Christian Naturist Site Suspended

[Cookie Monster]

Hey, anyone know whats up with the Christian Naturist Site (listed as new on INA webpage)? I just tried to get online with them and it said that they were suspended.
I am asking for honest replies, if you want to make a joke of this please go elsewhere.
Thanks.

[Cookie Monster]

Hey, anyone know whats up with the Christian Naturist Site (listed as new on INA webpage)? I just tried to get online with them and it said that they were suspended.
I am asking for honest replies, if you want to make a joke of this please go elsewhere.
Thanks.

[Trailscout]

I am a member of Naturist Christians and our forum (hosted separately by another company) is still up. Here's your answer:

From: "The Naturist Group" <TheNaturistGroup@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 1, 2003 6:34 pm
Subject: Value Hosting has knocked us down --


The hosting company has knocked www.naturist-christians.org (http://www.naturist-christians.org) down for a second time and has indicated that they have decided they will not allow us to go back up. They have indicated to Corky Stanton that as a private business they have the right to do business with whom they please. I would differ -- no business can refuse service in the United States based on religion, race, handicapped. However, my purpose at this time is to get the site back up. I would also question whether any company can disrupt another business (or religious institution) by arbitrary and capricious policies.

I have not heretofore identified the fact that we have been working with Corky Stanton (owner of INA www.clothesfree.com). (http://www.clothesfree.com).) You know that I have long advocated a stronger relationship between compatible organizations so that we will not duplicate efforts and can be more effective. I want to express our deepest appreciation for Corky's efforts even though we have not told you who we were working with in the past.

The worst case scenario is that our site will be down for a couple of days. Corky has indicated that it would be best to put it on the company that hosts www.clothesfree.com (http://www.clothesfree.com) but our software (PHP) may not be compatible. In any event, I am sure that between Corky Stanton and David Martin every effort will be made to get the site back up as soon as possible. My wife and I had planned (and intend to keep those plans to stay at Cypress Cove for the next four days beginning tomorrow. I will remain in frequent contact by cell-phone.

At the suggestion of Corky, I have tried calling the hosting office but get only an answering machine. I am going to continue trying. From what I have heard some of the people there must be "American Family Association" members as they can't stand the sight of a nude child with family. They obviously have no knowledge of the early Christian Church. When Corky raised the religious issue, he was told "give me a break". This only makes our battle more important. We must break through this false puritanical belief system which is so rampant in America.

I appreciate your patients and look forward to hearing from you -- though I will probably not have access to a computer for the next several days.

Bill Martin

[Cookie Monster]

Thanks Trailscout. I appears that this is only temporary. Thanks again.
cmonster

[NakedDan]

I'm also a member there and very displeased with this. 'Inappropriate content'. Is a textile family inappropriate? Why would a nudist family be?

[fanrlawyer]

Trailscout, if the forum at Naturist Christians is still up and running, what's the url? I had bookmarked the homepage only. Thanks.

[Trailscout]

Go to: Yahoo Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com/) , then enter Naturist-Christian in the "Join a group" box.

It not the main site, but sort of a backup for situations such as this.

Thanks for asking!

[Smoof]

This may be a good reason to contact the folks at the American Center for Law and Justice @ www.ACLJ.org (http://www.ACLJ.org)
They are the most active group I am aware of that lobby and fight in the courts for religious freedom rights. They have been in cases such as : Protecting students rights to hold prayer-groups on school grounds, protecting the phrase "In God We Trust" printed on all our legal tender money, the right of the Boy Scouts of America to prevent gay scout-leaders, to keep displays of the "Ten Commandments" from being outlawed in public buildings everywhere, etc., etc.,etc.

Who knows this could have the makings of a pivotal landmark decision...

God Bless you and your efforts.
Smoof

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Smoof:
This may be a good reason to contact the folks at the American Center for Law and Justice <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Wow, I checked out their web site. This group marches in lockstep with the AFA (http://www.afa.net/culture/pc022601.asp) . They are very much pro-censorship and strongly argue that exposure to nudity is harmful to children, and adults. They are focused on pornography, but don't seem to make any distinction between sexual and non-sexual nudity.

