Marijuna Poll

[P.J.]

Here is a new piece of controversy to be thrown into the Clothes Free Foodfights...
Let's be civil to one another instead of throwing rocks at those who take the less-popular stand.

[nudebushwalker]

Mary jew wahna

mary jane
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Acapulco gold
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Dave? Dave's not here!

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[Journeyman]

PJ - Thought you'd be interested to see how friends and neighbors feel:

Marijuana Laws in Other Countries

Trafficking / Medical Use /Possession

Strong Laws:

Sweden Illegal / Illegal / Illegal
USA Illegal / Legal* / Illegal
UK Illegal / Illegal / Illegal**

Moderate Laws:

Canada Illegal / Legal / Illegal**
Australia Illegal / Legal / Decriminalized*
Germany Illegal / NA / Non-Prosecuted
Switzerland Illegal / NA / Non-Prosecuted**

Tolerant Laws:

Netherlands Illegal / Legal / Legal
Spain Illegal / Legal / Legal
Italy Illegal / Legal / Legal

* Only in some state jurisdictions.
** Currently under review by government and may be liberalized.

[Nude in the North]

No Way Man, I didn't know it grew on Polls.
Which Issue is it in? I gotta buy that issue.

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[Fuzzy Nuts]

I understand that my province (BC) has about the best grown pot available.

[Michjoe]

Just what is a "civil" foodfight?

[P.J.]

As much as I personally disapprove of the recreational use of marijuana, I highly (no pun intended) support the cause of allowing its use for medicinal purposes. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gif

Every hospice facility should have unlimited access to the highest quality uncut cannibus sativa. Terminally ill patients could enjoy better quality life in their last days. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/worried.gif

Before asking, "what about those who are not dying?" marijuana has been proven to be beneficial in the treatment other conditions, such as glaucoma. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gif

I admit that I smoked marijuana back in the early 1970's. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/freak.gif Although I do not enjoy the effects of marijuana, if given the choice of going blind from glaucoma or using marijuana, my choice definitely would not be blindness! (I'd probably ask for THC, which is the active ingredient, to be administered in pill or capsule form. I'm an ex-smoker.) http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

I wish that most of my fellow neocons along with other members of the RRR shared my views. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif

[P.J.]

Originally posted by Fuzzy Nuts:
I understand that my province (BC) has about the best grown pot available.


I thought that the best pot was grown in Mexico!
If you're talking about home-grown, maybe there is another form of inginuity that has been overlooked...and it's not the Yankee sort.
We must not undersestimate you Canadians.
All kidding aside, you are definitely good neighbors!

[Qikdraw]

Yeah, BC pot wins a fair amount of pot awards. When I lived in Vancouver I had a roommate that started to grow some in the basement. As they grew larger he got more and more paranoid the police were going to storm the house, so he threw them all away. Almost every roomate I've had has smoked pot, but I've only done it twice. Just wasn't for me.

Considering that pot is less harmful than alchohol I don't see the problem with it though.

Canadian government grown medicinal pot sucks though. Link (http://www.medicalmarihuana.ca/govtpot.html)

Qikdraw

[xgsft]

Drug laws are simply unconsitutional. Consitering the war on drugs *AKA prohibition II* is a dismal failure. Street gangs/drug cartels are raking in a huge amount funding and large amounts of the population still get the drugs they want.

Drop these unconsitutional laws, kill the funding to these horrible people, and let people do what they will to themselves. Just like the prohibition of alcohol, the "cure" to people being hooked on drugs is far worse than the disease!

[nakedjohn]

Never done, never will!! Drugs of course.

[nudenwv]

Originally posted by P.J.:
Here is a new piece of controversy to be thrown into the Clothes Free Foodfights...
Let's be civil to one another instead of throwing rocks at those who take the less-popular stand. i chose for medical purposes. i'm for anything that eases the pain and suffering of others. it should be directed under a doctors care only!

[usmc1]

I voted to legalize (well, I really mean decriminalize) and think it should be subject to the same controls as tobacco and alcohol.

I'd really like to see all of them heavily taxed into a fund dedicated to helping pay for the mental health problems, physical health problems, and societal ills and family dysfunctions wrought by drug, tobacco, and alcohol abuse and addictions.

Then we'd be going after the root cause of many of our problems instead of impotently ineffectual bleating about the symptoms.

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

I voted to legalize it.
I used to smoke it...alot! But then I quit the stuff. Not because of any job or lack thereof. I quit mainly because it was boring!
My friends and I would smoke a bowl or two and then all I wanted to do is veg out on the couch, scarfing down a bunch of munchies and check out the vids on MTV. (Notice how I start talking like it was still the 80's)

***So..like I was totally wasted on some Panama Red, scarfing down some nachos, when this totally bi*chin babe, with like these killer pair of bodacious ta-tas, started scammin on me.
I thought she was a real scrog monster but she was a total hose monster and*****

WHOA! FLASHBACK!

(Like fer sure, totally! Like gag me with a ...RUNNING CHAINSAW!!!

