Desert Shadows Inn should be ashamed of themselves

[zuma]

And INA has a few things to answer to here as well.

Nudist organizations for the past 100 years have been fighting the nudity /= sex thing, so what happens? Desert Shadows allows Ron Jeremy to participate in the naked volleyball tournament?

I guess now nudity = porn.

I'm sure Mr. Jeremy is a decent updstanding fellow, but what in the hell was desert shadows thinking? Inviting porn stars to participate in supposedly family nudist activities does not help our cause.

Christ, this travesty rivals that "nudes-a-poppin" crap. Someone really needs to step to the forefront of decent family naturism and get rid of these idiots who are destroying what naturism is really about.

Sorry for the rant, but this latest nonsense just pissed me off.

I guess if someone asks me to go to my nudist club, I'll have to warn them that porn stars might show up, and to leave grandma at home.

[Corky]

I totally agree. That is why we are editing him out as much as possible. I was there, but he wasn't personally invited and he didn't even know he was coming there. It was all a part of "reality" TV, the "Surreal Life 2". They brought a bunch of celebs to a nudist resort without them knowing. One just happens to be a porn star. As another invited guest, I couldn't kick Ron Jeremy out myself. But I didn't aim the camera at him either.

Just because Ron Jeremy is at a place of business doesn't mean that business endorses him.

I think Desert Shadows did a great job dealing with it though. I heard the controversy first hand and it was either not let the whole show in or just watch that one guy. He behaved fine and stay dressed. He said he is not a nudist. And nudism still is definately not about sex.

Also, grandma is safe. The Desert Shadows Inn was closed to the public for that day just for the filming.

Do I take it that Mr Jeremy is some sort of male model for a salacious women's journal? Please excuse my ignorance.

Stu

[zuma]

Mr. Jeremy is a porn star, and has been for, oh, forever.

My beef with desert shadows is allowing him to participate in this event, knowing it would be broadcast on network tv.

This is NOT the message desert shadows needs to be sending out. A jr. high school campaign manager would have the good sense not to allow him to participate.

I do give INA props for editing him out as much as possible, but INA did fumble the ball by having the latest "nudes in the news" publicize his name.

I don't want to sound like an old prude, but we REALLY need be be careful about what we do here.

[Corky]

I was one who was vocalizing not to have him there. Ron's name was memtioned as one of the celebs in the news broadcast against my wishes. It was in the press release that was read. We cover events even if we don't agree with 100% of it.

Trust me, Ron would not be invited to most clubs on his own.

You are right! We have to be very careful!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zuma:
And INA has a few things to answer to here as well.

Nudist organizations for the past 100 years have been fighting the nudity /= sex thing, so what happens? Desert Shadows allows Ron Jeremy to participate in the naked volleyball tournament?

I guess now nudity = porn.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i think you are confusing issues here. The nudist organizations are against nudism=sex. Plain nudity can be just about anything it wants to be including streaking, porn, art, sex, naturism, stripping or anything else you can think of that is done nude.

Please, as a nudist, don't try to define nudity for everyone. You can define nudism all you want but nudism does not own all nudity.

[drewbe]

yes but zuma does have a point.... we do have to be carefull how our lifestyle is publicised where possible....

Drew

[Corky]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zuma:
...but INA did fumble the ball by having the latest "nudes in the news" publicize his name. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I just edited his name out of the news video. It will be up shortly. Thanks!

[LeoNJ]

Please pardon my ignorance as well.

But unless people follow or know of certain people in the Porn industry then the name itself would mean nothing to them. If only his name is mentioned and nothing about what type of work he does is not mentioned then he is just another face in the crowd as far as I am concerned. The more fuss that is made over the guy the more attention you bring to it. I think that by editing him out as much as possible was good and if his name is mentioned his particular line of work is not.

Kudos to Corky and his group for their good work.

LeoNJ

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by drewbe:
yes but zuma does have a point.... we do have to be carefull how our lifestyle is publicised where possible....

Drew <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree with that. We only have ourselves to blame that your average person on the street doesn't know what a nudist is. Corky and gang are rectifying that with their publicity but let's face it, there are too many nudists still in the closet and years of nudism being hidden from the general public has created a problem with public image.

That is why I am going to be front and center at Shane's concert this Saturday, nude and videotaped forever.

What I don't like is nudists hijacking nudity and insisting that all nudity represent nudism and that isn't gonna work. There is room for all kinds of positive nudity.

