites or explain their own nudist philosophy.

They do have a Nudist News part of their website that links to online articles about nudism.

I would have to agree with others that, while the set-up is fine, there is an unusual focus on the children in too many videos. Of concern are the birthday party videos such as the one in Nudony's posted picture. That is a video of a ten-year-old girl's birthday party--being sold on the internet. Another one has a young girl performing a rhythmic gymnastics routine outside. Who else would be interetsed in such a video? Not your run-of-the-mill nudist.

About the only thing worthwhile from that site for sale are the books. But only if you are colecting nudist books.

Bob S.

Naturist4Ever

07-23-2006, 03:21 PM

Another such - but more innocent?? - site is www.naturistfreedom.com (http://www.naturistfreedom.com). Not sure who's behind the site, seems eastern-europe as well but it is definitevely not as professional as enature, neither sure what the price is of their dvd's. But it looks a bit more mixed, see image below (all ages and genders although still a high focus on teen/young girls; you can see images from all movies by selecting the example image and then editing the image counter in the url. The one below for example is http://www.naturistfreedom.com/pict/dvd25/det/4.jpg)

Tampanude

07-23-2006, 03:37 PM

I firmly believe there is an essential merit to nudist sites, like Clothesfree. I do wonder sometimes about the need to purchase nudist videos that primarily focus on family nudism. Me thinks the larger share of customers who purchase these vids do so not to share the nudst experience but to see prepubesent (sp) images.
I may be wrong, often am. but if it walks like a duck,, etc.

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Fresh Air

07-23-2006, 04:43 PM

When a girl does a striptease for you...she likes you.
When you have to pay her to do that...She's a *****.

When you obtain nudist pictures passively...it's ok.
When you pay money for naked pictures....it's porn.

Do we really need to pay money to live a vicarious life that we claim to be a part of? Do we NEED to associate via internet with people who would pay for this stuff to satisfy themselves sexually? That is what funds this site...not nudism. I'm not comfortable with that.

Naturist4Ever

07-23-2006, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Fresh Air:
When you obtain nudist pictures passively...it's ok.
When you pay money for naked pictures....it's porn.

?????? What about all those free-porn sites then, by your standards that is just ok. And, by the same standards the paid-membership-only picture galleries of naked people hosted by CFI are just porn.

BTW, the girl is just a stripper, it's a profession you know! And porn is at the minimum the display of a sexual act, not the state of being nude).

That is what funds this site...not nudism

What doe you mean by 'this site'? CFI??? Be more precise (and accurate for that matter). Good luck.

Jennifer1

07-23-2006, 05:42 PM

For money and to supply a form of child nudity to pedos, legally.

Thats just a legal way to get naked movies of kids, i don't understand why anyone needs to sell movies, of pagents or birthdays or whatever.

If you buy things from there i personally think your a big dirty pedo who wants to get off looking at little boys and girls naked.

I wonder just how many of the familes involved knew that there children where gonna be the object of some dirty pedo westerners masterbating fantasys and just how many of them gave there concent to having there kids videoed

EDIT: What purpse does it serve? the site, the videos the pictures. What are they there for?

Naturist Mark

07-23-2006, 06:15 PM

When you obtain nudist pictures passively...it's ok.
When you pay money for naked pictures....it's porn.

So are the photos in the Clothesfree members section porn?

Is "N" magazine porn?

Is "The Bulletin" porn?

Just charging money isn't enough for a concise definition. Intention means something too.

I have not paid for eNature access, and I don't intend to, but I suspect they show a lot of the same photos as Clothesfree.com. Can the same photos be porn in one case and not the other?

Probably not. I think "porn" probably requires a prurient element in the photo itself that is lacking in genuine nudist photos. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a prurient intent evident in the eNature offerings. Heck, there can be a prurient intent in the resale of underwear ads from the Sears catalog if you target it to fetishists.

l2ltlarry

07-27-2006, 06:50 PM

Fresh Air

07-28-2006, 02:40 PM

quote:

That is what funds this site...not nudism

What doe you mean by 'this site'? CFI??? Be more precise (and accurate for that matter). Good luck.

I was refering too www.enature.com (http://www.enature.com). That's what this post is about, right? Not CFI. I never mentioned CFI, and I doubt people join for the pictures...at least I hope that's not the reason to join.

I am just pointing out that sites that are based on pictures alone are not making the bulk of their income from nudists. Rather, they are ignorant if they don't think of themselves as unintentional "porn" sites (visual products that are sold for sexual gratification).