[Pete Knight]

Originally posted by usmc1:
I voted to legalize (well, I really mean decriminalize) and {EDIT} I'd really like to see all of them heavily taxed

That's it, the only way to reduce the popularity of anything, make it legal and tax it, that most certainly takes the fun out of it!


Pete Knight

[Qikdraw]

Legalise, (or decriminalise) regulate and tax it. Same with prostitution I think.

We are at war with both, but nothing changes, so we need to find new ways to deal with it and expend those police hours and money doing something else.

Qikdraw

[Pete Knight]

The lessons that America learned during alcohol prohibition seem to have been forgotten, you don't stop it, you just drive it underground where its harder to control.
On the subject of prostitution, a look around mainland Europe where it is largely legal and there are brothels, the working girls are regularly medically checked and issued a certificate without which they cannot work. In the United Kingdom the street girls are mostly junkies trying to earn money to feed their habit, they carry STD's and are unregulated, cause problems for residents and cost the legal system in the UK a lot of money.

Legalise it and control it.

For many its not the trip induced by the drug that is the attraction, its the thrill of doing something forbidden, so with legalised Marijuana the next step is to get their thrill with something else,...... Cocaine?

Pete Knight

[Naturist Mark]

I'd really like to see all of them heavily taxed into a fund dedicated to helping pay for the mental health problems, physical health problems, and societal ills and family dysfunctions wrought by drug, tobacco, and alcohol abuse and addictions.

Then we'd be going after the root cause of many of our problems instead of impotently ineffectual bleating about the symptoms.


What allows us, as human beings, to psychologically survive life on earth, with all of its pain, drama, and challenges, is a sense of purpose and meaning. Amen brother!

But dealing with the root causes of human misery is a long road that probably has no final destination. In the meantime we have to acknowledge the strong drive for self-medication. The legally and socially acceptable self medication drug is also just about the most damaging - alcohol. At least half of crime and public disorder, not to mention traffic accidents and emergency room visits are directly related to alcohol abuse. We'd have a much safer and certainly calmer nation if everyone switched to weed. Instead a large segment is switching to prescription anti-depressents - and the government is flirting with making that mandatory (http://www.newstarget.com/001688.html) - starting with school kids - neocon Soma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World). Still, the urge for self medication is a primary human drive, one that is both destructive and an easy means of social manipulation. Clearly until we are wise enough to eliminate the pain that drives the urge, we need a new drug. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJN8BIHgXTA)

[xgsft]

Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
we need a new drug. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJN8BIHgXTA)

...but, Heuy Lewis stoped making songs sometime ago!

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by usmc1:
I voted to legalize (well, I really mean decriminalize) and think it should be subject to the same controls as tobacco and alcohol.
This is what I would like to see as well.

A policy closer to what the Netherlands has would make a lot more sense than what we are currently doing.

[usmc1]

But, someone tell me please? At what point do we draw the line? Since we know that alcohol, pot and tobacco are harmful and addictive to a degree how should we deal with those drugs which are also harmful but perhaps to a greater degree: ecstasy, meth, crack, bennies, poppers, hash, heroin, and so on?

Decriminalize them all? Send the garbage trucks out each day to pick up the dead bodies?

Seriously, as national policy where should we draw the line? Do we really think the long-tern effects of pot, alcohol, and tobacco are any less than the quicker, more-pronounced effects of "heavier" drugs? Are there degrees of misery that we're willing to tolerate in the name of political or social expediency?

[Pete Knight]

But alcohol and all those drugs aren't harmful taken in controlled quantities, its the lack of control on the part of some people that is the problem.

I like a drink, I enjoy a drink, but I don't get fighting drunk!! Actually I do get drunk occasionally but I get really silly not aggressive as some people do, is it because the underlying aggression is already there and an excess of alcohol removes the self restraint these people held in place to make them appear decent when sober!

Drugs aren't a problem, people are a problem.

Pete Knight

[Boreas]

Alcohol is the biggest contributor to health problems. That is because it is legal. It causes a wide variety of health and social problems. Tobacco is also probably quite high.

Some can use marijuana in small doses and not have any health or social consequences. I believe it is more of a Russian roulette though. It can make some people (fairly rare) psychotic.

I am not advocating that alcohol be made illegal. It didn't work before, it would not work now. I am also not advocating making marijuana legal. Even with many years working in the addictions field, I am not sure where I stand on that.

Just adding some thoughts.

[missouriboy]

Originally posted by xgsft:
...the war on drugs *AKA prohibition II* is a dismal failure. Street gangs/drug cartels are raking in a huge amount funding and large amounts of the population still get the drugs they want.

Drop these unconsitutional laws, kill the funding to these horrible people, and let people do what they will to themselves. Just like the prohibition of alcohol, the "cure" to people being hooked on drugs is far worse than the disease! Failure? Depends on one's point of view. The longevity of the War on (Some) Drugs is insightfully explained in this Commentary (http://www.sobran.com/columns/2006/061128.shtml), written TEN YEARS ago.

Absorb the wisdom there, and you'll see why no solution is offered therein; when the problem is so truthfully defined, the solution becomes obvious.