why hardly any naked ladies on nudist beaches?

[naked_Mark]

I recently visited nudist beach in Australia. One of them was Lady Bay Beach in Sydney, whilst the other was Alexandria Bay in Noosa. I was amazed to find that of the people nude, about 95% of them were men. THere were only a small handful of nude ladies. Why is this? Are all nudist beaches like this? I never stripped nude myself though, didn't feel comfortable about there being so many men. Would have felt much better if there was more a fair mix of sexes, would have been a little easier on the eye too. Plus the Sydney beach was situated on a tourist walk too, so there were many gawpers looking down at the beach.

I'll get round to getting nude in public soon, just have to find the right darn place though.

[naked_Mark]

I recently visited nudist beach in Australia. One of them was Lady Bay Beach in Sydney, whilst the other was Alexandria Bay in Noosa. I was amazed to find that of the people nude, about 95% of them were men. THere were only a small handful of nude ladies. Why is this? Are all nudist beaches like this? I never stripped nude myself though, didn't feel comfortable about there being so many men. Would have felt much better if there was more a fair mix of sexes, would have been a little easier on the eye too. Plus the Sydney beach was situated on a tourist walk too, so there were many gawpers looking down at the beach.

I'll get round to getting nude in public soon, just have to find the right darn place though.

[greensunshine]

Sad /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif to say Mark,

You guys out number us females to the tune of about 10 to 1 even here in the USA...still trying to figure that one out myself Green scratches her head over this one... Other than maybe it has something to do with the way we females percieve ourselves in the mirror...come to think of it, I have a full length one myself, and the first thoughts (uncontrolled that is, is "Gee, I look fat") and technically by most standards I really am not /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ...and the other reason has to do with the ways guys have a way of looking at us when we are naked /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif ...and after going to enough places, I can understand too why a lot of females prefer to stay covered up. So not to blame anyone person, but a group of people...I can see why a lot of females prefer to stay home or wherever they are instead of flocking to the beaches /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Greensunshine /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naked_Mark:
I'll get round to getting nude in public soon, just have to find the right darn place though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My advice is to go to mainland Europe where you'll generally find the mix more even because, I think, Europeans have to a large extent got over the nudity=sex thing.

Suitable places are the coast of Holland which has some 20 nudist beaches in the stretch between The Hague and Den Helder and are all identified (as FKK) on notices/maps which are sited at the main entrance to any beach. France has a strong tradition of nude beaches. There's plenty down the Atlantic coast. And Spain also has many fine nudist beaches where male/female nudist/non-nudist all mingle happily together.

Rik

This is real easy to answer.... women are taught to be lots more concious of their body image than men. It is shoved down out throats all the time, in magazines, on TV. This is why most anorexics are female. Because of this most women are afraid to leave the house without makeup, much less go to a nude beach and strip off. Men can get a bit pushy at public beaches too so many women prefer private nudist clubs where behavior is monitored. Another factor is religion. More women than men are deep into religion and most religions teach that nudity is bad.

[Gary Naturist]

When the conditions are right, there is a reaonably even mix of men and women. I think particularly of Wreck Beach in Vancouver, Little Beach on Maui, Haulover Beach in Miami.

These beaches are well recognized and accepted as clothing-optional and they are busy. In most cases, there are nudist "police" who are on the lookout for inappropriate behavior, including excessive gawking.

Women feel safe in these places, and not the center of attention, in both cases because the beaches are busy. Families also feel safe here.

My favorite clothing-optional beach in the world is in British Columbia. In fact, it is not a beach, but a dock, sticking out into a very small lake.

The dock is used mostly by locals. There's an even mix of sexes, nude vs clothed and sexual orientation. On any given day, you'll find babies, kids, teens, adults and seniors -- all ages getting along extremely well.

In particular, you'll see single moms with youngsters, lesbians, hippie couples, small groups of teens (mix of clothed and nude), local characters and the odd mind-boggled tourist.

The dock is only about 30 x 7 feet. On occasion, I have seen 25 people jammed together on it, literally cheek to cheek.

Everyone is tolerant of everyone else -- the perfect example of how nudity should be accepted in the everyday world.

Gary

[nudist_in_Tn]

Greensunshine; I beg to differ my dear the 2000 census calculated that in the U. S. women have outnumbered men since the early 70s to the tune of 7 to 1. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[RalphVa]

I went to a nude beach just north of Perth (think that's Swanborne). There was about an equal number of men and women there on that day. Must have been about a hundred there, too.

One day on Fontane Bianche beach in Sicily, some Germans turned it into a nude beach (during a weekday). There was about an equal number of men and women there, too.

At swim events in NJ and at a canude event, there was near an equal number of men and women.

At the odd nude beach here and there that I've been to, there are usually more men than women.

Ralph

[brainyguy9999]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nudist_in_Tn:
Greensunshine; I beg to differ my dear the 2000 census calculated that in the U. S. women have outnumbered men since the early 70s to the tune of 7 to 1. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What????

First, I believe she meant that at nudist events it seems that men outnumber women 10 to 1.