Fresh Air

07-28-2006, 02:42 PM

BTW, the girl is just a stripper, it's a profession you know! And porn is at the minimum the display of a sexual act, not the state of being nude).

Profession? How is it exactly a professional occupation?

I can see it as a job. Then again, I can see prostitution as a job too. They're on the same spectrum to me.

Fresh Air

07-28-2006, 02:53 PM

quote:
When you obtain nudist pictures passively...it's ok.
When you pay money for naked pictures....it's porn.

So are the photos in the Clothesfree members section porn?

Is "N" magazine porn?

Is "The Bulletin" porn?

Just charging money isn't enough for a concise definition. Intention means something too.

I have not paid for eNature access, and I don't intend to, but I suspect they show a lot of the same photos as Clothesfree.com. Can the same photos be porn in one case and not the other?

Probably not. I think "porn" probably requires a prurient element in the photo itself that is lacking in genuine nudist photos. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a prurient intent evident in the eNature offerings. Heck, there can be a prurient intent in the resale of underwear ads from the Sears catalog if you target it to fetishists.

Pictures are not why people pay to be members (I hope). Pictures are not why people pay to "read" The Bulletin or N. ...that's what I meant by obtaining nudist pictures passively. They are not the single purpose. The purpose is information, community, association, etc.

I suppose I fail to understand the inteitions of anyone to own someone elses home videos of their children naked. If there is a good reason let me know. I just feel majority rules and whatever pure intention (that I can't think of) that might exist is in the minority.

I'm sure there are alturistic pimps and alturistic porn stars, but I'm talking in regards to a majority, not an exception.

You gave a good example...so I'll rephrase my question with your example.

Why would I need to pay for Sears catalog underware adds? If I have to pay for something like that, it's probobly "porn".

...and I'm using porn losely to mean something driven via sexual gratification that would otherwise not have a market large enough to sustain it financially. In otherwords, products of visual sexual gratification.

NakedGary

07-28-2006, 02:58 PM

Fresh Air

Webester's New World Dictionary says "Profession" is a Vocation or occupation requiring advanced education and training, and invololving intellectual skills...Loosely, Any Occupation.....the oldest profession prostitution: a jocular usage.

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Fresh Air

07-28-2006, 03:02 PM

The word "fornication" is a translation of the word "pornei" or "porn". Most all of us know what fornication (even though it's a very dated word) is. And it's not the "porn" that gets discussed incessantly in the newspapers, in churches, and places like clothesfree.com. I don't think seeing people without clothes on whether free or paid qualifies as "porn".

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Yes, society does have a lot to answer for.

One should not have to wear clothes to be considered a good person.

There is one splendor of the heavenly bodies, there is another splendor of the earthly bodies.

Yes, I don't think seeing nudity is porn either. But I think if a product sold serves in the majority as a 'typical' porn product then by association it is porn.

I'm not calling it porn at it's origin. I'm calling it porn because I feel it is in the eyes of the majority of beholders that most likely finance such sites.

I would feel guilty if I owned that kind of site, because I personally couldn't ignore why the money would keep rolling in and where my products ended up. Sell the products at nudist resorts or on a nudist website (like this or AANR).

I just feel we shouldn't toss the net out just for money. That only cheapens nudism. I don't support websites that blindly exploit nudism for money.

Fresh Air

07-28-2006, 03:05 PM

Webester's New World Dictionary says "Profession" is a Vocation or occupation requiring advanced education and training, and invololving intellectual skills...Loosely, Any Occupation.....the oldest profession prostitution: a jocular usage.

Point taken...

I still disagree with the education, training, and intellectual components of sex and sexuality.

nimrod

07-28-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Fresh Air:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Webester's New World Dictionary says "Profession" is a Vocation or occupation requiring advanced education and training, and invololving intellectual skills...Loosely, Any Occupation.....the oldest profession prostitution: a jocular usage.

Point taken...

I still disagree with the education, training, and intellectual components of sex and sexuality. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dr. Ruth would disagree with that.

l2ltlarry

08-07-2006, 05:35 AM

I just bought the book, 'Art Through the Ages'. In it, one can see that a considerable amount of art (pictures and statues) through the ages is nude art. The reason, I think, is many artists have wanted to celebrate the beautifulness and wonderfulness of the human body. Without nudity in pictures and statues, the human form is more difficult to celebrate and admire.

Jennifer Aniston, in the Saturday, August 5th 'Extra Weekend' on TV, was being interviewed, along with several other movie stars, about nudity in movies. Jennifer said, "Human bodies are beautiful. Nudity is beautiful." I agree.