[drewbe]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
What I don't like is nudists hijacking nudity and insisting that all nudity represent nudism and that isn't gonna work. There is room for all kinds of positive nudity. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i agree and i think there is the need to get the message out there that it is a positive experence for the whole family..... sites like this one certainly help in that department. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Drew

[gamblefish]

While Corky and all at INA are to be commended for their downplaying of Ron Jeremy in their coverage, you can bet that the "WB" will not be so discreet.

If most people do not know who Ron Jeremy is, you can be sure that they will after watching this segment on the network version of this volleyball game. I am sure that the "Surreal Life" show will up-play Ron to his full ratings-grabbing porn-starring potential.

And although I liked the Erik Estrada interview by Corey, I would also bet that the WB interview will be much different...I would bet that Erik and the rest of the celebs will get quite a chuckle out of making fun of us "nudies". That may or may not happen, butt I rather think that the network will squeeze all the "shock value" it can get out of this little episode.

And we have to remember that the general public is NOT going to see the INA version of this episode, they are going to see the WB version.

If we come off looking like a bunch of weirdos on network tv...like usual...then Desert Shadows has done us a tremendous dis-service.

[Hooked]

Hello,
Ron Jeremy's presence shouldn't bother anyone. Although I think he is disgusting and filthy, the facts are the facts and in my opinion should be reported as such. Keep in mind, this production was done by the WB, not the INA, AANR, TNS etc...they wanted to make it something very noticable to the mainstream so mention nudity, a pornorgrapher, a really lame white rapper...etc, you grab an audience and maybe get some ratings. No, this will probably not be the best thing for nudism, but thanks to the INA being there and all the others to lead by example, maybe it won't be as bad as it coulda been.
I don't feel it would be prudent to ban R.Jeremy from the show or censor newscasts. His presence COULD have (but probably weren't) been used to contrast the naturist lifestyle with the reprehensible lifestyle of a pornographer.
I don't think people will associate Ron Jeremy with nudism anymore than they will Erik Estrada, Vanilla Ice or any of the other celebrites present. At least I hope so...

[Fresh Air]

My oppinion is that it's not the person per se'. I don't think a nudist resort should take the liberty to ban people for choices they made in the past (unless they were criminal).

I don't know how it was handled, but what I don't agree with is sex commercialism for money. If Ron Jermey was the center peice, then the reasons for the event and those who turn out...and why they came might be slightly askew.

While it ultimately is the choice of those who own Desert Inn, many may feel that nudism would be better represented if it did not make close ties to the porn industry.

Fresh Air

[Sundance36]

Quite frankly I didn't know who he was until pointed out. I think the majority of people out there dosen't either.

I've never heard of Ron Jeremy.

[TXK NUDE]

Jon-Marc, that's because you don't watch porn. Ron Jeremy is an adult porn star...or at least used to be. He's obviously gotten into a slump if he's on The Surreal Life. BTW, the only reason I know who he is is because I have a past that I'm not to proud of.

I got into porn magazines in my younger years, but I never saw any porn movies except for one X-rated movie my wife and I saw at a drive-in theater in Virginia in "73". The movie was very disappointing and boring.

[Croydon]

Although Ron J is no longer does porn, he is still a big part of the business. I believe he owns a production company and has a cool clothing line consisting of T-Shrits and such.

Back to the topic, I don't think Desert did anything wrong. To exclude Ron for what he does is wrong. As long as he intends to be respectful at the club, he shouldn't be turned away. What he does is his business and as long as heh isn't promoting that at the resort, then he should be welcome.

What I get from some of the comments in here is that those who may work in the adult industry shouldn't be allowed to be nudist. That is quite ignorant. So one of my closet friend is a stripper on weekends to pay off her college loans (she is a marketer by day). Alhough she isn't a nudist but it seems that some think she shouldn't be b/c of what she does for living.

Many of you often complain at fact that single men are not allowed in clubs and resorts and that is wrong...what do you think you are doing in this situation. The same reasoning that resort owners use to ban singles and the reasoning many call wrong is the same thing that is going on w/ Ron.

There is nothing wrong w/ porn. It's enjoyable by man. If that weren't true, then it wouldn't be a multi billion dollar industry.

I don't condone working as a porn star but if that is what the person does for a living, then that is his/her prerogative and shouldn't have to justify his/herself to anyone. Furthermore, that person should be welcome anywhere as long as he/she doesn't cause problems

[aunaturelone]

Any idea when it will be broadcast?

[soundman]

Surreal Life 2 will be in TV sometime in January.

Croydon cut it out, you are making too much sense again!