And I must beg to differ with your numbers. The US has maintained 48-53 females to every 50 males in the US for the last 70-80 years (excluding wartime). According to "The 2003 World Almanac And Book Of Facts" paperback edition (ISBN 0-88687-882-9), page 13. The figure labeled "Number of males per 100 females, by age, 2000" states the following numbers:

All Ages: 96.3 (that's 96.3 males to every 100 females)
Under 5: 104.8
Under 18: 105.2
18-64: 98.9
65+: 70.0
65-74: 82.3
75-84: 65.2
85+: 40.7

(Source: Bureau of the Census, U.S. Dept. of Commerce)

For all ages, 96.3 males for every 100 females yields 9.6 males for every 10 females or 51.92 females per every 50 males.

The figure on page 400 titled "Population, by Sex, Race, Residence, and Median Age, 1790-2000" (Source: Bureau of the Census, U.S. Dept. of Commerce) lists the split as approxmimately 138,054,000 men to 143,368,000 women.

The figure on page 400 lists census figures for 1950, 1960, 1970, 1980, 1985, then 1990 - 2000 annually. I can post all of the numbers if anyone is really just that interested!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sorry if I offended anyone, I just couldn't help myself. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hope that helps!

bg

By the way, I'd like to see more women attending nudist events as well. I'd like to add my fiance someday. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Bartamus]

Naked-Mark: I just got back to Australia and I
can relate to your experience. However, according
to the guide book we had, Lady Jane Beach is
predominantly gay. That would explain the
large male population. We went to Cobblers beach,
a favorite of several members of INA in Sydney.
It's a small isolated yet beautiful beach and
yes, males were in the majority. There were a
few females but it would be nice to have a better
representation for the good of naturism

[Bartamus]

Correction: I meant to say Lady Bay Beach.

[randomnude]

I think the day of the week and probably the time of day are factors as well.

Back in the summer of 2000 I was on a business trip to Spain. With no more work to do my last day, plus the fact that I was to fly out in the late afternoon, I took the opportunity to visit the beach on the Mediterranean. I believe it was called La Playa de Vera but I could be wrong. The beach was predominately women and children. Slowly as the day progressed the age shifted from mothers and children to teenagers and college students. The gender also began to swing. While when I arrived I was in the minority, by mid-afternoon I saw the men take over. Just a thought.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bartamus:
Naked-Mark: I just got back to Australia and I
can relate to your experience. However, according
to the guide book we had, Lady Jane Beach is
predominantly gay. That would explain the
large male population. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not really....some women are gay too.

[greensunshine]

I would like to clarify my data by saying that the estimated figures pertain to the nudist sector only and at both the clubs and beaches in my general area and this does include most of Oregon and Washington /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[naked_Mark]

Thanks. I was going to enquire about how to get to the Cobblers Beach in NSW, but if it's going to be mostly blokes on there what's the point.

Cheers for the suggestion about going to European beaches. I might try and visit one of the beaches in Holland sometime this Summer.

Anyone know what Brighton nudist beach is like? I could get there and back in a day trip. Please don't tell me that that's full of mostly blokes too?!

[Hokienudist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RalphVa:
I went to a nude beach just north of Perth (think that's Swanborne). There was about an equal number of men and women there on that day. Must have been about a hundred there, too.

One day on Fontane Bianche beach in Sicily, some Germans turned it into a nude beach (during a weekday). There was about an equal number of men and women there, too.

At swim events in NJ and at a canude event, there was near an equal number of men and women.

At the odd nude beach here and there that I've been to, there are usually more men than women.

Ralph <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Any nude beaches in the Virginia area Ralph?

[RalphVa]

Only nude beaches I've heard of here are up around Chicoteague.

Think you can hike naked on the Appalachian Trail, particularly if you do it in a group for safety.

Ralph

[Bob S.]

Last I heard, there were no nude beaches in Virginia. The closest either being on the Outer Banks or on the Delmarva Penninsula, somewhere on the Maryland side.

Bob S.

[hoddi]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naked_Mark:
I recently visited nudist beach in Australia. One of them was Lady Bay Beach in Sydney, whilst the other was Alexandria Bay in Noosa. I was amazed to find that of the people nude, about 95% of them were men. THere were only a small handful of nude ladies. Why is this? Are all nudist beaches like this? I never stripped nude myself though, didn't feel comfortable about there being so many men. Would have felt much better if there was more a fair mix of sexes, would have been a little easier on the eye too. Plus the Sydney beach was situated on a tourist walk too, so there were many gawpers looking down at the beach.

I'll get round to getting nude in public soon, just have to find the right darn place though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>For me this is very strange. I have been on nude beaches in several countries including Germany, Spain, France and Slovenia, and I had almost always the expression that there were about equal proportion of men and women in all the places. Exception in cases it was really cool or windy, then I experienced higher porportion of men.
I think this must somehow depend on where in the world. Apparently different in Australia and USA than in Europe.

[RIVERRAT]

just be glad you don't live where I live, the word is like leprosy, they live in colonies, there are some skinnydippers hear, but don't tell anyone. We have to travel 300 to 500 miles for a resort, the closest beach that tolerates nudism is 45 miles from where I live, in a state that gives the ladies the right to be topless in public, nude is a swear word, thats not to say many women use the right to be topless, I've seen maybe ten, they were at the beach I earlier mentioned, thank GOD for the Canadians, they are,t affraid to be naked almost anywhere.