-Mark

[Nate Dekan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Smoof:
This may be a good reason to contact the folks at the American Center for Law and Justice @ www.ACLJ.org (http://www.ACLJ.org)
They are the most active group I am aware of that lobby and fight in the courts for religious freedom rights. [/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ONLY if you agree with their narrow fundamentalist Christian (IOW modern day Pharisee) views. I may be wrong and please let me know if I am, but I don't know of the ACLJ fighting for the rights and protection for Moslems since or before 9/11, only a few radical fundamentalists (humm, there's that f word again, it's not just a Christian or Moslem thing) had anything to do with 9/11. They say they are fighting FOR religious freedom rights, but it seems to me that I heard they are fighting against things like equal rights for gays (including marriage), many of whom are religious, rather than for their freedom. I'm sure that without very much research at all I could come up with many more examples of how the ACLJ only fights for it's very narrow view of religious "freedom" but these two should be hot enough!

Now I'm not saying that I think (for example) that homosexuality is right. What I am saying is that freedom is freedom ONLY if those you strongly disagree with are as free as you are, otherwise "freedom" is an empty farce and a lie. I'm also saying that you can not win someone to Christ by having laws that force them to outwardly conform to "Christian" moral standards. What forcing people to conform usually does is cause people to hate their oppressors and everything they stand for. (I won't go into what the Bible says about the purpose of the law except briefly to say that it's not to make us righteous, but to show us that we are NOT righteous, NONE OF US!, No not one, apart from Jesus Christ.)

No I think Hell would freeze over before the ACLJ fought for the rights of Christian naturists. ROTFLMAO!!! On the other hand the ACLU could very well be interested in this case.

Oops, did I just light fire to the hornet's nest?

Nate

[Trailscout]

Nate,

Put it to the test. Invite both groups, ACLU and ACLJ to help the Christian Naturists.

Ideally both groups would put aside any misgivings they might have about nudism and simply defend our right to religious liberty.

[Jay042]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Nate,

Put it to the test. Invite both groups, ACLU and ACLJ to help the Christian Naturists.

Ideally both groups would put aside any misgivings they might have about nudism and simply defend our right to religious liberty. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, that would require the ACLJ to actually believe in the concept of true religious liberty. From what I've seen, they are about ensuring special legal consideration for Fundamentalist ideals.

Go ahead and contact them, just expect to get the notice of rejection.

[Trailscout]

Naturist-Christians found a new home.
We have the same Web address:

Naturist-Christians (http://www.naturist-christians.org)

I guess it would be pointless to sue anyone now.

I like both ACLJ and ACLU. There are things they both do that I don't like, but each is trying to protect the rights of minority opinions. A true republic protects the rights of people to express their opinion, not just the majority opinion.

I want to see our society not make so many rules prohibiting people from expressing their views, from worshipping or being silent as their conscience dictates.

A Web host has the legal right to deny Web hosting to clients, but not for religious or ethnic reasons. But it is such a hassle to sue them that as long as you can find alternate hosting, it is hard to see suing as a good tactic in our battle to get the word out about our lifestyle.

[Jochanaan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Naturist-Christians found a new home.
We have the same Web address:

Naturist-Christians (http://www.naturist-christians.org)

I guess it would be pointless to sue anyone now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh yeah? I just tried that address and it wasn't found. Is it just my machine?

[Trailscout]

It's up now, but don't worry about your machine. Sometimes Web hosting servers are brought down temporarily for service, or they are up, but too many people are trying to access the site at once.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jochanaan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Naturist-Christians found a new home.
We have the same Web address:

Naturist-Christians (http://www.naturist-christians.org)

I guess it would be pointless to sue anyone now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh yeah? I just tried that address and it wasn't found. Is it just my machine? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Try refreshing once... sometimes your browser may not be set so it gets the latest version. Just beware of the spam you get once you sign up.

As for suing, there are no grounds. A host can make whatever rules he wants. Many of them aren't comfortable with pictures of nude kids.

[Jochanaan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
It's up now, but don't worry about your machine. Sometimes Web hosting servers are brought down temporarily for service, or they are up, but too many people are trying to access the site at once. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Must have been something like that. I just logged on. Thanks, Trailscout and cyndiann!