[naked_Mark]

I revisited Lady Bay Beach in Sydney last week, hoping that there might just be a better mix of men and women present there. I was disappointed again. It was even worst than the first time I visited - this time it was all blokes except for one lady who was topless and wearing a thong. Again, I decided not to get naked and came away again. Lady Bay beach is certainly one nude beach where men need not worry about getting erections!

I guess I'll have to try one of the European beaches instead. Sounds like I wont be so disappointed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naked_Mark:
I revisited Lady Bay Beach in Sydney last week, hoping that there might just be a better mix of men and women present there. I was disappointed again. It was even worst than the first time I visited - this time it was all blokes except for one lady who was topless and wearing a thong. Again, I decided not to get naked and came away again. Lady Bay beach is certainly one nude beach where men need not worry about getting erections!I guess I'll have to try one of the European beaches instead. Sounds like I wont be so disappointed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey Mark, stop being homophobic and go get naked. They won't bite you I promise. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[florida-david]

naked-mark,
you are apparently on the wrong forum, i think you are looking for the "blokes-who-have-not-seen-enough-naked-women-in-my-life-and-that-is- why-i-pretend-to-be-a-nudist" website. you seem to not understand that nudists get nude because they enjoy the feeling of being nude doing things we would ordinarily be doing restricted by clothes. you might be better to renew that subscription to hustler or another equally sick magazine that degrades women for the enjoyment of men.
cyndiann - i am picking up your sarcasm and its fun, thanks for the inspiration....

Florida-David,

That was my thought when I read Naked_Mark's post. It sounded to me as though he is only interested in seeing naked women and has no idea what being a nudist really is. While I'm sure that his seeing the real thing versus looking at pictures would be more enjoyable for him, voyuers are NOT welcome in nudist venues. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by florida-david:
you might be better to renew that subscription to hustler or another equally sick magazine that degrades women for the enjoyment of men.
cyndiann - i am picking up your sarcasm and its fun, thanks for the inspiration.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Welcome Mark... but I disagree that porn mags are sick. Showing off the pretty ones isn't degrading. If I looked like the type of woman that they feature I'd o it in a heartbeat.

[florida-david]

cyndiann -

i think that boys and young men are easily enticed into the ogling over music sluts (britney, etc.) and porn mags and videos, which i (and my wife) find degrades women. if these same young men were introduced to ordinary healthy nudity, than there would be more respect for women, wether "picture perfect" or otherwise. i think this is a common thread of the women rights movement. also, these same young men would have healthy expectations of what real men and women are like. but the porn lobby is much greater than the healthy nudist lobby, so these same young men grow old with false ideas of what real women are (sex sells?). the same males ogle and search for that perfect ideal (sometimes at a nude venue), never finding it in their real life, and hence continue the cycle educating other men on their sick views. it really disgusts me that fathers teach these views to young males, rather than teaching respectful values (and i'm not religious, so this comes from the heart, not teachings).

just a thought....

[luvnaturism]

My wife and I were recently at Lady Jane/Lady Bay Beach (the locals seem to use two names for the same beach). We too were surprised at the disproportion between men and women. It was especially obvious to us because typically we go to places where the numbers are about equal.

Because there were so many more men than women, I did wonder if it might be a predominantly a gay beach. However, there were was no overtly sexualized behavior?just a crowd of people enjoying the sun and water. We've never understood how "straight" non-sexualized behavior is superior to "gay" non-sexual behavior, so we just relaxed and enjoyed ourselves.

It was a beautiful sunny day, the beach is nice, the water was warm, and the people were friendly and helpful. What's not to like?

There's more I want to post about our experience, but it doesn't fit this thread. I'll try to get it written in the next couple of days.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by florida-david:
cyndiann -

i think that boys and young men are easily enticed into the ogling over music sluts (britney, etc.) and porn mags and videos, which i (and my wife) find degrades women. if these same young men were introduced to ordinary healthy nudity, than there would be more respect for women, wether "picture perfect" or otherwise. i think this is a common thread of the women rights movement. also, these same young men would have healthy expectations of what real men and women are like. but the porn lobby is much greater than the healthy nudist lobby, so these same young men grow old with false ideas of what real women are (sex sells?). the same males ogle and search for that perfect ideal (sometimes at a nude venue), never finding it in their real life, and hence continue the cycle educating other men on their sick views. it really disgusts me that fathers teach these views to young males, rather than teaching respectful values (and i'm not religious, so this comes from the heart, not teachings).

just a thought.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You are confusing issues here....porn is the victim of underhanded people sometimes but porn on it's own is healthy and necessary. Don't confuse those morons that do take advantage of women with the vehicle they sometimes use.

I know several women who are nudists and who are involved in the sex industry in some fashion. They are not abused and not anyone's victim. They are choosing to make a living from various forms of sexual nudity. A couple are nude dancers, one does live videocam, etc.

Healthy nudity includes many things beyond naturism. There is nudity in art, streaking, nude political statements, and yes, even sexual nudity. Because it is sexual it isn't automatically bad and wrong.

What I do find offensive is your use of the word "sluts". It is highly judgemental and shows you to be treating women just as you say the porn industry does. Did you learn that from looking at porn?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dave M.:
Cyndiann- Thats just the kind of view that gives nudist/naturist a bad name! Viewing women as sex objects is not going get them to the beach let alone a nude one. Porn is no answer!!!!!!!!! RESPECT is the only answer!!! Without RESPECT do no expect to find more women at nudist/naturist venues or beaches. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not respecting that porn has a place in society is giving our female friends that make a living from it a bad name. A woman is a sex object to all (straight) men in one form or another. That doesn't mean that is all they have to be. Women don't try nudism because they don't trust men in general to treat them non-sexually and that has nothing to do with porn. It has to do with how those men were taught to respect others.

[Mic]

Boys might be enticed to look at the teen sluts, but the young girls are inspired and encouraged to dress like them.

Mic

[Mic]

Regarding the discussion of why fewer women on the beaches. I remember that when I first was in naturist environment, I was more intimidated by others who were dressed. As I have become more relaxed with public nudity, I can accept clothed people more readily. Since women are more body conscious that we men are supposed to be, maybe they prefer a more controlled environment rather than a public nude beach or C/O area.

Mic

[naked_Mark]

I think this topic has gone a little off-topic due to one person's unfair comment about me.

Right, let me confirm. NO I do NOT visit nude beaches so that I can perve on all the ladies. And yes, I have seen PLENTY of naked ladies in my life. But as I am looking for my first nudist beach to get naked, a beach where it is purely naked men is not to my liking whatsoever. There has to be a more even mix of men and women. I'm sure other people feel that way too. And NO, I do not subscribe to or purchase any pervy or sick magazines which you are claiming I do. Do you understand what I am saying? Right, I hope you do. Thank you.

[EricNY]

Naked Mark:

I am trying to understand one thing. Without taking sides.

If you want to get naked on a beach, WHY does it matter if there are more men than women?

Who are you getting nude for?

You?

Or the others that are on the beach?

Would it not be the same, being nude in the sun, no matter the gender that surrounds you, or are you looking for the eye-candy?

Just a question /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naked_Mark:
But as I am looking for my first nudist beach to get naked, a beach where it is purely naked men is not to my liking whatsoever. There has to be a more even mix of men and women. I'm sure other people feel that way too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm sure you're right, but to explain why you want to see more women on beaches by saying that "a beach where it is purely naked men is not to my liking" is like saying I like the colour black because I don't like white.

What is it about a beach full of naked men that disturbs you?

Would your feeling be different if it was a beach full of naked women?

Rik

[naked_Mark]

From the nudist reports I have seen in the past on the telly and other media, I have noticed that it has allways been a very even mix of men and women. For instance, I've seen reports of nudist resorts on UK holiday programmes in the past and its been a fair mix of men and women. Imagine my surprise then when I visit Lady Bay Beach in Sydney, only to find its pretty much all naked men. And then I later find out that it is in fact a gay nudist beach, I had no idea this was the case. In the travel books, and free brochures etc, this beach was simply advertised as a 'nude beach', there was no mention whatsoever of it being a 'gay nudist beach'. If I had known that I wouldn't have bothered visiting it.

YES I would prefer getting naked at a beach/resort where there is a good even mix of both sexes. A single sex nudist environement is not for me. I would feel more comfortable with a mixed sex environment. And NO, when I get to the eventual place where I decide to get naked, I'm NOT going to spend all day looking to the front, back, left and right perving on all the naked ladies. I will simply get naked, read a book, and lie there and relax, and enjoy being nude in an environment I am comfortable with. I'll say it again, I won't be spending all day gawping at all the ladies thinking to myself "Cor! look at that one there!" and the like. But as a heterosexual male if I do catch a sight of a naked female present there, I won't lie, of course it will be a pleasant view.

I've been within nude beaches before in Greace, Spain, etc but I haven't visited any of them because I simply didn't have the guts to strip off and get naked in front of all those strangers. If I wanted to go there and have a perve on the ladies I could have done. But I didn't, seen all that before. It is only fairly recently when I have felt I would like to get involved in the naturist scene(to a certain degree).

Now I hope this clears up any confusion about me going to nudist beaches simply to perve on the ladies?

Thank you.

[EricNY]

I never said that you want to "perve the ladies"

Don't get me wrong I ENJOY the sight of a lovely woman,dressed or undressed, any man would be lieing if they told you otherwise. The body is a wonderful sight, art in its true form.

I still do not understand why you feel that you can not be nude on the beach, unless there is as many woman as men.

[Rik]

Naked Mark,

I think what you're saying is that a "gay nudist beach" suggests that the primary purpose of being nude at such a beach is sexual and therefore the ambience is a sexual one rather than a non-sexual one. It might even be threatening if you feel that you, as a male, are more likely to be approached for sexual reasons.

However your primary purpose of visting a nudist beach is to get naked and any sexual feelings are likely to be secondary or non-existent.

Is that about it?

Rik

[naked_Mark]

Yes I know that you yourself weren't insisting I was there to perve on the ladies. But another one or two people got the idea that I was. I just wanted to put the issue right on that matter.

But ye, I'll stick to my view and that is that I'd be more comfortable at a beach/resort where there is a more even mix of men and women present. Call me weird if you like, but that's just the way I feel.

Also, I can confirm that when I visited Lady Bay Beach on the 2 occasions there were also a couple of other men(older than me, in their late 30's/40's) who visited the beach, had a brief look and then went away again. Now whether they were there to have a perve or like myself they were disappointed to find that it wasn't an even mix of both sexes present at the beach I do not know. But they did have a bag with a beach towel in anyway.

[naked_Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rik:
Naked Mark,

I think what you're saying is that a "gay nudist beach" suggests that the primary purpose of being nude at such a beach is sexual and therefore the ambience is a sexual one rather than a non-sexual one. It might even be threatening if you feel that you, as a male, are more likely to be approached for sexual reasons.

However your primary purpose of visting a nudist beach is to get naked and any sexual feelings are likely to be secondary or non-existent.

Is that about it?

Rik <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, I wouldn't feel too comfortable about being naked on a 'gay nudist beach' in case anyone approaches me for sexual reasons.

And yes, my PRIMARY reason of visitng a nudist beach is for me to get naked and enjoy the freedom of being naked in the open air. Yes, any sexual feelings are likely to be non-existend or secondary. Again, I won't be spending all day gawping around at the ladies. But yes, I would still prefer to goto a mixed sex beach/resort rather than a single sex one.

[greensunshine]

Cyndiann, I have to agree with you on what you have said in your latest posts...If I had a body and the courage to bear it all for the media, I probably would consider it...I have nothing against showing off my body even now in a group photo...and I have (for those who would like to see what I look like...have fun searching, because the secret is knowing who was in the pics with me as well).

Nude_Mark, when you can give all of a valid arguement as to why it is so important for a mixed beach...maybe we will be more willing to except your agruements for a mixed beach...at the moment you are looking to the wrong people for justification on wanting a 50/50 beach. Most of us go for reasons that have more to do do with enjoying the sun on our bodies than a place to go and get an inexpensive thrill out of seeing someone naked...especially of the opposite sex.

Sorry done the club /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ...seen the games /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ...and sometimes wonder where the best places are to be naked too /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif ...but that is an issue I will solve on my own /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ...ty

Greensunshine /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS

Oh and my reasons for going to the beaches have nothing to do with a 50/50 ratio /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

[naked_Mark]

Oh for crying out loud, how many more times do I have to tell people this??? I am NOT visiting nudist beaches to perve on girls!!!!!!!!!! Jeez. I simply want to visit a beach/resort and get naked in a MIXED sex environment, and not a single sex one.

Here is my statemenet yet again. Perhaps you can have a careful read through it.

"YES I would prefer getting naked at a beach/resort where there is a good even mix of both sexes. A single sex nudist environement is not for me. I would feel more comfortable with a mixed sex environment. And NO, when I get to the eventual place where I decide to get naked, I'm NOT going to spend all day looking to the front, back, left and right perving on all the naked ladies. I will simply get naked, read a book, and lie there and relax, and enjoy being nude in an environment I am comfortable with. I'll say it again, I won't be spending all day gawping at all the ladies thinking to myself "Cor! look at that one there!" and the like. But as a heterosexual male if I do catch a sight of a naked female present there, I won't lie, of course it will be a pleasant view.

I've been within nude beaches before in Greace, Spain, etc but I haven't visited any of them because I simply didn't have the guts to strip off and get naked in front of all those strangers. If I wanted to go there and have a perve on the ladies I could have done. But I didn't, seen all that before. It is only fairly recently when I have felt I would like to get involved in the naturist scene(to a certain degree)."

And if people are STILL going to disagree with me, then it's absolutely bloody pointless me posting messages defending myself as no one is going to believe me anyway by the looks of it.

In the meantime I will continue to view these forums as I have a GENUINE interest in the naturist scene. If I want to look at naked(or more or less naked) ladies then all I have to do is go to a strip club in the city, NOT go all the way to a nudist beach!

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by greensunshine:
Nude_Mark, when you can give all of a valid arguement as to why it is so important for a mixed beach...maybe we will be more willing to except your agruements for a mixed beach...at the moment you are looking to the wrong people for justification on wanting a 50/50 beach. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Greensunshine, I think he probably has given an almost valid argument. He is saying that:

1) a gay beach is sexually orientated (the clue is in the word "gay")

2) he wants to enjoy nudism in a non-sexual environment.

Fair enough but I think he bases this on the assumption that an all male beach is, by definition, a gay beach but I think that such an assumption is dangerous as:

1) it is behaviour which identifies sexual activity: simply being male and naked with other males does not imply homosexual activity.

2) in many places male naturists outnumber female naturists for reasons which have nothing to do with sexual orientation.

What he hasn't made clear is how would he would react to the (unlikely) scenario of an all female nude beach.

Rik

[florida-david]

wow this is getting interesting, i feel like i have been gone for months, but its only been days...

cyndiann - i do not agree with your beliefs on the porn industry, but i will think about it and get back to you.

mark - i think you represent the majority of the male population when you say that if you are willing to try a nude beach, it should not be overpopulated with a bunch of guys, some of which you might assume are gay. while i do not agree with your beliefs, i can see your point. i wish the world could get over the homo-phobia and move on so we (and you) can enjoy the water and sun. i would suggest you try another nude beach and go enjoy yourself naked regardless of who's there. would you go naked to a deserted nude beach and/or a beach full of naked women (of all shapes and sizes, since you are being a good naturist and not gawking). by the way, its ok to look, just no ogling.

hope i did not offend, i was only being silly earlier....

[Suntied]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naked_Mark:
Oh for crying out loud, how many more times do I have to tell people this??? If I want to look at naked(or more or less naked) ladies then all I have to do is go to a strip club in the city, NOT go all the way to a nudist beach! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Naked_Mark,
I understand your dilima and feel I can shed a bit of light on a diferent way to look at getting naked socially.

Two years ago, I got up the nerve to go to a nudist resort alone. I was extreamly nervous about what people would think of me being there and going there alone. Would they think I was a "perve", would they think I was gay (I am not), or would there be gay men there ready to pounce?

I had to drink a couple beers before I pulled in to calm my nerves. I believe my hand was shaking when I shook the hand of the owner/manager. My head was swimming with ideas and discomfort.

Within five to ten minutes of my arival, I got undressed and nobody cared. I said hello to everyone, forgetting there names as soon as we were introduced (my head was still foggy). The fact that there were females there didn't matter... the fact that I was dressed made me feel uncomfortable and once naked with them I didn't feel like such a stranger.

I left the club house area and picked a spot for my tent. As I was setting up camp, I remember feeling extremely excited. I WAS OUTSIDE NAKED!!! I was very happy even though I was away from everyone else. After about an hour, I was striking up conversations with the men there more than the ladies. They were all married, and since I had told the manager that I was single, I didn't want the men to think I was there to meet women, because I most certainly wasn't. Later, I walked through the woods on the trail alone. I was really having a blast alone... with the group... just being naked outside!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The evening ended with me and another gentleman having a great conversation sitting side by side, drinking a beer, under a full moon. If that seen were on TV, the two of us would have been percieved as gay and in a romantic situation... Right? Well all that society stuff goes right out the window when you're enjoyng the freedom of being naked.

When I first started reading this thread, I thought I would be uncomfortable at a nude beach/resort without women being there. I have since changed my mind, because I remember the feeling of enjoyment I got that day even being by myself. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have since decided, that if there were a "gay nude beach" nearby, or that I visited without knowing (even if I did know) I would get naked because that makes me happy. If approached by gay men for sexual resons, I would let them know that I wasn't there for any type of sexual reasons... and ignor them. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You should feel how natural and free it feels to be naked outside no matter who is there (as long as it's in a legally nude place). You'll love it!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Be selfish... get naked for yourself!!!

Nudity Rules!!!
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Suntied

[luvnaturism]

This discussion, which springs from one person's (and a guidebook's) perception that Lady Bay Beach is a gay beach, intrigued me. My wife and I went there on the recommendation of our guide as his own preferred c/o beach in Sydney. I'm 100% certain that he wouldn't have sent us there if he considered it to be a gay beach.

This led me to do some internet research. Lady Bay Beach (also known as Lady Jane Beach) is one of Sydney's legal nude beaches. This means that you can go there and be absolutely certain of not being hassled by the law. It's a pleasant and sheltered beach (though not great for non-swimmers; the water gets deep fast).

One does need a certain self-confidence to relax there. The beach is located in a major park, and a popular trail passes just above. Harbor tour boats pass close offshore. The combination means beach users end up being one of Sydney's scenic sights.

But gay? I found one website that identified the beach as "gay friendly." Dozens of sites just identify it as a popular and legal nude beach.

What about the gender imbalance? In the US there are many times more male nudists than female, often prompting clubs into the controversial practice of strictly limiting the number of single men who can attend. I've been at two US nude beaches, Red Rock in California and Haulover in Florida. Both had a lot more men than women on the days I was there.

As I said in an earlier post, we were surprised at so many men and so few women at Lady Bay Beach. Partly it was a new experience for us. I take great care that my wife is always comfortable in c/o situations, so we typically restrict ourselves to places where numbers are about equal. Also, we had just made an assumption that in Australia women would be out in about equal numbers. Obviously there was no factual basis to that assumption.

We basically said to each other, "It's not quite what we expected, but we're here so we'll enjoy it." Those around us were very friendly, there was zero behavior that could be thought offensive, and we were sorry that we couldn't stay longer.

With respect to Naked_Mark's views, I think we all look for something different in naturism (as in life). We all have things that we fear, or at least that make us uncomfortable?and often we don't even know what those are. He didn't find what he was hoping for and chose not to participate. That's his privilege, and some of us would feel that it was his loss. However, I don't think we need to go from that to the conclusion that he's a pervert who just wants to ogle women.

It may be that there's some generational difference involved. Those of us who are older often grew up swimming nude with the other guys in gym class and at the YMCA. That's just our normal. Younger guys don't get that experience any more, so they may well react differently.

But I also think it's important to be careful about applying judgments that an imbalance of males automatically suggests its a beach primarily for gays. In my internet search I found other places that were commonly identified as gay hangouts, but not this beach. This is just one of Sydney's popular places to get naked. If you're already there, why not join in?

[Jochanaan]

I have to say that I sympathize with naked_Mark. While I have been naked outdoors, I have never done so in company--either male or female; but like most others, I have been naked in a shower-room setting with others of my sex. It's no big deal to me being naked around other naked men and boys. It will be a big deal when I finally get naked among others of both sexes--until I get accustomed to it and find that it's no big deal after all. To do this in a mostly masculine environment would seem to miss the point. (I speak of hundreds of men and only two or three women. If the proportions were more like 75/25, that would be fine.)

But that's my weakness. It really shouldn't matter at all. And I very much regret that more women haven't had the courage to get naked.

[luvnaturism]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dave M.:
?men have to earn the trust of women and show men can treat women non-sexually!? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I never want to underestimate the power of sexuality to cause fear in either women or men. However, I do think it's a mistake to think that it's the only factor that holds women back.

One of the toxic effects of the US culture is that so many people of both sexes are unable to accept their own bodies. But there is a difference between how this plays out for men and women.

MEN: lots of men dislike their own bodies; a relative few would never wear a swimsuit because of the way they think they look to others; and there are undoubtedly more who would never appear nude for the same reason.

WOMEN: few women like their bodies; many women hate their bodies; lots of women won't wear a swimsuit because of the way they think they look to others; and for this reason many, many women will never appear nude, not even in a female locker room.

How does one overcome this? Sometimes you can't. Sometimes love and caring provide the necessary support. Nothing works all the time. However I do think that we're going to see more men than women at nude beaches for a combination of causes.

[bennett]

First Off this is my first forum post so I hope I don't come across wrong.

Second I would like to thank Cyndiann for her talking to me 2 years ago and opening my eyes to total body acceptance and just going for it.

Was I nervous when I went my first time on a nude beach! Yes! but the world didn't stop! Duh! But yes there were more men then women, did it stop me No! and if that does stop you then you need to go somewhere else and get used to being around people.

As a male I do enjoy volleyball and playing nude is the best! But if you only want to do it in a mixed gender setting you'll be on the sidelines for a long time! I just askif I can play and join in.

As a newbie I have had the chance to go to Gunnison Beach for my first two times to a nude beach ( sad cause 2 weeks later was WTC attack) I will always remember what the Towers looked like from the beach impressive. Since then I have visited clubs in TN,PA and FL. I also have been to Haulover about 7 times

I have found that yes in the US we are a in the majority in this enviroment but I for one do not think any less of anyone we are all nudists/naturist and are sharing in the same joy the joy of freedom from clothes and able to enjoy nature in the nude. So you share a common thread enjoy it with them.

I hope I haven't rambled or strayed to far off the topic.

Be respectfull and enjoy the sun!

Bennett

[Trailscout]

I do not believe that it is very difficult to find females at most nudist venues.
All my experiences with social nudity have been in mixed-gender groups.

It is terribly unfair to accuse nude_Mark of sinful sexual motives simply because he prefers mixed company.

If I recall, nude_Mark did not presume that because the beach was all-male at the time of his visit that it was a homosexual beach. Someone else posted that comment.

Gaining the benefit of the female perspective on life is reason enough for a man to seek out venues where he is likely to encounter the opposite sex.

I am also grateful to visit nudist venues that have children, the elderly and those of other ethnic groups for the same reason. It is more like real life. We can learn from people who are different from us.

[EricNY]

Mark- I apoligize if you felt that I was accusing you of undesireable motives for wanting more woman on the beach. I re-read this entire thread and I can see how I came across. I am sorry for that.

What I was trying to say was you went all that way to go to the beach, sit down, get nude. Don't worry about who is there and who isn't. You are there for you. The first swim I went to was mostly men, and once I was there and nude I had some excellent conversations with them. The lack of women never crossed my mind.

I do agree however that more female participation would make it more enjoyable, but the lack of will not stop me from being nude.

just do it man /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[RIVERRAT]

Ihave to agree with trailscout, we would all like a more equal male, female gathering where we choose to be nude.I know where I go it is 90% male, but we are an excepted beach, you don't know from one day to the next if you'll be allowed or not, though in NY state women are allowed to be topless, I have seen more of this in the past few years. But the men who take the chance are probably ten or so on a given day maybe 2 topless ladies, and on occation a nude couple, I haven't seen any naked ladies alone. So I guess in answer to the question would you be a nude women on a beach alone with 8 or 10 naked men?

[AussieBeachBoy]

Naked_Mark and others,

As a Sydney resident, a few comments.

Bartamus (correctly) identified Lady Jane/Lady Bay Beach as having a "predominantly gay" patronage. It was Naked_Mark who then used the label of "gay nudist beach". This label tends to suggest it's a "beach for gay nude guys/girls". Not so. It's just a beach. However, a substantial percentage of the people at the beach just happen to be gay. This doesn't mean, however, that you're going to get propositioned, or that everyone on the beach is gay, or even that the gay people on the beach are there for sexually oriented reasons/activities. Is everyone at a "straight" beach there for sexual reasons? No, probably only a very small minority!

Having got that out of the way:
There are other beaches around Sydney, Mark, if you want to try again. Cobblers, at Mosman, is more 'family oriented' and although there is not a 50:50 mix you would probably see more women there. Very close to Cobblers (5mins walk away) is Obelisk Beach, which has a larger percentage of gay men, so you may want to give it a miss. (No, I'm not going to call it a 'gay beach'.)

Further south is Little Conwong at La Perouse which again has a more general demographic. Unlike the others mentioned, this is not an official nude beach, and you often find a number of clothed bathers as well as nudists.

Far south of Sydney is Werrong Beach, although it tends to have substantially more men than women.

About 2hrs north of Sydney is Birdie Beach at Lake Munmorah on the Central Coast. A more mixed and generally heterosexual crowd.

If you want directions to these places, and some photos (which show that women do go to these beaches too!), go here:
http://members.optushome.com.au/nudebeaches/ournudebeaches.html

Hope that helps.

[greensunshine]

Dear Mark,

First of all I never intended my last comment to imply that you were Gay or otherwise.

RiverRat,

I have to count myself in as part of that 10% you refer to on the beach...could explain while I tried the club scene, I decided that it wasn't for me after I saw all the crap that goes along with it here in the PacNW...there is more to life than having to experience some of the stuff I saw and endured while belonging to one for a while /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

As for the beaches, if I so happen to be one of that 10% that should be seen there, that is my choice...I confess I do enjoy looking at the view just as much as the next human being...but that isn't my intent for going to the beaches.

Just thought I would clear up some questions I too have contributed to in this BB.

Greensunshine /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[bertirolioliolo potatolioliololiolo]

The reason there are less women than men on the beaches is because generally, women have more sense !
They know that if they're alone they are likely to get hit on -I' ve seen it more times than I can remember. The least they can expect most of the time is to be gawked at.
Whats the percentage of girls on these discussion boards?

As I see it as long as nudists are seen as sexual by the population at large , while women are treated as different beings by men and as long as nude means "loose" and therefore available there will be less girls than boys hanging out.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bertiepotato:
The reason there are less women than men on the beaches is because generally, women have more sense !
They know that if they're alone they are likely to get hit on -I' ve seen it more times than I can remember. The least they can expect most of the time is to be gawked at.
Whats the percentage of girls on these discussion boards?

As I see it as long as nudists are seen as sexual by the population at large , while women are treated as different beings by men and as long as nude means "loose" and therefore available there will be less girls than boys hanging out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Right now there are more women posting on my boards than men.... maybe because a woman runs it? (is that better?)

[Suntied]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
Right now there are more women posting on my boards than wo men.... maybe because a woman runs it?[/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Edit button... we know what you meant but...

OK /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Suntied]

I have just got to say, even though I have never been to a nude beach, that a 2'X 2' square on the ground were it was legal for me to be naked outside the walls of my home would be good enough for me. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

When you live near a place that has made it ok to be naked there and you enjoy being naked... THEN GO!!! Be naked outdoors whenever and where ever you can. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Who cares if it is gay or straight? Just be naked and enjoy the fact that you can be free. There are no nude beaches in Ohio, /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif so complaining about the type of nude beach you go to seams like looking a gift horse in the mouth... to me! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just my opinion.

NUDITy ruLES,
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Suntied

[EricNY]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Suntied:
I have just got to say, even though I have never been to a nude beach, that a 2'X 2' square on the ground were it was legal for me to be naked outside the walls of my home would be good enough for me. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

When you live near a place that has made it ok to be naked there and you enjoy being naked... THEN GO!!! Be naked outdoors whenever and where ever you can. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Who cares if it is gay or straight? Just be naked and enjoy the fact that you can be free. There are no nude beaches in Ohio, /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif so complaining about the type of nude beach you go to seams like looking a gift hourse in the mouth... to me! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dude, you took the words right out of my mouth!!! Cool /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[BigTim]

I'm a newbie and I see lots of different issues in this post, but I'm going to try to address the originating post from my point of view.

The first time I tried going to a clothing-optional area, Haulover Beach, I really didn't know what to expect, other than the fact that I could be naked on the beach...which was my reason for going. On the day I went, there was an equal mix of males & females, I noticed, and a lot of families with children. The next time I went, it seemed to be more males than females. Everytime I go, it's different. Last time I went, there were more gays...and more clothed gawkers walking through.

None of this bothers me. You know why? Because I know WHY I go naked. Because it feels good to me to be naked. I love it and I don't care who else is there, or what they look like. Hell, I've been in gym shower rooms where the ratio was like 90% gay to 10% straight, but I'm there to take a shower and change, not for sex and not to look at other guys...besides I don't think my wife would appreciate that.

Each person has to figure out for themselves why they do the things they do, whether it's your job, your significant other, your lifestyle, what you eat, etc. And then do it for that reason, for yourself, not for others.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bertiepotato:
The reason there are less women than men on the beaches is because generally, women have more sense !
They know that if they're alone they are likely to get hit on -I' ve seen it more times than I can remember. The least they can expect most of the time is to be gawked at.
Whats the percentage of girls on these discussion boards?

As I see it as long as nudists are seen as sexual by the population at large , while women are treated as different beings by men and as long as nude means "loose" and therefore available there will be less girls than boys hanging out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Right now there are more women posting on my boards than men.... maybe because a woman runs it? (is that better?) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey girl friend please list your board